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Glad that Nani got the seed. I just hope he improves his abysmal GSL record ;_;
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On March 13 2012 09:06 -TesteR- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote:Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating  " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it. Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick. Can't tell if serious... Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5  Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE.
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I hope Naniwa gets a group with 3 zergs. Then he can show us just how much he stands by his FFE or Die Trying philosophy.
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On March 13 2012 11:59 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:06 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote:Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it. Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick. Can't tell if serious... Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5 Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE.
Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack.
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On March 13 2012 11:59 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:06 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote:Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it. Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick. Can't tell if serious... Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5 Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE.
Not at all, not sure if you understand. How many players beat Mvp and Nestea and Drg? Unless it is everyone in Code S/A/B then this argument cannot be made for ANY ONE.
Naniwa 2012~
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On March 13 2012 12:07 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 11:59 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 13 2012 09:06 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote:Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it. Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick. Can't tell if serious... Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5 Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE. Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack.
You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not
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On March 13 2012 12:09 ThaSlayer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 12:07 The KY wrote:On March 13 2012 11:59 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 13 2012 09:06 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote:Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it. Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick. Can't tell if serious... Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5 Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE. Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack. You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not
He just beat nestea and leenock in MLG winter arena. Instead of just saying "any Code A/B korean" does it, how about you name some? Name some Code A/B koreans who have series wins vs Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, DRG. I doubt you can, nice try though. 
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On March 13 2012 12:09 ThaSlayer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 12:07 The KY wrote:On March 13 2012 11:59 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 13 2012 09:06 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote:Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it. Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick. Can't tell if serious... Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5 Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE. Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack. You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not
You don't have to come first in a major tournament to be a good player.
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Of course the discussion of whether Naniwa deserves a Code S spot is academic; we know he is because he earned one at MLG. Gom may have altered the deal after the fact but as far as everyone, including MLG, was aware at the time, Naniwa had won a Code S spot with his second place at the most stacked MLG ever.
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On March 13 2012 12:17 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 12:09 ThaSlayer wrote:On March 13 2012 12:07 The KY wrote:On March 13 2012 11:59 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 13 2012 09:06 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote:
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Can't tell if serious... Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5 Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE. Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack. You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not You don't have to come first in a major tournament to be a good player.
No one said he's not a good player. We were just saying that he's not Top 10/Top 5 or potential GSL champion, and the chance of him even passing the first round in Code S is slim considering his record in past GSL. You can quote me after next season.
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On March 13 2012 12:23 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 12:17 The KY wrote:On March 13 2012 12:09 ThaSlayer wrote:On March 13 2012 12:07 The KY wrote:On March 13 2012 11:59 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 13 2012 09:06 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:[quote] Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5 Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE. Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack. You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not You don't have to come first in a major tournament to be a good player. No one said he's not a good player. We were just saying that he's not Top 10/Top 5 or potential GSL champion, and the chance of him even passing the first round in Code S is slim considering his record in past GSL. You can quote me after next season.
I can't see that his Code A record of many months ago is relevant. The GSL doesn't have any magical talismanic powers; if he can beat these players outside of the booth he can beat them in it.
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On March 13 2012 12:28 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 12:23 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 13 2012 12:17 The KY wrote:On March 13 2012 12:09 ThaSlayer wrote:On March 13 2012 12:07 The KY wrote:On March 13 2012 11:59 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 13 2012 09:06 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:
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Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE. Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack. You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not You don't have to come first in a major tournament to be a good player. No one said he's not a good player. We were just saying that he's not Top 10/Top 5 or potential GSL champion, and the chance of him even passing the first round in Code S is slim considering his record in past GSL. You can quote me after next season. I can't see that his Code A record of many months ago is relevant. The GSL doesn't have any magical talismanic powers; if he can beat these players outside of the booth he can beat them in it.
You're wrong. The GSL is quite different from any other tournament outside of Korea. The level of competition is one thing, but there's time to prepare for a specific opponent is the most important characteristics of the GSL, and it's the part where most foreigners not able to do well. I could see Naniwa beat Nestea/MVP in a BO3 in MLG, but he will very likely lose to them in GSL. Naniwa could totally beat Lucky any time in a foreigner tournament, but he's just not able to get a single set in Code A.
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On March 13 2012 12:34 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 12:28 The KY wrote:On March 13 2012 12:23 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 13 2012 12:17 The KY wrote:On March 13 2012 12:09 ThaSlayer wrote:On March 13 2012 12:07 The KY wrote:On March 13 2012 11:59 chosenkerrigan wrote:On March 13 2012 09:06 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:
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Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE. Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack. You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not You don't have to come first in a major tournament to be a good player. No one said he's not a good player. We were just saying that he's not Top 10/Top 5 or potential GSL champion, and the chance of him even passing the first round in Code S is slim considering his record in past GSL. You can quote me after next season. I can't see that his Code A record of many months ago is relevant. The GSL doesn't have any magical talismanic powers; if he can beat these players outside of the booth he can beat them in it. You're wrong. The GSL is quite different from any other tournament outside of Korea. The level of competition is one thing, but there's time to prepare for a specific opponent is the most important characteristics of the GSL, and it's the part where most foreigners not able to do well. I could see Naniwa beat Nestea/MVP in a BO3 in MLG, but he will very likely lose to them in GSL. Naniwa could totally beat Lucky any time in a foreigner tournament, but he's just not able to get a single set in Code A.
The thing is the only evidence you have that Naniwa is bad at prepared matches is a couple of Code A series from months ago. You're positing that 'hasn't happened' is equal to 'can never happen'.
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On March 13 2012 11:39 Schmoooopy wrote:
Glad that Nani got the seed. I just hope he improves his abysmal GSL record ;_;
I don't think he can improve that anymore unless he wins it all or just completely sweeping everyone without losing... He's so far back from even making it 50% ratio.
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On March 13 2012 12:39 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 11:39 Schmoooopy wrote:
Glad that Nani got the seed. I just hope he improves his abysmal GSL record ;_; I don't think he can improve that anymore unless he wins it all or just completely sweeping everyone without losing... He's so far back from even making it 50% ratio.
To me, just staying Code S for 2-3 seasons is enough for any foreigner to gain a lot of support.
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The GSL must get their kicks from watching Nani get crushed in their tournies....
How does someone with that bad of a GSL record get seeded into Code S?
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Why would GOM seed Naniwa into Code S?
He's literally gone 1-12 in Code A, not even Code S.
He needs to at least break through Code A first, I don't really care how well he plays in foreign tournaments with Koreans, GSL is an entirely different beast.
Feels like GOM is just seeding him in so that they can be the "good guys" out of that Naniwa drama and gain EU viewership...
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I believe in Naniwa.
Polt's gonna win the tournament, though.
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Im excited to see how protoss is going to do. NANIWA
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