We are ready to announce that from today our team changes the way of business and sign the player of world class - Abdulaziz "CrunCher" Abed, from now he is a player of incredible Panic team. Not long ago he was a player of team compLexity, and then he was inactive for a while. A few days ago he returned to Starcraft 2 and started intensively train on NA and EU ladder. The next tourney for CrunCher will be NASL Season 3, he got an invite and will represent our team. Also he will make our line-up stronger on different team leagues, also Incredible Panic League Season 4. The best achievements of CrunCher are: first place on TSL3 qualifier, where he defeated Beastyqt, Ciara, KiWiKaKi and Fenix in the finals. He won against Idra in play offs 2:1 and then Mondragon 3:1. Finally he lost to NaNiwa 2:3. He took 5-8 place.
CrunCher was successful in both NASL seasons and won against a lot of strong players. He was also successful in a few MLGs. Placing top 20 twice from the open bracket.
Before Starcraft 2, Abdulaziz played Warcraft 3. He was a human player, and attended a few Blizzard Regionals, and ended up attending Blizzcon 2010. He also attended WCG USA, and ended up getting second place.
Comment of CrunCher:
It's been a while since I have played for a team, so I am excited to be joining iP. I have played against some of their Warcraft 3 members years ago, and know they are a strong organization. I plan on helping them continue that into Starcraft 2. I hope everyone can support us, and enjoy what we have to offer!
Comment of iP.Fast:
We were looking for some very skilled foreign players in our team. If you remember in Warcraft 3 we allways had some skilled forein players. Cruncher - is a nice opportunity for us, i' happy that Cruncher with us now.
Comment of iP.Gl1de:
As a head manager of iP.sc2, i'm happy that we gonna have a player like CrunCher in roster. Its a great prospect for us and a great choice for CrunCher. We gonna do everything we can do for CrunCher to progress fast and we rely on him.
New iP line up:
Abdulaziz 'CrunCher' Abed Mikhail 'IntoXi' Budnichenko Andrei 'kinder' Yermakov Nikolai 'Manning' Leontiev Ilya 'my-love' Shivrin Dmitriy 'RZP' Klopov Alexander 'Unix' Solyakov Vladimir 'MefiSTo' Chernikov
Haha I was just noticing yesterday how he was still second highest elo non-Korean on Complexity (behind qxc). Glad to have him back, he was always one of my favourite foreigner Protosses. :D
YAY! It is always awesome to see players come back from being inactive! GL to CrunCher with his new team and I look forward to watching him in the NASL!
I've always been a HUGE fan of his play, and I, for one, am very excited about his return! He will post great results and be on a more notable team soon enough! =D
On April 03 2012 03:39 Diamond wrote: If this is actually serious, I can't see Cruncher having much success, he relied on a style back when he played which is beyond dated at this point.
Wait what?
He played a style that was pretty standard back when he was active but now that it's dated it's impossible for him to have any success?
He can't just, you know, learn the new metagame like every other player had to do?
On April 03 2012 03:25 KING CHARLIE :D wrote: I've always been a HUGE fan of his play, and I, for one, am very excited about his return! He will post great results and be on a more notable team soon enough! =D
That's not cool man. Don't reply to a team announcement with "Congrats! Hope he leaves you guys ASAP!"
On topic...I'm skeptical he can repeat his results from a year ago. His style was pretty one-dimensional and has since fallen off. He wasn't really impressing in tournaments right before he "retired," and I'm not sure he can get back to where he was. But I'm willing to let him convince me.
On April 03 2012 03:39 Diamond wrote: If this is actually serious, I can't see Cruncher having much success, he relied on a style back when he played which is beyond dated at this point.
I don't understand comments like this. What examples can you provide of players who rely on a certain type of play and disappear entirely when it no longer works? The overwhelming majority of players just adapt like everyone else and stay about where they always were.
On April 03 2012 03:39 Diamond wrote: If this is actually serious, I can't see Cruncher having much success, he relied on a style back when he played which is beyond dated at this point.
I don't understand comments like this. What examples can you provide of players who rely on a certain type of play and disappear entirely when it no longer works? The overwhelming majority of players just adapt like everyone else and stay about where they always were.
How about Cruncher as an example? His style was already starting to lose popularity when he started posting poorer and poorer results and then retired to focus on school.
On April 03 2012 03:39 Diamond wrote: If this is actually serious, I can't see Cruncher having much success, he relied on a style back when he played which is beyond dated at this point.
I don't understand comments like this. What examples can you provide of players who rely on a certain type of play and disappear entirely when it no longer works? The overwhelming majority of players just adapt like everyone else and stay about where they always were.
On April 03 2012 03:39 Diamond wrote: If this is actually serious, I can't see Cruncher having much success, he relied on a style back when he played which is beyond dated at this point.
I don't understand comments like this. What examples can you provide of players who rely on a certain type of play and disappear entirely when it no longer works? The overwhelming majority of players just adapt like everyone else and stay about where they always were.
My example is Cruncher for 1.
Even just before he retired he was still making his way into MLG Championship Sunday.
On April 03 2012 03:39 Diamond wrote: If this is actually serious, I can't see Cruncher having much success, he relied on a style back when he played which is beyond dated at this point.
Wait what?
He played a style that was pretty standard back when he was active but now that it's dated it's impossible for him to have any success?
He can't just, you know, learn the new metagame like every other player had to do?
i agree with diamond. i've played cruncher a couple times on ladder very recently anyways, and he's really not that great. he played a very abusive style that just doesn't work anymore vs zerg specifically. can't see him having any success.
On April 03 2012 03:41 LeeDawg wrote: disappointed he's not back on complexity. they could use some more high level foreign protoss
They wouldn't find that in Cruncher imo. He never had big results and the only reason he is highlighted for is pretty much his win against IdrA in the TSL 3. Besides his his Ro8 appereance there, he got pretty much stomped in everything else (NASL, MLG). Additionally his playstyle wasn't that too effective anymore back then and today it's just outdated.
On April 03 2012 03:39 Diamond wrote: If this is actually serious, I can't see Cruncher having much success, he relied on a style back when he played which is beyond dated at this point.
I don't understand comments like this. What examples can you provide of players who rely on a certain type of play and disappear entirely when it no longer works? The overwhelming majority of players just adapt like everyone else and stay about where they always were.
My example is Cruncher for 1.
Cruncher was decently successful in all 3 matchups, what style are you talking about here? And he never disappeared because of his quality of play, he quit for school at a time when he was still doing fairly well.
He was a rising star who never got the respect he deserved because IdrA had a vendetta against him. I think these days people are less prone to eating up half the BS IdrA comes out. Just wait and see how well he does this time around.
On April 03 2012 03:41 LeeDawg wrote: disappointed he's not back on complexity. they could use some more high level foreign protoss
They wouldn't find that in Cruncher imo. He never had big results and the only reason he is highlighted for is pretty much his win against IdrA in the TSL 3. Besides his his Ro8 appereance there, he got pretty much stomped in everything else (NASL, MLG). Additionally his playstyle wasn't that too effective anymore back then and today it's just outdated.
He has better results than most NA Protoss players though. Perhaps 4th after Huk, Kiwikaki and TT1?
He's not really a worthwhile pickup for Complexity given they're signing guys like Ganzi but his results are better than most NA players.
On April 03 2012 03:39 Diamond wrote: If this is actually serious, I can't see Cruncher having much success, he relied on a style back when he played which is beyond dated at this point.
I don't understand comments like this. What examples can you provide of players who rely on a certain type of play and disappear entirely when it no longer works? The overwhelming majority of players just adapt like everyone else and stay about where they always were.
My example is Cruncher for 1.
Even just before he retired he was still making his way into MLG Championship Sunday.
The announcement of Crunchers retirement happenend on October, 3rd. His last appearance at the MLG Championship Sunday was Anaheim, which was in July. (and he lucked his way into pool play there, with PvP and one PvT vs merz, who has a trerrible TvP)
I reserve any comments on Cruncher's skill, as I haven't seen him playing for ages, but he has made me laugh in the past and his NASL picture made him look thinner.
On April 03 2012 03:39 Diamond wrote: If this is actually serious, I can't see Cruncher having much success, he relied on a style back when he played which is beyond dated at this point.
I don't understand comments like this. What examples can you provide of players who rely on a certain type of play and disappear entirely when it no longer works? The overwhelming majority of players just adapt like everyone else and stay about where they always were.
Time to see how much he's kept up with the game, who knows ? He might be really bad now for all we know O.o, but if he still played while studying, he might be able to pick up. I doubt he'll be as big of a name as he was (which surprised me in the 1st place back then), but I guess time will tell
lol, I give this a few months before he realizes he's awful again. just beating idra because you make him tilt doesn't make you a good player (i'm aware he's defeated other players as well, but hardly anything noteworthy).
On April 03 2012 03:39 Diamond wrote: If this is actually serious, I can't see Cruncher having much success, he relied on a style back when he played which is beyond dated at this point.
I don't understand comments like this. What examples can you provide of players who rely on a certain type of play and disappear entirely when it no longer works? The overwhelming majority of players just adapt like everyone else and stay about where they always were.
On April 03 2012 03:39 Diamond wrote: If this is actually serious, I can't see Cruncher having much success, he relied on a style back when he played which is beyond dated at this point.
I don't understand comments like this. What examples can you provide of players who rely on a certain type of play and disappear entirely when it no longer works? The overwhelming majority of players just adapt like everyone else and stay about where they always were.
My example is Cruncher for 1.
Even just before he retired he was still making his way into MLG Championship Sunday.
The announcement of Crunchers retirement happenend on October, 3rd. His last appearance at the MLG Championship Sunday was Anaheim, which was in July. (and he lucked his way into pool play there, with PvP and one PvT vs merz, who has a trerrible TvP)
He didn't play at Raleigh at all because he basically went inactive before his officially retired. When he was active he always performed solidly, better than most NA players.
4 Gate doesnt work too well anymore... I dont expect him to be doing anything big to be honest. Anyway, I guess best of luck to him and Incredible Panic.. That name is incredible lol
CrunCher was still doing better then most NA players right before he retired. He was in a slump but to say he retired because his "style" was figured out requires a great leap of faith. CrunCher was one of the best stargate users he was one of the first protoss to incorporate Warp Prism and he was using Motherships in PVZ before anybody. I wonder how many people actually watched him play.
Sickest come back! Probably one of the most talented players out there. At least he was before he retired, even taking games off IdrA with a smile. Maybe he can attempt Code A or something after dominating the mid-low NA GM like desrow did before him? Haha one can dream. Congrats and good luck!
I'm pretty sure that Cruncher can be as successful as he was before if he learns to execute 2 base all-ins. Protoss still has loads of things that can be abused.
On April 03 2012 05:25 Fealthas wrote: Is this the bmer and troll like that combatX guy? Or someone else?
What are you talking about? It's not Combatex... combatex is combatex. This is cruncher, who coincidentally is cruncher. Not combatex.
He's famous from TSL where Idra BMed him in the chat before the game, and then Cruncher crunched him and typed a "" in chat when it was obvious that he'd won as an offensive GG. He was also famous for playing every game ZvP as turtle protoss on 3 bases and mass collosi and void rays and just wait basically, which at the time was considered abusive and op.
On April 03 2012 04:55 Incognoto wrote: I'm pretty sure that Cruncher can be as successful as he was before if he learns to execute 2 base all-ins. Protoss still has loads of things that can be abused.
I'd love to see Idra crush Cruncher again though.
Ehh besides TSL3 he didn't really have any success.
Not that it matters much; idrA is doing so awful lately that he probably doesn't even care about crunchier anymore
On April 03 2012 05:15 Hypemeup wrote: Another mid-tier american player, I wonder if he will post any more results then beating an overrated zerg.
Damn, so edgy bro.
But in all seriousness it is funny how he comes back when protoss is favorable again..
Protoss is favored right now? What about Stephano?
He did not say "favored", he said "favorable", as in "enjoyably playable at a competitive level", not "crushing face everywhere". But well if you really want to hear it, yes, Protoss is probably favored nowadays :D
On April 03 2012 04:55 ZenithM wrote: Sickest come back! Probably one of the most talented players out there. At least he was before he retired, even taking games off IdrA with a smile. Maybe he can attempt Code A or something after dominating the mid-low NA GM like desrow did before him? Haha one can dream. Congrats and good luck!
One of the most talented players out there? Placing top 20 in the OPEN bracket @ MLG sure is impressive compared to the likes of all koreans + tons of foreigners. There is no point to attempt code a, he would get so crushed in the qualifiers.
Oh man this is sick news I learned a lot about PvZ from watching Cruncher back when the Colosuss Voidray deathbal was the thing. Can't wait to see what he has going for him now, really excited man and welcome back.
Hmmm... I was hoping he would keep playing when he was with Complexity since he was showing some good results, but now he is coming back after taking a break and joining some unknown team? I honestly don't expect to see much out of him, but we will see.
On April 03 2012 05:15 Hypemeup wrote: Another mid-tier american player, I wonder if he will post any more results then beating an overrated zerg.
Damn, so edgy bro.
But in all seriousness it is funny how he comes back when protoss is favorable again..
Protoss is favored right now? What about Stephano?
What does a player who is a long way from the best in the world have to do with Protoss balance?
There's no way you can say Stephano is a long way from the best in the world. He's one of the premier zergs in the world, and has accomplished this while playing almost exclusively outside of Korea.
On April 03 2012 07:45 DannyJ wrote: Ahh one of those people known as "the guy who beat IdrA"
In all fairness Cruncher actually made a name for himself with pretty solid results over quite a long period of time (though nothing too major). I don't think it is fair to compare him to someone like Trimaster who had one good run at MLG which consisted of taking out IdrA, and then has done nothing since.
That would infer they're on atleast close to the same level which is false since IdrA is at a significantly higher level then Cruncher can ever really wish to be at. Though good for Cuncher coming back
That would infer they're on atleast close to the same level which is false since IdrA is at a significantly higher level then Cruncher can ever really wish to be at. Though good for Cuncher coming back
Idra may seem good because of his macro, but cruncher is by far the superior player. Sure idra would win vs him right now, but in a year it would go 4-0 cruncher everytime in a bo7. It would take to long to explain, but any player who is very very good knows why i say that.
That would infer they're on atleast close to the same level which is false since IdrA is at a significantly higher level then Cruncher can ever really wish to be at. Though good for Cuncher coming back
Idra may seem good because of his macro, but cruncher is by far the superior player. Sure idra would win vs him right now, but in a year it would go 4-0 cruncher everytime in a bo7. It would take to long to explain, but any player who is very very good knows why i say that.
Most "very very good" players actually fully disagree with that. Cruncher was not a massive mechanics player, nor a very creative player. He is very good at being defensive or early one base all ins, but in the modern SC2 (namely PvZ) just turling will get you a quick loss thanks to modern Zergs like Stephano and 1 base Protoss v Z is all but dead on the pro scene. Even 4 gate (his old go to build) can't kill a Zerg that went hatch first anymore (unless the zerg massively fucks up). Basically why i think he won't succeed is how the game has changed and what the modern styles are.
That would infer they're on atleast close to the same level which is false since IdrA is at a significantly higher level then Cruncher can ever really wish to be at. Though good for Cuncher coming back
Idra may seem good because of his macro, but cruncher is by far the superior player. Sure idra would win vs him right now, but in a year it would go 4-0 cruncher everytime in a bo7. It would take to long to explain, but any player who is very very good knows why i say that.
Most "very very good" players actually fully disagree with that. Cruncher was not a massive mechanics player, nor a very creative player. He is very good at being defensive or early one base all ins, but in the modern SC2 (namely PvZ) just turling will get you a quick loss thanks to modern Zergs like Stephano and 1 base Protoss v Z is all but dead on the pro scene. Even 4 gate (his old go to build) can't kill a Zerg that went hatch first anymore (unless the zerg massively fucks up). Basically why i think he won't succeed is how the game has changed and what the modern styles are.
you are not a very very good player.
you also have showcased flawed logic near the beginning of the thread to justify your own anger at him coming back to the scene. are you incapable of realizing that he will likely practice what's good right now, and not just what he did before (which, at the time he did it, was what was good right then).
That would infer they're on atleast close to the same level which is false since IdrA is at a significantly higher level then Cruncher can ever really wish to be at. Though good for Cuncher coming back
Idra may seem good because of his macro, but cruncher is by far the superior player. Sure idra would win vs him right now, but in a year it would go 4-0 cruncher everytime in a bo7. It would take to long to explain, but any player who is very very good knows why i say that.
That would infer they're on atleast close to the same level which is false since IdrA is at a significantly higher level then Cruncher can ever really wish to be at. Though good for Cuncher coming back
Idra may seem good because of his macro, but cruncher is by far the superior player. Sure idra would win vs him right now, but in a year it would go 4-0 cruncher everytime in a bo7. It would take to long to explain, but any player who is very very good knows why i say that.
Most "very very good" players actually fully disagree with that. Cruncher was not a massive mechanics player, nor a very creative player. He is very good at being defensive or early one base all ins, but in the modern SC2 (namely PvZ) just turling will get you a quick loss thanks to modern Zergs like Stephano and 1 base Protoss v Z is all but dead on the pro scene. Even 4 gate (his old go to build) can't kill a Zerg that went hatch first anymore (unless the zerg massively fucks up). Basically why i think he won't succeed is how the game has changed and what the modern styles are.
iirc all cruncher was ever known for was turtle on those 3 base ezpz turtle maps and getting void ray colossus out ;p
the game has evolved so much since then, aggressive roach ling pressures would crush such tech heavy play
"player of world class" might be a bit of a stretch.. anyway gl but I would be very surprised if he could reach the top tier, maybe he will prove me wrong
That would infer they're on atleast close to the same level which is false since IdrA is at a significantly higher level then Cruncher can ever really wish to be at. Though good for Cuncher coming back
Idra may seem good because of his macro, but cruncher is by far the superior player. Sure idra would win vs him right now, but in a year it would go 4-0 cruncher everytime in a bo7. It would take to long to explain, but any player who is very very good knows why i say that.
Most "very very good" players actually fully disagree with that. Cruncher was not a massive mechanics player, nor a very creative player. He is very good at being defensive or early one base all ins, but in the modern SC2 (namely PvZ) just turling will get you a quick loss thanks to modern Zergs like Stephano and 1 base Protoss v Z is all but dead on the pro scene. Even 4 gate (his old go to build) can't kill a Zerg that went hatch first anymore (unless the zerg massively fucks up). Basically why i think he won't succeed is how the game has changed and what the modern styles are.
you are not a very very good player.
you also have showcased flawed logic near the beginning of the thread to justify your own anger at him coming back to the scene. are you incapable of realizing that he will likely practice what's good right now, and not just what he did before (which, at the time he did it, was what was good right then).
You are right, I am not, however I talk to many many very good players on a very regular basis which is what that statement was based off of.
And we will see I guess, I don't think he has it in him to be competitive with his mechanics alone, ignoring creativity. Only time will tell however.
That would infer they're on atleast close to the same level which is false since IdrA is at a significantly higher level then Cruncher can ever really wish to be at. Though good for Cuncher coming back
Idra may seem good because of his macro, but cruncher is by far the superior player. Sure idra would win vs him right now, but in a year it would go 4-0 cruncher everytime in a bo7. It would take to long to explain, but any player who is very very good knows why i say that.
That would infer they're on atleast close to the same level which is false since IdrA is at a significantly higher level then Cruncher can ever really wish to be at. Though good for Cuncher coming back
Idra may seem good because of his macro, but cruncher is by far the superior player. Sure idra would win vs him right now, but in a year it would go 4-0 cruncher everytime in a bo7. It would take to long to explain, but any player who is very very good knows why i say that.
Most "very very good" players actually fully disagree with that. Cruncher was not a massive mechanics player, nor a very creative player. He is very good at being defensive or early one base all ins, but in the modern SC2 (namely PvZ) just turling will get you a quick loss thanks to modern Zergs like Stephano and 1 base Protoss v Z is all but dead on the pro scene. Even 4 gate (his old go to build) can't kill a Zerg that went hatch first anymore (unless the zerg massively fucks up). Basically why i think he won't succeed is how the game has changed and what the modern styles are.
iirc all cruncher was ever known for was turtle on those 3 base ezpz turtle maps and getting void ray colossus out ;p
the game has evolved so much since then, aggressive roach ling pressures would crush such tech heavy play
"are you incapable of realizing that he will likely practice what's good right now, and not just what he did before (which, at the time he did it, was what was good right then)."
since he did decently in wc3 after taking many 'breaks' and getting bored repeatedly but coming back strong several times, imo hes used to this.
also want to mention i think he will retire again but he will get to a decent level in the time that hes back.
On April 03 2012 08:17 TotalBiscuit wrote: Anything that riles up IdrA fanbois is good in my book, welcome back
Long time not seen a direct comment to IdrA (or his fans) ^^ Good luck, have fun in America. I´m looking forward to IPL 4.
And I neeeeeed more Terraria with you and Jesse, I hope you didn´t became insane because of him. And I love the Tribes videos, wheather it´s Mailbox or complete vids.
Btw, good luck Cruncher I don´t really like turtle styles but you made interesting games nonetheless
On April 03 2012 08:17 TotalBiscuit wrote: Anything that riles up IdrA fanbois is good in my book, welcome back
Long time not seen a direct comment to IdrA (or his fans) ^^ Good luck, have fun in America. I´m looking forward to IPL 4.
And I neeeeeed more Terraria with you and Jesse, I hope you didn´t became insane because of him. And I love the Tribes videos, wheather it´s Mailbox or complete vids.
Btw, good luck Cruncher I don´t really like turtle styles but you made interesting games nonetheless
You should see some of his later games, before he went inactive:
Yes that is 12 gateways on two bases for the sole purpose of hitting one of the coolest timing attack's I've seen come out of a protoss player.
Didn't really notice he was gone, to be honest. He'll probably end up being just as irrelevant as IdrA is now; but hey, at least they'll be able to keep competing at each other's level.
On April 03 2012 09:26 BreakfastTea wrote: Didn't really notice he was gone, to be honest. He'll probably end up being just as irrelevant as IdrA is now; but hey, at least they'll be able to keep competing at each other's level.
IdrA is far from irrelevant lol. No matter how shitty he's doing, he will never become irrelevant, just for the sheer fact that he is Idra
On April 03 2012 09:26 BreakfastTea wrote: Didn't really notice he was gone, to be honest. He'll probably end up being just as irrelevant as IdrA is now; but hey, at least they'll be able to keep competing at each other's level.
IdrA is far from irrelevant lol. No matter how shitty he's doing, he will never become irrelevant, just for the sheer fact that he is Idra
That would infer they're on atleast close to the same level which is false since IdrA is at a significantly higher level then Cruncher can ever really wish to be at. Though good for Cuncher coming back
Idra may seem good because of his macro, but cruncher is by far the superior player. Sure idra would win vs him right now, but in a year it would go 4-0 cruncher everytime in a bo7. It would take to long to explain, but any player who is very very good knows why i say that.
Most "very very good" players actually fully disagree with that. Cruncher was not a massive mechanics player, nor a very creative player. He is very good at being defensive or early one base all ins, but in the modern SC2 (namely PvZ) just turling will get you a quick loss thanks to modern Zergs like Stephano and 1 base Protoss v Z is all but dead on the pro scene. Even 4 gate (his old go to build) can't kill a Zerg that went hatch first anymore (unless the zerg massively fucks up). Basically why i think he won't succeed is how the game has changed and what the modern styles are.
you are not a very very good player.
you also have showcased flawed logic near the beginning of the thread to justify your own anger at him coming back to the scene. are you incapable of realizing that he will likely practice what's good right now, and not just what he did before (which, at the time he did it, was what was good right then).
You are right, I am not, however I talk to many many very good players on a very regular basis which is what that statement was based off of.
And we will see I guess, I don't think he has it in him to be competitive with his mechanics alone, ignoring creativity. Only time will tell however.
I talk to even more very very good players on an even more regular basis and they all agree (but I have to post for them they're too busy being better than your very very good players) that you're wrong.
That would infer they're on atleast close to the same level which is false since IdrA is at a significantly higher level then Cruncher can ever really wish to be at. Though good for Cuncher coming back
Idra may seem good because of his macro, but cruncher is by far the superior player. Sure idra would win vs him right now, but in a year it would go 4-0 cruncher everytime in a bo7. It would take to long to explain, but any player who is very very good knows why i say that.
Most "very very good" players actually fully disagree with that. Cruncher was not a massive mechanics player, nor a very creative player. He is very good at being defensive or early one base all ins, but in the modern SC2 (namely PvZ) just turling will get you a quick loss thanks to modern Zergs like Stephano and 1 base Protoss v Z is all but dead on the pro scene. Even 4 gate (his old go to build) can't kill a Zerg that went hatch first anymore (unless the zerg massively fucks up). Basically why i think he won't succeed is how the game has changed and what the modern styles are.
you are not a very very good player.
you also have showcased flawed logic near the beginning of the thread to justify your own anger at him coming back to the scene. are you incapable of realizing that he will likely practice what's good right now, and not just what he did before (which, at the time he did it, was what was good right then).
You are right, I am not, however I talk to many many very good players on a very regular basis which is what that statement was based off of.
And we will see I guess, I don't think he has it in him to be competitive with his mechanics alone, ignoring creativity. Only time will tell however.
I talk to even more very very good players on an even more regular basis and they all agree (but I have to post for them they're too busy being better than your very very good players) that you're wrong.
Except one of us two has credibility to make statements like this and it's not you.
I'm really curious how his playstyle is going to be now, he was onboard the never attack and max on colossi + gateway and win train. Which doesn't really work now.
On April 03 2012 08:17 TotalBiscuit wrote: Anything that riles up IdrA fanbois is good in my book, welcome back
Long time not seen a direct comment to IdrA (or his fans) ^^ Good luck, have fun in America. I´m looking forward to IPL 4.
And I neeeeeed more Terraria with you and Jesse, I hope you didn´t became insane because of him. And I love the Tribes videos, wheather it´s Mailbox or complete vids.
Btw, good luck Cruncher I don´t really like turtle styles but you made interesting games nonetheless
Yes that is 12 gateways on two bases for the sole purpose of hitting one of the coolest timing attack's I've seen come out of a protoss player.
Im not sure if my favorite part of that game was when cruncher went from 100 max supply to 150 max supply instantly, or when golden went from 200 max supply to 100 max supply instantly rofl.
That would infer they're on atleast close to the same level which is false since IdrA is at a significantly higher level then Cruncher can ever really wish to be at. Though good for Cuncher coming back
Idra may seem good because of his macro, but cruncher is by far the superior player. Sure idra would win vs him right now, but in a year it would go 4-0 cruncher everytime in a bo7. It would take to long to explain, but any player who is very very good knows why i say that.
Most "very very good" players actually fully disagree with that. Cruncher was not a massive mechanics player, nor a very creative player. He is very good at being defensive or early one base all ins, but in the modern SC2 (namely PvZ) just turling will get you a quick loss thanks to modern Zergs like Stephano and 1 base Protoss v Z is all but dead on the pro scene. Even 4 gate (his old go to build) can't kill a Zerg that went hatch first anymore (unless the zerg massively fucks up). Basically why i think he won't succeed is how the game has changed and what the modern styles are.
you are not a very very good player.
you also have showcased flawed logic near the beginning of the thread to justify your own anger at him coming back to the scene. are you incapable of realizing that he will likely practice what's good right now, and not just what he did before (which, at the time he did it, was what was good right then).
You are right, I am not, however I talk to many many very good players on a very regular basis which is what that statement was based off of.
And we will see I guess, I don't think he has it in him to be competitive with his mechanics alone, ignoring creativity. Only time will tell however.
I talk to even more very very good players on an even more regular basis and they all agree (but I have to post for them they're too busy being better than your very very good players) that you're wrong.
Except one of us two has credibility to make statements like this and it's not you.
Diamond is right. Cruncher was a good player but he was never really super strong in any area, just a solid all-around protoss who used some cheesy builds and some defensive ones.
CrunCher is such a cool guy, glad to see hes playing again. I always enjoyed his playstyle, and he had a knack for taking down players you thought he couldn't handle. GL CrunCher make Idra rage again!
Just to clear this up, for those of you who think his play is one-dimensional, it's not. Any smart player will choose a strategy/playstyle that fits the metagame at the time that will secure him the highest chance of winning. So he played to win and not to entertain - and he was good at it.
In practice, we did do more multidimensional strats but he stuck to what worked best. The same can be said of any player out there. And FYI, what worked best for him got him good results, so I wouldn't hate on him for that.
GL Cruncher, HF bm'ing your new teammates =P I hope you're legal now so you can go to bars at the next MLG.
On April 03 2012 13:00 mango_destroyer wrote: I don`t know why some seem to hate the guy. Also people talking about the game evolving as if he won`t evolve his own game as well.
Anyway welcome back and goodluck in the future cruncher.
Idra has a lot of fans therefore a lot of people dont like Cruncher. T_T
That would infer they're on atleast close to the same level which is false since IdrA is at a significantly higher level then Cruncher can ever really wish to be at. Though good for Cuncher coming back
Idra may seem good because of his macro, but cruncher is by far the superior player. Sure idra would win vs him right now, but in a year it would go 4-0 cruncher everytime in a bo7. It would take to long to explain, but any player who is very very good knows why i say that.
That would infer they're on atleast close to the same level which is false since IdrA is at a significantly higher level then Cruncher can ever really wish to be at. Though good for Cuncher coming back
Idra may seem good because of his macro, but cruncher is by far the superior player. Sure idra would win vs him right now, but in a year it would go 4-0 cruncher everytime in a bo7. It would take to long to explain, but any player who is very very good knows why i say that.
Most "very very good" players actually fully disagree with that. Cruncher was not a massive mechanics player, nor a very creative player. He is very good at being defensive or early one base all ins, but in the modern SC2 (namely PvZ) just turling will get you a quick loss thanks to modern Zergs like Stephano and 1 base Protoss v Z is all but dead on the pro scene. Even 4 gate (his old go to build) can't kill a Zerg that went hatch first anymore (unless the zerg massively fucks up). Basically why i think he won't succeed is how the game has changed and what the modern styles are.
iirc all cruncher was ever known for was turtle on those 3 base ezpz turtle maps and getting void ray colossus out ;p
the game has evolved so much since then, aggressive roach ling pressures would crush such tech heavy play
Uh...and Flash also turtles on 3 bases and waits for a 2-1 timing attack so what's your point? I know, It's two completely different games but the concept remains the same. It doesn't matter what strategy you use as long as it wins and Cruncher uses a strategy he feels comfortable with.
On April 03 2012 13:00 mango_destroyer wrote: I don`t know why some seem to hate the guy. Also people talking about the game evolving as if he won`t evolve his own game as well.
Anyway welcome back and goodluck in the future cruncher.
People dislike him because he has a very cheesy/abusive style that he rarely deviated from. I suspect that there are more reasons but this is one that I identify as most obvious.
Lolll. I love the link from when Blistering Sands was still in the map pool xD
Omg destiny has changed sooo much since then rofl. 20$ lessons? he'd be doing lessons 24/7 Anyways welcome back cruncher! bring coL fan here happy u got a new team :D
On April 03 2012 13:00 mango_destroyer wrote: I don`t know why some seem to hate the guy. Also people talking about the game evolving as if he won`t evolve his own game as well.
Anyway welcome back and goodluck in the future cruncher.
People dislike him because he has a very cheesy/abusive style that he rarely deviated from. I suspect that there are more reasons but this is one that I identify as most obvious.
Wasn't he also accused of stream cheating at one point? I can't remember for sure but I thought that was the case. Regardless he did put out some impressive play at the time.
What a sad remark, when all people remember about you isn't great performance, but a singular Bo3 against a player whose notoriety stems mostly from his bad manner.
Nice original name for a team. I wish they could have thought of something else. But good for Cruchcer. Maybe he was bad at school and want 2 give this a real shot. But i am afraid it won't take him far.
Lolll. I love the link from when Blistering Sands was still in the map pool xD
Omg destiny has changed sooo much since then rofl. 20$ lessons? he'd be doing lessons 24/7 Anyways welcome back cruncher! bring coL fan here happy u got a new team :D
Yea his fps was way bad before also. He must have gotten a new pc or something.
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? He might be really bad now for all we know O.o, but if he still played while studying, he might be able to pick up. I doubt he'll be as big of a name as he was (which surprised me in the 1st place back then), but I guess time will tell 
I learned a lot about PvZ from watching Cruncher back when the Colosuss Voidray deathbal was the thing. Can't wait to see what he has going for him now, really excited man and welcome back.
, but i am incredibly excited for CrunCher to be back ![[image loading]](http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/030403/my-dad.gif)
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