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ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On April 12 2012 11:32 usethis2 wrote: Except that High Templars are such gentlmen that they don't physically punch or shoot lasers at you. Does the Blinding Cloud stop spellcasting? From what I read on the Bnet site blind only works on biological units. | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
...and those are my insignificant thoughts about HotS  | ||
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OrganicDoom
United States32 Posts
On April 12 2012 11:32 usethis2 wrote: Except that High Templars are such gentlmen that they don't physically punch or shoot lasers at you. Does the Blinding Cloud stop spellcasting? It makes the spells Range 1 | ||
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Resistentialism
Canada688 Posts
On April 12 2012 11:34 Resistentialism wrote: Those are all either suffer from being less than particularly effective, too much of a wild tech and production swing, or risky to the point of being gimmicky. What protoss needs are units that cost APM more than anything else and don't leave gaping timing holes for your opponents to exploit. The oracle may or may not actually achieve this. Yes it's a self quote, but the further point to add is that after you have protoss units that superb, high APM players can use in solidly safe builds to win world class tournaments, you can start thinking about toning down some of the numbers on the more kludgey brain-dead protoss units. | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5260 Posts
Zerg are looking like they are going to get some nice options. I'm curious to see how and when Zergs will incorporate Vipers into their play. Seeing how strong defilers were, and the fact that Vipers can replenish energy through minerals, similar to Consume, makes Vipers look very attractive. I really really really hope terran mech becomes viable. There are only so many games I can watch with a mob of MMM pewpewpewing everything  Protoss .... man I don't know. I'm not sold on the oracle but at least there's no more replicant. I wish they would just improve the carrier, rather than replace it when tempest. The new Nexus powers look very interesting. Similar to how Queens can choose to use energy on injects for macro, or for other abilities, the protoss will be able to chronoboost for macro, or do other stuff. Since this is Heart of the Swarm, I guess zerg getting the shinier toys isn't that big of a deal, but I'm still hoping for some more interesting toss play. | ||
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Resistentialism
Canada688 Posts
On April 12 2012 11:41 babysimba wrote:Most of the battles will be so 1 sided just like in WoL, either you get steamrolled or you steamroll the opponent. Mass recall would kind of get rid of this a lot of the time, though in kind of a goofy way. Just to play devil's advocate. | ||
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Zariel
Australia1304 Posts
With Stargate unist for protoss, the issue at the moment is low-mid tiered ranged units are still being used and anti-air has become more powerful in WoL. Terrans have marines and vikings whilst zerg have corruptors and hydras, any 4 of these units hard counter the whole stargate arsenal thus making stargate units very cost inefficient. The tempest idea they had - long ranged siege type air unit, would be viable but feels a little bland. The Carrier I reckon should have some tweaking done, such as build times and the mechanics similar to broodwar (you can leave interceptors launched, following the carrier) so it can attack quicker. | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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GinDo
3327 Posts
Yes there is. In the practice league. Even Bronze leaguers know you can nuke tank lines. Except they ruined it with the Dustin portrait. The old Goliath was so sick. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SzCsr.jpg) | ||
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
On April 12 2012 11:48 GinDo wrote: Yes there is. In the practice league. Even Bronze leaguers know you can nuke tank lines. Except they ruined it with the Dustin portrait. The old Goliath was so sick. + Show Spoiler + D. Browder's face on the unit you can't have. He is a truly a Grandmaster at trolling | ||
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LeeDawg
United States1306 Posts
so does no shredder. just hoping they move the oracle to the robo so protoss doesn't have to go stargate to harass. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
1. Terran -Shredder gone is good. Terran already has a great siege unit, and the shredder was gimmicky. Good riddence. -Warhound gone is not good. The thor takes up too much space, is slow and doesn't do a great job of countering mass mutas since you can easily keep the mutas separated. Warhound was a much better idea. I hope they bring it back - Air mines. Goliaths(warhound) would solve this problem - Breaking siege lines. I think this can be solved by removing vikings. Without vikings, banshees become a dominant force and goliaths would be the counter. Then there would be a balancing act which is interesting. 2. Protoss -Replicant gone. Good, it was gimmicky. No hurt feelings here. -Oracle is fine. It probably can use some tweaks, but overall, I really like the possibilities it will provide. It might make 3 gate stargate expand more viable in pvz - 3. Zerg - Swarm host is good, zerg needs it pretty badly. -No hydra or roach changes.....bad Roaches and hydras overlap quite a bit in everything from range to cost. Removing one would probably not affect anything and would make things more simple. My suggestions: Remove hydra. Gives roaches speed for free and instead give roaches a researchable range upgrade and increase their cost to 125/25. -Viper sounds like a good secondary caster for zerg. I like the changes for it. -Nydus worm. Needs a lot of love to be useful, but at the same time, not too powerful. Faster unload time, Ability to auto rally units in and out of it and maybe it should come for free with hive tech. Glad blizzard is making changes, kinda wish they were in a slightly different direction. | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
Suicide Storm? | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On April 12 2012 11:51 Erik.TheRed wrote: D. Browder's face on the unit you can't have. He is a truly a Grandmaster at trolling That one's not actually dustin, that's another employee as they stated in an interview. The spartan goliath is the dustin one. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On April 12 2012 11:57 darmousseh wrote: Personal Feelings: 1. Terran -Shredder gone is good. Terran already has a great siege unit, and the shredder was gimmicky. Good riddence. -Warhound gone is not good. The thor takes up too much space, is slow and doesn't do a great job of countering mass mutas since you can easily keep the mutas separated. Warhound was a much better idea. I hope they bring it back - Air mines. Goliaths(warhound) would solve this problem - Breaking siege lines. I think this can be solved by removing vikings. Without vikings, banshees become a dominant force and goliaths would be the counter. Then there would be a balancing act which is interesting. 2. Protoss -Replicant gone. Good, it was gimmicky. No hurt feelings here. -Oracle is fine. It probably can use some tweaks, but overall, I really like the possibilities it will provide. It might make 3 gate stargate expand more viable in pvz - 3. Zerg - Swarm host is good, zerg needs it pretty badly. -No hydra or roach changes.....bad Roaches and hydras overlap quite a bit in everything from range to cost. Removing one would probably not affect anything and would make things more simple. My suggestions: Remove hydra. Gives roaches speed for free and instead give roaches a researchable range upgrade and increase their cost to 125/25. -Viper sounds like a good secondary caster for zerg. I like the changes for it. -Nydus worm. Needs a lot of love to be useful, but at the same time, not too powerful. Faster unload time, Ability to auto rally units in and out of it and maybe it should come for free with hive tech. Glad blizzard is making changes, kinda wish they were in a slightly different direction. Thors already counter banshees. There is no muta problem vs thors. Thors are much more cost efficient and supply efficient than mutas. You're supposed to get turrets with mech anyways and rally marines at home with bio. Mech is supposed to be slow and immobile -- the Thor fits this. I do not feel it is too clunky in any way. I don't have problems moving thors around. They won't add in goliaths because then pure mech would be viable, and they don't seem to want pure anything to work past a certain point without MKP's micro (a good thing; you get different units from other techs to support your force like tanks and medivacs in TvZ bio, without your composition being weaker just cus it's not "pure" bio, unlike in BW -- it's easier to transition in SC2 now). Goliaths were anti-heavy units, not anti-light units like Thor. Anyways the damage/weakness thing is different now. Also they said they wanted the missile thing to help TvT for factory-based compositions. Not for just siege lines. Marine Tank vs Marine Tank is fine, and bio vs marine/tank and bio vs mech is fine as well. I feel even mech vs mech is fine -- it's still about positioning, though I guess it is "harder" because siege lines are even stronger. Something to do with an artillery range missile could be interesting, but we already have nukes for that (but that's more for bio -- having something more convenient for mech could be interesting). | ||
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Kaos_StarCraft
Australia92 Posts
So somehow copying those units is ok, but copying say... the Lurker, Defiler, Arbiter, Corsair, Goliath, Vulture etc isn't? Blizzard and Dustin Browder in particular seem akin to Valve regarding CS1.6, the whole incident when they randomly one day (after years and years of community requests to fix basic bugs) showed up and completely ruined the game sound, only to completely roll-back their changes some time later. Based on what's been revealed and discussed, HOTS for me feels like impending doom. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On April 12 2012 11:32 Euronyme wrote: I feel the problem with the protoss arsenal is that we don't have anything that can kill workers, and they they're too gimicky. A lot of the builds are flimsy and have to be done without scouting etc etc. Go watch Parting vs Fin G1 on Daybreak yesterday. + Show Spoiler + He kills 50+ workers with just chargelots, even when he is at a disadvantage. | ||
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
The culprit of this problem lies in the fact there is no suitable middle GtA unit that could punish vikings for providing vision for the tank lines ala Goliath (marines are good, but not when they are in no mans land). Thors are viable somewhat but are expensive/cumbersome + AtG units are much more stronger than GtA units.. | ||
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
On April 12 2012 12:46 pdd wrote: Go watch Parting vs Fin G1 on Daybreak yesterday. + Show Spoiler + He kills 50+ workers with just chargelots, even when he is at a disadvantage. Ah and imagine having the nexus recall here. Not only do they kill all those workers but most of the army can come home safe.. | ||
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