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On May 08 2012 03:19 Grend wrote:
Good thing this thread showed up, can't not have a thread where people fight back and forth about one incident of slight racism blown out of all reasonable proportions.
Good thing your comment showed up, can't not have a thread without the comments that add nothing to the discussion and are there just to show how "smart" the commenter is ;D
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Racism is empty, and becomes something when you make something of it.
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On May 08 2012 03:23 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:21 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 03:03 Govou wrote:On May 08 2012 02:56 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:50 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:46 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:44 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:35 Dosey wrote:
Then why not contact Quantic, let them know about the issue and in the message you can put your threat (because we all know you like to feel important with your threats) that if you don't see some sort of response you WILL go to the sponsor and force their hand? Wouldn't that be just as effective?
How is it that this has devolved from an actual discussion, to the whistle blowers going into semantics of the wording used by the OP...?
Guess they have to get their win in one way or another. Stop with the strawman arguments. Not all people who complain do it to "feel important". And Lol Whistle blowers? Really? All I see you is using strawman arguments. Then why even go to the sponsor? Why not do as I suggested? Why defend your "right" to go to the sponsor? Because going to the sponsor is the only real way we have to really pressure a team over an issue? So the threat to report them to a sponsor wouldn't work? How so? They obviously know you are serious. Fact is, if it is solved internally after your initial threat, there is no major backlash and you dont feel the importance that you feel now. All eyes are on you and your ilk because you had a hand in the current incident. You now feel important. If you send a quiet e-mail to quantic about Destiny and he is barred from the next event and doesnt stream for a month... people just assume he went MIA. You can't come to the forums and announce "IT WAS ME MUAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH I SHUT DOWN THAT IGNORANT PRICK I DID IT IT WAS MEEEEEEEEE" your whole argument is wrong because you believe people do this to feel they are important. please try again Then at least try to answer the simple question I have asked multiple times with no valid answer. Why not report it to the team with your threats and demand a response? Why go directly to the sponsors? And for the one who said "How do you know that we didn't go to the team first?" Are you blind? The proof is everywhere. eG was BLINDSIDED by this and that is fact. The quantic manager himself has posted in this thread stating they should have came to him first and not gone to the sponsors. Another situation proving they went around the team directly toward the sponsor. why didnt I answer? I think you forgot to read the actual thread because I have already answered your question multiple times. I'm sorry but I dont feel the need to type them up again for you.
The only thing you have said in retort is that I am wrong to assume that all someone wants by creating a situation like this is notoriety. You have yet to provide a valid reason as to why they should go directly to the sponsor rather than have it handled in house quietly with quiet threats.
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On May 08 2012 03:21 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:03 Govou wrote:On May 08 2012 02:56 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:50 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:46 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:44 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:35 Dosey wrote:
Then why not contact Quantic, let them know about the issue and in the message you can put your threat (because we all know you like to feel important with your threats) that if you don't see some sort of response you WILL go to the sponsor and force their hand? Wouldn't that be just as effective?
How is it that this has devolved from an actual discussion, to the whistle blowers going into semantics of the wording used by the OP...?
Guess they have to get their win in one way or another. Stop with the strawman arguments. Not all people who complain do it to "feel important". And Lol Whistle blowers? Really? All I see you is using strawman arguments. Then why even go to the sponsor? Why not do as I suggested? Why defend your "right" to go to the sponsor? Because going to the sponsor is the only real way we have to really pressure a team over an issue? So the threat to report them to a sponsor wouldn't work? How so? They obviously know you are serious. Fact is, if it is solved internally after your initial threat, there is no major backlash and you dont feel the importance that you feel now. All eyes are on you and your ilk because you had a hand in the current incident. You now feel important. If you send a quiet e-mail to quantic about Destiny and he is barred from the next event and doesnt stream for a month... people just assume he went MIA. You can't come to the forums and announce "IT WAS ME MUAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH I SHUT DOWN THAT IGNORANT PRICK I DID IT IT WAS MEEEEEEEEE" your whole argument is wrong because you believe people do this to feel they are important. please try again Then at least try to answer the simple question I have asked multiple times with no valid answer. Why not report it to the team with your threats and demand a response? Why go directly to the sponsors? And for the one who said "How do you know that we didn't go to the team first?" Are you blind? The proof is everywhere. eG was BLINDSIDED by this and that is fact. The quantic manager himself has posted in this thread stating they should have came to him first and not gone to the sponsors. Another situation proving they went around the team directly toward the sponsor.
Because sponsors are the ones that are directly paying them. Also, this helps to make sure teams be more careful in the future when picking players; shouldn't simply pick players just because they are popular, as some of the popularity could of came from being infamous.
Either way, the people had every rights to do so.
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On May 08 2012 03:24 Ruski wrote:
Racism is empty, and becomes something when you make something of it.
More South Park logic. Life is just so simple guys, GOD, why can't you just see the world like ME?!?
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On May 08 2012 03:25 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:23 Govou wrote:On May 08 2012 03:21 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 03:03 Govou wrote:On May 08 2012 02:56 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:50 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:46 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:44 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:35 Dosey wrote:
Then why not contact Quantic, let them know about the issue and in the message you can put your threat (because we all know you like to feel important with your threats) that if you don't see some sort of response you WILL go to the sponsor and force their hand? Wouldn't that be just as effective?
How is it that this has devolved from an actual discussion, to the whistle blowers going into semantics of the wording used by the OP...?
Guess they have to get their win in one way or another. Stop with the strawman arguments. Not all people who complain do it to "feel important". And Lol Whistle blowers? Really? All I see you is using strawman arguments. Then why even go to the sponsor? Why not do as I suggested? Why defend your "right" to go to the sponsor? Because going to the sponsor is the only real way we have to really pressure a team over an issue? So the threat to report them to a sponsor wouldn't work? How so? They obviously know you are serious. Fact is, if it is solved internally after your initial threat, there is no major backlash and you dont feel the importance that you feel now. All eyes are on you and your ilk because you had a hand in the current incident. You now feel important. If you send a quiet e-mail to quantic about Destiny and he is barred from the next event and doesnt stream for a month... people just assume he went MIA. You can't come to the forums and announce "IT WAS ME MUAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH I SHUT DOWN THAT IGNORANT PRICK I DID IT IT WAS MEEEEEEEEE" your whole argument is wrong because you believe people do this to feel they are important. please try again Then at least try to answer the simple question I have asked multiple times with no valid answer. Why not report it to the team with your threats and demand a response? Why go directly to the sponsors? And for the one who said "How do you know that we didn't go to the team first?" Are you blind? The proof is everywhere. eG was BLINDSIDED by this and that is fact. The quantic manager himself has posted in this thread stating they should have came to him first and not gone to the sponsors. Another situation proving they went around the team directly toward the sponsor. why didnt I answer? I think you forgot to read the actual thread because I have already answered your question multiple times. I'm sorry but I dont feel the need to type them up again for you. The only thing you have said in retort is that I am wrong to assume that all someone wants by creating a situation like this is notoriety. You have yet to provide a valid reason as to why they should go directly to the sponsor rather than have it handled in house quietly with quiet threats.
you haven't looked further enough
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On May 08 2012 03:26 HorsemasterK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:24 Ruski wrote:
Racism is empty, and becomes something when you make something of it. More South Park logic. Life is just so simple guys, GOD, why can't you just see the world like ME?!?
Hey guys,something is only an issue if you pay attention to it!
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On May 08 2012 03:26 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:21 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 03:03 Govou wrote:On May 08 2012 02:56 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:50 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:46 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:44 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:35 Dosey wrote:
Then why not contact Quantic, let them know about the issue and in the message you can put your threat (because we all know you like to feel important with your threats) that if you don't see some sort of response you WILL go to the sponsor and force their hand? Wouldn't that be just as effective?
How is it that this has devolved from an actual discussion, to the whistle blowers going into semantics of the wording used by the OP...?
Guess they have to get their win in one way or another. Stop with the strawman arguments. Not all people who complain do it to "feel important". And Lol Whistle blowers? Really? All I see you is using strawman arguments. Then why even go to the sponsor? Why not do as I suggested? Why defend your "right" to go to the sponsor? Because going to the sponsor is the only real way we have to really pressure a team over an issue? So the threat to report them to a sponsor wouldn't work? How so? They obviously know you are serious. Fact is, if it is solved internally after your initial threat, there is no major backlash and you dont feel the importance that you feel now. All eyes are on you and your ilk because you had a hand in the current incident. You now feel important. If you send a quiet e-mail to quantic about Destiny and he is barred from the next event and doesnt stream for a month... people just assume he went MIA. You can't come to the forums and announce "IT WAS ME MUAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH I SHUT DOWN THAT IGNORANT PRICK I DID IT IT WAS MEEEEEEEEE" your whole argument is wrong because you believe people do this to feel they are important. please try again Then at least try to answer the simple question I have asked multiple times with no valid answer. Why not report it to the team with your threats and demand a response? Why go directly to the sponsors? And for the one who said "How do you know that we didn't go to the team first?" Are you blind? The proof is everywhere. eG was BLINDSIDED by this and that is fact. The quantic manager himself has posted in this thread stating they should have came to him first and not gone to the sponsors. Another situation proving they went around the team directly toward the sponsor. Because sponsors are the ones that are directly paying them. Also, this helps to make sure teams be more careful in the future when picking players; shouldn't simply pick players just because they are popular, as some of the popularity could of came from being infamous. Either way, the people had every rights to do so.
So it boils down to the fact that you didn't want such a person employed. You wanted his career ended because he is such a racist piece of shit? You wanted to teach their team a lesson by putting the entire team at risk for one persons mistake? "They lose their livelihood if they dont comply, THAT oughta teach them!!!"
Makes sense :roll:
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On May 08 2012 03:25 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:23 Govou wrote:On May 08 2012 03:21 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 03:03 Govou wrote:On May 08 2012 02:56 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:50 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:46 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:44 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:35 Dosey wrote:
Then why not contact Quantic, let them know about the issue and in the message you can put your threat (because we all know you like to feel important with your threats) that if you don't see some sort of response you WILL go to the sponsor and force their hand? Wouldn't that be just as effective?
How is it that this has devolved from an actual discussion, to the whistle blowers going into semantics of the wording used by the OP...?
Guess they have to get their win in one way or another. Stop with the strawman arguments. Not all people who complain do it to "feel important". And Lol Whistle blowers? Really? All I see you is using strawman arguments. Then why even go to the sponsor? Why not do as I suggested? Why defend your "right" to go to the sponsor? Because going to the sponsor is the only real way we have to really pressure a team over an issue? So the threat to report them to a sponsor wouldn't work? How so? They obviously know you are serious. Fact is, if it is solved internally after your initial threat, there is no major backlash and you dont feel the importance that you feel now. All eyes are on you and your ilk because you had a hand in the current incident. You now feel important. If you send a quiet e-mail to quantic about Destiny and he is barred from the next event and doesnt stream for a month... people just assume he went MIA. You can't come to the forums and announce "IT WAS ME MUAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH I SHUT DOWN THAT IGNORANT PRICK I DID IT IT WAS MEEEEEEEEE" your whole argument is wrong because you believe people do this to feel they are important. please try again Then at least try to answer the simple question I have asked multiple times with no valid answer. Why not report it to the team with your threats and demand a response? Why go directly to the sponsors? And for the one who said "How do you know that we didn't go to the team first?" Are you blind? The proof is everywhere. eG was BLINDSIDED by this and that is fact. The quantic manager himself has posted in this thread stating they should have came to him first and not gone to the sponsors. Another situation proving they went around the team directly toward the sponsor. why didnt I answer? I think you forgot to read the actual thread because I have already answered your question multiple times. I'm sorry but I dont feel the need to type them up again for you. The only thing you have said in retort is that I am wrong to assume that all someone wants by creating a situation like this is notoriety. You have yet to provide a valid reason as to why they should go directly to the sponsor rather than have it handled in house quietly with quiet threats.
Ok I'll go really slowly:
*orb says racist things*
*People notice*
*orb lies about it*
*EG doesn't respond*
Who is next in the chain of command?
*Sponsors*
* Destiny says racist things*
*people complain*
* Destiny says he doesn't care*
*Quantic doesn't respond*
Who is the next in the chain of command?
*Sponsors*
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On May 08 2012 03:29 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:26 Fubi wrote:On May 08 2012 03:21 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 03:03 Govou wrote:On May 08 2012 02:56 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:50 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:46 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:44 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:35 Dosey wrote:
Then why not contact Quantic, let them know about the issue and in the message you can put your threat (because we all know you like to feel important with your threats) that if you don't see some sort of response you WILL go to the sponsor and force their hand? Wouldn't that be just as effective?
How is it that this has devolved from an actual discussion, to the whistle blowers going into semantics of the wording used by the OP...?
Guess they have to get their win in one way or another. Stop with the strawman arguments. Not all people who complain do it to "feel important". And Lol Whistle blowers? Really? All I see you is using strawman arguments. Then why even go to the sponsor? Why not do as I suggested? Why defend your "right" to go to the sponsor? Because going to the sponsor is the only real way we have to really pressure a team over an issue? So the threat to report them to a sponsor wouldn't work? How so? They obviously know you are serious. Fact is, if it is solved internally after your initial threat, there is no major backlash and you dont feel the importance that you feel now. All eyes are on you and your ilk because you had a hand in the current incident. You now feel important. If you send a quiet e-mail to quantic about Destiny and he is barred from the next event and doesnt stream for a month... people just assume he went MIA. You can't come to the forums and announce "IT WAS ME MUAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH I SHUT DOWN THAT IGNORANT PRICK I DID IT IT WAS MEEEEEEEEE" your whole argument is wrong because you believe people do this to feel they are important. please try again Then at least try to answer the simple question I have asked multiple times with no valid answer. Why not report it to the team with your threats and demand a response? Why go directly to the sponsors? And for the one who said "How do you know that we didn't go to the team first?" Are you blind? The proof is everywhere. eG was BLINDSIDED by this and that is fact. The quantic manager himself has posted in this thread stating they should have came to him first and not gone to the sponsors. Another situation proving they went around the team directly toward the sponsor. Because sponsors are the ones that are directly paying them. Also, this helps to make sure teams be more careful in the future when picking players; shouldn't simply pick players just because they are popular, as some of the popularity could of came from being infamous. Either way, the people had every rights to do so. So it boils down to the fact that you didn't want such a person employed. You wanted his career ended because he is such a racist piece of shit? You wanted to teach their team a lesson by putting the entire team at risk for one persons mistake? "They lose their livelihood if they dont comply, THAT oughta teach them!!!" Makes sense :roll:
you may find it hard to believe. But people lose jobs over matter such as this in real life.
Not by people who is set on destroying someone's career but because such behaviour is just unaccepted in real life.
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Naniwa's case went too far.
Orb's case went too far.
Destiny's case was proper.
In the first two, the team was not contacted. In the third, it was. If a team chooses not to listen to the fans, then they can go to the sponsors instead. This was not a case of immediate contact with the sponsors, Quantic chose to ignore the complaints about Destiny's behaviour, and thus, their sponsors got involved.
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On May 08 2012 03:22 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:18 dsousa wrote:On May 07 2012 20:20 Deimos0 wrote:
That's the point - racism in any form isn't acceptable, so why should we act like nothing happened? Racism... in any form..... I guess you just need an arbiter to decide whats racism and what isn't. That's the problem. the arbiter is the weakness in your plan. Freedom is the better option. No biased arbiter, you control what you watch and accept as true. The arbiter in this case is the sponsors. They looked at what has been reported to them and deemed it unacceptable. Feel free to complain to them.
I'm not complaining, but TL was the one that stepped in first and banned Destiny. Before the Quantic news and before the sponsor news.
So, I'm saying, TL stepped in first as the arbiter.
TL is also where the news was posted.
I don't think they made a bad call, I'm just saying, I hope that power is wielded "fairly" and I hope its not going to be used too often.
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On May 08 2012 03:29 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:26 Fubi wrote:On May 08 2012 03:21 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 03:03 Govou wrote:On May 08 2012 02:56 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:50 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:46 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:44 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:35 Dosey wrote:
Then why not contact Quantic, let them know about the issue and in the message you can put your threat (because we all know you like to feel important with your threats) that if you don't see some sort of response you WILL go to the sponsor and force their hand? Wouldn't that be just as effective?
How is it that this has devolved from an actual discussion, to the whistle blowers going into semantics of the wording used by the OP...?
Guess they have to get their win in one way or another. Stop with the strawman arguments. Not all people who complain do it to "feel important". And Lol Whistle blowers? Really? All I see you is using strawman arguments. Then why even go to the sponsor? Why not do as I suggested? Why defend your "right" to go to the sponsor? Because going to the sponsor is the only real way we have to really pressure a team over an issue? So the threat to report them to a sponsor wouldn't work? How so? They obviously know you are serious. Fact is, if it is solved internally after your initial threat, there is no major backlash and you dont feel the importance that you feel now. All eyes are on you and your ilk because you had a hand in the current incident. You now feel important. If you send a quiet e-mail to quantic about Destiny and he is barred from the next event and doesnt stream for a month... people just assume he went MIA. You can't come to the forums and announce "IT WAS ME MUAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH I SHUT DOWN THAT IGNORANT PRICK I DID IT IT WAS MEEEEEEEEE" your whole argument is wrong because you believe people do this to feel they are important. please try again Then at least try to answer the simple question I have asked multiple times with no valid answer. Why not report it to the team with your threats and demand a response? Why go directly to the sponsors? And for the one who said "How do you know that we didn't go to the team first?" Are you blind? The proof is everywhere. eG was BLINDSIDED by this and that is fact. The quantic manager himself has posted in this thread stating they should have came to him first and not gone to the sponsors. Another situation proving they went around the team directly toward the sponsor. Because sponsors are the ones that are directly paying them. Also, this helps to make sure teams be more careful in the future when picking players; shouldn't simply pick players just because they are popular, as some of the popularity could of came from being infamous. Either way, the people had every rights to do so. So it boils down to the fact that you didn't want such a person employed. You wanted his career ended because he is such a racist piece of shit? You wanted to teach their team a lesson by putting the entire team at risk for one persons mistake? "They lose their livelihood if they dont comply, THAT oughta teach them!!!" Makes sense :roll:
I don't think anybody wanted for the sponsors to stop sponsoring?
And even if they did that its the teams fault for not doing anything until its too late.
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On May 08 2012 03:32 Terrafros wrote:
Naniwa's case went too far.
Orb's case went too far.
Destiny's case was proper.
In the first two, the team was not contacted. In the third, it was. If a team chooses not to listen to the fans, then they can go to the sponsors instead. This was not a case of immediate contact with the sponsors, Quantic chose to ignore the complaints about Destiny's behaviour, and thus, their sponsors got involved.
What? If anything Orbs case was fair too hell at least Destiny was honest about the whole affair. Orb lied to everybody.
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Were slowly all becoming robots stop feeling things
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On May 08 2012 03:31 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:29 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 03:26 Fubi wrote:On May 08 2012 03:21 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 03:03 Govou wrote:On May 08 2012 02:56 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:50 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:46 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:44 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:35 Dosey wrote:
Then why not contact Quantic, let them know about the issue and in the message you can put your threat (because we all know you like to feel important with your threats) that if you don't see some sort of response you WILL go to the sponsor and force their hand? Wouldn't that be just as effective?
How is it that this has devolved from an actual discussion, to the whistle blowers going into semantics of the wording used by the OP...?
Guess they have to get their win in one way or another. Stop with the strawman arguments. Not all people who complain do it to "feel important". And Lol Whistle blowers? Really? All I see you is using strawman arguments. Then why even go to the sponsor? Why not do as I suggested? Why defend your "right" to go to the sponsor? Because going to the sponsor is the only real way we have to really pressure a team over an issue? So the threat to report them to a sponsor wouldn't work? How so? They obviously know you are serious. Fact is, if it is solved internally after your initial threat, there is no major backlash and you dont feel the importance that you feel now. All eyes are on you and your ilk because you had a hand in the current incident. You now feel important. If you send a quiet e-mail to quantic about Destiny and he is barred from the next event and doesnt stream for a month... people just assume he went MIA. You can't come to the forums and announce "IT WAS ME MUAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH I SHUT DOWN THAT IGNORANT PRICK I DID IT IT WAS MEEEEEEEEE" your whole argument is wrong because you believe people do this to feel they are important. please try again Then at least try to answer the simple question I have asked multiple times with no valid answer. Why not report it to the team with your threats and demand a response? Why go directly to the sponsors? And for the one who said "How do you know that we didn't go to the team first?" Are you blind? The proof is everywhere. eG was BLINDSIDED by this and that is fact. The quantic manager himself has posted in this thread stating they should have came to him first and not gone to the sponsors. Another situation proving they went around the team directly toward the sponsor. Because sponsors are the ones that are directly paying them. Also, this helps to make sure teams be more careful in the future when picking players; shouldn't simply pick players just because they are popular, as some of the popularity could of came from being infamous. Either way, the people had every rights to do so. So it boils down to the fact that you didn't want such a person employed. You wanted his career ended because he is such a racist piece of shit? You wanted to teach their team a lesson by putting the entire team at risk for one persons mistake? "They lose their livelihood if they dont comply, THAT oughta teach them!!!" Makes sense :roll: you may find it hard to believe. But people lose jobs over matter such as this in real life. Not by people who is set on destroying someone's career but because such behaviour is just unaccepted in real life.
Real life is all about whether or not you like someone, and if you dont, take away their livelihood and the livelihood everyone related to them?
WTF is this? An extremist mob family?
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On May 08 2012 01:21 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 00:04 Insurrectionist wrote:
Of course it's okay. It's not like the Orb situation where the relevant team might not have known that such language has been thrown around by the player in question (and indeed was used again). Some people care more about the use of slurs and casual racism than they do about e-sports, and for them the fact that Quantic signed Destiny at all after his previous controversies as well as refusing to distance himself from such language would be more than enough to lose faith in and goodwill towards Quantic. The team reaped what they sowed, it's all well and good to say they wanted the player not the personality, but at the end of the day this is simply semantics - they were still supporting Destiny while knowing all about the language he has been comfortable using. Supporting him at all indicates they don't particularly care about his language/slurs only what it might do to their image - and so when a situation such as this arises, you cannot blame people for bypassing Quantic and going straight to the sponsors. Indeed I personally think it's a very effective strategy - it sends a message out to teams that if they're willing to take on players who uses such language and is not apologetic about it, they're taking a big risk. For comparison, I'd say Orb's use of language was fairly obscure prior to it blowing up, so EG being ignorant about it (especially since they had a less close relationship) would be understandable and they should IMO have the opportunity to react before sponsors were contacted. Quantic relinquished this opportunity when they signed someone with Destiny's reputation. And since you and like-minded posters were so morally outraged when Quantic signed such a player, you emailed Razer right when they signed him, right? After all you knew at that point that Quantic knew about Destiny's behavior but signed him anyway. What's that, you waited until some drama got stirred up on the forum to email Razer? You let the incredible injustice of Quantic signing destiny go unpunished for months? Why weren't you watching Destiny's stream months ago and take screenshots and audio clips in order to fight for racial equality?
Because I didn't bother going to the effort. I didn't mail anyone when he was signed just like I didn't mail anyone when this came up, because frankly I don't care enough about Destiny or SC2 or e-sports to bother doing it (I'm pretty lazy). So with that out of the way, let's focus on how your post is a giant fallacy!
First of all, blaming the people who react for not doing so previously is dumb as hell. It's not anyone's responsibility to react to something like this, but it is their right. Whether they choose to exercise that right can depend on countless variables; whether or not they're aware of it in the first place, whether they care or not (some people may have changed their opinions between him being signed and this situation), hell, whether they could be bothered that day. I know for sure that a few people who don't follow SC2 at all, but heard about the Destiny thing, sent mails to Razer because they were disgusted that a company they'd supported would sponsor someone using such language, for example. All of these and more are entirely valid reasons for having chosen to do now what they did not do before. Certainly the blow-up did have an effect, but I believe it's more one of visibility than some sort of group-think. Your post assumes both action and intent, which is terrible rhetoric.
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On May 08 2012 03:35 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:31 Govou wrote:On May 08 2012 03:29 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 03:26 Fubi wrote:On May 08 2012 03:21 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 03:03 Govou wrote:On May 08 2012 02:56 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:50 windsupernova wrote:On May 08 2012 02:46 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2012 02:44 windsupernova wrote:
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Stop with the strawman arguments. Not all people who complain do it to "feel important". And Lol Whistle blowers? Really?
All I see you is using strawman arguments. Then why even go to the sponsor? Why not do as I suggested? Why defend your "right" to go to the sponsor? Because going to the sponsor is the only real way we have to really pressure a team over an issue? So the threat to report them to a sponsor wouldn't work? How so? They obviously know you are serious. Fact is, if it is solved internally after your initial threat, there is no major backlash and you dont feel the importance that you feel now. All eyes are on you and your ilk because you had a hand in the current incident. You now feel important. If you send a quiet e-mail to quantic about Destiny and he is barred from the next event and doesnt stream for a month... people just assume he went MIA. You can't come to the forums and announce "IT WAS ME MUAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH I SHUT DOWN THAT IGNORANT PRICK I DID IT IT WAS MEEEEEEEEE" your whole argument is wrong because you believe people do this to feel they are important. please try again Then at least try to answer the simple question I have asked multiple times with no valid answer. Why not report it to the team with your threats and demand a response? Why go directly to the sponsors? And for the one who said "How do you know that we didn't go to the team first?" Are you blind? The proof is everywhere. eG was BLINDSIDED by this and that is fact. The quantic manager himself has posted in this thread stating they should have came to him first and not gone to the sponsors. Another situation proving they went around the team directly toward the sponsor. Because sponsors are the ones that are directly paying them. Also, this helps to make sure teams be more careful in the future when picking players; shouldn't simply pick players just because they are popular, as some of the popularity could of came from being infamous. Either way, the people had every rights to do so. So it boils down to the fact that you didn't want such a person employed. You wanted his career ended because he is such a racist piece of shit? You wanted to teach their team a lesson by putting the entire team at risk for one persons mistake? "They lose their livelihood if they dont comply, THAT oughta teach them!!!" Makes sense :roll: you may find it hard to believe. But people lose jobs over matter such as this in real life. Not by people who is set on destroying someone's career but because such behaviour is just unaccepted in real life. Real life is all about whether or not you like someone, and if you dont, take away their livelihood and the livelihood everyone related to them? WTF is this? An extremist mob family?
I dont know how you got to that because that's exact opposite of what I said.
though I wouldnt say things like that never occurs in real life.
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On May 08 2012 03:32 Terrafros wrote:
Naniwa's case went too far.
Orb's case went too far.
Destiny's case was proper.
In the first two, the team was not contacted. In the third, it was. If a team chooses not to listen to the fans, then they can go to the sponsors instead. This was not a case of immediate contact with the sponsors, Quantic chose to ignore the complaints about Destiny's behaviour, and thus, their sponsors got involved.
A lot of people keep saying that quantic did nothing, the whole ordeal happened over the course of 3 days max. And you can bet people didnt wait to e-mail sponsors in the first place. I feel like if you really feel the need to pitchfork you should at least give the team a week or even 5 days. The team cant instantly fire someone they have to decide if it is justified or not.
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Nice edit, real ninja work there Govou
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