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MinistryOfWin
Poland87 Posts
Full press release: http://ministryofwin.com/press/Game_Zone_Ltd_MoW_Press_Release_30042012.pdf Website: http://www.ministryofwin.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/MinistryofWin Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/ministryofwin Skype: ministryofwin | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8304 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
Full time driver - Damn, where do I sign up?  | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Also, interesting~ | ||
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Fanek
Poland344 Posts
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Gluon
Netherlands392 Posts
Good luck! | ||
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44334 Posts
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Gluon
Netherlands392 Posts
"More visits unlocks extra content. Spread the word across the world! Number of visits so far: 21 - next unlock over 1000." Quickly now, visit! | ||
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
Good luck to you! ( read the press release if you want to know more, it has most of the important information) | ||
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Shanedon
United States147 Posts
On May 01 2012 03:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I appreciate the rotational symmetry of your MoW icon. I was thinking the same exact thing! Cool logo, hope all goes well! | ||
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goldendwarf
Canada170 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
On May 01 2012 03:42 howLiN wrote: Is this related to that team house where DieStar, sYz, Orly etc, were? yes | ||
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Taktik
Poland680 Posts
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
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Sanz
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hxd
United Kingdom117 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
I'm pretty sure not even KT Rolster has this much Luxury. | ||
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Kotara
Poland27 Posts
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Mufugufu
Poland1 Post
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DaNom
Poland144 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
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theplagueman
United Kingdom32 Posts
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Matiz_pl
Poland163 Posts
On May 01 2012 04:26 theplagueman wrote: How exactly would I go able enlisting in this ministry of win? For example message us on skype which is posted in OP. | ||
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
On May 01 2012 04:12 DaNom wrote: Amazing news, really hope it will work out, who are the players? Not announced yet. I'd imagine they will release them once everyone is confirmed. | ||
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vinsky
Poland48 Posts
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
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Matiz_pl
Poland163 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4729 Posts
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Sabre
United Kingdom1086 Posts
On May 01 2012 03:57 Shinespark wrote: This house will have a private gym and sauna? wow I'm pretty sure not even KT Rolster has this much Luxury. Oh man, that was a pretty good pun haha. Sounds awesome, gl to all players who are fortunate enough to live there | ||
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Czarnodziej
Poland624 Posts
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rafaliusz
Poland482 Posts
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Matiz_pl
Poland163 Posts
On May 01 2012 06:02 Nerchio wrote: It looks more professional that i thought it will be, interested in how it turns out but pro houses are not suitable for me so i guess other players will make use of it ^^ gogo come here i will coach you how to play (for those that dont know that we know each other pretty well :this is obviously trolling xd) | ||
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ThatGuyDoMo
Australia516 Posts
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
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Wilko
Germany470 Posts
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
I would go to improve my Polish too, I haven't spoken it in a long time. | ||
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MinistryOfWin
Poland87 Posts
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Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
Foreigners fiiiiiighting! | ||
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
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spancho
United States161 Posts
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
Also, kudos to you for providing an enhanced condition of living. | ||
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MinistryOfWin
Poland87 Posts
On May 01 2012 10:58 dacimvrl wrote: this is fairly interesting, but yeh, who is "we"? Also, kudos to you for providing an enhanced condition of living. Everything is in the full press release. | ||
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Exil
Poland88 Posts
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
Let me in?! | ||
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Westy
England808 Posts
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
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Westy
England808 Posts
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
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Hoodlum
United States350 Posts
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JamesBourne
Poland27 Posts
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Westy
England808 Posts
On May 01 2012 16:14 scypio wrote: I wonder if this is the first pro gaming house in Europe, or Central Europe at least? Pretty sure there are other pro gaming houses. I know its certainly not the first. | ||
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MinistryOfWin
Poland87 Posts
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
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Hetairoi
Sweden508 Posts
On May 01 2012 16:14 scypio wrote: I wonder if this is the first pro gaming house in Europe, or Central Europe at least? Millenium has a house in France, and their is another one in Stockholm as well. It will be one of the first however. | ||
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Tidus Mino
United Kingdom1108 Posts
On May 01 2012 19:12 Hetairoi wrote: Millenium has a house in France, and their is another one in Stockholm as well. It will be one of the first however. Millenium in France, Dignitas in England, Type in Germany, NrS in Romania pretty sure i've missed a couple | ||
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Westy
England808 Posts
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MinistryOfWin
Poland87 Posts
That put aside, we are first prohouse in Central Europe, yes. | ||
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Tidus Mino
United Kingdom1108 Posts
On May 01 2012 19:37 Westy wrote: I am curious on how you are letting people into the house. Is it invitation only? Are you accept applications? Are you you going to be charging people to stay there? They accepted applications for people who were willing to pay the rent | ||
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Gluon
Netherlands392 Posts
On May 01 2012 19:41 MinistryOfWin wrote: That is not true. We are first such initiative in Europe - please do notice that we are not a teamhouse, but more of a training centre remaining open to players from all over the world. We represent a brand new business model, where the players pay the fees themselves. We are not as selective as teamhouses are when in comes to potential house denizens - we are ready to work with any skilled SC2 player and improve his skills greatly while he stays in our house. That put aside, we are first prohouse in Central Europe, yes. Ah I see, you mean anyone can register and live there to improve, regardless of previous skill or team. Didn't quite understand it like that, even after reading through all of the info on the website. But that's probably mainly because we're not used to this concept yet, but perhaps it would pay off to be more explicit like in this post of yours? | ||
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Westy
England808 Posts
On May 01 2012 19:41 MinistryOfWin wrote: That is not true. We are first such initiative in Europe - please do notice that we are not a teamhouse, but more of a training centre remaining open to players from all over the world. We represent a brand new business model, where the players pay the fees themselves. We are not as selective as teamhouses are when in comes to potential house denizens - we are ready to work with any skilled SC2 player and improve his skills greatly while he stays in our house. That put aside, we are first prohouse in Central Europe, yes. How much would you be charging people? Surprised you have not mentioned that already, as I feel its the most important factor. | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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Tidus Mino
United Kingdom1108 Posts
On May 01 2012 20:01 Westy wrote: How much would you be charging people? Surprised you have not mentioned that already, as I feel its the most important factor. It was €500 or €550 per person, which is probably why they didn't put it initially, as it'd put a lot of people off but I really hope this works out for everyone involved | ||
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Westy
England808 Posts
On May 01 2012 20:20 Tidus Mino wrote: It was €500 or €550 per person, which is probably why they didn't put it initially, as it'd put a lot of people off but I really hope this works out for everyone involved Per month? | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
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JamesBourne
Poland27 Posts
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Westy
England808 Posts
Well that seems too expensive. Feels like the only people who this will be available too are people already living close to the area, or people already earning money from gaming. | ||
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Grend
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Good luck! | ||
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
On May 01 2012 20:33 Westy wrote: Well that seems too expensive. Feels like the only people who this will be available too are people already living close to the area, or people already earning money from gaming. I disagree.500€/month wouldnt be too expensive imo. At least if thats the only costs that it has (ie. food, driver etc are included and the sleeping arangements arent total crap). | ||
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Gluon
Netherlands392 Posts
On May 01 2012 20:33 Westy wrote: Well that seems too expensive. Feels like the only people who this will be available too are people already living close to the area, or people already earning money from gaming. Too expensive? What the hell? Only if you still live with your parents you'll be able to end up with less costs per month. This is what I spend on rent and food in an average month. If the food is included, then it's actually very cheap Remember that it also includes the driver and the use of a pc. On top of that, living over there is quite cheap and this includes a professional coach around all day. No holiday that I can think of costs less than 500 euros p/m, this is amazing! | ||
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Westy
England808 Posts
On May 01 2012 20:52 bblack wrote: Too expensive? What the hell? Only if you still live with your parents you'll be able to end up with less costs per month. This is what I spend on rent and food in an average month. If the food is included, then it's actually very cheap Remember that it also includes the driver and the use of a pc. On top of that, living over there is quite cheap and this includes a professional coach around all day. No holiday that I can think of costs less than 500 euros p/m, this is amazing! I currently live in a one bedroom apartment for around 550 euros per month including foot and internet. The point is, no normal person can afford to pay that much a month without working or without having saved up for a long time. And I doubt anyone will want to give up their job, life, friends just to play SC2 for a month or two in a house with people who are probably worse than them anyways. I sounds like a great idea and something I would love to do. But without maybe at least half a years worth of saving it just doesn't seem financially viable. | ||
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
On May 01 2012 20:52 bblack wrote: Too expensive? What the hell? Only if you still live with your parents you'll be able to end up with less costs per month. This is what I spend on rent and food in an average month. If the food is included, then it's actually very cheap Remember that it also includes the driver and the use of a pc. On top of that, living over there is quite cheap and this includes a professional coach around all day. No holiday that I can think of costs less than 500 euros p/m, this is amazing! Indeed, im looking for an apparment in my university town aorn and if i could find anything with food/electricity/a designated driver for 500€/month id snaptake it. | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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True_Spike
Poland3423 Posts
On May 01 2012 20:56 Westy wrote: I currently live in a one bedroom apartment for around 550 euros per month including foot and internet. The point is, no normal person can afford to pay that much a month without working or without having saved up for a long time. And I doubt anyone will want to give up their job, life, friends just to play SC2 for a month or two in a house with people who are probably worse than them anyways. I sounds like a great idea and something I would love to do. But without maybe at least half a years worth of saving it just doesn't seem financially viable. Which is why only people who are serious about SC2 will live there, only further reinforcing the reasoning behind its existance - to provide those people with a great training environment. The better the players you practice with, the better you will get. Not only is the environment distraction-free, it's also motivating and stimulating the growth and progress of a person as a player. At the very least it is supposed to, because it all really depends on the people living there. | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
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Westy
England808 Posts
On May 01 2012 21:06 True_Spike wrote: Which is why only people who are serious about SC2 will live there, only further reinforcing the reasoning behind its existance - to provide those people with a great training environment. The better the players you practice with, the better you will get. I feel like you misread my post. The only people who can really afford to live in this house for longer than a month at a time are people who already live near the area and can keep their current job, or people who just happen to have a lot of money saved up already (I don't know of a single gamer that does). And seeing as it seems as though they will likely be accepting anyone that pays, its highly unlikely you will be playing against players better than yourself. | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3423 Posts
On May 01 2012 21:11 Westy wrote: I feel like you misread my post. The only people who can really afford to live in this house for longer than a month at a time are people who already live near the area and can keep their current job, or people who just happen to have a lot of money saved up already (I don't know of a single gamer that does). And seeing as it seems as though they will likely be accepting anyone that pays, its highly unlikely you will be playing against players better than yourself. And, again, the vast majority of people who can afford to do so are either able to sustain themselves from playing SC2 already or are backed up by their teams. In both cases, said individuals must already possess a certain skill level. I do not believe rich newbs will swarm the place only because they can afford it. | ||
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Westy
England808 Posts
On May 01 2012 21:13 True_Spike wrote: And, again, the vast majority of people who can afford to do so are either able to sustain themselves from playing SC2 already or are backed up by their teams. In both cases, said individuals must already possess a certain skill level. That's a fair enough point, but if teams have the money to pay their players enough to send them to a different country, why won't they just send them to korea, or start their own team house? | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
On May 01 2012 03:29 Fanek wrote: and Matiz as the coach gogo! this should be pretty awesome ! lets see ! oh and btw - happy bday Fanek  )ShockeR_40 | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3423 Posts
On May 01 2012 21:15 Westy wrote: That's a fair enough point, but if teams have the money to pay their players enough to send them to a different country, why won't they just send them to korea, or start their own team house? Because Korea is way more expensive, because most lan tournaments take place in Europe and North America and so flying people in and out of S. Korea is, again, more expensive. Because there's virtually no cultural barrier between the habitants of the european pro house, which eases the tension and makes the entire experience more bearable. Because Korean houses offer terrible living conditions in comparison to this one (which may influence one's decision to even go there in the first place, or stay there for long periods of time). I'm sure there are plenty more reasons I haven't even thought of. Korea is, no doubt, the ultimate destination for any self-proclaimed progamer, but that doesn't mean there's nothing in-between. The EG house took a shit ton of resources to create and even more to sustain and yet it continues to operate - and not as a business endeavour (like the one we are discussing here), but solely because, apparently, there's a need for it. If other teams are unwilling or unable to pool enough resources of their own to make it happen it doesn't mean they don't recognize the advantages of that kind of training environment. Sending a player or two to an already established facility is definitely the cheaper alternative to starting a pro-house from scratch and then sustaining the entire team for God knows how long. | ||
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Westy
England808 Posts
On May 01 2012 21:20 True_Spike wrote: Because Korea is way more expensive, because most lan tournaments take place in Europe and North America and so flying people in and out of S. Korea is, again, more expensive. Because there's virtually no cultural barrier between the habitants of the european pro house, which eases the tension and makes the entire experience more bearable. Because Korean houses offer terrible living conditions in comparison to this one (which may influence one's decision to even go there in the first place, or stay there for long periods of time). I'm sure there are plenty more reasons I haven't even thought of. Ok, well thats a sufficient list for one half of my question, what about the other? If a team has enough money to pay players rent, why send them off to a house that will most probably have low level players from around the area in it, when they could have their own house full of their own high level players? | ||
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MinistryOfWin
Poland87 Posts
Ministry of Win is all about progress and giving most to players, who will live in our house. We are going to have some excellent players living in MoW, but we are also 100% welcoming towards skilled non-pros who wish to vastly improve their skills. We intend to maintain professional e-sport atmosphere and regime within the house, which will be even better than in traditional team houses. | ||
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ShiNwave
United Kingdom41 Posts
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True_Spike
Poland3423 Posts
On May 01 2012 21:26 Westy wrote: Ok, well thats a sufficient list for one half of my question, what about the other? If a team has enough money to pay players rent, why send them off to a house that will most probably have low level players from around the area in it, when they could have their own house full of their own high level players? I edited the post above yours in the meantime. The house most likely won't have any "low level players from around the area" because of the reasons I specified earlier. The ones that can afford it and are willing to train inside the pro-house are the ones that are serious about SC2 and, most likely, possess some degree of skill already. Not to mention that people having a job in the meantime wouldn't be able to adhere to the training schedule because of time constraints. I don't think players will be allowed to do whatever the hell they want once inside, I'm certain some sort of training regime will be established. As for the last part of your question - shades of grey, not black and white, that's how the world is. There are not two kinds of teams out there - either with unlimited resources or without a single penny. If a team can establish its own pro-house and continue to maintain it then it probably will (if it sees any merit in it). Perhaps a team can't afford sustaining its entire team this way, perhaps a team might only want to support a few of its players, perhaps it doesn't want to go through the hassle of creating a pro-house from scratch. Perhaps some teams might not see the point in all this and go for the cheaper alternative instead - one that has never been offered before. The idea behind this business is neat, because it fills a niche that nobody has filled before - the need for that cheaper alternative I mentioned. With careful planning, proper execution and some luck it just might succeed. Whether it will or not we shall see in some time. I do wonder, however, what happened with Draco? I heard he was supposed to be the coach (seeing as how he has lots of experience in the matter of pro-houses that would be fantastic). Was it just a rumour or is he indeed a part of the project? | ||
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Gorg
Germany261 Posts
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
1) make the press release text not a 20mb picture lol. 2) the click counter is very easy botable is is possible to get 100k clicks within an hour because there is no protection. | ||
KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
On May 01 2012 03:30 Karmy.SC wrote: Can't wait to get moved in =] This is gonna be awesome You lucky bastard. GLHF! | ||
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SKiller
Poland39 Posts
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Training
Switzerland15 Posts
would someone from the MOW staff please clarify the price of the stay at the house. it is nowhere to be found on your webpage, neither is it in this thread ( apart from speculations) Nice initiative anyway! Training edit: OKAY, so it turns out the price for a month is 2500 PLN, which is 599Euros. | ||
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
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TheAngryZergling
United States387 Posts
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AveGod
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
On May 02 2012 04:03 AveGod wrote: where's Draco da fuck ?! finishing studies | ||
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MinistryOfWin
Poland87 Posts
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Fealthas
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Training
Switzerland15 Posts
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MinistryOfWin
Poland87 Posts
http://starcraft2.net.pl/dokumenty/zalaczniki/2/2-4822.jpg | ||
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MinistryOfWin
Poland87 Posts
We are still looking for players. For now, we have 6 confirmed players and they are going to move-in at 21 of May. If you are interested in joining MoW's house feel free to mail us or call on skype, which name is ministryofwin. ETA for the interview is still today. | ||
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hatespam
Romania161 Posts
oh yeah! go nerchio :d EDIT: wait, no, he's studying or somehting... | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
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routin
Poland8 Posts
there is a short movie from visit in this gaming house not complete yet but still u can see something. Enjoy! Its made by polish caster Zedd | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On May 01 2012 04:36 Karmy.SC wrote: Not announced yet. I'd imagine they will release them once everyone is confirmed. How much are you paying to be in this Teamhouse? On May 01 2012 23:54 Training wrote: Hi, would someone from the MOW staff please clarify the price of the stay at the house. it is nowhere to be found on your webpage, neither is it in this thread ( apart from speculations) Nice initiative anyway! Training edit: OKAY, so it turns out the price for a month is 2500 PLN, which is 599Euros. NVM | ||
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ZeddSC
Poland371 Posts
On May 05 2012 20:05 routin wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_79zcpGSctI& there is a short movie from visit in this gaming house not complete yet but still u can see something. Enjoy! Its made by polish caster Zedd Nooo, but that's me... -.- If i'm seeing things correctly Morglum is uploading his vid right now, there's part 2 of 2, so i'll wait for the first one and post it here. Also, from what i've heard, there are still some spots to secure in the MoW house, so if anyone has a change of heart and wants to join this, i supopse now would be a good time | ||
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Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
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Wilko
Germany470 Posts
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ProxyPL
Poland230 Posts
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AveGod
30 Posts
Yeah i know, but i as expecting to see him as a head coach in that gaming house -.- | ||
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Omgzpwnd
Poland59 Posts
Would love to see some Polish players there too Terror comes to my mind Best wishes, awesome initiative, hope more team houses will get established here (price is prolly alot cheaper than in other countries). | ||
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IBringUFire
Germany103 Posts
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myzael
Poland605 Posts
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Matiz_pl
Poland163 Posts
On May 05 2012 22:52 myzael wrote: So basically, all I have to do is to pay 2500 PLN and then proceed to win all the in-house tournaments to live there for free? Cool :D Its actually awesome deal for someone good. | ||
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Young Terran
United Kingdom265 Posts
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myzael
Poland605 Posts
Overall, the house looks awesome, the only thing uncertain is who will train there. | ||
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Rk0
Netherlands224 Posts
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Wilko
Germany470 Posts
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
Own3d. | ||
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
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Garik
Poland3 Posts
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polybios
Czech Republic111 Posts
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Wilko
Germany470 Posts
On May 06 2012 06:20 Disengaged wrote: Ew. Own3d. I heard Own3d planed to re-model the functions and stuff more user-friendly They got an own chat-system now too | ||
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-Switch-
Canada506 Posts
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Wilko
Germany470 Posts
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Cirqueenflex
499 Posts
nah, jk. But if only i had the time i would really consider applying for the house, everything sounds/looks so cool | ||
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deathserv
United States228 Posts
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Sandroid
United Kingdom7 Posts
On May 05 2012 23:14 myzael wrote: Well, obviously I was talking hypothetically. I am nowhere near such high level. But if only one top-level player would live there the whole deal would be quite abuseable Overall, the house looks awesome, the only thing uncertain is who will train there.I would say the inhouse tournaments aren't the main feature of the house, they're just a bit of fun. So there would be no benefit for a pro to move in just so he could win those tourney's (which probably won't have a cash prize since they're in house). Also I have a question, will people be able to stay here short term i.e. a few months and then move out or is it strictly for people wanting to play long term? | ||
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babybell
776 Posts
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
On May 08 2012 02:50 babybell wrote: I don't understand how this will work out. I'm not sure about prices in Poland but 12 gamers can't be generating too much more than the expenses of all that. Their business model must be viable or they wouldn't have put so much time, effort, and resources into making it a reality. | ||
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Wilko
Germany470 Posts
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HydraFucaZ
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1047 Posts
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Wilko
Germany470 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:29 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: Looks interesting. Wonder how often it is updated because of this Number of visits so far: 5117 - next unlock over 5000. it says 7500 now | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
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HydraFucaZ
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ProxyPL
Poland230 Posts
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lleberg
Sweden19 Posts
It's an add from a company that's basicly saying something along the lines of "Come to us to live the progamer life you've always dreamt of for only €600 a month." Sharing a house or flat allways saves a lot of money for people involved, but having a company that makes a profit of it while offering chef, maid and driver in a country where salarys are low is something else.. Not that it's wrong, just that it's completly different from all teamhouses out there.. Here you seem to have the opportunity to basicly live life of a child where everything is done for you, only now you have to pay for it.. Of course it's nice, of course it's luxury.. but Is all this really necessary for a pro-gamer to get better? | ||
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Griznah
Norway65 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:57 lleberg wrote: I'm not really sure how to feel about this project. It's an add from a company that's basicly saying something along the lines of "Come to us to live the progamer life you've always dreamt of for only €600 a month." Sharing a house or flat allways saves a lot of money for people involved, but having a company that makes a profit of it while offering chef, maid and driver in a country where salarys are low is something else.. Not that it's wrong, just that it's completly different from all teamhouses out there.. Here you seem to have the opportunity to basicly live life of a child where everything is done for you, only now you have to pay for it.. Of course it's nice, of course it's luxury.. but Is all this really necessary for a pro-gamer to get better? Omg, couldn't leave it to IRC.. This isn't a teamhouse. I think it's GREAT that people find a way to make a living on e-sports, it only strengthens the scene further. | ||
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IBringUFire
Germany103 Posts
On May 08 2012 03:53 Wilko wrote: Oh, so Unlock #3 is Snute! And Unlock #4 is AI.Cytoplasm. Next unlock at 10 000. | ||
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ProxyPL
Poland230 Posts
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Noispaxen
Poland150 Posts
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Wilko
Germany470 Posts
On May 10 2012 01:37 IBringUFire wrote: And Unlock #4 is AI.Cytoplasm. Next unlock at 10 000. OMG, #5 are giant chocolate race-emblems, now i really want to move into the gaming-house! | ||
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Matiz_pl
Poland163 Posts
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Orval
Norway236 Posts
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JamesBourne
Poland27 Posts
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