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On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote:Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating  " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it. Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick. Can't tell if serious... Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5  Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
Except for NesTea, of course
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On March 13 2012 09:06 -TesteR- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote:Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it. Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick. Can't tell if serious... Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5 Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
There is no way on earth Naniwa will win Code S. If he actually gets out of his group that will be an exceptional performance for him given he prepares really badly for series (he almost always does the same thing no matter what and doesn't play the player he plays the race), Code S is ridiculously hard now and he has an atrocious record in Korea.
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On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote:Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it. Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick. Can't tell if serious... Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5 Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
Which foreigner would you seed instead?
He can clearly go toe to toe with the best the world has to offer, but more importantly he's living in Korea. GOM have to seed someone who will actually play next season, which for the most part means they need to be living in Korea. They can't seed huk or idra after they both got rofl stomped out of code s and into code b. Sen has forfeited his spot next season, Jinro refuses the seed for pride reasons, so you're left with sase, naniwa and who?
They want a foreigner hope in there, but can't seed the usual suspects due to their terrible performance last season, so what else can they do apart from seed naniwa?
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Buying ticket right now, lets see if nani can win a set.
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On March 13 2012 09:10 Kharnage wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote:Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it. Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick. Can't tell if serious... Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5 Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. Which foreigner would you seed instead? He can clearly go toe to toe with the best the world has to offer, but more importantly he's living in Korea. GOM have to seed someone who will actually play next season, which for the most part means they need to be living in Korea. They can't seed huk or idra after they both got rofl stomped out of code s and into code b. Sen has forfeited his spot next season, Jinro refuses the seed for pride reasons, so you're left with sase, naniwa and who? They want a foreigner hope in there, but can't seed the usual suspects due to their terrible performance last season, so what else can they do apart from seed naniwa?
They shouldn't seed anyone. If you limit yourself to foreingers living in Korea who didn't just drop out of Code S and would accept the spot then yes Naniwa is the best choice...
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On March 13 2012 09:11 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:10 Kharnage wrote:On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote:Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it. Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick. Can't tell if serious... Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5 Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. Which foreigner would you seed instead? He can clearly go toe to toe with the best the world has to offer, but more importantly he's living in Korea. GOM have to seed someone who will actually play next season, which for the most part means they need to be living in Korea. They can't seed huk or idra after they both got rofl stomped out of code s and into code b. Sen has forfeited his spot next season, Jinro refuses the seed for pride reasons, so you're left with sase, naniwa and who? They want a foreigner hope in there, but can't seed the usual suspects due to their terrible performance last season, so what else can they do apart from seed naniwa? They shouldn't seed anyone. If you limit yourself to foreingers living in Korea who didn't just drop out of Code S and would accept the spot then yes Naniwa is the best choice...
They have to seed 2 people. That's their format. They don't have a choice.
Like it or not, someone has to get the spot, and there aren't that many players to pick from. Puma might be a good choice. He did well at IEM:WC. But honestly, Korean ot non-Korean there aren't a lot of good picks apart from Polt who are available for next season.
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On March 13 2012 09:19 Kharnage wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:11 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 09:10 Kharnage wrote:On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote:Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it. Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick. Can't tell if serious... Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5 Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. Which foreigner would you seed instead? He can clearly go toe to toe with the best the world has to offer, but more importantly he's living in Korea. GOM have to seed someone who will actually play next season, which for the most part means they need to be living in Korea. They can't seed huk or idra after they both got rofl stomped out of code s and into code b. Sen has forfeited his spot next season, Jinro refuses the seed for pride reasons, so you're left with sase, naniwa and who? They want a foreigner hope in there, but can't seed the usual suspects due to their terrible performance last season, so what else can they do apart from seed naniwa? They shouldn't seed anyone. If you limit yourself to foreingers living in Korea who didn't just drop out of Code S and would accept the spot then yes Naniwa is the best choice... They have to seed 2 people. That's their format. They don't have a choice. Like it or not, someone has to get the spot, and there aren't that many players to pick from. Puma might be a good choice. He did well at IEM:WC. But honestly, Korean ot non-Korean there aren't a lot of good picks apart from Polt who are available for next season.
Puma and Violet have done more between the start of Season 1 and now than Naniwa.
I'd argue Huk has too.
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On March 13 2012 09:23 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:19 Kharnage wrote:On March 13 2012 09:11 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 09:10 Kharnage wrote:On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote:Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it. Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick. Can't tell if serious... Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5 Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. Which foreigner would you seed instead? He can clearly go toe to toe with the best the world has to offer, but more importantly he's living in Korea. GOM have to seed someone who will actually play next season, which for the most part means they need to be living in Korea. They can't seed huk or idra after they both got rofl stomped out of code s and into code b. Sen has forfeited his spot next season, Jinro refuses the seed for pride reasons, so you're left with sase, naniwa and who? They want a foreigner hope in there, but can't seed the usual suspects due to their terrible performance last season, so what else can they do apart from seed naniwa? They shouldn't seed anyone. If you limit yourself to foreingers living in Korea who didn't just drop out of Code S and would accept the spot then yes Naniwa is the best choice... They have to seed 2 people. That's their format. They don't have a choice. Like it or not, someone has to get the spot, and there aren't that many players to pick from. Puma might be a good choice. He did well at IEM:WC. But honestly, Korean ot non-Korean there aren't a lot of good picks apart from Polt who are available for next season. Puma and Violet have done more between the start of Season 1 and now than Naniwa. I'd argue Huk has too.
My vote would actually goto Huk, but I can understand their reluctance to re-seed him back to code s after getting shunted strait to code B
I expect him to be seeded back into S next season if he does well at MLG
Puma and Violet would both be good picks, but neither would draw as much foreigner interest as Naniwa.
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Woohoo, NaNi and Polt. Perfect seeds 
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On March 13 2012 09:29 Kharnage wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:23 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 09:19 Kharnage wrote:On March 13 2012 09:11 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 09:10 Kharnage wrote:On March 13 2012 09:01 Seraphone wrote:On March 13 2012 08:14 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote:On March 13 2012 06:42 -TesteR- wrote:On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote:
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Can't tell if serious... Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5 Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa. Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw) Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot. But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better. Which foreigner would you seed instead? He can clearly go toe to toe with the best the world has to offer, but more importantly he's living in Korea. GOM have to seed someone who will actually play next season, which for the most part means they need to be living in Korea. They can't seed huk or idra after they both got rofl stomped out of code s and into code b. Sen has forfeited his spot next season, Jinro refuses the seed for pride reasons, so you're left with sase, naniwa and who? They want a foreigner hope in there, but can't seed the usual suspects due to their terrible performance last season, so what else can they do apart from seed naniwa? They shouldn't seed anyone. If you limit yourself to foreingers living in Korea who didn't just drop out of Code S and would accept the spot then yes Naniwa is the best choice... They have to seed 2 people. That's their format. They don't have a choice. Like it or not, someone has to get the spot, and there aren't that many players to pick from. Puma might be a good choice. He did well at IEM:WC. But honestly, Korean ot non-Korean there aren't a lot of good picks apart from Polt who are available for next season. Puma and Violet have done more between the start of Season 1 and now than Naniwa. I'd argue Huk has too. My vote would actually goto Huk, but I can understand their reluctance to re-seed him back to code s after getting shunted strait to code B I expect him to be seeded back into S next season if he does well at MLG Puma and Violet would both be good picks, but neither would draw as much foreigner interest as Naniwa.
Hes already seeded into the up/downs in a pretty good group so it wouldnt be a shock for him to make it back into code S.
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Lets hope nani gets far this time!
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For people asking about Stephano, he'll have Code S the moment he wants it. But he's supposedly shown no interest in going to Korea, and given how good he is where he's at I think its the right call for now.
Other than Stephano, is there any other foreigner more deserving than Naniwa? Huk is already in up and downs so prolly cant be seeded for that reason. Nobody else springs to mind, I guess Violet but Naniwa has comprable results and will draw more attention just for being who he is.
Does Puma want Code S? Cuz if he does I'd think they'd seed him, maybe the way he left TSL still leaves a bitter taste for some people.
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really interested to see how far Naniwa can go. I'm gonna predict Ro8 at least.
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On March 12 2012 18:31 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 18:24 Zzoram wrote:On March 12 2012 18:15 Asha` wrote:On March 12 2012 18:10 Maenander wrote:On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote:
rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/ Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest. I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12. Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past. Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk. As loathe as I am to admit it, Huk is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners. I just don't like that you can get absolutely destroyed over and over again in the GSL and then on the back of a good weekend where you win two 2-1 series at another event you somehow get promoted to Code S.
You might be surprised then if Naniwa shows better play than HuK in Code S. Plus HuK has his up and down matches to worry about. It'll be interesting if he joins Naniwa in Code S.
I honestly think Naniwa has much more potential than HuK, but is really stubborn with his builds.
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On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote:
rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
wouldnt worry about it too much. Another quick 0-2 into code A into a 0-2 into Code irrelevant.
But boy that one day when he plays, GOM TV is going to have a lot of bandwith usage.
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On March 13 2012 10:09 Sub40APM wrote:wouldnt worry about it too much. Another quick 0-2 into code A into a 0-2 into Code irrelevant. But boy that one day when he plays, GOM TV is going to have a lot of bandwith usage.
think of how many more season tickets they might sell just for including him. That's basically the point. They don't really care how he does. They would fucking love for him to keep winning because that would mean he would be around for more seasons and generate more revenue but they arent inviting him with the idea that he's going to be a Code S champion. A lot of people are doubting him, as have I at times, but sc2 is volatile enough that Naniwa might just surprise us all and end up winning some series or at least making them close. I wish him the best of luck. This is a great opportunity for him
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For every round Naniwa advances i'll buy a season ticket for a naniwa fan. and you guys can hold me to it! i only do this because he won't get out of groups. i doubt he'll win a game.
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On March 13 2012 10:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 10:09 Sub40APM wrote:On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote:
rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/ wouldnt worry about it too much. Another quick 0-2 into code A into a 0-2 into Code irrelevant. But boy that one day when he plays, GOM TV is going to have a lot of bandwith usage. think of how many more season tickets they might sell just for including him. That's basically the point. They don't really care how he does. They would fucking love for him to keep winning because that would mean he would be around for more seasons and generate more revenue but they arent inviting him with the idea that he's going to be a Code S champion. A lot of people are doubting him, as have I at times, but sc2 is volatile enough that Naniwa might just surprise us all and end up winning some series or at least making them close. I wish him the best of luck. This is a great opportunity for him
Yes, I understand that having a controversial white face in GSL is a huge marketing move and is pretty smart on their part.
It will be even smarter to 'accidentally' seed Naniwa into Nestea's group too.
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NANIWA!!! In my dreams, It's Nani vs Huk in the finals hahaha.
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