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keksen
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany10 Posts
March 22 2012 19:19 GMT
#1
http://www.absolutelegends.net/news/958/AbsoluteLegends-expands

AbsoluteLegends is proud to announce that eSahara, an esports organisation formed in 2010, will join AbsoluteLegends. Both organizations considered it the best to join forces, because we both want to achieve the same goal. With the merge, AbsoluteLegends is becoming one of the biggest eSports organizations of Europe. Therefore the Counter Strike 1.6 team, Quake Live player and the StarCraft 2 players will join AbsoluteLegends.

The League of Legends and the DotA2 team will stay with us and participate in tournaments as usual.

Tim Buysse C.E.O. of AbsoluteLegends

I am happy to partner up with Mr. Ryad Abour and his organisation eSahara, for quite some time already I have been helping out eSahara with marketing, since I always had my own project and me and Ryad realised we were both fighting for the same goals we knew this was the best choice to make to unite our forces and stand stronger than we would ever be on our own. By joining forces we will be able to compete with the other top teams in all big competitive games.


Ryad Abour C.E.O. of eSahara

Since the begining of eSahara story many of you are supporting us, and we would like to thank you. Through this project, I wanted to support a gaming organization of top players in the most iconic games and a rich content news portal around a dynamic community. To achieve this goal, we are proud to announce eSahara is merging with AbsoluteLegends and his C.E.O., Tim Buysse, with whom we have done a great job in recent months. This alliance highlights a turning point for AbsoluteLegends teams. In my eyes, our new organization becomes one of the strongest in Europe, I hope that year 2012 will be ours.
Arbeit, Arbeit
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 19:22:38
March 22 2012 19:21 GMT
#2
wow, interesting :O

aL.naama
aL.Satiini ?

and oGs-eSahara partnership still continuing, right?

oGsaL?
LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
March 22 2012 19:21 GMT
#3
this is BIG!
Writer for Red bull (Fr) and Iron Squid (En/Fr) @ClemLeLfe on twitter
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 19:23:31
March 22 2012 19:23 GMT
#4
Interesting...should be good for both organisations.

eS such a cooler tag than aL/AL though.
#freeshauni
lottopk
Profile Joined February 2012
Korea (North)33 Posts
March 22 2012 19:25 GMT
#5
Would probably be better for eSaraha to sit down for a second and sort their business before rushing into next thing.
For the Emporor
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 22 2012 19:27 GMT
#6
Congratulations!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
March 22 2012 19:29 GMT
#7
So never heard of Absolute Legends, who are they?
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 22 2012 19:29 GMT
#8
On March 23 2012 04:29 Xcobidoo wrote:
So never heard of Absolute Legends, who are they?



With the merge, AbsoluteLegends is becoming one of the biggest eSports organizations of Europe.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Arghmyliver
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1077 Posts
March 22 2012 19:30 GMT
#9
Dropping the "e" could get you the first liqueur sponsor in eSports.
Now witness their attempts to fly from tree to tree. Notice they do not so much fly as plummet.
Kustom
Profile Joined January 2012
France5 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 19:34:16
March 22 2012 19:32 GMT
#10
I laughed, and really hard.

They are basically dropping the structure, in a total denial of all the hard work that has been done before the "merge". This is not a real merge, eSahara is just giving all their players for free.

Best move ever (sarcasm inside).

Gl to AL anyway, many ex eSahara players are worth following.
For a moment there, I thought we were in trouble.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
March 22 2012 19:33 GMT
#11
On March 23 2012 04:21 dragonborn wrote:
wow, interesting :O

aL.naama
aL.Satiini ?

and oGs-eSahara partnership still continuing, right?

oGsaL?

I'd assume so.

http://www.absolutelegends.net/teams/194/AbsoluteLegendsoGs
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 19:42:28
March 22 2012 19:41 GMT
#12
On March 23 2012 04:29 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 04:29 Xcobidoo wrote:
So never heard of Absolute Legends, who are they?



Show nested quote +
With the merge, AbsoluteLegends is becoming one of the biggest eSports organizations of Europe.

Well that hardly answers the question does it? "What is Apple?" -"Well, it's a big company."
The 1.6-team, the starcrafters and Strenx were all part of eSahara, don't know about the LoL or DotA-teams though.
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
March 22 2012 19:43 GMT
#13
Looks like their funding... dried up!

I won't let the door hit me, no worries
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
March 22 2012 19:46 GMT
#14
have i missed something or why is the whole ogs lineup listed on their website?
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
March 22 2012 19:47 GMT
#15
On March 23 2012 04:46 Tsubbi wrote:
have i missed something or why is the whole ogs lineup listed on their website?

partnership between eSahara and oGs.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=308663
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
March 22 2012 19:54 GMT
#16
wow, this is pretty big news :O

aL absorbing eS really does make them a formidable organization.
Rockztar
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark210 Posts
March 22 2012 19:55 GMT
#17
I really hope they recruit a player named Bundy..
lacho_u
Profile Joined April 2009
Bulgaria535 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 19:57:23
March 22 2012 19:56 GMT
#18
first time heaar about the absolute legends lol and what is their connection with oGs they own them ?

edited: And also what's happanin with oGs-TL partnership in this case ?
Power is nothing without control
tetrismaan
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark302 Posts
March 22 2012 20:02 GMT
#19
Yea, can anyone explain the oGs-TL and eSahara partnership? I don't quite get it. It is just because their players play in the same house as oGs, or what?
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Shadow_Dog
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada427 Posts
March 22 2012 20:04 GMT
#20
It's eSahara - oGs partnership, similar to what SK - oGs partnership was. It does not affect the oGs-TL partnership.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
March 22 2012 20:05 GMT
#21
their font for absolute legends looks identical with the font used by riot for League of Legends. just kind of humorous
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 20:05:55
March 22 2012 20:05 GMT
#22
I can't believe they actually listed all the oGs players without even mentioning oGs ANYWHERE. -_-

Western esports, you never cease to amaze me (and not in a good way).
RetoX
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong252 Posts
March 22 2012 20:06 GMT
#23
:'(
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Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
March 22 2012 20:08 GMT
#24
Wonder what happens to the eSahara Dota team now
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
March 22 2012 20:08 GMT
#25
ye i love their League of Legends Font how lame is that lol
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Kustom
Profile Joined January 2012
France5 Posts
March 22 2012 20:10 GMT
#26
On March 23 2012 05:08 Skullflower wrote:
Wonder what happens to the eSahara Dota team now


Kicked, as the whole staff (news writers, shoutcasters, designers and web developpers), oh and they heard about it the same time the news popped on teamliquid.
For a moment there, I thought we were in trouble.
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
March 22 2012 20:11 GMT
#27
On March 23 2012 05:08 GizmoPT wrote:
ye i love their League of Legends Font how lame is that lol


Considering that it was originally a League of Legends community it makes perfect sense.
Go go Alliance.
Aikin
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria532 Posts
March 22 2012 20:21 GMT
#28
On March 23 2012 05:05 Talin wrote:
I can't believe they actually listed all the oGs players without even mentioning oGs ANYWHERE. -_-

Western esports, you never cease to amaze me (and not in a good way).


I can´t believe that they managed to write Inca wrong -.- (Inco seriously?), also that list is missing oGsIllusion.

And I still haven´t seen anything come out of the old eSahara-Ogs-Razer Trifecta(?) so im curious if this will change anything.
[A]dmiral Bulldog | Naniwa | [A]lliance
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
March 22 2012 20:23 GMT
#29
On March 23 2012 05:21 007Kain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 05:05 Talin wrote:
I can't believe they actually listed all the oGs players without even mentioning oGs ANYWHERE. -_-

Western esports, you never cease to amaze me (and not in a good way).


I can´t believe that they managed to write Inca wrong -.- (Inco seriously?), also that list is missing oGsIllusion.

And I still haven´t seen anything come out of the old eSahara-Ogs-Razer Trifecta(?) so im curious if this will change anything.

they did send SuperNoVa to iem sao paulo/iem world championship.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
March 22 2012 20:25 GMT
#30
Congrats.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
NoctemSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States771 Posts
March 22 2012 20:29 GMT
#31
Clever Title.
Best of luck AL and eS.
To clear a little up, the oGs-TL partnership is closer to a family thing. They've been together for a while, TL players train at the oGs house. eS has a partnership kind of like coL-MvP. This eS-AL thing sounds like a merger.
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
March 22 2012 20:32 GMT
#32
On March 23 2012 05:10 Kustom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 05:08 Skullflower wrote:
Wonder what happens to the eSahara Dota team now


Kicked, as the whole staff (news writers, shoutcasters, designers and web developpers), oh and they heard about it the same time the news popped on teamliquid.

That's really fucked up.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
March 22 2012 20:33 GMT
#33
nice im glad aL dota is staying, eshara dota team wasn't nearly as good!
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DawN883
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden558 Posts
March 22 2012 20:57 GMT
#34
The title made me smile Best of luck to the players ^^
If the dead are not raised, Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
March 22 2012 21:00 GMT
#35
FFS stop changing names faster than I change my underwear >_< No way to keep up with all this.
Benjamin80
Profile Joined February 2012
581 Posts
March 22 2012 21:01 GMT
#36
On March 23 2012 05:10 Kustom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 05:08 Skullflower wrote:
Wonder what happens to the eSahara Dota team now


Kicked, as the whole staff (news writers, shoutcasters, designers and web developpers), oh and they heard about it the same time the news popped on teamliquid.


lol Wtf. Seriously who is running eSarara?
[QUOTE][B]On March 19 2012 02:32 iNcontroL wrote:[/B] IF LIFE GIVES YOU LEMONS YOU CANNON RUSH[/QUOTE]
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 21:04:02
March 22 2012 21:01 GMT
#37
Mid-teir SC2 organization merges with a mid-teir LoL organization. Fair enough.

edit: And LOL at them listing the oGs players!
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
March 22 2012 21:04 GMT
#38
On March 23 2012 05:10 Kustom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 05:08 Skullflower wrote:
Wonder what happens to the eSahara Dota team now


Kicked, as the whole staff (news writers, shoutcasters, designers and web developpers), oh and they heard about it the same time the news popped on teamliquid.


Not surprising coming from the team that signed a fake bw pro impersonator.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
March 22 2012 21:06 GMT
#39
On March 23 2012 04:33 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 04:21 dragonborn wrote:
wow, interesting :O

aL.naama
aL.Satiini ?

and oGs-eSahara partnership still continuing, right?

oGsaL?

I'd assume so.

http://www.absolutelegends.net/teams/194/AbsoluteLegendsoGs


oGsInCo?

Looked like esahara was throwing a lot of money, not surprised it happened
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 21:17:58
March 22 2012 21:12 GMT
#40
If that doesn't states the rather poor quality of the management in the LoL community, I don't know what will.

aL gets eS best teams a korean partnership for free.

I guess the loan Mr. Abour got wasn't that big after all. So can we finally put them in the same category as Virus because that news is Virus-like. And I thought you were on the good way after the VERDI incident.

PS : Eh illuu, what about you writing a explanation here ? If you have time to fulfill your narcissistic impulse on the Liquipedia, you have time to comment here.
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
March 22 2012 21:20 GMT
#41
I really like the name eSahara. GL in the future!
k!llua
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia895 Posts
March 22 2012 21:40 GMT
#42
so basically this one way for eSahara to dumping their image and start anew.

meh.
my hair is a wookie, your argument is invalid
rexxO
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada44 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 21:44:13
March 22 2012 21:43 GMT
#43
So will aL have two dota2 teams now?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 22 2012 21:47 GMT
#44
Were the staff at eSahara even paid?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
March 22 2012 21:47 GMT
#45
On March 23 2012 05:10 Kustom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 05:08 Skullflower wrote:
Wonder what happens to the eSahara Dota team now


Kicked, as the whole staff (news writers, shoutcasters, designers and web developpers), oh and they heard about it the same time the news popped on teamliquid.


wow, that's pretty fucked
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
TheQforce
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom48 Posts
March 22 2012 21:49 GMT
#46
lol, at the team prefix of al
eSahara--->desert ---->Arabs---->Arabic---->the=al
so
aL.naama= the namma
Quakie
Profile Joined October 2008
Norway725 Posts
March 22 2012 21:51 GMT
#47
On March 23 2012 06:47 Skullflower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 05:10 Kustom wrote:
On March 23 2012 05:08 Skullflower wrote:
Wonder what happens to the eSahara Dota team now


Kicked, as the whole staff (news writers, shoutcasters, designers and web developpers), oh and they heard about it the same time the news popped on teamliquid.


wow, that's pretty fucked

There is something weird about French orgs ... I have always had an iffy feeling for them(see Virus too for example)
layingthelaw
Profile Joined March 2012
4 Posts
March 22 2012 22:05 GMT
#48
Fun fact
Absolute Legends CEO Tim "WetDreaM" Buysse used to be a maphacker in broodwar, dota and was involved in questionable developments in League of legends scene.

http://www.gosugamers.net/general/thread.php?id=433618
http://www.solomid.net/forums/index.php?/topic/11527-wetdream-caught-with-cheating-again/

Gotta give the guy props for sticking around and making a career in so called esports.
illuu
Profile Joined January 2012
18 Posts
March 22 2012 22:16 GMT
#49
On March 23 2012 06:12 Otolia wrote:
If that doesn't states the rather poor quality of the management in the LoL community, I don't know what will.

aL gets eS best teams a korean partnership for free.

I guess the loan Mr. Abour got wasn't that big after all. So can we finally put them in the same category as Virus because that news is Virus-like. And I thought you were on the good way after the VERDI incident.

PS : Eh illuu, what about you writing a explanation here ? If you have time to fulfill your narcissistic impulse on the Liquipedia, you have time to comment here.




Why would I lose my time answering your trashtalks when I have to fulfill my narcissistic impulse on the Liquipedia ? Everything has been said by Tim Buysse and Ryad Abour in their statements.. Really I don't get your point, by the way if you really want some answers, feel free to contact me on mIRC or send me an email to illu@esahara.net, I would be glad to answer your questions.
kiy0
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal593 Posts
March 22 2012 22:19 GMT
#50
On March 23 2012 04:21 LeLfe wrote:
this is BIG!


Like many, citing the above as an example, I just came by to drop a meaningless post therefore raising my post count by one.

User was warned for this post
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FloKi
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1490 Posts
March 22 2012 22:25 GMT
#51
Absolute Legends,is such a bad name for a team.it reminds me when i was 10 y/o playing CS with my friends and we would make a team called '1337 warriors''.eSahara was such a sexy name in my opinion.
Where do whores go?
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
March 23 2012 00:32 GMT
#52
So they transfer the whole team into an unknown team for free?
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Exempt.
Profile Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
March 23 2012 00:39 GMT
#53
How / why is ogs partnering with everyone? i dont get it
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
March 23 2012 00:41 GMT
#54
On March 23 2012 04:55 Rockztar wrote:
I really hope they recruit a player named Bundy..

I'm almost Masters league, just wait for it!
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Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
March 23 2012 00:58 GMT
#55
On March 23 2012 07:19 kiy0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 04:21 LeLfe wrote:
this is BIG!


Like many, citing the above as an example, I just came by to drop a meaningless post therefore raising my post count by one.


Haha, but imagine if no one said anything if an organization signed a new player, etc. it would seem like no one cared.

But anyway, this is clearly more AL absorbing eS than a "merge," but my question is were there any SC2 AL players to begin with?
Or is it simply that all eS players will change to AL? If so, will you acquire more players soon as a result of this?
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
March 23 2012 01:07 GMT
#56
I can't help but love the name, absolute legends!
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44342 Posts
March 23 2012 01:13 GMT
#57
I've never head of Absolute Legends, but I've heard of eSahara. Sigh. Another name switch to keep track of.

As long as the SC2 players still stick around ^^
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Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
March 23 2012 01:15 GMT
#58
On March 23 2012 04:55 Rockztar wrote:
I really hope they recruit a player named Bundy..


you win the thread.

and id love to know more about this player named inco
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
March 23 2012 01:19 GMT
#59
On March 23 2012 10:15 Oiseaux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 04:55 Rockztar wrote:
I really hope they recruit a player named Bundy..


you win the thread.

and id love to know more about this player named inco


lol uve seriously never heard of inco? hes one of the best mexican/korean p users around
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
March 23 2012 01:20 GMT
#60
oh wow.. that sounds pretty cool
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
iYiYi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States489 Posts
March 23 2012 01:23 GMT
#61
Maka didn't seem to make the transfer... shame I was looking forward to his comeback.
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
March 23 2012 01:25 GMT
#62
On March 23 2012 10:23 iYiYi wrote:
Maka didn't seem to make the transfer... shame I was looking forward to his comeback.

?? He's on their SC2 roster.
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Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
March 23 2012 01:26 GMT
#63
Nice! I honestly couldn't stand the name eSahara anyway....
Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
March 23 2012 01:34 GMT
#64
On March 23 2012 10:19 mTwTT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 10:15 Oiseaux wrote:
On March 23 2012 04:55 Rockztar wrote:
I really hope they recruit a player named Bundy..


you win the thread.

and id love to know more about this player named inco


lol uve seriously never heard of inco? hes one of the best mexican/korean p users around



did major switch to toss?
"[S]o be ready to kiss a few donkeys with glued-on paper horns during your unicorn hunt." -Some stupid 4x4 magazine
gakkgakk
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Norway902 Posts
March 23 2012 02:07 GMT
#65
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=100616&currentpage=All

So I guess that WetDream guy is the C.E.O. of aL? The dude doesn't exactly come across as a very reliable person tbh.

And also, what is the deal with oGs in this? The aL webpage lists a bunch of oGs players as part of their "AbsoluteLegends.oGs (Old Generations) , professional South Korean StarCraft II team."
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fortheGG
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1002 Posts
March 23 2012 02:17 GMT
#66
As long as wetdream is at AL I'll never stop thinking they are shady, hope esahara wont suffer.
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 02:48:52
March 23 2012 02:48 GMT
#67
Having seen the way wetdream dealt with mTw and their lol team I wouldn't be suprised to see this all end in a train wreck. The basic strategy he is following: acquire good teams, promise them alot, rack in sponsor money and ad revenue.
KillAudio
Profile Joined October 2010
1364 Posts
March 23 2012 07:02 GMT
#68
lol. A CEO with a bad reputation. Goodluck with that.
From a scale of sheth to idra, how mad are you?
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
March 23 2012 07:09 GMT
#69
What the huck is Absolute Legends? Are they known?
Bad move for eSahara unfortunately
WriterMaru
John Madden
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
American Samoa894 Posts
March 23 2012 07:13 GMT
#70
I think iaguz willl love this!
FOOTBALL
DomiNater
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States527 Posts
March 23 2012 18:11 GMT
#71
Hopefully this doesn't affect oGs too much. They should pull ties with these guys just based on their past alone IMO.
After I captured the elephant in the room, swept her under the rug for the hell of it... I welcome you to the melting through, of a planet that was selfish in its development of a healthy view.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
March 23 2012 18:21 GMT
#72
Hope the players don't end up getting screwed over.
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