EPTHotS Beta to be Released Weeks After MLG Anaheim - Page 11
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NinjaTrout
United States35 Posts
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On April 29 2012 07:06 DyEnasTy wrote: Thank you so much. I am really scared Terran is just Transformers in the SC universe. Battle Hellion? Really? Thats what Blizzard came up with? Battle Hellion, Viking; yeah they are pretty much going to be transformers. The unit designs are just so uninspired. They're either units out of BW, or units stolen from C&C. I'm guessing in Legacy of the Void, the Terran are going to get a unit transport that tunnels underground.... (+2 points if you get that joke) I'm even more worried about the single player. BW had one of the greatest single player campaigns of any RTS ever. SC2 campaign was a boring, retconed, pile of poo. By the end of of, I wanted to shoot Tycus, not for betraying Raynor but just because he was so fucking annoying. Raynor's whiny-ness about Kerrigan got on my nerves too. Like fucking Twilight in space. There was a time when Raynor was a hard ass, top enemy of the Confederacy and the new Terran dominion. Now he's flippin' Jacob. On April 29 2012 07:09 fabiano wrote: If they keep those units from Blizzcon then it is settled, SC2 IS just as lame as C&C. Yeah, I'll go back to playing WC3. Or just find something else in general. Luckily they got rid of the On April 29 2012 05:37 iCastor wrote: I just cannot wait for HotS to come out. Maybe, the BW pros will switch? ;D If the new HotS units are as dumb as the ones from Blizzcon, and they don't fix the deathball; I will personally go to Korea and beg Flash to switch back to BW. | ||
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
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Patate
Canada441 Posts
Make SC2 a worthy successor to BW! | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On April 29 2012 07:28 TheToast wrote: I'm even more worried about the single player. BW had one of the greatest single player campaigns of any RTS ever. SC2 campaign was a boring, retconed, pile of poo. By the end of of, I wanted to shoot Tycus, not for betraying Raynor but just because he was so fucking annoying. Raynor's whiny-ness about Kerrigan got on my nerves too. Like fucking Twilight in space. There was a time when Raynor was a hard ass, top enemy of the Confederacy and the new Terran dominion. Now he's flippin' Jacob. While it's fair to say that the story was pretty retarded, The gameplay of the campaign was really good, with all the different mission types + the upgrade system making it fun to play if you just ignore the story. On April 28 2012 21:19 Energizer wrote: Companies dont run tournaments. Tournament organizers do. Its the tournament organizer that has to show proof of evidence to a potential sponsor what the expected turnout would be for a tournament and how many people will see their logo. HoTS doesn't have the luxury of WoL when it comes to showing hard data that investors like so much. Of course there will be the occasional tournament sponsored by Razor or maybe even Twitch, but to say that everyone will jump on board the beta as soon as it starts is just downright delusional when you factor in how NO ONE will throw in a 50k+ prize pool on a beta. When beta is released will people watch HoTS streams and such? Of course. But honestly if given the choice Im willing to bet every dime to my name that people would be much more interested in watching streams of players like Idra, DRG, DeMuslim, White-Ra and others tear it up playing WoL. While i might have exagerated slightly with the large prize pools, think if you have a choice between watching white-ra playing WoL or Whitera playing HotS. I think most people would choose HotS, therefore it is a better business decision for whitera to stream HotS as he will get more revenue. Furthermore, Whitera has a choice between fighting it out with all the top koreans and foreigners for prize money from events in WoL, likely working extremely hard for a very low chance of a high placing at a major event and then be miles behind the pros who were playing in the beta the whole time when HotS gets released. Or he can enjoy increased revenue from streaming HotS + get more practice in so when the HotS tournaments arrive, he will be at a large advantage to the people who were playing WoL. Just look at the bw pro teams which had large numbers of players playing only sc2 when they didn't even know if there would be sc2 in the proleague or not, those players risked the chance that they would not get to have any gains from playing a totally new game for months, just for a chance of having an advantage when the time came. Compare that to the middle tier pros right now and HotS, and they have almost guaranteed increased ad revenue from streaming the beta, (which you can't deny will draw higher viewer numbers then streaming WoL) + they get the practice in for a switch they know 100% is coming. | ||
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Zic
Canada32 Posts
On April 29 2012 07:28 TheToast wrote: Battle Hellion, Viking; yeah they are pretty much going to be transformers. The unit designs are just so uninspired. They're either units out of BW, or units stolen from C&C. I'm guessing in Legacy of the Void, the Terran are going to get a unit transport that tunnels underground.... (+2 points if you get that joke) I'm even more worried about the single player. BW had one of the greatest single player campaigns of any RTS ever. SC2 campaign was a boring, retconed, pile of poo. By the end of of, I wanted to shoot Tycus, not for betraying Raynor but just because he was so fucking annoying. Raynor's whiny-ness about Kerrigan got on my nerves too. Like fucking Twilight in space. There was a time when Raynor was a hard ass, top enemy of the Confederacy and the new Terran dominion. Now he's flippin' Jacob. Yeah, I'll go back to playing WC3. Or just find something else in general. Luckily they got rid of the If the new HotS units are as dumb as the ones from Blizzcon, and they don't fix the deathball; I will personally go to Korea and beg Flash to switch back to BW. Yeah, the story in SC/BW was better, but to claim that the gameplay is better requires some pretty thick nostalgia goggles. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
Can someone link me to games with that 6m1g stuff? I've heard good things about that, but never actually saw a single game with it. | ||
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bgriffs
United States10 Posts
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NeoGeoOdin
Colombia140 Posts
On April 29 2012 08:01 fabiano wrote: Oh shit, did they get really rid of the replicant? That's actually good. That crap was just off. Can someone link me to games with that 6m1g stuff? I've heard good things about that, but never actually saw a single game with it. Not only the Replicant, also the shredder, and the tempest its now like a long siegue unit, not splash damage, like BL maybe, by june, everything has changed... | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On April 29 2012 08:01 fabiano wrote: Oh shit, did they get really rid of the replicant? That's actually good. That crap was just off. Can someone link me to games with that 6m1g stuff? I've heard good things about that, but never actually saw a single game with it. Everything you ever wanted to know about 6m with replays: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321242 On April 29 2012 08:00 Zic wrote: Yeah, the story in SC/BW was better, but to claim that the gameplay is better requires some pretty thick nostalgia goggles. Not just the storyline was better; the lore, the music, the voice acting (Zeratul and Tassadar's new voice actors are not as good), the fact that the entire setting wasn't just copied from Joss Whendon movies.... Whether or not the game play was "better" is subjective and frankly, they're two different games. It's comparing apples to bananas, some people just prefer one over the other. On April 29 2012 08:57 NeoGeoOdin wrote: Not only the Replicant, also the shredder, and the tempest its now like a long siegue unit, not splash damage, like BL maybe, by june, everything has changed... Ahh yes, the Tempest. The unit that does the exact same thing as the carrier, but the carrier had to be removed from the game because it was unbalance-able. For some reason. | ||
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
And like another poster said, I secretely expected them to bring some deeper changes to Protoss...the race just doesn't work. | ||
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FrozenProbe
Italy276 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
On April 29 2012 09:19 MilesTeg wrote: Wow, they're really doing it fast. Way too fast IMO. Last time they talked about HotS a couple weeks ago, it was pretty much to say "we removed most of our new ideas, we don't know what we're going to replace them with". And like another poster said, I secretely expected them to bring some deeper changes to Protoss...the race just doesn't work. Very fast? 2 years in development on already having solid basics. Too fast is the last phrase that could be used here. If they dont start with something like beta to get things done and going, i swear, knowing blizz, it would take 2 years more. And this is only an expansion. They add 2 units and some new evolutions per race. Having all those feedback from the beta is what they need more than anything, rather than developing ' by themselves' in tiny dark room. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
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ejac
United States1195 Posts
On April 29 2012 08:00 Zic wrote: Yeah, the story in SC/BW was better, but to claim that the gameplay is better requires some pretty thick nostalgia goggles. lol, the good old nostalgia argument that is completely nonsensical. Regardless of which game is better, it's such a fucking stupid thing to say because I can actively play and watch bw today just as I can play and watch sc2 so if I were to make a comparison between the games, I would not be comparing the memory of bw to sc2, I would be comparing the games directly. | ||
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Garmer
1286 Posts
anyway, i hope that they have made some additional change from the last blog of DB | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On April 29 2012 17:44 ejac wrote: lol, the good old nostalgia argument that is completely nonsensical. Regardless of which game is better, it's such a fucking stupid thing to say because I can actively play and watch bw today just as I can play and watch sc2 so if I were to make a comparison between the games, I would not be comparing the memory of bw to sc2, I would be comparing the games directly. I have played BW off and on for 10ish years, and I can understand the nostalgia argument. I have 10 years of memories that are associated with the game I play. 10 years of experience with game and the appreciation for its development up to this point. While I was not a hardcore competitive player, I still have a lot of history with the game. Being objective between the two isn't all that easy, because you need to be able to squash all the history you have with both games, and play each as if you never played them before. Which is tough, because obviously people change and what they like changes, which changes the frame of reference for the experience. With that said, BW as a whole had a wider and a bit more interesting plot, although I felt it was a bit more messy then SC2. Perhaps it was the lack of cutscenes or how important information was unevenly distributed between in-game dialogue and those test blurbs at the start. Overall I think BW was a better story then WoL so far, but the WoL story is the first part of a 3 part arc. Where-as BW was a 2-part arc. So SC2 has time to change my mind pending how stuff like Duran or UED plays out. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
Diablo had been in beta for a year, similar with sc2 | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On April 29 2012 18:11 iky43210 wrote: if you know anything about Blizzard, beta will last a full year so its not too early to release it. Diablo had been in beta for a year, similar with sc2 StarCraft 2 Beta: 17.02.2010 - 19.07.2010 (6 months) Diablo 3 Beta: 20.09.2011 - 01.05.2012 (~7 months) | ||
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