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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
March 30 2012 14:05 GMT
#261
I hope this does not end like sc2con. But I agree that sc2 needs some sort of big body, as long as there is some sort of control of the general community over it, which I think there is.
quickclickz
Profile Joined June 2011
United States81 Posts
March 30 2012 14:07 GMT
#262
http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/post/20162736523/kespa-and-korea

We should probably hope this works given what Boss has said.
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Beeblistical
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia26 Posts
March 30 2012 14:08 GMT
#263
I just want teams and their players right now to keep playing like they always used to. And teams to send players to MLG, IEM, Dreamhack, HomeStory etc like they do now. I would also love for Broodwar teams to switch to SC2 so that we can have more teams in team leagues than now. But it seems like broodwar teams might just play with themselves? While current teams just stick to GOM? I really don't get this contract stuff; but it would be great to have a massive team league where all the teams are there. Then it would be like the actual sports leagues (NBA has 30 teams?) where there are more than 10 teams (or how many teams there are now, too lazy to count)
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SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 14:14:31
March 30 2012 14:12 GMT
#264
EDIT: never mind, I'm blind
Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
March 30 2012 14:14 GMT
#265
On March 30 2012 23:12 SolidMustard wrote:
Interestingly enough, FXO isn't a part of this.

read again.
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AGsc
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada120 Posts
March 30 2012 14:16 GMT
#266
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 30 2012 13:46 FXOBoSs wrote:
Hi guys,

The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".

It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.

It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.

I hope this helps.

Regards

FXOBoSs


A lot of new (post-BW) fans just don't have the attachment to BW players and teams that they do to SC2 teams and GSL. Given that these new fans make up a huge part of the foreigner fan base I don't see the current SC2 teams losing their primacy overall. This SC2 Federation makes complete sense, though, because in Korea Kespa knows it has the upper hand. Blizzard needs to recognize that current SC2 teams have done all the heavy lifting and have most of the fan base. I'm interested to see Flash and Jaedong play SC2 (even though I have a hard time believing that they will achieve some kind of instant dominance), but If I'm staying up late to watch a Korean league it will be GSL. It will also be a huge turnoff if Kespa tries to monopolize players while SC2 Fed is allowing anyone to join.
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Tanatos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States381 Posts
March 30 2012 14:23 GMT
#267
On March 30 2012 23:16 AGsc wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 30 2012 13:46 FXOBoSs wrote:
Hi guys,

The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".

It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.

It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.

I hope this helps.

Regards

FXOBoSs


A lot of new (post-BW) fans just don't have the attachment to BW players and teams that they do to SC2 teams and GSL. Given that these new fans make up a huge part of the foreigner fan base I don't see the current SC2 teams losing their primacy overall. This SC2 Federation makes complete sense, though, because in Korea Kespa knows it has the upper hand. Blizzard needs to recognize that current SC2 teams have done all the heavy lifting and have most of the fan base. I'm interested to see Flash and Jaedong play SC2 (even though I have a hard time believing that they will achieve some kind of instant dominance), but If I'm staying up late to watch a Korean league it will be GSL. It will also be a huge turnoff if Kespa tries to monopolize players while SC2 Fed is allowing anyone to join.


Just to make things to be clear, it is e-sports Fed. I really think they will involve Korean LOL teams into this organization.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
March 30 2012 14:26 GMT
#268
Good to see some sort of central governing body forming, it's definitely something the scene desperately needed. I hope they enter earnest negotiations with Blizzard and KeSPA so that they won't become another SC2Con.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 30 2012 14:31 GMT
#269
i KesPA tries to be too insular and refuse all foreigners right to participate on the pro-league cant Blizz step up and say "yo, thats no good you have to give foreigners a chance to participate"?
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
March 30 2012 14:35 GMT
#270
On March 30 2012 23:31 Forikorder wrote:
i KesPA tries to be too insular and refuse all foreigners right to participate on the pro-league cant Blizz step up and say "yo, thats no good you have to give foreigners a chance to participate"?

once Kespa gets the right to run their tournament, Blizzard will not really have anything they can do. You can't tell them how they can and can't run their tournament.

Also, why is it just assumed that Kespa is pure evil and are going to run the foreigners out of town? Back in BW if a foreign player had enough skill/determination he could participate in their games... just no one had enough skill to be past the B-teams.
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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
March 30 2012 14:36 GMT
#271
On March 30 2012 23:26 OpticalShot wrote:
Good to see some sort of central governing body forming, it's definitely something the scene desperately needed. I hope they enter earnest negotiations with Blizzard and KeSPA so that they won't become another SC2Con.

How is a central governing body desperatly needed? If anything, I would say that the current model of foreign tournaments proves that there is no need for a centralized bureaucratic organization that gets to decide who competes.
Uracil
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany422 Posts
March 30 2012 14:36 GMT
#272
On March 30 2012 23:31 Forikorder wrote:
i KesPA tries to be too insular and refuse all foreigners right to participate on the pro-league cant Blizz step up and say "yo, thats no good you have to give foreigners a chance to participate"?

If the new OGN LoL league is a indication of what they will do I'm sure they will try include foreigners in some way.
MaV_gGSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1345 Posts
March 30 2012 14:37 GMT
#273
eSF. Sounds good It also sounds like a counter strike team o_O
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 30 2012 14:40 GMT
#274
On March 30 2012 23:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 23:31 Forikorder wrote:
i KesPA tries to be too insular and refuse all foreigners right to participate on the pro-league cant Blizz step up and say "yo, thats no good you have to give foreigners a chance to participate"?

once Kespa gets the right to run their tournament, Blizzard will not really have anything they can do. You can't tell them how they can and can't run their tournament.

Also, why is it just assumed that Kespa is pure evil and are going to run the foreigners out of town? Back in BW if a foreign player had enough skill/determination he could participate in their games... just no one had enough skill to be past the B-teams.

having jsut read FXOBoss's blog he linked on reddit he certainly made it sound like unless your on a korean team (as in on a korean that is based in Korea with more koreans then foreigners) then you wont be able to participate in the proleague, so if HuK for instance wanted to hed have to leave EG and join a korean team like slayers or IM
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
March 30 2012 14:41 GMT
#275
On March 30 2012 23:07 quickclickz wrote:
http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/post/20162736523/kespa-and-korea

We should probably hope this works given what Boss has said.


I love his blog haha, always seems to know what's going on and telling the truth!
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Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
March 30 2012 14:41 GMT
#276
This is exciting! Big thanks to FXOBOSS for his insider info as well! Team Liquid.net is the greatest site because we are kept in the loop like this! =D
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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
March 30 2012 14:50 GMT
#277
On March 30 2012 23:40 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 23:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On March 30 2012 23:31 Forikorder wrote:
i KesPA tries to be too insular and refuse all foreigners right to participate on the pro-league cant Blizz step up and say "yo, thats no good you have to give foreigners a chance to participate"?

once Kespa gets the right to run their tournament, Blizzard will not really have anything they can do. You can't tell them how they can and can't run their tournament.

Also, why is it just assumed that Kespa is pure evil and are going to run the foreigners out of town? Back in BW if a foreign player had enough skill/determination he could participate in their games... just no one had enough skill to be past the B-teams.

having jsut read FXOBoss's blog he linked on reddit he certainly made it sound like unless your on a korean team (as in on a korean that is based in Korea with more koreans then foreigners) then you wont be able to participate in the proleague, so if HuK for instance wanted to hed have to leave EG and join a korean team like slayers or IM

Just read the blog, very interesting... Again though lots of people are just claiming Kespa as evil(Not you but in general) but from what I can tell its legally all they can do. I expect some loop hole to be found that will allow partnership teams to participate. The only bad thing I am really worried about is the scheduling conflict... To all those people wanting "NA or EU only tournaments" Careful what you ask for, some boring ass tournies incoming without the Korean star power...
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
March 30 2012 14:52 GMT
#278
still wondering though...does this somehow improve the chance of Team 8 getting sponsored...
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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
March 30 2012 14:53 GMT
#279
On March 30 2012 23:40 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 23:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On March 30 2012 23:31 Forikorder wrote:
i KesPA tries to be too insular and refuse all foreigners right to participate on the pro-league cant Blizz step up and say "yo, thats no good you have to give foreigners a chance to participate"?

once Kespa gets the right to run their tournament, Blizzard will not really have anything they can do. You can't tell them how they can and can't run their tournament.

Also, why is it just assumed that Kespa is pure evil and are going to run the foreigners out of town? Back in BW if a foreign player had enough skill/determination he could participate in their games... just no one had enough skill to be past the B-teams.

having jsut read FXOBoss's blog he linked on reddit he certainly made it sound like unless your on a korean team (as in on a korean that is based in Korea with more koreans then foreigners) then you wont be able to participate in the proleague, so if HuK for instance wanted to hed have to leave EG and join a korean team like slayers or IM

He would still be allowed to stay with GSL (althought it might become more competitive with the BW guys coming in).

He would also get a less competitive foreign environment when he goes for MLGs, IEMs, etc.

Also people are also confusing Proleague with the regular Individual Starleague. If OGN's effort on the Kespa-sanctioned LoL tournament is any indicator, they could potentially open up the individual league to foreigners.

I don't really get the panic and concern at the moment. The only major cause for one is Koreans not being able to make too many foreign events. Until KeSPA and OGN announce their plans for the INDIVIDUAL Starleague, I think this will not be an issue.
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xSixGeneralHan
Profile Joined April 2011
United States528 Posts
March 30 2012 14:58 GMT
#280
Seems to be a much better arrangement than SC2Con, the goals are very unified among the teams because of the vested interests they share and they look to be singular - to stay relevant and not be overrun by KESPA. Foreigner teams will need to be a somewhat decent part of this though because a lot of the money in the current scene shows through on both sides of the Pacific. So we will see how that works out. Cheers!
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