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Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
May 08 2012 10:28 GMT
#1181
it took them 2 years to finally do this stuff. but OMG IM SO HAPPY THEY FINALLY DID IT!!! THEY LISTEN THEY LISTEN THEY LISTEN!!!!

thankyou blizzard. this is the best announcement you have made since the release of sc2 :D <3
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
May 08 2012 10:32 GMT
#1182
On May 08 2012 19:25 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 18:19 Peden wrote:
I wish they would make you able to pick specific matchups in "Unranked matchmaking", can't really break anything since its unranked right ?, and it would make it at great practice tool.
I personally don't play ladder to often, because I like to focus on one matchup at a time, and get good at it.


Yeah, was hoping for the same.

It would be an awesome practice tool if you could pick what race you want to face in unranked matches.

Wonder though how the randoms will practice


guess it depends on what you want, 1 hour wait time to practice or quick practice games. Either way since they are unranked, people will simply leave games till they have their map or their matchup, will be annoying as hell lol. Wonder how they are going to make sure this doesn't happen. Probably a cooldown of 10 minutes or so.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6163 Posts
May 08 2012 10:34 GMT
#1183
really good list of feature but I want to see it before getting to much excited.

Still, the unrank matching and view replay with others will be cool
n_n
imPermanenCe
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands595 Posts
May 08 2012 10:34 GMT
#1184
On May 08 2012 19:32 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 19:25 papaz wrote:
On May 08 2012 18:19 Peden wrote:
I wish they would make you able to pick specific matchups in "Unranked matchmaking", can't really break anything since its unranked right ?, and it would make it at great practice tool.
I personally don't play ladder to often, because I like to focus on one matchup at a time, and get good at it.


Yeah, was hoping for the same.

It would be an awesome practice tool if you could pick what race you want to face in unranked matches.

Wonder though how the randoms will practice


guess it depends on what you want, 1 hour wait time to practice or quick practice games. Either way since they are unranked, people will simply leave games till they have their map or their matchup, will be annoying as hell lol. Wonder how they are going to make sure this doesn't happen. Probably a cooldown of 10 minutes or so.

But then they are punishing cheesers how dare they!
This system will be a discrimination against idra too.
Micro at its best is like an elegant dance between two people trying to achieve a similar end.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
May 08 2012 10:39 GMT
#1185
On May 08 2012 19:32 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 19:25 papaz wrote:
On May 08 2012 18:19 Peden wrote:
I wish they would make you able to pick specific matchups in "Unranked matchmaking", can't really break anything since its unranked right ?, and it would make it at great practice tool.
I personally don't play ladder to often, because I like to focus on one matchup at a time, and get good at it.


Yeah, was hoping for the same.

It would be an awesome practice tool if you could pick what race you want to face in unranked matches.

Wonder though how the randoms will practice


guess it depends on what you want, 1 hour wait time to practice or quick practice games. Either way since they are unranked, people will simply leave games till they have their map or their matchup, will be annoying as hell lol. Wonder how they are going to make sure this doesn't happen. Probably a cooldown of 10 minutes or so.


Yeah I agree that it wouldn't be a good system if you sit there and wait for 10 minutes for a game to pop up. But then again, like you said I will leave the game instantly if it isn't the matchup I'm hoping for
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5498 Posts
May 08 2012 10:42 GMT
#1186
On May 08 2012 19:22 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 18:54 Rebel_ wrote:
On May 08 2012 18:48 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On May 08 2012 18:32 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Glad everyone is so excited about paying for things that should have been included in WoL or patched in for free.

Now i like to give Blizzard a hard time for a lot of things but that is just wrong. They have worked on WOL for 2 years now, from balance to engine improvements. Verry few companies do that, for free.


You must be confused... every company does patches for free. The only thing that companies charge for are add-ons (DLC's).... I have not see any company that charges for their own patches... If so, do tell.


Again, very few companies support their games as much as Blizz (bw, d2 for what? 10 years for free) Others support the games through things like DLC (DLC at lunch...WTF??) while most just give up on games after a few months or a year and release a "new" version that's basicaly the same with minor improvements. Just my opinion.


In what way did blizzard support BW in recent years, though? Having a couple of hacker ridden servers that only a few people still play on? Releasing patches that created new problems instead of fixing the existing ones? Threatening the Korean scene and making it abandon BW in the long run?

BW could do without such support.
Ancient-Hunter
Profile Joined June 2011
Korea (South)142 Posts
May 08 2012 10:46 GMT
#1187
Sounds GREAT, but I hate all this "at or around the release"

By blizzards standards "around" can mean anything from days to years
Let's fly!
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
May 08 2012 10:51 GMT
#1188
I am so happy see what happens when you listen to us blizzard! TY
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Peden
Profile Joined December 2009
Denmark27 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 10:53:42
May 08 2012 10:52 GMT
#1189
On May 08 2012 19:39 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 19:32 FeyFey wrote:
On May 08 2012 19:25 papaz wrote:
On May 08 2012 18:19 Peden wrote:
I wish they would make you able to pick specific matchups in "Unranked matchmaking", can't really break anything since its unranked right ?, and it would make it at great practice tool.
I personally don't play ladder to often, because I like to focus on one matchup at a time, and get good at it.


Yeah, was hoping for the same.

It would be an awesome practice tool if you could pick what race you want to face in unranked matches.

Wonder though how the randoms will practice


guess it depends on what you want, 1 hour wait time to practice or quick practice games. Either way since they are unranked, people will simply leave games till they have their map or their matchup, will be annoying as hell lol. Wonder how they are going to make sure this doesn't happen. Probably a cooldown of 10 minutes or so.


Yeah I agree that it wouldn't be a good system if you sit there and wait for 10 minutes for a game to pop up. But then again, like you said I will leave the game instantly if it isn't the matchup I'm hoping for


Better that than having to leave and join for 10 minutes to get you desired matchup ^^
EnSky
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines1003 Posts
May 08 2012 10:54 GMT
#1190
Wow! That is quite a list. I may have to buy HotS after all.
ticktack
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Arab Emirates874 Posts
May 08 2012 10:56 GMT
#1191
wow. what a list. I am just so happy :D. Global play is the huge thing. I myself have like 4 SC2 accounts across many servers and global play is just going to be really good for everyone.
A winner is just a loser who got pissed off and tried harder
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
May 08 2012 10:57 GMT
#1192
On May 08 2012 15:48 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 14:13 Seiniyta wrote:
On May 08 2012 12:24 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
On May 08 2012 12:18 Probulous wrote:
On May 08 2012 11:27 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
On May 08 2012 11:21 windsupernova wrote:
How dare Blizzard re add features Grrrrrr. Should have left Bnet as it is. Its almost like they realized they screwed up and are trying to correct their mistake it makes me soooo mad.

its not that we are mad that we will now have these features. its that blizzard intentionally left out basic functionalities that previous incarnations of a ~12 year old starcraft had [or other lesser RTS games] in order to readd them later to make more money. owning WoL feels like i bought an 2012 aston martin with a tape deck and roll down windows and its just frustrating


That's a pretty big call. It is also possible that Blizzard just had completely the wrong idea about what the community valued in the previous game and have been playing catch up since then. The improvements they have made since launch suggests the latter to me. Companies make mistakes and to just assume they do them on purpose is a tad extreme.

You're suggesting they intentionally sabotaged their major release product so as to provide old features during the expansion. What if WOL completely flopped? It's not impossible but I find it highly unlikely that they would do this on purpose.

admittedly its just my opinion. if, while designing the biggest and most anticipated rts sequel of all time, Multiplayer resume from replay, Global Play, Multilanguage support, Clan/group system, Unranked matchmaking and Multiplayer replay viewing seem like things that never crossed blizzards minds as things that could be added to sc2 [while most have existed in other, older, blizzard games with overwhelming positive feedback], or you believe that they believed the community would not enjoy then you are free to take the other side.


Contray to popular belief, despite the cash cow that's World of Warcraft Blizzard doesn't has an endless amounts of resources to work with when developing a game. I'm sure those things crossed Blizzard's mind during developement but their priority were elsewhere. The game engine, building the framework of battle.net 2.0, not only for SC2 but for World of Warcraft and Diablo 3. I think most of the work went into the game engine and made sure you can actually play it.

They also probably looked at Battle.net 1.0 and saw what people were actually using things for, they initially scrapped chat channels in battle.net 2.0 because they found that chat channels in the first one were dominated of spammers and the like which isn't ideal. It was a bad idea to remove chat channels but I can understand their thought process. They probably went over all the stuff and cut things that they thought would speed up developement time by quite a bit. (remember, SC2 was in developement for ages).

I also think that after WoW Blizzard kind of forgot that what works for a MMO doesn't always work for an RTS. (The lack of Global play) for example.

Although Blizzard made some terrible decisions not including some crucial things It's probably not because of some marketing scheme. They prefer had all that stuff at launch and for HoTs come with actual new exciting changes to Battle.net instead of these overdue things.


Yeh im sure there priorities were designing cool units like the collosus and the mauruders. Developing nice maps like steppes of war and incinetation zone, and making that facebook implementation stuff that nobody cares about, while having no clue what the community reallye wanted (really want chat channels?)



hahaha.... god I remember that facebook integration shit. I don't know ANYONE on sc2 or on fb who has actually used that. What useless garbage that was.

In a way though, looking back at early WOL and beta gives me some hope. What makes blizzard different from a lot of other game studios is that they continue supporting their products tenaciously even after the market is relatively saturated. Ignoring the upcoming features, blizzard has already taken WOL from an imbalanced pos well below average RTS to a really fun game and a legitimate e-sport.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
bogderpirat
Profile Joined April 2011
Jordan66 Posts
May 08 2012 10:58 GMT
#1193
where's ma lan support
if khaldor had boobs, i'd hit him
Otak
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom110 Posts
May 08 2012 10:59 GMT
#1194
I love how all the stuff they have now said that they will implement has been found or talked about here and they've taken notice. Before long they'll be adding mmr to our profiles
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
May 08 2012 10:59 GMT
#1195
On May 08 2012 19:32 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 19:25 papaz wrote:
On May 08 2012 18:19 Peden wrote:
I wish they would make you able to pick specific matchups in "Unranked matchmaking", can't really break anything since its unranked right ?, and it would make it at great practice tool.
I personally don't play ladder to often, because I like to focus on one matchup at a time, and get good at it.


Yeah, was hoping for the same.

It would be an awesome practice tool if you could pick what race you want to face in unranked matches.

Wonder though how the randoms will practice


guess it depends on what you want, 1 hour wait time to practice or quick practice games. Either way since they are unranked, people will simply leave games till they have their map or their matchup, will be annoying as hell lol. Wonder how they are going to make sure this doesn't happen. Probably a cooldown of 10 minutes or so.



Should definitely just make it searchable by matchup and map, there's a whole lot of reasons they should do it and not a whole lot why they wouldn't. As far as random players, they can play random on ranked ladder and practice 1 of their races at a time in unranked, won't be a huge deal for them as they need to play all 3 anyway.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
mell0w
Profile Joined September 2010
United States102 Posts
May 08 2012 11:01 GMT
#1196
Great additions in the works, but still nothing on improving chat functionality or creating a more dynamic UI.
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2576 Posts
May 08 2012 11:09 GMT
#1197
On the one hand, I love SC2 and these features will greatly improve the playing experience. On the other hand, I sort of feel like Blizzard is announcing the removal of the mandatory nipple clamps the game shipped with and we're thrilled because of how much less we're going to hurt now.
The frumious Bandersnatch
Sergio1992
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Italy522 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 11:25:30
May 08 2012 11:13 GMT
#1198
On May 08 2012 18:54 Rebel_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 18:48 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On May 08 2012 18:32 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Glad everyone is so excited about paying for things that should have been included in WoL or patched in for free.

Now i like to give Blizzard a hard time for a lot of things but that is just wrong. They have worked on WOL for 2 years now, from balance to engine improvements. Verry few companies do that, for free.


You must be confused... every company does patches for free. The only thing that companies charge for are add-ons (DLC's).... I have not see any company that charges for their own patches... If so, do tell.

Anyways, this is fucking awesome! Finally they have told the community what they will do for HoTS and it is what we all wanted. Browder said they could not add LAN due to the engine, so if you want LAN wait 4 years for LoV (it is not going to happen, but i hope lag will deteriorate in the coming years... and i think he said it when Catz was interviewing him last year).

Clan support and Unranked ladder is just damn great!

Can't wait for HoTS! Thank you blizzard for listening to what the community wants!

I'm not actually really sure I will buy Hots anytime soon, because Starcraft 2 is still a beta game,with all these functionalities lacking, the sad thing is that there are blind people that don't understand that even if in beta state it is sold as a complete game.
No wonders that blizzard became like that, wanna bet with me hots will be sold for 60€, not just as a mere expansion?
And blizzard fanboys will start saying "ehhhh that's a huge new game you are just a pathetic worthless piece of life if you don't see how good blizzard is on delivering us what we wanted". Yes, delivering a new game to complete a beta game.
And milking out people' wallet, and people still don't understand it, how fools they are, they just trust in Blizzard.....

I hope not to be the only one that is able to see what Blizzard is doing... Making games with half the features they should have to have people ready to buy the day one the expansion. Great marketing, nonetheless, because poeple still fall for it.

But I hope that when there will be an alternative to starcraft 2( if there will never be), I will be the first to abandon blizzard's ship


Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 11:22:42
May 08 2012 11:21 GMT
#1199
I'm not actually really sure I will buy Hots anytime soon, because Starcraft 2 is still a beta game,with all these functionalities lacking, the sad thing is that there are blind people that don't understand that even if in beta state it is sold as a complete game.


Really? You consider this a beta state?
Tell me, what other "complete" games are you playing and what beast of a software engineer you are to consider this a beta?

Some people act like every scrub developer could put out a game of this magnitude.
BNet doesn't have some features you want? Okay, what does this have to do with "beta" status?
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
May 08 2012 11:23 GMT
#1200
On May 08 2012 19:25 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 18:19 Peden wrote:
I wish they would make you able to pick specific matchups in "Unranked matchmaking", can't really break anything since its unranked right ?, and it would make it at great practice tool.
I personally don't play ladder to often, because I like to focus on one matchup at a time, and get good at it.


Yeah, was hoping for the same.

It would be an awesome practice tool if you could pick what race you want to face in unranked matches.

Wonder though how the randoms will practice

RvR for all eternity and become cheese-proof to all 3 (eventually revealed) races, with death-staring eyes and a hardened mind.

That or suicidal intent
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