EPT[IPL4] Open Bracket Released - Page 15
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Pandalorum
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FXOBoSs
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Kerwin
United States220 Posts
On April 05 2012 01:15 VirgilSC2 wrote: I'm not saying anything is wrong with the seeding, I just think something is wrong with seeding players and then not disclosing HOW they were seeded. It's not a subjective decision. It's based off cold, hard numbers from Win/Loss ratios within the league. Apparently you're not super familiar with how NCAA Basketball ranks it's teams or you're just oversimplifying... It's not just "who has the most wins or the best win/loss ratio" They take things like strength of schedule (i.e. you can go 25-7 as a mid major and if you don't win your conference you may be out of luck, especially if you didn't play anyone that good). Also, they take into consideration whether a team is on the rise (playing good at the end of the year) or dropping off. The NCAA Tourney selection committee is just as subjective at picking their teams and they also don't disclose how they came about those rankings. Also RPI isn't the only stat that the committee uses. | ||
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On April 04 2012 21:55 Bumblebee wrote: I don't really have a refined opinion on team kills in such brackets. It's sort of just tough luck, but I wonder if there can't be done something to prevent it at least for a while or not "that many". If you look over the bracket, we - Team Liquid - kill eachother very early all over the bracket. It's just not worthwhile business for us to send so many players to such events if they're going to eliminate eachother that early. I'm not saying we can prevent teamkills all the way until the bracket finals - or we almost can, but I don't expect it. I'm just simply thinking if there isn't a fair way to draft so that we won't have 2-3 teamkills in the third round? What are your opinions out there? Do you think it'd be fair to put what team people are on into such an equation? For an open bracket, it'd be very nice if tournament organizers took team into account for viewership. No one wants to see teamkills  | ||
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IMNasty
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On April 05 2012 04:19 Kerwin wrote: Apparently you're not super familiar with how NCAA Basketball ranks it's teams or you're just oversimplifying... It's not just "who has the most wins or the best win/loss ratio" They take things like strength of schedule (i.e. you can go 25-7 as a mid major and if you don't win your conference you may be out of luck, especially if you didn't play anyone that good). Also, they take into consideration whether a team is on the rise (playing good at the end of the year) or dropping off. The NCAA Tourney selection committee is just as subjective at picking their teams and they also don't disclose how they came about those rankings. Also RPI isn't the only stat that the committee uses. don't worry his opinion is biased because he's manager of a foreign team so he doesn't like how his team has to face koreans | ||
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dragonborn
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90% of open bracket players are better than him. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On April 05 2012 02:18 Azarkon wrote: Responding to the topic of foreigners vs. Koreans in IPL: The best games for me are foreigner vs. Korean games. Korean vs. Korean and foreigner vs. foreigner are both secondary for me - I don't think they're that fun to watch unless the players in question are players that I really like. But all foreigner vs. Korean games are fun to watch for the upset potential and the underdog angle. I know it's a contrived rivalry, created by organizers and shoutcasters to hype up the matches, but it's an effective rivalry - for that matter, it's this rivalry that drives SC 2 as an eSport. I think a lot of people are watching these tournaments because they buy into this rivalvry, and that's the reason all foreigner and all Korean tournaments are not as fun. IPL and MLG both have to ensure that this rivalry continues, imo. The day these tournaments become the equivalent of GSL is the day SC 2 eSports dies in the West - but that's just my opinion. Shit, I hate to double post, but this makes so much sense. Rivalry drives loyalty, and inspires emotion. eSports needs it. Foreigner vs Korean matches are much more interesting. | ||
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Endrew
Poland73 Posts
 What else could you ask for | ||
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TheShadower
United States94 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On April 05 2012 04:26 dragonborn wrote: its sad to see IdrA in pool play... 90% of open bracket players are better than him. I don't think it's sad, I like that IPL are trying to honour their past tournament winners, though I do think it's a bit odd since IPL 1 was a NA only tournament which rather limited the competitive player pool. | ||
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
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RJGooner
United States2093 Posts
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IMoperator
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Waste
Sweden84 Posts
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mDuo13
United States307 Posts
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ceaser
United States7 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On April 05 2012 04:25 Crownlol wrote: For an open bracket, it'd be very nice if tournament organizers took team into account for viewership. No one wants to see teamkills Actually, it might now be a bad thing for teamkills in a bracket as stacked as this, especially since it is double elimination. Teamkills at least guarantee 1 player to the next round, whereas spreading the players around could lead to them all getting knocked out early, which is definitely a very possible outcome. This is a very stacked tournament. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
Also... Liquid has 9 players. You can't really expect them to avoid each other in a 128 man bracket, its a consequence of having so many players on your team. I'm sure if the IPL staff specifically made their bracket to put Liquid players farthest away from each other, you could avoid a teamkill until Round 3, but that wouldn't be fair to anyone else. | ||
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RuMCaKe
United States559 Posts
Oh believe me, I will be fighting! | ||
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