Broadcast: seven streams - The Central stream: a highly-polished production featuring half the matches of the tournament. - The Gameplay Stream: a fast-paced, all-action stream, featuring the other half of the tournament's matches. - Four POV streams: one for each player who's competing on the Central and Gameplay streams. - The Dr Pepper Ultimate Access stream: free to everyone, all weekend long. The stream will feature interviews, analysis, behind-the-scenes coverage, and a lot more.
Schedule: - Friday: 6:00 - Midnight Pool Play - Saturday: 2:00 - 10:00 pm Pool Play - Sunday: 2:00 - 6:00 pm Bracket and finals
Pricing: The first match aired on each of the two main streams will be free. To get access to all of the rest, you'll need one of two things: - A Spring Arena 1 PPV Pass. This pass is $10 and you'll soon be able to purchase them right in the player on the live page. - A Spring SCII Season Pass: A much better deal. For $30 ($15 for Gold Members) you get full HD access to Spring Arena 1, the Invite-Only Online Qualifiers, and Spring Arena 2. Paying for each of these events individually would cost you $50. Check out this infographic to see how Season pricing work.
Rob Simpson and JP again? Why? Get Apollo or something, his amount of knowledge and casting ability is more than theirs combined. They have consistently been the weak link of MLG.
The content now justify the PPV thing I think. Grubby as a caster, 3 players bring for analysts, pov streams of players during games is some high production value stuff.
I'll wait to see if everything will go smoothly, but I'll probably buy a pass. ( If the bug making us watching for free is fix obviously lol )
And what's up with day9 casting so much less these days ?
In the past I have payed up for MLG subscription when I could afford it, but now I dont even get a low quality free stream when I cant afford it. Very lame MLG.
On April 13 2012 05:19 Sliver wrote: Rob Simpson and JP again? Why? Get Apollo or something, his amount of knowledge and casting ability is more than theirs combined. They have consistently been the weak link of MLG.
Apollo is doing DH at the same time. Because you know.. e-sport is big enough so MLG and DH keep putting event at the same time. *rolleyes*
Really excited to see Grubby as a caster. Only having 8 players strikes me as kind of odd. Feels like the old Dreamhack invitationals except I guess with pool play they'll be playing a significantly larger amount of games.
What's going on with Day9? He's not casting at dreamhack or the arena that weekend. MLG only has budget to hire Day9 for the main MLGs or what? Disappointing to not have day9 at the arenas.
since mlg staff are posting in this thread i thought id ask. why does starcraft (which proved it can attract 'big' viewing numbers to mlg) get its first arena with a $15 price tag to even watch at all. and the fighting games which have had 1 mlg total get an arena which is free to watch and only $5 for HD.
unless im missunderstanding something it looks like starcraft is funding other games. is this the case? considering the huge backlast about talk about sustainability we got from mlg last time im suprised there isnt more of a crap storm over this tbh.
On April 13 2012 05:31 turdburgler wrote: since mlg is posting in this thread im curious. why does starcraft (which proved it can attract 'big' viewing numbers to mlg) get its first arena with a $15 price tag to even watch at all. and the fighting games which have had 1 mlg total get an arena which is free to watch and only $5 for HD.
unless im missunderstanding something it looks like starcraft is funding other games. is this the case?
FGC prize pool at arena is a lot smaller than the sc2 prize pool. Plus they're trying to attract the FGC market into watching MLG, so have to start at a lower price point.
On April 13 2012 05:31 turdburgler wrote: since mlg is posting in this thread im curious. why does starcraft (which proved it can attract 'big' viewing numbers to mlg) get its first arena with a $15 price tag to even watch at all. and the fighting games which have had 1 mlg total get an arena which is free to watch and only $5 for HD.
unless im missunderstanding something it looks like starcraft is funding other games. is this the case?
The fighting arena is a stand alone 1 day event, 4 hours for each title. It has no Season tie in and is completely funded by Sony.
On April 13 2012 05:31 turdburgler wrote: since mlg staff are posting in this thread i thought id ask. why does starcraft (which proved it can attract 'big' viewing numbers to mlg) get its first arena with a $15 price tag to even watch at all. and the fighting games which have had 1 mlg total get an arena which is free to watch and only $5 for HD.
unless im missunderstanding something it looks like starcraft is funding other games. is this the case? considering the huge backlast about talk about sustainability we got from mlg last time im suprised there isnt more of a crap storm over this tbh.
thats my biggest fucking problem fighting games get their arena and its free what a joke keep sucking us sc2 fans dry MLG
On April 13 2012 05:31 turdburgler wrote: since mlg is posting in this thread im curious. why does starcraft (which proved it can attract 'big' viewing numbers to mlg) get its first arena with a $15 price tag to even watch at all. and the fighting games which have had 1 mlg total get an arena which is free to watch and only $5 for HD.
unless im missunderstanding something it looks like starcraft is funding other games. is this the case?
FGC prize pool at arena is a lot smaller than the sc2 prize pool. Plus they're trying to attract the FGC market into watching MLG, so have to start at a lower price point.
but why did we have to prove it viable through 6+ mlg events of carrying mlg, and then a higher than 'needed' price point to prove viability, mlg then gives free hand outs to the fgc. if starcraft is supposed to prove it is commercially viable why does this not hold true for other games?
On April 13 2012 05:31 turdburgler wrote: since mlg is posting in this thread im curious. why does starcraft (which proved it can attract 'big' viewing numbers to mlg) get its first arena with a $15 price tag to even watch at all. and the fighting games which have had 1 mlg total get an arena which is free to watch and only $5 for HD.
unless im missunderstanding something it looks like starcraft is funding other games. is this the case?
The fighting arena is a stand alone 1 day event, 4 hours for each title. It has no Season tie in and is completely funded by Sony.
On April 13 2012 05:31 turdburgler wrote: since mlg is posting in this thread im curious. why does starcraft (which proved it can attract 'big' viewing numbers to mlg) get its first arena with a $15 price tag to even watch at all. and the fighting games which have had 1 mlg total get an arena which is free to watch and only $5 for HD.
unless im missunderstanding something it looks like starcraft is funding other games. is this the case?
FGC prize pool at arena is a lot smaller than the sc2 prize pool. Plus they're trying to attract the FGC market into watching MLG, so have to start at a lower price point.
but why did we have to prove it viable through 6+ mlg events of carrying mlg, and then a higher than 'needed' price point to prove viability, mlg then gives free hand outs to the fgc. if starcraft is supposed to prove it is commercially viable why does this not hold true for other games?
On April 13 2012 05:31 turdburgler wrote: since mlg is posting in this thread im curious. why does starcraft (which proved it can attract 'big' viewing numbers to mlg) get its first arena with a $15 price tag to even watch at all. and the fighting games which have had 1 mlg total get an arena which is free to watch and only $5 for HD.
unless im missunderstanding something it looks like starcraft is funding other games. is this the case?
The fighting arena is a stand alone 1 day event, 4 hours for each title. It has no Season tie in and is completely funded by Sony.
ok np
Yeah forget what I said as I was just guessing. I didn't know sony was paying for it all.
On April 13 2012 05:31 turdburgler wrote: since mlg is posting in this thread im curious. why does starcraft (which proved it can attract 'big' viewing numbers to mlg) get its first arena with a $15 price tag to even watch at all. and the fighting games which have had 1 mlg total get an arena which is free to watch and only $5 for HD.
unless im missunderstanding something it looks like starcraft is funding other games. is this the case?
FGC prize pool at arena is a lot smaller than the sc2 prize pool. Plus they're trying to attract the FGC market into watching MLG, so have to start at a lower price point.
but why did we have to prove it viable through 6+ mlg events of carrying mlg, and then a higher than 'needed' price point to prove viability, mlg then gives free hand outs to the fgc. if starcraft is supposed to prove it is commercially viable why does this not hold true for other games?
The FGC arena is completely funded by Sony. It is also a single day cast that will not have nearly the production values of the SC2 arena, nor any type of Pro Circuit tie in for rankings or prizes.
SC2 will have $110,000 in prize money in Spring Season plus 56 fully paid global trips.
So I'm guessing the Race Specific analyst addition is approved by the community? The idea is that after every Main Stream match the analysts will discuss the replay with the main casters. TvP will be QXC and Axlav, ZvT will be QXC and Sheth, etc etc.
On April 13 2012 05:38 MLG_Adam wrote: So I'm guessing the Race Specific analyst addition is approved by the community? The idea is that after every Main Stream match the analysts will discuss the replay with the main casters. TvP will be QXC and Axlav, ZvT will be QXC and Sheth, etc etc.
Sounds like a good idea, as long as you give them enough time to say what's on their mind, and not just a 10 sec sweep to the analyst desk. Had the feeling of it being very rushed the last time around.
My biggest concern for this tournament is extended series. It's not double elim so it shouldn't be there at all. But if it is there, the bracket rounds will be pretty much ruined. Every player plays each other for seeding, so every round of the bracket would be an extended series. This will hurt this arena so much. If there is no extended series for this, then disregard this comment.
I don't actually mind extended series for double elim (mlg's main tournaments). I don't think it's as anticlimactic for the finals as traditional double elim. But this format is not double elim, and should not have extended series period.
On April 13 2012 05:38 MLG_Adam wrote: So I'm guessing the Race Specific analyst addition is approved by the community? The idea is that after every Main Stream match the analysts will discuss the replay with the main casters. TvP will be QXC and Axlav, ZvT will be QXC and Sheth, etc etc.
That sounds great. Just don't cut it out in the vods. I know in the pass the vod were cut at the end to avoid spoilers of matches but seriously if you don't want to get spoiled you would watch it in order.
On April 13 2012 05:38 MLG_Adam wrote: So I'm guessing the Race Specific analyst addition is approved by the community? The idea is that after every Main Stream match the analysts will discuss the replay with the main casters. TvP will be QXC and Axlav, ZvT will be QXC and Sheth, etc etc.
Its ridiculous in that you have more analysts than players, this whole event seems a bit stupid. I mean you went on and on about how these arenas were taking MLG back to their roots of throwing a great tournament together and you decide to do so by having an eight player invitational and making it drag on for over 20 hours...
Also why the fuck did Grubby of all people agreed to go to this over DH, very dissapointed.
I didn't purchase the first arena because being a gold member it felt like I had a slap in the face but this is just so much better (even if I wasn't a gold member). The analyst move is also very interesting and very welcomed. I'm so purchasing this when I get home. Can't wait for it to start.
On April 13 2012 05:38 MLG_Adam wrote: So I'm guessing the Race Specific analyst addition is approved by the community? The idea is that after every Main Stream match the analysts will discuss the replay with the main casters. TvP will be QXC and Axlav, ZvT will be QXC and Sheth, etc etc.
Its ridiculous in that you have more analysts than players, this whole event seems a bit stupid. I mean you went on and on about how these arenas were taking MLG back to their roots of throwing a great tournament together and you decide to do so by having an eight player invitational and making it drag on for over 20 hours...
Also why the fuck did Grubby of all people agreed to go to this over DH, very dissapointed.
You're going to have to refresh everyone's memory because no one will remember "going back to roots" because it never happened.
In fact the arenas have apparently been organized to be the opposite of MLG's roots. Grubby is going because he's American by heart.
On April 13 2012 05:38 MLG_Adam wrote: So I'm guessing the Race Specific analyst addition is approved by the community? The idea is that after every Main Stream match the analysts will discuss the replay with the main casters. TvP will be QXC and Axlav, ZvT will be QXC and Sheth, etc etc.
Its ridiculous in that you have more analysts than players, this whole event seems a bit stupid. I mean you went on and on about how these arenas were taking MLG back to their roots of throwing a great tournament together and you decide to do so by having an eight player invitational and making it drag on for over 20 hours...
Also why the fuck did Grubby of all people agreed to go to this over DH, very dissapointed.
You're going to have to refresh everyone's memory because no one will remember "going back to roots" because it never happened.
In fact the arenas have apparently been organized to be the opposite of MLG's roots. Grubby is going because he's American by heart.
Ok then "going back to what we do best - which is live competition", I stand corrected oh great rememberer of quotes.
So since there are only 8 players, would it be too much to ask for every single players POV to be streamed the entire event? You're already doing it for 4 players, why not the 4 left? So Huk fans can follow him the entire weekend and MKP fans can do the same. Then when their match gets on the main stage or secondary stage they can load that one as well if they would like commentary. Honestly it seems like a no brainer and I could see someone paying up just for that.
On April 13 2012 05:53 Hrrrrm wrote: So since there are only 8 players, would it be too much to ask for every single players POV to be streamed the entire event? You're already doing it for 4 players, why not the 4 left? So Huk fans can follow him the entire weekend and MKP fans can do the same. Then when their match gets on the main stage or secondary stage they can load that one as well if they would like commentary. Honestly it seems like a no brainer and I could see someone paying up just for that.
Every single match will be streamed, and every single match will have direct POV streams from the players.
On April 13 2012 05:53 Hrrrrm wrote: So since there are only 8 players, would it be too much to ask for every single players POV to be streamed the entire event? You're already doing it for 4 players, why not the 4 left? So Huk fans can follow him the entire weekend and MKP fans can do the same. Then when their match gets on the main stage or secondary stage they can load that one as well if they would like commentary. Honestly it seems like a no brainer and I could see someone paying up just for that.
You didn't understand I think. There will be one game on stream1, a second on stream 2. And you have 4 streams to follow every players pov. The 4 other players probably wont play at the same time as the other 4, so you'll see every game.
On April 13 2012 05:38 MLG_Adam wrote: So I'm guessing the Race Specific analyst addition is approved by the community? The idea is that after every Main Stream match the analysts will discuss the replay with the main casters. TvP will be QXC and Axlav, ZvT will be QXC and Sheth, etc etc.
Its ridiculous in that you have more analysts than players, this whole event seems a bit stupid. I mean you went on and on about how these arenas were taking MLG back to their roots of throwing a great tournament together and you decide to do so by having an eight player invitational and making it drag on for over 20 hours...
Also why the fuck did Grubby of all people agreed to go to this over DH, very dissapointed.
You're going to have to refresh everyone's memory because no one will remember "going back to roots" because it never happened.
In fact the arenas have apparently been organized to be the opposite of MLG's roots. Grubby is going because he's American by heart.
Ok then "going back to what we do best - which is live competition", I stand corrected oh great rememberer of quotes.
Did you see the Winter Arena? It was immaculate. IPL4 and even the Winter Championship were practically jokes compared to the Winter Arena. These Arenas (so far, like one, nice sample size) have been the best weekend tournaments to date. MLG is continuing to excel and innovate, proof is in the pudding of Winter Arena. That's what live competition in a small, niche environment will yield.
I'm surprised and disappointed that MC's team SK, which is swedish, is letting him go to MLG instead of DH. Also Grubby is already announced as a player at DH so I don't know what's going on with that.
On April 13 2012 05:38 MLG_Adam wrote: So I'm guessing the Race Specific analyst addition is approved by the community? The idea is that after every Main Stream match the analysts will discuss the replay with the main casters. TvP will be QXC and Axlav, ZvT will be QXC and Sheth, etc etc.
Its ridiculous in that you have more analysts than players, this whole event seems a bit stupid. I mean you went on and on about how these arenas were taking MLG back to their roots of throwing a great tournament together and you decide to do so by having an eight player invitational and making it drag on for over 20 hours...
Also why the fuck did Grubby of all people agreed to go to this over DH, very dissapointed.
You're going to have to refresh everyone's memory because no one will remember "going back to roots" because it never happened.
In fact the arenas have apparently been organized to be the opposite of MLG's roots. Grubby is going because he's American by heart.
Ok then "going back to what we do best - which is live competition", I stand corrected oh great rememberer of quotes.
Did you see the Winter Arena? It was immaculate. IPL4 and even the Winter Championship were practically jokes compared to the Winter Arena. These Arenas (so far, like one, nice sample size) have been the best weekend tournaments to date. MLG is continuing to excel and innovate, proof is in the pudding of Winter Arena. That's what live competition in a small, niche environment will yield.
Not sure what you're arguing here but I'm just trying to say that MLG has been known for throwing outrageous world class tournaments with tens to hundreds of players, rather than continuing the trend they throw 8 players in and hold a ridiculous group seeding system into a double elim bracket. Then after the 8man invitational is locked in they announce they're gonna spend a shitload of money to have a ridiculous amount of casters for such a small event.
Sounds great, decent price, good casters (although I'm not fond of JP as a caster, Grubby being there makes up for it), and the analysts is a good move.
Will pay and watch unless a Guild Wars beta happens on that weekend.
On April 13 2012 05:53 Hrrrrm wrote: So since there are only 8 players, would it be too much to ask for every single players POV to be streamed the entire event? You're already doing it for 4 players, why not the 4 left? So Huk fans can follow him the entire weekend and MKP fans can do the same. Then when their match gets on the main stage or secondary stage they can load that one as well if they would like commentary. Honestly it seems like a no brainer and I could see someone paying up just for that.
Every single match will be streamed, and every single match will have direct POV streams from the players.
So by streaming all players' direct POVs it's actually a real POV and not just locking the observer camera on the players using the in-game client, right?
On April 13 2012 05:59 Luftmensch wrote: I'm surprised and disappointed that MC's team SK, which is swedish, is letting him go to MLG instead of DH. Also Grubby is already announced as a player at DH so I don't know what's going on with that.
SK is not Swedish, they're German. Only their CS squad is ;-)
On April 13 2012 05:53 Hrrrrm wrote: So since there are only 8 players, would it be too much to ask for every single players POV to be streamed the entire event? You're already doing it for 4 players, why not the 4 left? So Huk fans can follow him the entire weekend and MKP fans can do the same. Then when their match gets on the main stage or secondary stage they can load that one as well if they would like commentary. Honestly it seems like a no brainer and I could see someone paying up just for that.
Every single match will be streamed, and every single match will have direct POV streams from the players.
So by streaming all players' direct POVs it's actually a real POV and not just locking the observer camera on the players using the in-game client, right?
On April 13 2012 06:04 coolcor wrote: So everybody is playing everybody else in the pools right? Does this mean that every single game in the bracket play will be an extended series?
Since when did pool play mean an extended series in the bracket the first time the players met in the bracket?
On April 13 2012 05:38 MLG_Adam wrote: So I'm guessing the Race Specific analyst addition is approved by the community? The idea is that after every Main Stream match the analysts will discuss the replay with the main casters. TvP will be QXC and Axlav, ZvT will be QXC and Sheth, etc etc.
Its ridiculous in that you have more analysts than players, this whole event seems a bit stupid. I mean you went on and on about how these arenas were taking MLG back to their roots of throwing a great tournament together and you decide to do so by having an eight player invitational and making it drag on for over 20 hours...
Also why the fuck did Grubby of all people agreed to go to this over DH, very dissapointed.
You're going to have to refresh everyone's memory because no one will remember "going back to roots" because it never happened.
In fact the arenas have apparently been organized to be the opposite of MLG's roots. Grubby is going because he's American by heart.
Ok then "going back to what we do best - which is live competition", I stand corrected oh great rememberer of quotes.
Did you see the Winter Arena? It was immaculate. IPL4 and even the Winter Championship were practically jokes compared to the Winter Arena. These Arenas (so far, like one, nice sample size) have been the best weekend tournaments to date. MLG is continuing to excel and innovate, proof is in the pudding of Winter Arena. That's what live competition in a small, niche environment will yield.
Not sure what you're arguing here but I'm just trying to say that MLG has been known for throwing outrageous world class tournaments with tens to hundreds of players, rather than continuing the trend they throw 8 players in and hold a ridiculous group seeding system into a double elim bracket. Then after the 8man invitational is locked in they announce they're gonna spend a shitload of money to have a ridiculous amount of casters for such a small event.
Those live events for MLG aren't gone. They're still there. These arenas are side events. The # of casters really doesn't have much to do with the depth of the competition but rather the width which inordinately reduces the depth (having more casters than players, i.e. less players). A small amount of highly skilled competitors will have a higher competition mean than tens to hundreds of competitors with skill ranges few and far between.
On April 13 2012 05:53 Hrrrrm wrote: So since there are only 8 players, would it be too much to ask for every single players POV to be streamed the entire event? You're already doing it for 4 players, why not the 4 left? So Huk fans can follow him the entire weekend and MKP fans can do the same. Then when their match gets on the main stage or secondary stage they can load that one as well if they would like commentary. Honestly it seems like a no brainer and I could see someone paying up just for that.
Every single match will be streamed, and every single match will have direct POV streams from the players.
I see I thought there was more overlap where not every single match would be streamed. Good to hear.
It is a week in advance, not quite last minute but these are the details no sense in promising them months in advance to have people dissapointed that promises were broken.
I wish the DH fans would stick to the DH thread, I looked through their thread and it seems like it is pretty much all people for DH, not butthurt MLG fans in there.
On April 13 2012 06:04 coolcor wrote: So everybody is playing everybody else in the pools right? Does this mean that every single game in the bracket play will be an extended series?
Since when did pool play mean an extended series in the bracket the first time the players met in the bracket?
Thats how all the other MLG's worked with players meeting in pools becoming an extended series in the championship bracket if they meet again.
Why is everyone mad at getting more games? I does sound a bit odd there is so much group play, but still I would prefer if it was only 1 stream but less matches, since this way, yes you can watch more matches, but i'm gonna know the result of those matches before the vods are up, so I miss half of the event.
I know from the Winter Arena, I watched some games, but I missed the vast majority and I didn't watch the vods of the ones i missed unless it was a really big match, since I already knew the result.
Also all the analyst are from USA? which means they're a lot cheaper to get there, same goes with djwheat, jp and robsimpson, only expensive ones would be Tastosis and Grubby, aswell as the players.
Everyone just keep in mind, if you think this is disappointing, it's extra, if this wasnt here, these 8 players would just be seeded into the current Spring Arena 2
On April 13 2012 06:04 coolcor wrote: So everybody is playing everybody else in the pools right? Does this mean that every single game in the bracket play will be an extended series?
Since when did pool play mean an extended series in the bracket the first time the players met in the bracket?
Thats how all the other MLG's worked with players meeting in pools becoming an extended series in the championship bracket if they meet again.
Damn, I never noticed that guess it did not happen that often. Oops sorry.
On April 13 2012 05:53 Hrrrrm wrote: So since there are only 8 players, would it be too much to ask for every single players POV to be streamed the entire event? You're already doing it for 4 players, why not the 4 left? So Huk fans can follow him the entire weekend and MKP fans can do the same. Then when their match gets on the main stage or secondary stage they can load that one as well if they would like commentary. Honestly it seems like a no brainer and I could see someone paying up just for that.
Every single match will be streamed, and every single match will have direct POV streams from the players.
this is the best piece of news, i think only the removal of extended series could top it.
Don't forget guys... you're still getting the same amount of free content as last year. You aren't losing out on anything, so try to remember that haha... this event wouldn't even exist as it was last year
Pricing is significantly better, while not as good as IPL I think but still perfectly reasonable, especially considering the quality we should get.
Yesssss, Grubby! I'm not a huge fan of Wheat, Rob or JP.. Their casting seems very forced. I'm curious about Day9, too. Any idea as to what's happening with him?
On April 13 2012 06:27 Day[9] wrote: After Hours Gaming League finals are in Santa Monica that day so that's where me + husky will be! Best of luck to players + casters n' the like :>
Now I will have to buy another monitor to catch you and Husky casting that as well. Madness in esports land these days.
On April 13 2012 06:30 XenocideFTW wrote: Will there be VOD's of the POV streams?
its been said 100 times yes POV
I don't believe it's been said theres gonna be VOD's of the POV though, unless i'm mistaken, there wasn't from the Winter Arena towards the final matches.
I like this deal much better than the winter version. I payed the 20 dollars for the winter arena any way last time, but I feel like ten dollars is a much smaller pill to swallow.
On April 13 2012 06:53 MichaelDonovan wrote: I like this deal much better than the winter version. I payed the 20 dollars for the winter arena any way last time, but I feel like ten dollars is a much smaller pill to swallow.
On April 13 2012 06:27 Day[9] wrote: After Hours Gaming League finals are in Santa Monica that day so that's where me + husky will be! Best of luck to players + casters n' the like :>
Oh nice. :D Was wondering where you two will be hiding.
On April 13 2012 05:38 MLG_Adam wrote: So I'm guessing the Race Specific analyst addition is approved by the community? The idea is that after every Main Stream match the analysts will discuss the replay with the main casters. TvP will be QXC and Axlav, ZvT will be QXC and Sheth, etc etc.
Please dont. This will be so boring. IMHO you are just trying to hang on "unsuitable" casters because you like them personally. I mean why watching games with casters that dont comment on strategies, then watching it AGAIN with focus on strategies? Thats a waste of time (maybe thats even whatch you are aiming for, with only 8 players).
I mean you hav what i takes to watch the game LIVE with good strategy analysis. You got Grubby and qxc. They alone are entertaining and good in analysis. Sheth is good too (i only saw him once casting for NASL, therefore i cant say too much).
You put those "analysists" with 1 caster and let them cast the games. I really dont get it.
Pay 10 dollars for a small 8man invitational and at the same time competing with Dreamhack who will have a huge live audience bigger prices and just as good players and all free in HD. I really dont think MLG can compete here
I feel MLG did a huge mistake doing this at the same time as Dreamhack
On April 13 2012 05:38 MLG_Adam wrote: So I'm guessing the Race Specific analyst addition is approved by the community? The idea is that after every Main Stream match the analysts will discuss the replay with the main casters. TvP will be QXC and Axlav, ZvT will be QXC and Sheth, etc etc.
Please dont. This will be so boring. IMHO you are just trying to hang on "unsuitable" casters because you like them personally. I mean why watching games with casters that dont comment on strategies, then watching it AGAIN with focus on strategies? Thats a waste of time (maybe thats even whatch you are aiming for, with only 8 players).
I mean you hav what i takes to watch the game LIVE with good strategy analysis. You got Grubby and qxc. They alone are entertaining and good in analysis. Sheth is good too (i only saw him once casting for NASL, therefore i cant say too much).
You put those "analysists" with 1 caster and let them cast the games. I really dont get it.
They aren't going to go through the whole game again. I assume it'll be similar to what we had at the last arena but instead of getting Tastosis' thoughts on the game we'll get QXC/Sheth/Axslav's, with the replay being used to highlight certain points in the game.
I bought the last one, and I have a gold membership, but I think I'm going to have to pass on this one. 8 players is kinda limited (even if they are great). And frankly I enjoy seeing foreign hero's in showdowns with koreans. Even if they do lose 90% of the time. Watching Ret, Demuslim, or anyone else really do well is where the real joy is for me, and I know im not the only one.
But best of luck MLG, I hope this one is as big of a success.
On April 13 2012 05:38 MLG_Adam wrote: So I'm guessing the Race Specific analyst addition is approved by the community? The idea is that after every Main Stream match the analysts will discuss the replay with the main casters. TvP will be QXC and Axlav, ZvT will be QXC and Sheth, etc etc.
Please dont. This will be so boring. IMHO you are just trying to hang on "unsuitable" casters because you like them personally. I mean why watching games with casters that dont comment on strategies, then watching it AGAIN with focus on strategies? Thats a waste of time (maybe thats even whatch you are aiming for, with only 8 players).
I mean you hav what i takes to watch the game LIVE with good strategy analysis. You got Grubby and qxc. They alone are entertaining and good in analysis. Sheth is good too (i only saw him once casting for NASL, therefore i cant say too much).
You put those "analysists" with 1 caster and let them cast the games. I really dont get it.
They aren't going to go through the whole game again. I assume it'll be similar to what we had at the last arena but instead of getting Tastosis' thoughts on the game we'll get QXC/Sheth/Axslav's, with the replay being used to highlight certain points in the game.
i know they wont watch the whole game again, but still its waste of time. Why letting Rob and JP cast a game, then ater ask for strategy analysis from qxc etc? I mean qxc has proves to be fun, entertaining and good in casting (probaby even better than most of the "pro casters").
8 players but 18 hours of content? Don't see how that works out without spending half the time watching paint dry. I am glad you guys are trying things, and I hope MLG succeeds because 2011 was awesome, but so far 2012 has left me underwhelmed, either overpricing the first event (where I voted "no" with my money) or having an OK price point, but no content to speak of.
I'm definitely going to say no again, but I think even if the streams were free this time, I wouldn't bother to watch. The arena itself just doesn't seem exciting. Sorry, but good luck getting things figured out and hopefully I'll happily be shelling money out to you all soon.
There are 14 hours of pool play with 2 streams, so 28 games, so assuming 1 hour per Bo3 there is one group with all 8 players.
The bracket is hard to guess what it will be but there are 4 rounds and a max of two streams. My guess is that top 2 from pool go to winners bracket, 3-6 go to loser's bracket, and 7-8 are eliminated.
Then round 1 is LB round 1 (3 vs 6, 4 vs 5). Round 2 is Winner's Finals (1 vs 2) and LB round 2. Round 3 is the loser's bracket finals. Then the fourth round is obviously the grand finals.
This might be too simple for MLG's tastes but it's my best guess at their format.
Even though I understand some of the crisism, I feel there should be a bit more appreciation for what we're getting. So many negative 'why this why that' comments, it hurts my eyes reading it.
Thanks MLG, and all the other events - for pushing E-Sports and SC2. I like the idea with 3 players for in-between analysis and having the 4 streams just for real POV action.
The only thing we could 'complain' about imho, is having the luxury problem : (at least) 3 great events, MLG/DH/Day9 AHGL on the same weekend. Doesn't anyone remember when we couldn't watch jack $!#@ ? We've grown fast into having big events very often - and should be a bit more appreciative about it.. (read: complain less).
i'm really interested in axslav doing analysis. he always has such insightful comments when he streams, can't wait to see him in a professional setting.
On April 13 2012 05:38 MLG_Adam wrote: So I'm guessing the Race Specific analyst addition is approved by the community? The idea is that after every Main Stream match the analysts will discuss the replay with the main casters. TvP will be QXC and Axlav, ZvT will be QXC and Sheth, etc etc.
Please dont. This will be so boring. IMHO you are just trying to hang on "unsuitable" casters because you like them personally. I mean why watching games with casters that dont comment on strategies, then watching it AGAIN with focus on strategies? Thats a waste of time (maybe thats even whatch you are aiming for, with only 8 players).
I mean you hav what i takes to watch the game LIVE with good strategy analysis. You got Grubby and qxc. They alone are entertaining and good in analysis. Sheth is good too (i only saw him once casting for NASL, therefore i cant say too much).
You put those "analysists" with 1 caster and let them cast the games. I really dont get it.
They aren't going to go through the whole game again. I assume it'll be similar to what we had at the last arena but instead of getting Tastosis' thoughts on the game we'll get QXC/Sheth/Axslav's, with the replay being used to highlight certain points in the game.
He has a point tho. The last two MLG events have suffered quite a bit from caster setups where neither caster has anything analytical to say. I'm not hating on them here, but any combo made up out of Wheat/JP/Simpson/Tasteless lacks depth. I'm pretty sure we all noticed that last MLG. On the other hand, if you put someone like Wheat or Tasteless next to a pro and have them simply talk with them, asking them questions, the drill, you get much better commentary. Grubby is a great addition already, but if I was MLG I'd consider using the other 3 pro's aswell for actual commentary, especially for mirrors of specific races.
I don't dislike the analysis post game, but if possible I'd prefer it after a full series when a new player is setting up. I understand that there's a need for short breaks between series and sometimes also between games, and something is better than nothing.
there are more casters/analysts then players lol..
not sure if it's worth it to pay for an 8man tournament, it could be really umm.. boring? Or, it could be the greatest thing on earth. Oye meng, it's hard to decide if it's good or not.
On April 13 2012 07:03 Benjamin99 wrote: Pay 10 dollars for a small 8man invitational and at the same time competing with Dreamhack who will have a huge live audience bigger prices and just as good players and all free in HD. I really dont think MLG can compete here
I feel MLG did a huge mistake doing this at the same time as Dreamhack
No commercials, all games streamed, and top notch Korean players. Might be Dreamhacks mistake holding this at the same time as MLG.
On April 13 2012 07:03 Benjamin99 wrote: Pay 10 dollars for a small 8man invitational and at the same time competing with Dreamhack who will have a huge live audience bigger prices and just as good players and all free in HD. I really dont think MLG can compete here
I feel MLG did a huge mistake doing this at the same time as Dreamhack
No commercials, all games streamed, and top notch Korean players. Might be Dreamhacks mistake holding this at the same time as MLG.
On April 13 2012 07:03 Benjamin99 wrote: Pay 10 dollars for a small 8man invitational and at the same time competing with Dreamhack who will have a huge live audience bigger prices and just as good players and all free in HD. I really dont think MLG can compete here
I feel MLG did a huge mistake doing this at the same time as Dreamhack
No commercials, all games streamed, and top notch Korean players. Might be Dreamhacks mistake holding this at the same time as MLG.
Top notch Korean players we have seen so many times last few weeks.. IPL was a Korean overdose, i would like to see some games of them but all.... hmm no not really. Commercials? Really that big of a issue? Not for me, i dont watch the streams anyway when there are no games going on. And all games streamed.... yeah thats nice but we cant expect anything less if you only have 8 players and when you have many players you cant air them all (same for MLG winter championship)
90% thats gonna watch this Spring Arena 1 thing has a season pass, i dont see many people buying a pass just for this event.
If you have only 2 foreigners in your invitational and one of them turns it down for another event, then i think, it's kinda safe to say your doing something wrong.
The amount our community complains is really starting to get to me.
If MLG hadn't bothered trying these arenas and just continued with their normals live events then you wouldn't be hating on them would you? Or would you, because they aren't trying new things? Everyone says that MLG Championships test endurance probably more than skill, so they bring in these smaller Arenas for the ones who have proved to have the endurance to get to the top to test the skill of these players against each other. Yet now you complain that this Arena is too small. Also, I thought we would have got past the "no free stream, lolwtfMLG" comments. This is an extra tournament, all their normal free streams for the main championships still exist.
/rant
The $15 for gold members is really awesome. Also, I love the set up with analysts, I think it will really add to the viewing experience. The only question mark is Grubby, I love him and think he would be a fantastic caster - but DreamHack announced him as a player. Which tournament is going to get him?
On April 13 2012 07:03 Benjamin99 wrote: Pay 10 dollars for a small 8man invitational and at the same time competing with Dreamhack who will have a huge live audience bigger prices and just as good players and all free in HD. I really dont think MLG can compete here
I feel MLG did a huge mistake doing this at the same time as Dreamhack
No commercials, all games streamed, and top notch Korean players. Might be Dreamhacks mistake holding this at the same time as MLG.
not really. alot of foreigner stars are going to dreamhack
If Grubby is really ditching DH to cast the Spring Arena they better pay him really good. As much as I love his casting, I love seeing him compete a lot more. He always seems to improve and I bet he lvld up again after the code s level experience in his MLG group. Still, as long as he keeps playing it's fine and the Arena will benefit a lot from Grubby as a caster and I'm sure it will be a great experience.
On April 13 2012 07:03 Benjamin99 wrote: Pay 10 dollars for a small 8man invitational and at the same time competing with Dreamhack who will have a huge live audience bigger prices and just as good players and all free in HD. I really dont think MLG can compete here
I feel MLG did a huge mistake doing this at the same time as Dreamhack
No commercials, all games streamed, and top notch Korean players. Might be Dreamhacks mistake holding this at the same time as MLG.
What? You got Polt,Hero Stephano, Naniwa going to Dreamhack you kidding me right? And thats just the top players that we know. More will proberly be named soon
+ its free its got a live audience bigger prices + all the best foreigners.
You have to be a complet MLG fanboy to argue that MLG didnt do a huge mistake
On April 13 2012 07:03 Benjamin99 wrote: Pay 10 dollars for a small 8man invitational and at the same time competing with Dreamhack who will have a huge live audience bigger prices and just as good players and all free in HD. I really dont think MLG can compete here
I feel MLG did a huge mistake doing this at the same time as Dreamhack
No commercials, all games streamed, and top notch Korean players. Might be Dreamhacks mistake holding this at the same time as MLG.
Top notch Korean players we have seen so many times last few weeks.. IPL was a Korean overdose, i would like to see some games of them but all.... hmm no not really. Commercials? Really that big of a issue? Not for me, i dont watch the streams anyway when there are no games going on. And all games streamed.... yeah thats nice but we cant expect anything less if you only have 8 players and when you have many players you cant air them all (same for MLG winter championship)
90% thats gonna watch this Spring Arena 1 thing has a season pass, i dont see many people buying a pass just for this event.
If you have only 2 foreigners in your invitational and one of them turns it down for another event, then i think, it's kinda safe to say your doing something wrong.
They're only doing something wrong if you specifically like to see foreigners play for whatever reason. MLG's lineup is much more stacked--I mean even in your example, sure Naniwa decided to go to Dreamhack instead but he's being replaced by MC.
And he's probably going to Dreamhack more because he'd rather go to a tournament in Stockholm than in the U.S. So many other Swedes will be there too so I can imagine how that would be cool for him
On April 13 2012 07:03 Benjamin99 wrote: Pay 10 dollars for a small 8man invitational and at the same time competing with Dreamhack who will have a huge live audience bigger prices and just as good players and all free in HD. I really dont think MLG can compete here
I feel MLG did a huge mistake doing this at the same time as Dreamhack
No commercials, all games streamed, and top notch Korean players. Might be Dreamhacks mistake holding this at the same time as MLG.
What? You got Polt,Hero Stephano, Naniwa going to Dreamhack you kidding me right? And thats just the top players that we know. More will proberly be named soon
+ its free its got a live audience bigger prices + all the best foreigners.
You have to be a complet MLG fanboy to argue that MLG didnt do a huge mistake
Sorry if you think that those players compare to those at MLG Arena. I'm not watching it for a crowd or prize pool, I watch it to enjoy high level games.
And all the best foreigners, that is definitely a big selling point!
The thing Dreamhack has going for them is Dota2, and InControl, so I'll be tuning in to that as well.
Then the question is why did he ditch a DH participation and where he could post another good result for a casting experience, where he could do it later in an weekend without any major tournament?
On April 13 2012 05:51 Kraznaya wrote: Seems like a waste of time to fly only 8 players out to New York and host an event. This seems redundant with the second arena.
Pretty much this. Only reason this event is LAN because MLG knows they'll make profit from the PPV.
On April 13 2012 08:40 murtas wrote: Then the question is why did he ditch a DH participation and where he could post another good result for a casting experience, where he could do it later in an weekend without any major tournament?
As in everything in life, it's probably for money. There's no way Grubby will win Dreamhack so why not take a gig that probably pays him a crap ton of money to just talk.
On April 13 2012 05:59 Luftmensch wrote: I'm surprised and disappointed that MC's team SK, which is swedish, is letting him go to MLG instead of DH. Also Grubby is already announced as a player at DH so I don't know what's going on with that.
SK is a german based organisation as far as im aware.
On April 13 2012 06:55 Goshawk. wrote: Hard to get excited over an event lasting 3 days with only 8 players, with 2 days of playtime purely for seeding.
i agree. i love mlg but these events look like a little bit of overkill.
i would concentrate on less events, but sick ones.
It feels a bit lackluster for me and since the DH tournament is at the same time, I'll most likely skip this one and watch that instead.
On April 13 2012 09:16 BaconofWar wrote: Grubby? Something new, but definitely something I wish I could see. Stupid having to pay for E-sports content
What do you mean? Why should eSport content be free? I do prefer it being free (of course) but saying that it should be free just because it's eSport is stupid, if anything.
On April 13 2012 06:55 Goshawk. wrote: Hard to get excited over an event lasting 3 days with only 8 players, with 2 days of playtime purely for seeding.
On the other hand, the idea of watching 8 incredibly talented players is extremely exciting to me. Think of the stories, the back and forth, the tension between all 8 players as they all vie for a much more contested position amongst similarly ranked players! Watching a weekend full of really close games will be far more enjoyable for me than watching regular pool play where the top 4 are all seeded to never play each other. This is going to be some truly epic Starcraft.
That said, I'd want to limit this type of event to twice a year. 1 major event per month + GSL is already all I can handle.
7 streams holy hell this is what I dream about. Was honestly very disappointed with how IPL4 handled things having only 2 streams after being spoiled my MLG's four. Now 7...
I love watching first person view more than anything so this is beyond perfect, thank you MLG!
edit: Oh yeah and having MC replace Naniwa is amazing. I would much rather see MC than Naniwa tbqh.
On April 13 2012 06:55 Goshawk. wrote: Hard to get excited over an event lasting 3 days with only 8 players, with 2 days of playtime purely for seeding.
On the other hand, the idea of watching 8 incredibly talented players is extremely exciting to me. Think of the stories, the back and forth, the tension between all 8 players as they all vie for a much more contested position amongst similarly ranked players! Watching a weekend full of really close games will be far more enjoyable for me than watching regular pool play where the top 4 are all seeded to never play each other. This is going to be some truly epic Starcraft.
That said, I'd want to limit this type of event to twice a year. 1 major event per month + GSL is already all I can handle.
I lol-ed when I read the "tension" bit. This is going to be more of a holiday for the 8 players.
On April 13 2012 08:40 murtas wrote: Then the question is why did he ditch a DH participation and where he could post another good result for a casting experience, where he could do it later in an weekend without any major tournament?
If you were a pro gamer without a team, i think u would understand. sometimes your just happy when you can make some money "for free", and have a nice weekend in NY.
On April 13 2012 09:53 careohx wrote: 6 casters and 3 analyst for an 8 men torunament is a joke and mlg talks about not making any profit
Well if it´s used properly to REALLY use all that manpower to enrich the experience for the viewer - why not?
I hope they will keep the prices reasonable from now on. 10 dollars for events like this, I am willing to pay(assuming they will deliver high quality production and sc2 action - which they usually do). But no way in hell 20.
On April 13 2012 05:53 Hrrrrm wrote: So since there are only 8 players, would it be too much to ask for every single players POV to be streamed the entire event? You're already doing it for 4 players, why not the 4 left? So Huk fans can follow him the entire weekend and MKP fans can do the same. Then when their match gets on the main stage or secondary stage they can load that one as well if they would like commentary. Honestly it seems like a no brainer and I could see someone paying up just for that.
Every single match will be streamed, and every single match will have direct POV streams from the players.
So by streaming all players' direct POVs it's actually a real POV and not just locking the observer camera on the players using the in-game client, right?
Correct.
I'm curious how easy it will be to make sure the casting stream is perfectly synced up with the first-person POV camera stream, and how easy it will be to switch between each player's first-person POV on the fly (without losing sync). And whether this will be easy whether watching live or with the VODs.
Will the best workaround be to pause and unpause (really quickly) whichever stream looks to be ahead of the other, until it syncs up?
On April 13 2012 06:55 Goshawk. wrote: Hard to get excited over an event lasting 3 days with only 8 players, with 2 days of playtime purely for seeding.
On the other hand, the idea of watching 8 incredibly talented players is extremely exciting to me. Think of the stories, the back and forth, the tension between all 8 players as they all vie for a much more contested position amongst similarly ranked players! Watching a weekend full of really close games will be far more enjoyable for me than watching regular pool play where the top 4 are all seeded to never play each other. This is going to be some truly epic Starcraft.
That said, I'd want to limit this type of event to twice a year. 1 major event per month + GSL is already all I can handle.
I lol-ed when I read the "tension" bit. This is going to be more of a holiday for the 8 players.
Yeah, they're not gonna try their absolute hardest to win a few thousand bucks in a weekend. You're right
analysts :D such a great idea, I'm gonna be looking forward to that. Otherwise looks really solid, hopefully this will be another step in esports in general, trying to make them more professional and polished like broadcasts of regular sports are now
On April 13 2012 05:31 turdburgler wrote: since mlg is posting in this thread im curious. why does starcraft (which proved it can attract 'big' viewing numbers to mlg) get its first arena with a $15 price tag to even watch at all. and the fighting games which have had 1 mlg total get an arena which is free to watch and only $5 for HD.
unless im missunderstanding something it looks like starcraft is funding other games. is this the case?
FGC prize pool at arena is a lot smaller than the sc2 prize pool. Plus they're trying to attract the FGC market into watching MLG, so have to start at a lower price point.
but why did we have to prove it viable through 6+ mlg events of carrying mlg, and then a higher than 'needed' price point to prove viability, mlg then gives free hand outs to the fgc. if starcraft is supposed to prove it is commercially viable why does this not hold true for other games?
The FGC arena is completely funded by Sony. It is also a single day cast that will not have nearly the production values of the SC2 arena, nor any type of Pro Circuit tie in for rankings or prizes.
SC2 will have $110,000 in prize money in Spring Season plus 56 fully paid global trips.
if that's not supporting the players, idk what is.
these 8 players are pretty much the best of the best, its not like any foreighners would beat them anyways, one of these players would probaly win no matter how big the field.
I think a number individuals in this community need to learn the difference between constructive criticism and being a ass. I don't think its too much to ask for people to at least take the time to show a little respect to one another went commenting on an event that has yet to happen.
Wanted to chime in on the DH stuff. I can say that both sides feel pretty silly here. We both announced on the same day and there is no one to blame but ourselves. We thought we were avoiding their large announced events and had no clue about the new qualifier tour as they had no clue about our impending Arena event. Shame on us for not being more thorough. I will say that MLG and DH are now talking extensively and have shared schedules. We are also brainstorming on ways to have synergy between the events next weekend.
We are as unhappy about the conflict as many of you are. Based on recent conversations with them, I don't this being an issue again as both sides are committed to constant communication.
On April 13 2012 11:04 MLG_Adam wrote: Wanted to chime in on the DH stuff. I can say that both sides feel pretty silly here. We both announced on the same day and there is no one to blame but ourselves. We thought we were avoiding their large announced events and had no clue about the new qualifier tour as they had no clue about our impending Arena event. Shame on us for not being more thorough. I will say that MLG and DH are now talking extensively and have shared schedules. We are also brainstorming on ways to have synergy between the events next weekend.
We are as unhappy about the conflict as many of you are. Based on recent conversations with them, I don't this being an issue again as both sides are committed to constant communication.
You guys are awesome. I just thought you should know that. I'll definitely be watching the arena.
On April 13 2012 11:04 MLG_Adam wrote: Wanted to chime in on the DH stuff. I can say that both sides feel pretty silly here. We both announced on the same day and there is no one to blame but ourselves. We thought we were avoiding their large announced events and had no clue about the new qualifier tour as they had no clue about our impending Arena event. Shame on us for not being more thorough. I will say that MLG and DH are now talking extensively and have shared schedules. We are also brainstorming on ways to have synergy between the events next weekend.
We are as unhappy about the conflict as many of you are. Based on recent conversations with them, I don't this being an issue again as both sides are committed to constant communication.
You guys are awesome. I just thought you should know that. I'll definitely be watching the arena.
Thank you! We are trying very hard to fine tune the production so that every minute viewed is high quality. We have a long way to go, but we're trying to get better every time out. Thank you again for your support!
I wonder how pool play will work, is it just for seeds or only like top 4 advance into the money? Great to see grubby there though! He is an amazing caster.
Some thoughts: If naniwa was here he would probe rush through pool play If stephano was here he would forfeit pool play because he was tired 7 streams for an 8 player event? Couldn't MLG host a much less expensive tournament with way more players and hype if it was all online? My favorite part of the other MLG arena was with all of the different matches occuring at once I would always have constant content that I wanted to see - I like watching zerg players since I play zerg, and I could always switch to streams with zerg players playing and without other matches going on, now this won't be the case at all.
having only 8 players is, obviously, an absurd idea ... anyway, i'm sure i'll check a few games out.
as for everyone complaining about dreamhack and mlg being on the same weekend; you realize that you can watch both, right? there's this thing that internet browsers have called 'tabs'
it's a damn shame i have work that weekend other wise i'd definitely be barcrafting it up with my local barcraft group. players, casters, and analyst list is very impressive
On April 13 2012 11:52 goswser wrote: Some thoughts: If naniwa was here he would probe rush through pool play If stephano was here he would forfeit pool play because he was tired 7 streams for an 8 player event? Couldn't MLG host a much less expensive tournament with way more players and hype if it was all online? My favorite part of the other MLG arena was with all of the different matches occuring at once I would always have constant content that I wanted to see - I like watching zerg players since I play zerg, and I could always switch to streams with zerg players playing and without other matches going on, now this won't be the case at all.
online tournaments are just not good. cross server play ruins everything.
On April 13 2012 11:52 goswser wrote: Some thoughts: If naniwa was here he would probe rush through pool play If stephano was here he would forfeit pool play because he was tired 7 streams for an 8 player event? Couldn't MLG host a much less expensive tournament with way more players and hype if it was all online? My favorite part of the other MLG arena was with all of the different matches occuring at once I would always have constant content that I wanted to see - I like watching zerg players since I play zerg, and I could always switch to streams with zerg players playing and without other matches going on, now this won't be the case at all.
lol so nitpicky.
More streams the better? There is another arena next month that is just like the last one. Still 2 top zergs that you will see plenty of matches from with their perspective too. Online tournaments are nothing compared to live ones.
Chillax. Also, where the hell does it say pool play is meaningless? I don't see anything that says that and if I had to guess I would assume that either only the top 4 will make it out of pool play or the top 4 will be in winners bracket and the bottom 4 will start in losers bracket.
Even when you kids get spoiled you complain, embarrassing.
On April 13 2012 11:52 goswser wrote: Some thoughts: If naniwa was here he would probe rush through pool play If stephano was here he would forfeit pool play because he was tired
Don't think they fully announced the format, but extended series should remove any incentive to do this?
and they want me to pay for 15$ (with gold membership) for this shit? 8 players? No thank you goodbye. I also hope MLG didn't do this arena just because they felt pressured.
On April 13 2012 14:28 lowreezy08 wrote: and they want me to pay for 15$ (with gold membership) for this shit? 8 players? No thank you goodbye. I also hope MLG didn't do this arena just because they felt pressured.
no, you pay $15 for this arena, the second spring arena and HD for the qualifiers for the second arena.
On April 13 2012 14:28 lowreezy08 wrote: and they want me to pay for 15$ (with gold membership) for this shit? 8 players? No thank you goodbye. I also hope MLG didn't do this arena just because they felt pressured.
no, you pay $15 for this arena, the second spring arena and HD for the qualifiers for the second arena.
no to what? I know this herpderp... but this arena is part of the 15$ package and an 8 man arena doesn't appeal to me. Also if I didn't have gold it would be 30$ which is even more insane.
On April 13 2012 14:28 lowreezy08 wrote: and they want me to pay for 15$ (with gold membership) for this shit? 8 players? No thank you goodbye. I also hope MLG didn't do this arena just because they felt pressured.
no, you pay $15 for this arena, the second spring arena and HD for the qualifiers for the second arena.
no to what? I know this herpderp... but this arena is part of the 15$ package and an 8 man arena doesn't appeal to me. Also if I didn't have gold it would be 30$ which is even more insane.
your original post comes off like this arena costs $15 when it doesnt. Its part of a package for $15. if you dont think the two arena's and HD for the qualifiers are worth your $15, dont buy it. simple as that.
Day[9] already posted in this thread - he said that he and Husky will be casting the After Hours Gaming League finals on one of the weekend days, which is why it's not even possible for them to work the arena.
On April 13 2012 05:30 Canucklehead wrote: What's going on with Day9? He's not casting at dreamhack or the arena that weekend. MLG only has budget to hire Day9 for the main MLGs or what? Disappointing to not have day9 at the arenas.
no reason to massively overpay for a caster that nonfanboys dont like
Seems a little bizarre that its just an 8 man tournament that you have to pay 10 dollars for. Doesn't really seem like its worth the content. I guess i'll find out.
On April 13 2012 15:44 ReachTheSky wrote: Seems a little bizarre that its just an 8 man tournament that you have to pay 10 dollars for. Doesn't really seem like its worth the content. I guess i'll find out.
their idea isn't to sell this as a single event, but rather as part of the spring championship package which is $30 for all the spring events (2 PPV arenas, and HD for the qualifiers and Championship event) and $15 for gold members.
Hmm, I just find I can't care about this tournament at all. Sort of reminds me of the AoL's from GSL which are a nice idea and all, but they just shouldn't expect anything near the fervour of other tournaments.
MLG's not dumb though, I'm pretty sure they know this isn't going to get the same level of hype...pretty sure...
We dont need this arena. Whats the point of having tournaments every weekend. Its not like a footballmatch thats 90 minutes. These tournaments take whole days and production is often bad so it takes even longer time etc. We want quality, not quantity.
On April 13 2012 17:29 Fjodorov wrote: We dont need this arena. Whats the point of having tournaments every weekend. Its not like a footballmatch thats 90 minutes. These tournaments take whole days and production is often bad so it takes even longer time etc. We want quality, not quantity.
arenas are pretty damn high quality. hope MKP takes it! MC, PartinG and MKP still have code S, hopefully this isn't too bad for them in terms of prep
On April 13 2012 11:04 MLG_Adam wrote: Wanted to chime in on the DH stuff. I can say that both sides feel pretty silly here. We both announced on the same day and there is no one to blame but ourselves. We thought we were avoiding their large announced events and had no clue about the new qualifier tour as they had no clue about our impending Arena event. Shame on us for not being more thorough. I will say that MLG and DH are now talking extensively and have shared schedules. We are also brainstorming on ways to have synergy between the events next weekend.
We are as unhappy about the conflict as many of you are. Based on recent conversations with them, I don't this being an issue again as both sides are committed to constant communication.
May I say it's a bit weird you do that now and not after the first Arena ? Because the problem was here too. :<
Is the event going to be in the MLG office in Manathan again by the way ?
On April 13 2012 11:04 MLG_Adam wrote: Wanted to chime in on the DH stuff. I can say that both sides feel pretty silly here. We both announced on the same day and there is no one to blame but ourselves. We thought we were avoiding their large announced events and had no clue about the new qualifier tour as they had no clue about our impending Arena event. Shame on us for not being more thorough. I will say that MLG and DH are now talking extensively and have shared schedules. We are also brainstorming on ways to have synergy between the events next weekend.
We are as unhappy about the conflict as many of you are. Based on recent conversations with them, I don't this being an issue again as both sides are committed to constant communication.
May I say it's a bit weird you do that now and not after the first Arena ? Because the problem was here too. :<
Is the event going to be in the MLG office in Manathan again by the way ?
the previous event conflicted with assembly, not DH. mlg didnt know of the new DH opens (no one did really).
didnt read anything except the first page, but all i can say is fuck yeah Grubby!
glad they have a better pricing now compared to the winter arena, 10$ is almost a non brainer like ipl4 for 5€ (+ a month worth of ipl content though) considering the whole spring deal as well, cannot wait.
MLG is doing this because the want more regular content, and unless its online, there is no way other, only GSL can do this because of how Esports is in Korea.
And people, last year we had 5 events, Dallas, Columbus, Anahiem, Orlando and Providence, now this year the major live events are - Winter, Spring, Summer, Autumn.
So they removed 1 major live event, heavily boosted the other price pools and added 4 32 player arenas, 1 8man arena (so far), and you think all the arenas combined dont make up for 1 extra live event?
I do agree it seems slightly redundant to have 8players for 3 days, but if the time isnt like "13 hours a day" then thats good, because one problem people have when watching these events like MLG, IPL, is if you don't live in the country hosting it, you miss so much unless you pull an all nighter.
I would have thought about it (even though I think 10 dollars for an 8 man tournament is still very experiensive) if it hadn't collided with dreamhack. Sorry, there's no way an 8 man tournament which costs money will draw me over from a much bigger tournament which is free.
Dont get to excited, i dont believe it. If you prefer casting a small event instead of playing in one of the biggest event in Europe then your not going 100% for it. Doesn't make sense to do that if your focused on gaming, especially for a player like Grubby who needs as much matches as he can get since he still relatively new to the game. What does Grubby gain from casting at this MLG event as a player? Right nothing, but he does secure a spot for future events as a caster.
It doesn't ad up, it does when you consider he's gonna retire soon, or he has to have physical problems that he cant play, otherwise forget Grubby as a 100% pro player.
On April 13 2012 14:28 lowreezy08 wrote: and they want me to pay for 15$ (with gold membership) for this shit? 8 players? No thank you goodbye. I also hope MLG didn't do this arena just because they felt pressured.
no, you pay $15 for this arena, the second spring arena and HD for the qualifiers for the second arena.
no to what? I know this herpderp... but this arena is part of the 15$ package and an 8 man arena doesn't appeal to me. Also if I didn't have gold it would be 30$ which is even more insane.
your original post comes off like this arena costs $15 when it doesnt. Its part of a package for $15. if you dont think the two arena's and HD for the qualifiers are worth your $15, dont buy it. simple as that.
comes off? It's a piece of text, I didn't know I could come off as something. I'm not going to buy it and I sure don't need your input as to wether I should or not.
On April 13 2012 20:24 M7Jagger wrote: Why the hell does naniwa decides to participate in Dreamhack instead of MLG?
Maybe one or more of these reasons:
1. Want to meet and play in front of the Swedish Fans. 2. Want to achieve one of his goals "I want to win DreamHack". 3. Want to play in front of a crowd with 2 300 people. 4. Want to qualify for DH Winter with a prize pool of 550 000 SEK (You have to get Top2 in one of the DH events or get enough points to qualify for DH Winter). 5. Want to win 150 000 SEK Edit: 70 000 SEK (Total prize pool is 150 000 SEK)
On April 13 2012 20:24 M7Jagger wrote: Why the hell does naniwa decides to participate in Dreamhack instead of MLG?
Maybe one or more of these reasons:
1. Want to meet and play in front of the Swedish Fans. 2. Want to achieve one of his goals "I want to win DreamHack". 3. Want to play in front of a crowd with 2 300 people. 4. Want to qualify for DH Winter with a prize pool of 550 000 SEK (You have to get Top2 in one of the DH events or get enough points to qualify for DH Winter). 5. Want to win 150 000 SEK.
I see. I had no idea the prize pool was so huge (im swedish i know how much that is). I Though it was only 50k or something like that.
On April 13 2012 20:24 M7Jagger wrote: Why the hell does naniwa decides to participate in Dreamhack instead of MLG?
Maybe one or more of these reasons:
1. Want to meet and play in front of the Swedish Fans. 2. Want to achieve one of his goals "I want to win DreamHack". 3. Want to play in front of a crowd with 2 300 people. 4. Want to qualify for DH Winter with a prize pool of 550 000 SEK (You have to get Top2 in one of the DH events or get enough points to qualify for DH Winter). 5. Want to win 150 000 SEK.
On April 13 2012 20:24 M7Jagger wrote: Why the hell does naniwa decides to participate in Dreamhack instead of MLG?
Because naniwa is Swedish and he likes to play on hometurf? In all probability.
and just maybe cause Dreamhack is a bigger event which he can win?
No way Dreamhack is bigger. Yes there are more players, but the competition is much bigger in MLG. Hardly no koreans in Dreamhack.
More players. more fans in the DH arena, more online viewers, more prize money. Koreans are not that important, if they wanna come they can come. I don't understand how can an event have more casters/analysts than players. Massive overkill.
Seems like a better deal than the Vinter arena, and once again sick sick line-up of players. What timezone are those times in? EST? In that case i can't really watch it because of timezones, so probably wont be paying for this if i can't see it live.
So is the pool play just for seeding then? cause you basically have 2 groups of 4 or four groups of 2(which would be stupid lol) or do the top 2 advance out group play?
On April 13 2012 20:24 M7Jagger wrote: Why the hell does naniwa decides to participate in Dreamhack instead of MLG?
You from sweden and you dont know?
Well maybe becuase Dreamhack is one of the biggest tournament in the world while this MLG arena are just a small expensive 8man invitational. Its also in Sweden where it will have a huge crowd of swedish sc2 fans
On April 13 2012 23:21 Benjamin99 wrote: Beside MKP and DRG who are bigger or better then Polt,Naniwa,Stephano and Hero? And that just the players we know more will come
Is this even a serious question? There is a player that will be at Arena 1, but I forgot who his name is. #1 on the SC2 earnings list, past DH winner, HSC4 winner, IEM 4 WC winner, and 2 time GSL winner... Those are some pretty big results.
Will DH be great as usual? Absolutely, and we will know more about the lineup soon. However, don't pretend like Arena 1 only has MKP and DRG to hang its hat on.
Wow, this is gonna be sick! I like the small, intimate format. Some sick players, GREAT casters (fuck yeah grubby). Only $10? bargain for sure. Onwards and upwards MLG!
On April 13 2012 05:38 MLG_Adam wrote: So I'm guessing the Race Specific analyst addition is approved by the community? The idea is that after every Main Stream match the analysts will discuss the replay with the main casters. TvP will be QXC and Axlav, ZvT will be QXC and Sheth, etc etc.
Please dont. This will be so boring. IMHO you are just trying to hang on "unsuitable" casters because you like them personally. I mean why watching games with casters that dont comment on strategies, then watching it AGAIN with focus on strategies? Thats a waste of time (maybe thats even whatch you are aiming for, with only 8 players).
I mean you hav what i takes to watch the game LIVE with good strategy analysis. You got Grubby and qxc. They alone are entertaining and good in analysis. Sheth is good too (i only saw him once casting for NASL, therefore i cant say too much).
You put those "analysists" with 1 caster and let them cast the games. I really dont get it.
They aren't going to go through the whole game again. I assume it'll be similar to what we had at the last arena but instead of getting Tastosis' thoughts on the game we'll get QXC/Sheth/Axslav's, with the replay being used to highlight certain points in the game.
He has a point tho. The last two MLG events have suffered quite a bit from caster setups where neither caster has anything analytical to say. I'm not hating on them here, but any combo made up out of Wheat/JP/Simpson/Tasteless lacks depth. I'm pretty sure we all noticed that last MLG. On the other hand, if you put someone like Wheat or Tasteless next to a pro and have them simply talk with them, asking them questions, the drill, you get much better commentary. Grubby is a great addition already, but if I was MLG I'd consider using the other 3 pro's aswell for actual commentary, especially for mirrors of specific races.
I don't dislike the analysis post game, but if possible I'd prefer it after a full series when a new player is setting up. I understand that there's a need for short breaks between series and sometimes also between games, and something is better than nothing.
Tasteless knows what he's talking about he's not a gold noobie usually when he casts though it's with Artosis which is going to happen here and he provides the analyticl side of the commentary during the game/after Also there isn't a need for more casters, and I don't like this Analysts thing it's "meh" and only 8 players is kinda disappointing.
Just purchased the season HD pass, love the $15 price for us gold members. Analysis section is a nice idea, I personally love it as it shows a newcomer or mainstream media the depth of skill and strategy involved in the game. Keep up the good work MLG!
On April 13 2012 23:21 Benjamin99 wrote: Beside MKP and DRG who are bigger or better then Polt,Naniwa,Stephano and Hero? And that just the players we know more will come
Is this even a serious question? There is a player that will be at Arena 1, but I forgot who his name is. #1 on the SC2 earnings list, past DH winner, HSC4 winner, IEM 4 WC winner, and 2 time GSL winner... Those are some pretty big results.
Will DH be great as usual? Absolutely, and we will know more about the lineup soon. However, don't pretend like Arena 1 only has MKP and DRG to hang its hat on.
Spring Arena 1 has skilled players, but it made two big mistakes:
* Schedule conflict with Dreamhack. They know this, and is trying to fix it for future events.
* Lack of big names from the foreigner's scene - other than HuK, that is, but he doesn't have the fanbase that Stephano, IdrA, etc. have. Foreigner tournaments thrive on foreigner vs. Korean rivalry. GSL does the Korean vs. Korean rivalry better, and is free besides.
It was, however, a good move to package it with the second arena, which is a lot bigger. I'm personally not willing to shell out the $ for Spring Arena 1, but Spring Arena 2 is tempting, and there's no way to buy that by itself.
A stand-alone PPV eight player tournament is not easy to sell. I think to get me to pay for that, the organizer has to invite a very appealing line-up, and toss in features that make the tournament stand out - ie a special maps mini-tournament, monetized FFAs, players from regions we don't see in other tournaments, etc.
People will vote with their eyeballs. Some want to see the better players play, some want to see their fan favourites. There is no right or wrong answer.
People will vote with their eyeballs. Some want to see the better players play, some want to see their fan favourites. There is no right or wrong answer.
This...
I can't understand why every time MLG announces anything, people have to lose their ever loving minds. I personally prefer some tournaments over others, but I don't feel the need to rip every other tournament.
MLG puts out a good product, so does Dreamhack. Sucks that they are at the same time, but I believe that was explained earlier in the thread.
also, just noticed the MLG Spring arena countdown. Happy to see it advertised on TL :D
edit: disappointed with the small player pool
edit2: quit trying to get people to give you guys things for free. YES, we know there's free content out there. BUT this is what we want to watch. I honestly may watch more MLG arena than Dreamhack that weekend.
On April 14 2012 04:33 YourGoodFriend wrote: Seeing a movie at your local theater: 7-10$
Length of movie: 2-3 hours
does the theater/movie creater care about your opinion: No
One weekend of MLG coverage: 10$
Amount of coverage: over 24 hours (worth of watching time that one person can consume at one time)
Does the company care about your opinion: Yes
Do they answer your questions on a forum really fast: Yes
Does the owner of the company directly implement suggestions and talk to the consumers: Yes
What are we complaining about again?
Thanks once again MLG for giving us awesome games and at a reasonable price.
Sincerely, guy who has a job, money, and a brain.
amount spent on that movie being produced? multi millions amount spent on MLG arena? In the thousands
Worst comparison ever, no relevance at all.
amount of people watching movie? multi millions amount of people watching MLG arena? in the thousands.
Do I need to repeat myself again? amount invested into the movie? multi millions amount invested into mlg arena? in the thousands
simple logic.
and was my post not simple logic as well? The reason millions are spent of movies and they cost $10 is because millions of people watch them. So while MLG arena's are cheaper to produce than movies, they aren't being watched by millions, but rather thousands of people.
And in the end it doesn't really matter because for MY $10 I am getting far more content out of a MLG weekend than I am from a 2 hour movie.
On April 14 2012 04:33 YourGoodFriend wrote: Seeing a movie at your local theater: 7-10$
Length of movie: 2-3 hours
does the theater/movie creater care about your opinion: No
One weekend of MLG coverage: 10$
Amount of coverage: over 24 hours (worth of watching time that one person can consume at one time)
Does the company care about your opinion: Yes
Do they answer your questions on a forum really fast: Yes
Does the owner of the company directly implement suggestions and talk to the consumers: Yes
What are we complaining about again?
Thanks once again MLG for giving us awesome games and at a reasonable price.
Sincerely, guy who has a job, money, and a brain.
amount spent on that movie being produced? multi millions amount spent on MLG arena? In the thousands
Worst comparison ever, no relevance at all.
amount of people watching movie? multi millions amount of people watching MLG arena? in the thousands.
Do I need to repeat myself again? amount invested into the movie? multi millions amount invested into mlg arena? in the thousands
simple logic.
and was my post not simple logic as well? The reason millions are spent of movies and they cost $10 is because millions of people watch them. So while MLG arena's are cheaper to produce than movies, they aren't being watched by millions, but rather thousands of people.
And in the end it doesn't really matter because for MY $10 I am getting far more content out of a MLG weekend than I am from a 2 hour movie.
Sorry im not going to talk to someone who clearly doesn't know what I'm stating. And in the end I could really care less about your 10$ and getting a much lower quality production.
I would love to buy this but I dont feel like I can support MLG if they arent going to release the replays of the winter championship...I paid 70$ to play in it and I would at least like the replays of the games =(
People keep saying "MLG is shit for putting it on the same weekend as Dreamhack". Well, this is as much Dreamhacks as it is MLGs, please stop going on MLG for no reason whatsoever.
This is extra content they're trying to add to get more regular content, and not only a big live event every 3 months.
And everyone else who isn't bashing MLG, stop bashing Dreamhack, that event is gonna have great games aswell.
Also keep in mind that MLG flies all their players to NYC and back to whereever they came from. Dreamhack is a completely open tournament, and all players have to pay to get there, this alone is a good reasoning for the extra price.
By the way for who is the GSL really free for? for people in Europe, you can't watch it unless its in the weekend or if you dont have school/work, since its between 9-12 in the morning. And im not sure how it is in the US, but for me, GSL is NOT free, and so is it for the majority of people, Arena of Legends isn't free either.
On April 14 2012 10:24 SupeR z wrote: I would love to buy this but I dont feel like I can support MLG if they arent going to release the replays of the winter championship...I paid 70$ to play in it and I would at least like the replays of the games =(
Don't they useally release replays a month or so later?
On April 14 2012 10:24 SupeR z wrote: I would love to buy this but I dont feel like I can support MLG if they arent going to release the replays of the winter championship...I paid 70$ to play in it and I would at least like the replays of the games =(
Don't they useally release replays a month or so later?
A MONTH?!?!?!?!?!? By that time those replays will be completely DATED AND USELESS!
On April 14 2012 10:34 onedayclose wrote: Day9 and Husky doing AHGL Grand Finals. Its too bad that other tournament organizations took too damn long to announce their tournament dates.
I am pretty sure it was all worked out before hand. Its not like they didn't ask Day9 or Husky what they were doing.
Everyone in the SC2 community does not need to be at every tournament.
On April 14 2012 10:26 Hiea wrote: Also keep in mind that MLG flies all their players to NYC and back to whereever they came from. Dreamhack is a completely open tournament, and all players have to pay to get there, this alone is a good reasoning for the extra price.
Why the hell is this a feather in MLG's cap? Granted it's great for the players and teams, but why on earth does it make a difference to the audience. If MLG can't create a tournament attractive enough or teams to ship their players out then that's hard luck. Why should the viewing public be made to feel obligated to foot the bill for plane tickets? As if it's a charity or something.
The fact that Dreamhack doesn't pay for plane tickets and yet top level players make an apperance shows that if the tournament's prizepool is attractive players will come.
I will not be paying for the first Spring Arena because paying to watch 8 players in a tournament over 3 days seems like a really boring tournament. Not to mention the fact that there is another tournament going on at the weekend that is free and contains a large and diverse line up (and in my opinion it has a better casting line up, Tasteosis & Grubby aside).
This is not to say that I won't look into getting a ticket for the second Spring Arena, as I enjoyed the Winter Arena plenty (And I paid for it, didn't watch a restream or use the workaround).
I don't understand why MLG doesn't offer free standard quality streams. There is an abundance of other free SC2 content that I don't have to pay for. I can afford $10, but I prefer to give my money to companies that are more focused on growing e-sports like IPL/GSL.
I only wish they would release the first bracket placements sooner, just for these 8-man invitational games. My friends and I have our own SC2 Fantasy League, so the more time available to research players, the better.
I'm very happy with how MLG is running things, and while deciding the brackets so early may not be possible - we still have a lot of fun. Thank you MLG. Between Spring Arena and DreamHack, we'll be watching Spring Arena.
** Edit: To the users complaining about 10-30$... That is a very small cost to watch these events. Events that cost a lot of money to organize. If it helps, visualize your proceedings going to the money needed to pay for the player prizes (such as the 4 'all expenses paid ' trips).
So this is like the winter arena where people had to have ppv to view right? It's not like MLG Anaheim or Colombus. No convention centre where it's being held at right ?
On April 16 2012 03:28 Dontkillme wrote: So this is like the winter arena where people had to have ppv to view right? It's not like MLG Anaheim or Colombus. No convention centre where it's being held at right ?
Yep, just like it but less people. $30 for all the events is pretty fair and worth it I feel.
On April 16 2012 03:18 Mikfly wrote: I only wish they would release the first bracket placements sooner, just for these 8-man invitational games. My friends and I have our own SC2 Fantasy League, so the more time available to research players, the better.
I'm very happy with how MLG is running things, and while deciding the brackets so early may not be possible - we still have a lot of fun. Thank you MLG. Between Spring Arena and DreamHack, we'll be watching Spring Arena.
** Edit: To the users complaining about 10-30$... That is a very small cost to watch these events. Events that cost a lot of money to organize. If it helps, visualize your proceedings going to the money needed to pay for the player prizes (such as the 4 'all expenses paid ' trips).
well from my understanding, its gonna be one giant group where everyone plays everyone else and that will determine the bracket. so its not that mlg is hiding its bracket, they just don't know it yet.
On April 15 2012 20:15 Schnippy wrote: I hope they have low viewer for that mlg and make a free streem the next mlg xD
They would probably just cut the event. If the freemium model isnt making them a profit (and its making no one a profit) and certain PPV events are making a profit then they will just cut those.
On April 15 2012 20:15 Schnippy wrote: I hope they have low viewer for that mlg and make a free streem the next mlg xD
I'm not gonna lie, I kind of hope the same, I'm such a sc2 fan so it hurts to admit to hoping it fails, but the last thing I want is the scene working it's way into 50$ PPV's as if this was HBO or a UFC/Boxing fight. IPL hit the sweet spot with 5$ and I would probably go as high as 10$(I'm broke) for the winter/summer events, but anymore and they would just be hurting their viewer count too much for it to be worth it. But I also understand running these events cost a lot and paying the players cost a lot and it's always like multiple hours of entertainment so it's a hard thing to call.
we're going to have 14 hours of pool play between 8 players, and then we'll still have a winners bracket with 4 rounds, indicating that 8 players will advance. So what's the point of the 14 hours of pool play?
On April 13 2012 05:38 MLG_Adam wrote: So I'm guessing the Race Specific analyst addition is approved by the community? The idea is that after every Main Stream match the analysts will discuss the replay with the main casters. TvP will be QXC and Axlav, ZvT will be QXC and Sheth, etc etc.
Sounds like a good idea, as long as you give them enough time to say what's on their mind, and not just a 10 sec sweep to the analyst desk. Had the feeling of it being very rushed the last time around.
I don't think it was as much rushed as the casters don't have enough knowledge to give in depth analysis, especially not if three of the casters are JP, Rob and Wheat and Tasteless, no hate to them but they are play by play casters.
well from my understanding, its gonna be one giant group where everyone plays everyone else and that will determine the bracket. so its not that mlg is hiding its bracket, they just don't know it yet.
That makes sense, and I hope one day MLG will consider running the pool play in advance.
we're going to have 14 hours of pool play between 8 players, and then we'll still have a winners bracket with 4 rounds, indicating that 8 players will advance. So what's the point of the 14 hours of pool play?
IMO MLG should a) offer a yearly pass I had no problem buying GSL yr but don't like being nickle and dimed to death or screwing around with paypal too much. Every time I spend money I don't like it, so you better get me all at once. b) specify exactly what events will be held and format.
No free stream? This isn't about "making eSports bigger" this is all about MLG making maximum profit off of the fans of this game while they still can.
On April 16 2012 13:15 TORTOISE wrote: No free stream? This isn't about "making eSports bigger" this is all about MLG making maximum profit off of the fans of this game while they still can.
Disgusting.
says the guy who is too cheap to pay ten dollars to support eSports.
MLG Really Dropping The Ball Here. 8 Man tournament -_- More people viewing matches than playing them -_-
The last event sure I didn't want to pay for it because I think you guys waste money like our politicians, but it had a sick field, and I knew you guys would run a solid event and it was good, but not because 8 of those players were statistically better than the rest, but because everyone had a fighting chance to win it and the top talent there was a big representation from each region. Now, on the cusp of BW players coming over you're creating a non-major type event just to fund your company. The foreign scene will collapse from this type of stuff and perhaps that will be a good thing back to white people in Korea again I guess, because MLG can't make a solid season here thats for damn sure.
MLG is killing esports? im confused. I dont think you understand the fact that these people need to make money or they cant have tournaments and they want to have the best possible production to make esports look professional and that means no ads (ipl had 5 minute advertisements, i wouldve rather paid 10$.) MLG is the best outside of Korea, cant deny it. MLG will make esports relevant in America, like it or not. I will pay 15$ for all spring events, just like i paid for a gold membership and winter arena, because it helps MLG which in turn makes esports in america much better because MLG is American esports( esports isnt just starcraft)
On April 16 2012 12:51 tdt wrote: IMO MLG should a) offer a yearly pass I had no problem buying GSL yr but don't like being nickle and dimed to death or screwing around with paypal too much. Every time I spend money I don't like it, so you better get me all at once. b) specify exactly what events will be held and format.
i think the reason they aren't doing a yearly pass is because they aren't sure what the format is gonna be for the summer and fall seasons. not sure if we will get a yearly pass type subscription this year at all. it would be nice though.
On April 16 2012 13:36 TommyP wrote: MLG is killing esports? im confused. I dont think you understand the fact that these people need to make money or they cant have tournaments and they want to have the best possible production to make esports look professional and that means no ads (ipl had 5 minute advertisements, i wouldve rather paid 10$.) MLG is the best outside of Korea, cant deny it. MLG will make esports relevant in America, like it or not. I will pay 15$ for all spring events, just like i paid for a gold membership and winter arena, because it helps MLG which in turn makes esports in america much better because MLG is American esports( esports isnt just starcraft)
They are not entitled to more money for less product than competition (ipl for example). Consumers are not running a charity with thier hard earned money.
On April 16 2012 13:36 TommyP wrote: MLG is killing esports? im confused. I dont think you understand the fact that these people need to make money or they cant have tournaments and they want to have the best possible production to make esports look professional and that means no ads (ipl had 5 minute advertisements, i wouldve rather paid 10$.) MLG is the best outside of Korea, cant deny it. MLG will make esports relevant in America, like it or not. I will pay 15$ for all spring events, just like i paid for a gold membership and winter arena, because it helps MLG which in turn makes esports in america much better because MLG is American esports( esports isnt just starcraft)
They are not entitled to more money for less product than competition (ipl for example). Consumers are not running a charity with thier hard earned money.
8 players? $15? You must be a fanatic.
except he isnt spending $15 on this tournament. He is spending $15 on this tournament, hd for the qualifiers and for arena 2.
MLG doesn't want to sell single events. They want to sell season passes. This arena is more to add content to the spring pass.
MLG is asking for $90 a year (gold membership plus the season passes come out to $90). IPL wants $5 a month which is $60 a year. So while MLG is more, they also are putting on more live events. Its pretty comparable.
This is another "test" arena to see how the willing-to-PPV SC2 fans will respond to a small lineup of top players (ie small lineup means less money spent to fly players out). If MLG gets the same response as the winter arena then you'll see more of the spring arena type of tournament.
I think MLG is going the wrong way with this setup though. Fans want to watch epic games that mean something. 8 players in group and all of them advance to the round of 8 (lol) means the players won't show their best games until the last day and will probably treat this as a free vacation.
On April 16 2012 13:15 TORTOISE wrote: No free stream? This isn't about "making eSports bigger" this is all about MLG making maximum profit off of the fans of this game while they still can.
Disgusting.
says the guy who is too cheap to pay ten dollars to support eSports.
Hypocrite.
Pff that is the same line MLG uses in it's array of MARKETING STATEMENTS.
THE GSL, GOMTV and every other tournamnet in the world actually CARES about COMMUNITY ACCESSIBILTY - LIVE!!!! - as they know , IT IS NOT SMART TO UPSET POSSIBLE FUTURE BUYERS OF THEIR PRODUCTS/SPONSOR'S PRODUCTS.
MLG have dug themselves into a hole I cant see them ever getting out of.
On April 16 2012 13:15 TORTOISE wrote: No free stream? This isn't about "making eSports bigger" this is all about MLG making maximum profit off of the fans of this game while they still can.
Disgusting.
says the guy who is too cheap to pay ten dollars to support eSports.
Hypocrite.
Pff that is the same line MLG uses in it's array of MARKETING STATEMENTS.
THE GSL, GOMTV and every other tournamnet in the world actually CARES about COMMUNITY ACCESSIBILTY - LIVE!!!! - as they know , IT IS NOT SMART TO UPSET POSSIBLE FUTURE BUYERS OF THEIR PRODUCTS/SPONSOR'S PRODUCTS.
MLG have dug themselves into a hole I cant see them ever getting out of.
They are a disgrace of esports.
Esports isnt just about money.
wat. you and a few other people are part of a vocal minority complaining about this. you don't have to buy this. it's like an extra event to go along with the championship events which are free.
ps. typing your message in half capital letters doesn't make your point any more right.
Well the price isn't too bad if u get the bundled Spring Arenas 1 & 2 for $15 (already gold), but $30 without gold is kinda steep. My main issue is that it's an 8 player tournament over 3 days. Wth? Is pool play best of 5 or something? There's gotta be some pretty good filler content with the analysts, etc., but certain analysts will have to stop being super biased.
On April 16 2012 13:15 TORTOISE wrote: No free stream? This isn't about "making eSports bigger" this is all about MLG making maximum profit off of the fans of this game while they still can.
Disgusting.
says the guy who is too cheap to pay ten dollars to support eSports.
Hypocrite.
Pff that is the same line MLG uses in it's array of MARKETING STATEMENTS.
THE GSL, GOMTV and every other tournamnet in the world actually CARES about COMMUNITY ACCESSIBILTY - LIVE!!!! - as they know , IT IS NOT SMART TO UPSET POSSIBLE FUTURE BUYERS OF THEIR PRODUCTS/SPONSOR'S PRODUCTS.
MLG have dug themselves into a hole I cant see them ever getting out of.
They are a disgrace of esports.
Esports isnt just about money.
esports isn't about just the money? For many of us that is true, its the passion for the game that lets us play for hours on end with no real prize at the end. However, what organizations such as GSL, IPL, and MLG are trying to do is find some form of sustainable business model so that one day in the future, we'll be able to continue watching these pros play it out. It has been stated countless times by everyone working in the industry (find previous threads about this) that every single live event has turned into a deficit. Companies like IPL and MLG are running these deficits in order to have an attempt at becoming profitable while still providing a product that many of us enjoy, and then one day in the future have the chance to actually make some money from these events.
I do not understand where you get the idea that MLG does not care about its community. Quite the contrary, they have maxed out the number of seats available, moved SC2 to the center stage, created additional tournaments, updated their map pool (albeit that doesn't happen all the time consistently), all while answering the communities questions time and time again when something pops up. Besides IPL and possibly NASL (Xeris pretty responds to everything in their threads), there are probably no other tournaments with so many posts from their admins on TeamLiquid explaining their decisions.
A disgrace to esports? Maybe you do not like it, and that's fine, you can state that this is a personal beef. But to say that it hurts the whole community when so many people end up watching and paying for the event is a bit of a stretch.
On April 17 2012 03:03 Ansinjunger wrote: Well the price isn't too bad if u get the bundled Spring Arenas 1 & 2 for $15 (already gold), but $30 without gold is kinda steep. My main issue is that it's an 8 player tournament over 3 days. Wth? Is pool play best of 5 or something? There's gotta be some pretty good filler content with the analysts, etc., but certain analysts will have to stop being super biased.
The first day is pool play in which everyone will play everyone (probably best of 3). After that day, they will have some seeding in which they will enter a single elimination 8-person bracket. With that type of model, each of these eight players are going to be trying pretty hard to get that first seed, and then be busting out the real builds on the final day in order to take home the prize.
On April 16 2012 13:15 TORTOISE wrote: No free stream? This isn't about "making eSports bigger" this is all about MLG making maximum profit off of the fans of this game while they still can.
Disgusting.
says the guy who is too cheap to pay ten dollars to support eSports.
On April 17 2012 03:03 Ansinjunger wrote: Well the price isn't too bad if u get the bundled Spring Arenas 1 & 2 for $15 (already gold), but $30 without gold is kinda steep. My main issue is that it's an 8 player tournament over 3 days. Wth? Is pool play best of 5 or something? There's gotta be some pretty good filler content with the analysts, etc., but certain analysts will have to stop being super biased.
The first day is pool play in which everyone will play everyone (probably best of 3). After that day, they will have some seeding in which they will enter a single elimination 8-person bracket. With that type of model, each of these eight players are going to be trying pretty hard to get that first seed, and then be busting out the real builds on the final day in order to take home the prize.
You still have to play everyone even if you get the #1 seed... and what if someone like DRG or MKP or Parting had a bad day and ended up with the #8 seed? There doesn't seem to be much reward in doing well in pool play.
On April 16 2012 15:07 Bart wrote: This is another "test" arena to see how the willing-to-PPV SC2 fans will respond to a small lineup of top players (ie small lineup means less money spent to fly players out). If MLG gets the same response as the winter arena then you'll see more of the spring arena type of tournament.
I think MLG is going the wrong way with this setup though. Fans want to watch epic games that mean something. 8 players in group and all of them advance to the round of 8 (lol) means the players won't show their best games until the last day and will probably treat this as a free vacation.
A Bo5 double elimination tournament format gets them the time they want without the group stage.
Napkin math:
An average game is about ~20 minutes.
Set up time, pre-game commentary, and post-game commentary make up an additional ~5 minutes - ~25 minutes per game.
An average Bo5 has 4 games - 4 x 25 ~ 100 minutes.
Double elimination format with 8 players results in:
4 Bo5 matches in the WB Ro8 2 Bo5 matches in the WB Ro4 1 Bo5 match in the WB Finals
2 Bo5 matches in the LB Ro4 A 2 Bo5 matches in the LB Ro4 B 1 Bo5 match in the LB Finals
1 Bo5 match in the LB-WB Up and Down 1-2 Bo5 matches in the GF
For a total of 14-15 Bo5 matches - 15 x 100 ~ 1500 minutes ~ 25 hours ~ 8 hours per day for three days, single stream.
I think they wanted games between every player, and that's why they went with the group stage format and two game streams.
On April 16 2012 13:15 TORTOISE wrote: No free stream? This isn't about "making eSports bigger" this is all about MLG making maximum profit off of the fans of this game while they still can.
Disgusting.
says the guy who is too cheap to pay ten dollars to support eSports.
Hypocrite.
Don't even start with the support eSports crap.
When will the SC2 community stop talking about supporting eSports? Yes, we want SC2 to keep being an eSport, we want it to get bigger, but stop acting like SC2 started eSports. Most of the SC2 community hate LoL which is a bigger eSport atm, so you arent really supporting eSports in that case are you?
On April 16 2012 13:15 TORTOISE wrote: No free stream? This isn't about "making eSports bigger" this is all about MLG making maximum profit off of the fans of this game while they still can.
Disgusting.
This is one of those statements that always has me laughing. Well, that and crying.
So let's be clear, if organizations like IPL, MLG, NASL and GSL could give you all of the content for free and support themselves entirely on sponsorships and advertising, don't you think they would?
Do you really think Sundance is sitting in some ivory tower and saying, "You know, eSports just paid for my new 150' yacht, but if I charge the peons an extra $10 each, well then I can install that new Mahogany bannister between the first and second decks..."
If that's what you think, you need to spend a Summer interning at MLG, or IPL, or whatever, because you clearly aren't in any way in synch with the businesses these folks are trying to run.
We're in the beginning stages of eSports boys and girls, the frontier, the wild-fracking-West. It's the kill-or-be-killed time. Organizations like MLG, IPL and NASL aren't worrying about how much of a bonus their CEO will get in 2012, they're wondering if they'll make enough revenue in 2012 to even HAVE a MLG, IPL or NASL in 2013. Right now everyone is playing around with different business models -- Different PPV models, different advertising models, different sponsorship programs, all in the hopes of growing the market, growing the audience and hopefully, someday, making it a profitable little industry that maybe just maybe turns into the next UFC in a few years.
I won't ring the "support eSports" bell, because it's tired and fatigued and very VERY overused. Rather, I'll simply say this. If you see value in the service, pay for the service, if you don't see the value, don't pay for it. But don't pretend like you think it's some sort of sinister act to require people to pay for it in the first place. These people are running businesses here. Businesses that they hope will be around in a few years. Businesses that are very expensive to run. Businesses that they took a risk in investing their money, time and careers into. But please stop complaining because you want everything to be perfect quality and 100% free, because that's not reality. Or, go grab some investors and a few million euros and start your own MLG or Dreamhack - and let me know how that goes for you.
If they were gunna do a PPV event they shouldn't have had it in direct conflict with competition offering the same quality content for free.
How can they possibly fully realise the potential of ppv in e-sports then? There will be multitudes of people who (like myself) will only have time to watch 1 event this weekend even if they're in different time zones. They must lose money from this scheduling conflict surely?
On April 17 2012 07:46 Kiichol wrote: MLG this weekend? Great!
Oh wait, Dreamhack is free of charge nvm.
If they were gunna do a PPV event they shouldn't have had it in direct conflict with competition offering the same quality content for free.
How can they possibly fully realise the potential of ppv in e-sports then? There will be multitudes of people who (like myself) will only have time to watch 1 event this weekend even if they're in different time zones. They must lose money from this scheduling conflict surely?
Watch the event you want to watch, then.
I'm paying for MLG. I'm also going to try to watch Dreamhack, but it's not in as good of a time zone for me. There's no reason why we can't watch both if we want to. Sick lineups for both.
On April 17 2012 07:46 Kiichol wrote: MLG this weekend? Great!
Oh wait, Dreamhack is free of charge nvm.
If they were gunna do a PPV event they shouldn't have had it in direct conflict with competition offering the same quality content for free.
How can they possibly fully realise the potential of ppv in e-sports then? There will be multitudes of people who (like myself) will only have time to watch 1 event this weekend even if they're in different time zones. They must lose money from this scheduling conflict surely?
Watch the event you want to watch, then.
I'm paying for MLG. I'm also going to try to watch Dreamhack, but it's not in as good of a time zone for me. There's no reason why we can't watch both if we want to. Sick lineups for both.
EXACTLY!
Yes, conflicting events suck. But I its nice that i don't have to completely fuck my sleep schedule to watch awesome sc2. I will watch as much DreamHack as possible because I love their events. And I will do the same with MLG.
i was absolutely certain i was gonna buy the whole spring pass for 30$ until i realised that Spring Arena 2 is scheduled for may 18th to the 20th aka. the first weekend of Diablo 3s release. i think im just gonna stick with spring arena 1
On April 17 2012 16:34 sunturion wrote: i was absolutely certain i was gonna buy the whole spring pass for 30$ until i realised that Spring Arena 2 is scheduled for may 18th to the 20th aka. the first weekend of Diablo 3s release. i think im just gonna stick with spring arena 1
Oh hahaha damn did not realize Arena 2 is that weekend. xD Going to be in LA that whole week. Ah well, guess I'll be catching the VoDs of that.
How have they not released the format for this yet? I see people claiming it's single and double elimination without any sources. Also to the people claiming pool play doesn't matter, do you realize that since it's an MLG event the pool play results will likely carry over making every series an extended series?
On April 17 2012 16:34 sunturion wrote: i was absolutely certain i was gonna buy the whole spring pass for 30$ until i realised that Spring Arena 2 is scheduled for may 18th to the 20th aka. the first weekend of Diablo 3s release. i think im just gonna stick with spring arena 1
mlg really shoulda consulted blizz on the released date for d3 before scheduling an arena for the same week :p
on topic: i can't wait for this weekend. i actually don't mind the 8 player format as it gives me the ability to watch so many top notch games from 2 of my favorite playes (HuK and MKP).
On April 18 2012 06:31 Cassel_Castle wrote: How have they not released the format for this yet? I see people claiming it's single and double elimination without any sources. Also to the people claiming pool play doesn't matter, do you realize that since it's an MLG event the pool play results will likely carry over making every series an extended series?
The answer's in the OP (the link at least http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/spring-scii-arena-1-broadcast-details/) If you read the schedule, you'll notice that on Friday and Saturday there will be pool play, and on Sunday we enter bracket play. Since the times only show "Bracket Round 1-3" and then the finals. Assuming that they show 2 matches at the same time, it would have to be a single elimination tournament, since double elimination would take a much longer time to both show all the games and make it to the finals in the set amount of time.
The first stage of the tournament will be a Round Robin in which all players play each other The second stage is a single-elimination bracket The Extended Series rule will not link Round Robin matches to Bracket matches The Bracket will have Best of 5 matches until the Finals, which will be a Best of 7 In the Bracket stage, some players will get a choice of opponents
The first stage of the tournament will be a Round Robin in which all players play each other The second stage is a single-elimination bracket The Extended Series rule will not link Round Robin matches to Bracket matches The Bracket will have Best of 5 matches until the Finals, which will be a Best of 7 In the Bracket stage, some players will get a choice of opponents
So this will be the first completely extended-series-free MLG SC2 tournament?
On April 18 2012 09:43 Quakecomm wrote: Does anyone know if there is going to be a live audience at the tournament and/or where in New York it's happening?
The Spring Arena 1 is just like the Winter Arena; it will be held at the MLG Studio and there will not be a live audience.
The first stage of the tournament will be a Round Robin in which all players play each other The second stage is a single-elimination bracket The Extended Series rule will not link Round Robin matches to Bracket matches The Bracket will have Best of 5 matches until the Finals, which will be a Best of 7 In the Bracket stage, some players will get a choice of opponents
Bracket Format 1. After losing a Match in the Bracket, Players will be eliminated from the Event. 2. The Round 1 Matchups will be set by the Player who finished 3rd in the Round Robin Standings. That Player must choose to play the Player who finished 5th or the Player who finished 6th in the Round Robin Standings. The Player who finished 4th’s Round 1 opponent will be the 5th/6th Player who wasn’t chosen. 3. The Semifinal Matchups will be set by the Player who finished 1st in the Round Robin Standings. That Player must choose to play one of the Players who won their Round 1 Match. The Player who finished 2nd’s Semifinal opponent will be the Round 1 winner who wasn’t chosen.
Still don't understand the PPV thing. The thing I always loved about SC2 tournaments was that they were all free and everyone could watch and join in. But by keeping this PPV thing up, you exclude people who can't afford it. (like myself) Now I don't know jack about economics, but definitely the wrong direction to move in, IMHO.
I don't like the PPV model in general not just in regard to MLG, I can afford it but I'll just watch something else. I used to watch boxing back in the eighties but they went PPV and I haven't watched a match since. I love MLG, I want them to do well, I just don't like PPV.
I see a lot of support/indifference for no free stream which I'm displeased by. I know it's all about the money for them, and my voice will change nothing. But i fell obligated to express my displease with this due to no acting=supporting the things i do not approve. I hope the people that don't have to think about giving a few dollars to watch MLG will never experience the tough choice between spending the money on this(your passion/hobby/fun) or on utilities, food, or some other essential thing.
This is a bit over exaggerated but i will leave you with this(it has different versions):
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me
If you can't afford the stream theirs other events going on and it's really simple you don't have to pay but you can pay. Your not forced to watch the stream, the gsl is free everyday live if you're interested in watching Starcarft 2 .
On April 19 2012 10:59 NovemberstOrm wrote: If you can't afford the stream theirs other events going on and it's really simple you don't have to pay but you can pay. Your not forced to watch the stream, the gsl is free everyday live if you're interested in watching Starcarft 2 .
yeah free GSL stream... don't even wanna watch that on my iphone... as light ticket holder you can't even choose between 2 streams when there's a 2nd available... so crappy >.<
not going to support this ppv model, would be fine with an add-sponsored free stream like IPL (but they srsly need a wider variation of ads to not make it such a pain to endure commercial breaks)
Well I will skip this event. Im getting sick of the amount of starcraft I have been watching. It's getting old for me. I'm not as excited as in the beginning. That time I bought all the passes. GSL, GSTL, MLG, IPL, ESLtv stuff. Now I don't buy anything I just watch/listen to the free stream if it's availlable . I have it in the background. For when I want to watch it when something interesting is happening. But most of the time nothing is happening or nothing special is happening. So I spend my time studying during that time. In the past I watched game till the finals ends. Like MLG somethimes ended 4 am. Now I just go to bed like at 1 AM and don't really care about the finals. Most of the time it's pretty obvious who is going to win. So that takes away the fun for me.
This is ridiculous, do we really need 15 pages of people to go on about how they don't support the move to a sustainable model. I mean we had a 200 page thread last arena, you saying you don't support it doesn't add anything to the MLG Details thread. Just wait for the Spring Championship and be happy that that is free. This ended up being $15 for both spring arenas and a portion of that is going to Grubby for me, Literally the price of one and a half movie tickets.
On a more related topic is there any reason that MLG did not work with the Korean teams with players in the event as far as the partner referral deals go? I like a lot of the teams, but not one of the teams with players in the event is a partner with the event.
Just jumping in here, can anyone tell me why this is on the TL calandar if it's not free? TL didn't put the last one up; did they change their policy?
Anyway, I won't be watching. $10 for an 8 player tourney? No thanks. There are more casters/"analysts" at this than players...
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On April 19 2012 18:12 feanor1 wrote: This is ridiculous, do we really need 15 pages of people to go on about how they don't support the move to a sustainable model. I mean we had a 200 page thread last arena, you saying you don't support it doesn't add anything to the MLG Details thread. Just wait for the Spring Championship and be happy that that is free. This ended up being $15 for both spring arenas and a portion of that is going to Grubby for me, Literally the price of one and a half movie tickets.
Voicing our opinion surely helps, notice how it's $10 now and not $20? I think the issue many people have with this system (I certainly do) is that it really seems to milk the PPV for all it's worth. Not one but TWO arenas that are PPV only, the first of which only has 8 players? Seriously? That's a stretch. Not to mention no live audience (hearing the crowd is always great, the Korean players especially love the crowds), so it just doesn't seem worth it to a lot of people. Communicating that to MLG is the best way to get them to address it. Kinda like the crappy 'extended-series' rule.
On April 20 2012 01:27 Molybdenum wrote: Just jumping in here, can anyone tell me why this is on the TL calandar if it's not free? TL didn't put the last one up; did they change their policy?
Anyway, I won't be watching. $10 for an 8 player tourney? No thanks. There are more casters/"analysts" at this than players...
On April 19 2012 18:12 feanor1 wrote: This is ridiculous, do we really need 15 pages of people to go on about how they don't support the move to a sustainable model. I mean we had a 200 page thread last arena, you saying you don't support it doesn't add anything to the MLG Details thread. Just wait for the Spring Championship and be happy that that is free. This ended up being $15 for both spring arenas and a portion of that is going to Grubby for me, Literally the price of one and a half movie tickets.
Voicing our opinion surely helps, notice how it's $10 now and not $20? I think the issue many people have with this system (I certainly do) is that it really seems to milk the PPV for all it's worth. Not one but TWO arenas that are PPV only, the first of which only has 8 players? Seriously? That's a stretch. Not to mention no live audience (hearing the crowd is always great, the Korean players especially love the crowds), so it just doesn't seem worth it to a lot of people. Communicating that to MLG is the best way to get them to address it. Kinda like the crappy 'extended-series' rule.
Because this time MLG paid TL $REDACTEDk for advertisements on the website including the "Spring Arena 1" count down above ↑ ↑ ↑
Dam why is this starting so late eastern time? Normally all tourney's have started between 10am and 1pm eastern which is perfect to let you view throughout the whole day. But now it's starting at 7pm and probably going all into the night.
wow no free stream??? man no matter how much i love e-sports not goin to happen. for some people getting the game means A LOT of sacrifices. but, as in business people became more and more greedy. eventually people like me who pay 10$ for the internet/mo will download it from the internet for free. thank you.
Meanwhile Dreamhack is being televised on national television. I'm sorry if you don't agree with me posting this, but everyone else is doing the hard work "for e-sports" while MLG is capitalizing on them. I'm sorry if you're offended with me posting this, but I'm going to post my disfavor towards the subject every thread there is. : )
On April 19 2012 00:55 MLG_Adam wrote: Just wanted to clarify that the Point of View streams for all of the players will in fact be direct views of the actual player screens, no observer.
So you are saying that you will be streaming from the player's desktop? Not the method of having an observer follow a player's camera movements?
would be fine with an ad-sponsored free stream like IPL
This
IPL has almost perfected the way fans that aren't attending the event can still view it.
Look at the IPL that was in Atlantic City. The HD stream was FREE and the amount of talent and fan favorites they had there was insane. All they had to do was put up a bunch of ads and the whole SC2 community could enjoy this event together. Heck, for what we got for free they could have put up even more ads.
I don't like this PPV model and would hate to see the day where more and more SC2 events turn into PPV.
would be fine with an ad-sponsored free stream like IPL
This
IPL has almost perfected the way fans that aren't attending the event can still view it.
Look at the IPL that was in Atlantic City. The HD stream was FREE and the amount of talent and fan favorites they had there was insane. All they had to do was put up a bunch of ads and the whole SC2 community could enjoy this event together. Heck, for what we got for free they could have put up even more ads.
I don't like this PPV model and would hate to see the day where more and more SC2 events turn into PPV.
While I prefer things to be free, I also realize there is a need to have money to keep things going. I would not say IPL4 has "almost perfected the way fans that aren't attending the event to still view it". I had so much trouble with stream / sound issue it was really frustrating (I have a pretty top end gaming rig and 35/35 fios). Couldn't help but think that a bigger production budget would solved alot of those issues.
Pay for good value is still good value, and free crap (not saying IPL was - the event was great minus all the stream issues, just as a general assessment) is still crap.
On April 19 2012 00:55 MLG_Adam wrote: Just wanted to clarify that the Point of View streams for all of the players will in fact be direct views of the actual player screens, no observer.
So you are saying that you will be streaming from the player's desktop? Not the method of having an observer follow a player's camera movements?
would be fine with an ad-sponsored free stream like IPL
This
IPL has almost perfected the way fans that aren't attending the event can still view it.
Look at the IPL that was in Atlantic City. The HD stream was FREE and the amount of talent and fan favorites they had there was insane. All they had to do was put up a bunch of ads and the whole SC2 community could enjoy this event together. Heck, for what we got for free they could have put up even more ads.
I don't like this PPV model and would hate to see the day where more and more SC2 events turn into PPV.
While I prefer things to be free, I also realize there is a need to have money to keep things going. I would not say IPL4 has "almost perfected the way fans that aren't attending the event to still view it". I had so much trouble with stream / sound issue it was really frustrating (I have a pretty top end gaming rig and 35/35 fios). Couldn't help but think that a bigger production budget would solved alot of those issues.
Pay for good value is still good value, and free crap (not saying IPL was - the event was great minus all the stream issues, just as a general assessment) is still crap.
Hmmm thats strange. I can't recall having any problems on my end during the event, though the biggest problem for that event was unrelated to the event itself, but rather a truck hitting some power box and knocking out the internet.
I guess we'll have to see how this pans out this weekend with Dreamhack being on aswell and being free.
On April 13 2012 10:33 LittLeD wrote: Grubby listed as official caster = Possible the best event (Commentator-wise) to date.
Too bad no1 gets to see it.
Well minus the few that feel like paying to see a 8 man tournament.
I feel you're severely underestimating it. I think a lot of people are going to be watching this, just like a lot of people watched the Winter Arena and made MLG want to keep going with the PPV idea.
It's a good thing I'm broke and have no CC available anyways, or else I would probably be tempted to waste money after the first free teaser, especially considering I have to wait another 12? hours for DH to start.
Would be impossible to watch them both at the same time anyways.
On April 19 2012 00:55 MLG_Adam wrote: Just wanted to clarify that the Point of View streams for all of the players will in fact be direct views of the actual player screens, no observer.
So you are saying that you will be streaming from the player's desktop? Not the method of having an observer follow a player's camera movements?
On April 13 2012 05:19 MLG_Adam wrote: Analysts will sit in on main stream on the analysis desk to post game analyze specific race match ups. For example:
Huk vs DRG would have Sheth and Axlav
MKP vs MC would have QXC and Axlav
Etc.
what if its a mirror match up, will only one analyst sit in? Like TvT only QXC
On April 21 2012 06:52 DwD wrote: -_- I just noticed there are 9 casters + 1 obs and 8 players. Maybe a bit overkill...
Exactly what i'm thinking. Also I got a question about Rob Simpson, how come he just out of nowhere and started casting for everyone? Why does MLG want him instead of someone like Husky, who brings amazing numbers from his Youtube followers, has undeniably one of the best play-by-play voices around, and has decent game knowledge to boot. After saying that I will add that I have nothing against Rob, it's just there are casters that even have more MLG experience.
Is it as simple as he works for Blizzard? Maybe there is some kind of deal I don't know about
On April 19 2012 00:55 MLG_Adam wrote: Just wanted to clarify that the Point of View streams for all of the players will in fact be direct views of the actual player screens, no observer.
So you are saying that you will be streaming from the player's desktop? Not the method of having an observer follow a player's camera movements?
Correct.
Awesome! I'm buying a PPV pass just for that.
1st Person View in SC2 is really bad, because of the auto-camera pan. They would need to capture the screen of the player directly to get a watchable result.
@mlg This tourney is a waste of time. No one cares about a 8-man tourney who isn't free and nearly no one will pay for it.
If you're having issues: - Make sure you are logged-in at Twitch.TV - For those that paid for the $30 pass/$15 pass with Gold, you received an email from MLG that includes a voucher that can be redeemed at twitch.tv for the MLG Arena access for this event. Do this if it says you do not have a valid subscription!
am i only able to watch this tournament for money?
how **** up is this, not everyone can pay, should be at least 480p free with ads.
supporting esports with your own money? no thanks, not at every corner. cant pay for all tournaments, especially not if there isnt a freestream, how stupid is that shit.
Just bought my own pass for this event. 10+ per event sounds much better than 20 per weekend. Even if I'm unhappy with the content this time and maybe it doesn't live up to the price, I will at least support the scene in my own way which feels good.
I just paid for season pass, I can log in on MLG's website but on the stream I try to log on to watch it says "Not Recognized. Please Retry." Anyone else having this problem? =/
EDIT: Nevermind, it seems they email you a different Password.
On April 21 2012 08:02 Noro wrote: I just paid for season pass, I can log in on MLG's website but on the stream I try to log on to watch it says "Not Recognized. Please Retry." Anyone else having this problem? =/
EDIT: Nevermind, it seems they email you a different Password.
Thank you so much for this, I had the same problem.
On April 21 2012 08:04 reki- wrote: Dont forget the people that bought a gold sub last year to get the "full mlg experience" only to pay again for these smaller tournaments lol
I really think there should be a free, low quality stream. That's the best way to get new viewers. There are so many free e-sports events. This is a good way to lose following.
They hijack Starcraft 2 by making you pay if you want access to something that should always be public. Nothing but greed on MLG's part, I'll start watching when they stop shitting on esports.
On April 21 2012 08:07 TRaFFiC wrote: I really think there should be a free, low quality stream. That's the best way to get new viewers. There are so many free e-sports events. This is a good way to lose following.
yes im really mad that i cant watch this tournament, there should be at least a free stream with ads. just lost respect for mlg
Another idea would be to change the pricing scheme. Make an option where you pay 2-5 dollars to watch for a few hours. This would help people who want to watch, but aren't going to stick around all weekend. Of course the reason they likely won't do it is it costs them more money with the credit card companies.
On April 21 2012 08:05 qwertzi wrote: i am confused,
why is the mlg stream linked on tl.net? i thought ppv only programs will have to buy sponsored threads or something...
i was really happy wenn i saw the stream cause i figured its for free... well, it isnt
yeah what gives? i had read last time around when TL posted their stance on this... so get online and click mlg link and it says drg vs mc, but i'd hafta pay. what a bummer
I think that trying to make people pay $10 for an 8 person tournament is dumb from an esports perspective and a business perspective.
Esports has become so popular almost exclusively because of how accessible it is. Anyone that plays SC casually can start to follow and watch the best players in the world for free, from any computer, at any time(global = dif time zones). I respect companies looking for ways to increase revenues in order to promote esports, but this is not the way. Use advertisements, or offer high quality stream. Locking people out unless they pay an unreasonably high price just pisses people like me off.
The idea of paying $10 for an 8 man tournament is also flawed. 99% of online SC viewing is completely free. Select high profile tournaments require pay. $10 is not a big purchase in the grand scheme of things, but it should be completely unjustifiable to any logical person because of its cost compared to the what the benchmark(average) cost of the service is to begin with(which in this case is extremely low). A good example of this principle in action is the cost of phone apps. Most people are hesitant to buy an app that costs $1, and even laugh at the idea of paying for a $5 app. $5 is not a lot of money, its just a high cost compared to the amount of free content available.
MLG should charge $1 for low quality stream and $2-3 for high quality. I bet it would return around the same revenues, and possibly triple the viewership. $10 makes you guys come across as thick-headed money grubbers.
[B]On April 21 2012 08:35 JimJigga wrote:[/B MLG should charge $1 for low quality stream and $2-3 for high quality. I bet it would return around the same revenues, and possibly triple the viewership. $10 makes you guys come across as thick-headed money grubbers.
Search function. All of these arguments were made to/responded to by MLG months ago. Whether or not you like it they couldn't have been any more clear that they will not be providing freemium content anymore or responding to arguments like this anymore.
[B]On April 21 2012 08:35 JimJigga wrote:[/B MLG should charge $1 for low quality stream and $2-3 for high quality. I bet it would return around the same revenues, and possibly triple the viewership. $10 makes you guys come across as thick-headed money grubbers.
Search function. All of these arguments were made to/responded to by MLG months ago. Whether or not you like it they couldn't have been any more clear that they will not be providing freemium content anymore or responding to arguments like this anymore.
Loving Grubby so far!
Don't care if they addressed and warned us. People should still tell them when they are wrong. I'm gonna go take my $10 and pay for dinner - because that's a reasonable use of $10.
Tons more threads talking about this topic - Use the search function. There was also controversy about re-streams and using private browsing to get around pay walls.
That should hopefully settle everyone's need to spend the next three days complaining about a paywall in the similar fashion.
PS. Using piracy as a way of complaining about the quality or type of an event is a garbage excuse. If you don't like a game / event (especially live event), just don't watch it. Unless Huk does something miraculous (in which case, I'll pay), I'll wait the two weeks for the VODs to come out and watch dreamhack.
Tons more threads talking about this topic - Use the search function. There was also controversy about re-streams and using private browsing to get around pay walls.
I appreciate that high pay passes might be bringing in good money which allows them to host more tournaments, but this almost worries me even more. I don't care if this profit model of theirs allows them to have an MLG every other week, that's not the esports industry/community that I want, or think this sport deserves. They should be lowering costs to get more viewers. The SC community was built on easy, free(or almost free) viewing.
It is frustrating to me, and seems that the average SC fan is being blocked out because a select few hardcore fans are willing to pay a really high cost(therefore justifying it).
On April 21 2012 10:53 VillageBC wrote: I paid for it, and it won't let me access it. =( Mind you I just paid for it, so maybe I need to give it 10 minutes or so.
Check your e-mail - Stated exactly the same 5 posts above ^^
On April 21 2012 10:53 VillageBC wrote: I paid for it, and it won't let me access it. =( Mind you I just paid for it, so maybe I need to give it 10 minutes or so.
Check your e-mail - Stated exactly the same 5 posts above ^^
Thanks, goddamn how obtuse do they want to be about it.
Tons more threads talking about this topic - Use the search function. There was also controversy about re-streams and using private browsing to get around pay walls.
I appreciate that high pay passes might be bringing in good money which allows them to host more tournaments, but this almost worries me even more. I don't care if this profit model of theirs allows them to have an MLG every other week, that's not the esports industry/community that I want, or think this sport deserves. They should be lowering costs to get more viewers. The SC community was built on easy, free(or almost free) viewing.
It is frustrating to me, and seems that the average SC fan is being blocked out because a select few hardcore fans are willing to pay a really high cost(therefore justifying it).
If you don't want to watch an SC2 tournament every other weekend then don't watch the arenas. The Championships are the main events and are still Free (Freemium).
If MLG was not doing PPV then all we would have would probably be the Championship events. And first place would probably still only get $5000. So by ADDING these Arenas the "hardcore fans" get more content and the "average SC fan" would get better production and a larger prize pool for the Championship events. And better yet we all get MLGs for years to come because they didn't run out of venture capital because they couldn't turn a profit.
I really dont wanna talk about this beacuse this controversy started before Winter Arena -and during- but thing is, MLG is making money out of a hug HUGE gamble they took. Ad revenue is not quit enough and some people dont even get ads, like yours truly who streams on his ps3, and the eSports scene is growing but not nearly as fast as the first year. MLG is trying to find other sustainable ways of keep up with the current demand. Winter Arena was sink or swim: if it didn't turn out profit who knows what was to be of the NA scene. So I'm sorry, 89%, but that measly 11% of people that payed for winter arena generated more revenue than any of the previous MLG events.
There's a big, pretty, useful and insightful article on wellplayed.org that covers most of what I said and adds a lot more (like the opinion of those who write about this shizz for a living) so you can understand why PPV arena events are so good for all of the community.
The real question is whether they will make enough money to outweigh all the people they pissed off from not having a free, low quality stream. Even if they do, that's not going to grow their fan base. Which leads to another question. Will more people pay for the next one? Probably not considering some of the people who paid this time won't pay next time and the people who didn't pay are presumably angry. However, to be fair, it should be considered that the people who didn't pay this time are just acting out (as children do) and will pay next time.
With all the free content out there, you have to be a big supporter to pay for a weekend event. There's no point to watch the vods later if more, new, free content is out already. There is live, free sc2 24 hours a day.
no free stream its not free because its a major tournament how do u expect e sports to get bigger with cheap skates who cant spare 10 dollors to watch 3 days of top pros fighting in HD thank god its not free... other wise E sports would suffer because of cheap people like u agentchaos if u wanna watch a free tourney go watch playhem kk chow
I don't get it, why people are still complaining about the PPV. The pricing now is very much ok. You could've bought the gold membership, which means 15$ for 4 championship events in HD this year. Then you have 15$ for the two arenas and the invite qualifiers. Which is an ok price for me. Those events just wouldn't happen without the PPV. So if you don't want to pay, it's ok, just don't watch! If it weren't PPV, it wouldn't be there at all, so there was no event to watch. So either you support it, pay and watch, or just don't pay, watch dreamhack, have a nice time. It's not like MLG is denying anything to anybody with this PPV model. It's just giving out ADDITIONAL content for people, willing to pay for it. Those who doesn't want to are not losing anything!
and as for are people paying for the stream yes they are and they make ten times more money from making a paying to watch. do u realise that a stream only gets 3 dollars per 1000 people so to make 30 dollars they need 10000 people watching a advert now they have over 15000 people who bought the pass for 10 dollars thats 150 thousand dollars 150.000 hmmm which do they
prefere making 90 dollors for streaming 3 adverts per stream or 150.000 dollars for making it pay to watch hmmmmm do the math these streams will never be free stop being so cheap and support esports with just 10 dollors for 3 days of top pros
FIghting to the death that's like just over 3 dollars a day worth it is'ent it ? stop complaining and support esports or go watch playhem tourney if u wanna watch a free stream kk chow
so yea traffic from canada id say 150.000 dollars they are making plenty of money not having it as a free stream and thats only for the first day because when i was logged on yesterday i looked once and there was around 15.000 people watching after the pay wall went up so theres like literally 100 times more money in just the first day of sales for the 1st day of tourny than there
would have been if it was free for all the cheap skates to watch gg no re plz all just stop this thread its pointless they aint gonna choose having maximum of making around 4000 dollars a day from adverts and that would be if like over 30.000 was watching the stream when they can make 150.000 in one day from makng it pay to veiw end of story stop being cheap and support esports sad......
I have no idea how someone who's from the UK can post such incomprehensible posts but hey ho. Not paying 10 dollars for a small tournament with only 8 players is not cheap at all. Quality of the games have been proven to be less than they are in bigger tounaments and even though people want to watch because of certain fan favourites, the demand isn't high enough to justify this.
Anyway, at least TeamLiquid as a website is no longer supporting the organisation on this so we'll see how many viewers they will have today.
On April 21 2012 08:34 amazingxkcd wrote: Stream not free anymore.
Respect for MLG is now 0.
Guess I'll have to wait until dreamhack tomorrow :/
Why do you have no respect? its an extra tournament.
If you compare this to GSL, its the exact same format with payment.
GSL -
You wanna watch the actual GSL tournament? watch it live at 340p or buy a ticket for X $ and watch it in HD
You wanna watch the Arena of Legends? Pay 5-10$ and watch it in HD, no free stream.
MLG -
You wanna watch the big live events (Championships)? Watch it live at 420p or buy a ticket for x $ and watch it in HD
You wanna watch the MLG Arenas? Pay 10-20$ and watch it in HD, no free stream.
Now, you can see the the MLG Arenas are more expensive, but the production and work is also far larger, as its offline, not online.
And for everyone saying "MLG is so bad, i'll watch Dreamhack", the first day is pretty much well.. pros stomping diamond-master players from Sweden. And when the big matches come, it aint gonna overlap with MLG anyway, so there isn't a problem there.
no free stream its not free because its a major tournament how do u expect e sports to get bigger with cheap skates who cant spare 10 dollors to watch 3 days of top pros fighting in HD thank god its not free
Okay, first off where are you getting all these numbers from? You seem to be mindlessly throwing out numbers without any reference as to where you getting this info from.
Second, don't start the whole "by paying to watch these you are making esports bigger" crap. Its simply false and inaccurate. All its doing is putting money into these companies pockets. The real money lies within the sponsors. Its nothing to some of these major corporations to throw out a few grand to sponsor a tournament to get their name and or new product out there.
Look how far esports has come without PPV.
And like I said, the money lies within the sponsors. If more and more of these major tournament organizers start nickel and diming us to where a major event only has a tenth of what the viewership should be, then sponsors are going to start questioning their interests in esports and forget about new sponsors thinking about dumping their ad budget into esports.
Paying to watch a one-off tournament with only eight players that I can see every week in the GSL and no live audience? Meh, I'll just watch Dreamhack instead. Sorry MLG but I just don't like the way you're doing these. I know you gotta make money but there must be a better way than this.
On April 21 2012 08:34 amazingxkcd wrote: Stream not free anymore.
Respect for MLG is now 0.
Guess I'll have to wait until dreamhack tomorrow :/
Why do you have no respect? its an extra tournament.
If you compare this to GSL, its the exact same format with payment.
GSL -
You wanna watch the actual GSL tournament? watch it live at 340p or buy a ticket for X $ and watch it in HD
You wanna watch the Arena of Legends? Pay 5-10$ and watch it in HD, no free stream.
MLG -
You wanna watch the big live events (Championships)? Watch it live at 420p or buy a ticket for x $ and watch it in HD
You wanna watch the MLG Arenas? Pay 10-20$ and watch it in HD, no free stream.
Now, you can see the the MLG Arenas are more expensive, but the production and work is also far larger, as its offline, not online.
And for everyone saying "MLG is so bad, i'll watch Dreamhack", the first day is pretty much well.. pros stomping diamond-master players from Sweden. And when the big matches come, it aint gonna overlap with MLG anyway, so there isn't a problem there.
I really hope you compared only the AoL for MLG arena. Btw, they changed it and AoL are actually free to watch now if i remember right..
On April 21 2012 08:34 amazingxkcd wrote: Stream not free anymore.
Respect for MLG is now 0.
Guess I'll have to wait until dreamhack tomorrow :/
Why do you have no respect? its an extra tournament.
If you compare this to GSL, its the exact same format with payment.
GSL -
You wanna watch the actual GSL tournament? watch it live at 340p or buy a ticket for X $ and watch it in HD
You wanna watch the Arena of Legends? Pay 5-10$ and watch it in HD, no free stream.
MLG -
You wanna watch the big live events (Championships)? Watch it live at 420p or buy a ticket for x $ and watch it in HD
You wanna watch the MLG Arenas? Pay 10-20$ and watch it in HD, no free stream.
Now, you can see the the MLG Arenas are more expensive, but the production and work is also far larger, as its offline, not online.
And for everyone saying "MLG is so bad, i'll watch Dreamhack", the first day is pretty much well.. pros stomping diamond-master players from Sweden. And when the big matches come, it aint gonna overlap with MLG anyway, so there isn't a problem there.
I really hope you compared only the AoL for MLG arena. Btw, they changed it and AoL are actually free to watch now if i remember right..
I am comparing GSL AoL with the MLG Arenas.
And i'm pretty sure that AoL is not free to watch, BUT if you buy the annual ticket, you get them for free, similiar to how gold members get a discount on the arenas.
Also MLG recently introduced a showmatch "MLG Prizefights", which is free in HD.
There is just 2 major points people seem to miss - - The MLG Arenas are extra content, you are not missing out on anything there wouldn't of been there the year before. - Dreamhack and MLG Spring Arena 1 do not overlap timewise.
On April 22 2012 03:29 Wombat_NI wrote: Any chance that there can be some discussion on the games, both post and upcoming rather than the pricing model?
Or there's a good SC2 General forum for such a debate, just an idea.
Go to MLG forums and discuss it. No reason to use TL as a promotional device for a non-community function imo.
You guys this sucks, there is only 8 players? im saying this is kicking ass, there is only 8 players, i like all of them and they are going to play at the minimum 21 game EACH, this is AWESOMEl for 10$. this is like 4 week GSL in one week end. The only complain i have about his tounament is the map pool. But i have the same complaint for all the tournaments.
I bought the spring pass, and have tried for the last 30 minutes to get this fucking thing to work.
I cleared my cache and cookies, and I still can't get that green static of death to disappear- EVEN DURING THE FREE GAMES. I tried to contact MLG support, and that doesn't even work.
I don't care if they choose to go PPV, but if you're going to ask your fans to pay for watching this tournament (when Dreamhack is currently going on and is free) then you better make sure you don't have people dealing with technical bullshit. According to the MLG site I'm not the only one. ARgh
edit;
I emailed MLG hoping they'd give me some solution to this problem. I explained to them my immense dissatisfaction with the fact that I paid extra for this tournament and then had to deal with tons of technical problems after doing so (especially given that the formerly all inclusive gold membership I bought is no longer all inclusive)
Their response:
Hello. The Spring Arena is NOT included in the Membership. You get a discount to purchase a Season pass, however.
On April 22 2012 03:29 Wombat_NI wrote: Any chance that there can be some discussion on the games, both post and upcoming rather than the pricing model?
Or there's a good SC2 General forum for such a debate, just an idea.
On April 22 2012 04:18 Durp wrote: I bought the spring pass, and have tried for the last 30 minutes to get this fucking thing to work.
I cleared my cache and cookies, and I still can't get that green static of death to disappear- EVEN DURING THE FREE GAMES. I tried to contact MLG support, and that doesn't even work.
I don't care if they choose to go PPV, but if you're going to ask your fans to pay for watching this tournament (when Dreamhack is currently going on and is free) then you better make sure you don't have people dealing with technical bullshit. According to the MLG site I'm not the only one. ARgh
edit;
I emailed MLG hoping they'd give me some solution to this problem. I explained to them my immense dissatisfaction with the fact that I was asked to pay extra for this tournament and then had to deal with tons of technical problems after doing so (especially given that the formerly all inclusive gold membership I bought is no longer all inclusive)
I would get it if the times were not way crazy for us Europeans. Since games go until 5:00 I'll sit this one out. The price is certainly acceptable, if I were able to enjoy it at a reasonable time in the day.
It would be interesting if MLG can somehow come up with a way to cater to European timezones (even if it is through rebroadcast or something), but I can understand that potential customers would not pull in enough money to warrant a change of time slot. Also the reason why PSN doesn't give a crap about Europe, sadly.
We Europeans get lucky with GSL however, as it airs in the morning/afternoon for us, so I get to watch those at work :D
I'm sure other people have mentioned this but they really need to fix this bug where you have to log in and out of your twitch account in order to the view the stream on MLG's page...why is there no login button on MLG's page?
I tried to renew my MLG-gold during MLG Columbus as you guys said it was last chance to get MLG Gold - I already had MLG Gold until July 2012 but wanted to make sure I had another year of MLG gold - However, every time I tried to pay, the website came up with a weird error - I tried to pay 2 times with credit card (International card that I use for E-shopping) and 1 time with Paypall, all gave errors. After that, I realized that my MLG Gold subscription hadn't been renewed and still ran untill July 2012(I originally purchased MLG Gold July 2012) so I sent them a mail that I would very much like to have my 30$ refunded (Withdrawn from my paypall + 2x 30$ withdrawn from debit card) - Start from the bottom please - Note: support@mlgpro.com is the e-mail adress you are presented with after a purchase: support@mlgpro.com
*Note - I havent recieved any word after the last automated responce on the 9th of April 2012
Start from the bottom please, to get a timeline :-) Starting off with a copy paste of my current paypal:
Business Name: Major League Gaming Inc. (The recipient of this payment is Verified) Email: support@mlgpro.com
Total amount: -$29.99 USD Fee amount: $0.00 USD Net amount: -$29.99 USD (equals -173.36 DKK)
Conversion from: -173.36 DKK Conversion to: $29.99 USD Exchange rate: 1 Danish Krone = 0.173001 U.S. Dollars
I have forwarded this e-mail to support@majorleaguegaming.com: - Unfortunately, my e-mail hasn't kept record of this specific sent item :S (First item below is a confirmation e-mail from said support account)
Re: Fw: Fwd: Double purchase of MLG Gold Major League Gaming | APR 09, 2012 | 09:08PM UTC Thank you for submitting your request. We have received your request and are working on responding to you as soon as possible. If you have any additional information to add to this case, please reply to this email.
Thanks in advance for your patience and support. This message was sent to XXXXXX@gmail.com in reference to Case #36123.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <XXXXXXX@gmail.com> Date: 2012/4/9 Subject: Fw: Fwd: Double purchase of MLG Gold To: support@mlg.com
Hi MLG
Have you gotten a chance to look at this please?
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <XXXXXXgmail.com> Date: 2012/4/9 Subject: Fw: Fwd: Double purchase of MLG Gold To: support@mlgpro.com
Hello MLG
I think you might have missed this e-mail.
/XXXXXX
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <XXXXXXXX@gmail.com> Date: 2012/3/27 Subject: Double purchase of MLG Gold To: support@mlgpro.com
Hello MLG,
During the weekend, I wanted to make sure that I bought Gold membership, as you mentioned on the Central Starcraft 2-stream, that it would only be available during this weekend.
I did already buy Gold Membership back in July, however, and I still have 4 months of Gold of my previous purchase – I did not realize this at the time of purchase.
I would like to cancel my purchase, and let my previous Gold-membership run its course.
My username is XXXXXX, and used paypal as payment.
Thank you
Kind regards, XXXXXXXXXXXXX
Question is - Do I have to send this directly to Sundance in order to get some kind of response? I even paid for your Spring Arena, but my patience has its limits.........
Is it just me, or the stream very laggy today? Yesterday was just fine, but today it's very herky jerky. Kind of like I'm trying to watch it at too high a rate, except yesterday there were no issues.
Edit: My bad, it was Chromes fault. I went back to Firefox and no problems. Watching it under FedoraCore 16 and not all that familiar with linux.
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