GSL Season 1 has ended with a great final and DongRaeGu as the well deserving champion. We would like to thank everyone who tuned in to watch or came to the live event in Seoul.
DongRaeGu defeated the odds and become the champion of Season 1, but the competition does not rest and we're already ready to kick off with Season 2.
Here is the current list of Code S competitors for Season 2:
Terran [10]: GuMiho, aLive, MMA, Mvp, Ryung, TaeJa, jjakji, MarineKing, NaDa, Polt (seeded) Protoss [8]: Genius, Puzzle, Parting, MC, Seed, Oz, Hero, NaNiWa (seeded) Zerg [4]: DongRaeGu, Curious, Zenio, NesTea +10 players who will advance from this week's Up&Down matches
Today the GSL Season 2 Up&Down matches will start and the remaining 10 Code S players will be determined. Here's the detailed schedule:
I actually think GOM got the seeds perfect, and I'm not even a Naniwa fan. Polt was an obvious pick since he just dominates and Naniwa despite never winning a GSL game showed solid results in a few foreigner tournaments plus this is his chance to redeem himself since he already had Code S taken away once.
Polt seed is awesome. I don't think nani has a chance in code S. He is a pretty good player but his mindset will make him lose again and again and again in Code S and A.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most deserving foreigner for Code S seed other than Stephano. Glad that there is no bad blood between GOM and Naniwa. Seems like time to leave that drama behind.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
Pretty much agreed with this.
when they have no1 else who is better to substitute him for... what else do you want them to do? (aside from choosing your own personal favorite player)
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
As loathe as I am to admit it, Huk is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners.
I just don't like that you can get absolutely destroyed over and over again in the GSL and then on the back of a good weekend where you win two 2-1 series at another event you somehow get promoted to Code S.
On March 12 2012 18:11 Fragile51 wrote: Yay poltu and nani in code s :D gonna be cool to see how they do, better then Idra and such did last season i hope..
They are both way better players than Idra so they aren't going to bomb all the way out to Code B without a single win like Idra. At least I don't think so. Naniwa is so much better now than he was during his last Code A attempt.
On March 12 2012 18:20 Laryleprakon wrote: I wonder if violet was close to being considered, would be nice to have more zergs. Will be fun to see polts tvp :D
I doubt it personally since he is korean even if he doesn't live there, and there are better korean zergs not in Code S currently. I'm glad Naniwa got a spot, only person I'd prefer is Stephano but he doesn't want the spot so that's a no go
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
As loathe as I am to admit it, Huk is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners.
I just don't like that you can get absolutely destroyed over and over again in the GSL and then on the back of a good weekend where you win two 2-1 series at another event you somehow get promoted to Code S.
Huk hasn't been that consistent lately and lost to Terious in Code A while Naniwa showed us he's still got it in his series against Nestea and Leenock.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
He defeated Nestea in 3/4 series, he lost to him at Blizzcon. But I agree, his MLG Winter-Arena run was quite impressive again, hopefully he can reedem himself now and push his winrate higher than 7%.
On March 12 2012 18:21 Fionn wrote: The title is too broad. We need a 'Naniwa (and Polt) got Code S' thread so the mob of foreigners can buy their GSL tickets.
i chuckled at the amount of truth put into 1 post and presented in a serious manner.
Great move by gom. Polt and Nani in Code S is big and good news for sure. Only thing now really seems that there is a lack of Zergs compared to the other races. Step it up a notch Swarmboys!
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
As loathe as I am to admit it, Huk is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners.
I just don't like that you can get absolutely destroyed over and over again in the GSL and then on the back of a good weekend where you win two 2-1 series at another event you somehow get promoted to Code S.
Huk hasn't been that consistent lately and lost to Terious in Code A while Naniwa showed us he's still got it in his series against Nestea and Leenock.
Right, so it's bad for one player to drop out of Code A but it's fine for another to have never even won a map in it...
Huk did also beat Oz 2-0, who's arguably the best player of that trio right now (it was PvP though =p)
Not that I'm advocating a spot for Huk either or anything, I was only argueing that he's much more proven against Korean players in competition than Naniwa.
My main gripe is still the whole doing really badly but ending up seeded into an even higher part of the tournament thing.
Not really excited at the Naniwa invite. I really wish GOM would just stop bringing foreigners in, they're basically just a freewin for code s koreans and it's always really uninteresting. :c
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
As loathe as I am to admit it, Huk is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners.
I just don't like that you can get absolutely destroyed over and over again in the GSL and then on the back of a good weekend where you win two 2-1 series at another event you somehow get promoted to Code S.
Huk hasn't been that consistent lately and lost to Terious in Code A while Naniwa showed us he's still got it in his series against Nestea and Leenock.
Right, so it's bad for one player to drop out of Code A but it's fine for another to have never even won a map in it...
Huk did also beat Oz 2-0, who's arguably the best player of that trio right now (it was PvP though =p)
Not that I'm advocating a spot for Huk either or anything, I was only argueing that he's much more proven against Korean players in competition than Naniwa.
My main gripe is still the whole doing really badly but ending up seeded into an even higher part of the tournament thing.
That was many months ago though, Naniwa has clearly improved since then. He has Nestea's number and Nestea has been in every Code S ever, the most consistent Zerg. Naniwa also beat MVP just after his peak period of being the best Terran in the world.
What I find odd is how many foreigners are stagnating but Naniwa keeps improving. He must've figured out the best training method to correct his weaknesses, while other players are just mindlessly training but not correcting their faults.
HeH, i wonder if he'll get pvp first round and have a prayer of winning if his opponent chooses a coin-flippy build, and therefore nani-fans can explode about how he's the best foreigner in the world, or if he'll just get rolled like every other time he's been in gsl.
On March 12 2012 18:20 Laryleprakon wrote: I wonder if violet was close to being considered, would be nice to have more zergs. Will be fun to see polts tvp :D
Well, violet seems to be pretty happy in the USA, not sure if he even wants to return to Korea.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
As loathe as I am to admit it, Huk is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners.
I just don't like that you can get absolutely destroyed over and over again in the GSL and then on the back of a good weekend where you win two 2-1 series at another event you somehow get promoted to Code S.
Huk hasn't been that consistent lately and lost to Terious in Code A while Naniwa showed us he's still got it in his series against Nestea and Leenock.
Right, so it's bad for one player to drop out of Code A but it's fine for another to have never even won a map in it...
Huk did also beat Oz 2-0, who's arguably the best player of that trio right now (it was PvP though =p)
Not that I'm advocating a spot for Huk either or anything, I was only argueing that he's much more proven against Korean players in competition than Naniwa.
My main gripe is still the whole doing really badly but ending up seeded into an even higher part of the tournament thing.
That was many months ago though, Naniwa has clearly improved since then. He has Nestea's number and Nestea has been in every Code S ever, the most consistent Zerg. Naniwa also beat MVP just after his peak period of being the best Terran in the world.
What I find odd is how many foreigners are stagnating but Naniwa keeps improving. He must've figured out the best training method to correct his weaknesses, while other players are just mindlessly training but not correcting their faults.
I don't know who's stagnating, it's more like foreigner scene is that far behind good foreigners can't stand in the GSL.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
As loathe as I am to admit it, Huk is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners.
I just don't like that you can get absolutely destroyed over and over again in the GSL and then on the back of a good weekend where you win two 2-1 series at another event you somehow get promoted to Code S.
Huk hasn't been that consistent lately and lost to Terious in Code A while Naniwa showed us he's still got it in his series against Nestea and Leenock.
Right, so it's bad for one player to drop out of Code A but it's fine for another to have never even won a map in it...
Huk did also beat Oz 2-0, who's arguably the best player of that trio right now (it was PvP though =p)
Not that I'm advocating a spot for Huk either or anything, I was only argueing that he's much more proven against Korean players in competition than Naniwa.
My main gripe is still the whole doing really badly but ending up seeded into an even higher part of the tournament thing.
That was many months ago though, Naniwa has clearly improved since then. He has Nestea's number and Nestea has been in every Code S ever, the most consistent Zerg. Naniwa also beat MVP just after his peak period of being the best Terran in the world.
What I find odd is how many foreigners are stagnating but Naniwa keeps improving. He must've figured out the best training method to correct his weaknesses, while other players are just mindlessly training but not correcting their faults.
His interview at MLG WA also showed kind of a different naniwa, not the one that was constantly angry with himself for not winning everything ever, but someone who sort of...calmed down. I think joining QxG and the ST house has done him a lot of good.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
As loathe as I am to admit it, Huk is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners.
I just don't like that you can get absolutely destroyed over and over again in the GSL and then on the back of a good weekend where you win two 2-1 series at another event you somehow get promoted to Code S.
Huk hasn't been that consistent lately and lost to Terious in Code A while Naniwa showed us he's still got it in his series against Nestea and Leenock.
Right, so it's bad for one player to drop out of Code A but it's fine for another to have never even won a map in it...
Huk did also beat Oz 2-0, who's arguably the best player of that trio right now (it was PvP though =p)
Not that I'm advocating a spot for Huk either or anything, I was only argueing that he's much more proven against Korean players in competition than Naniwa.
My main gripe is still the whole doing really badly but ending up seeded into an even higher part of the tournament thing.
It was half a year ago that Naniwa had problems against Lucky in Code A. Much has changed since then, and giving him another chance doesn't seem that unreasonable, with being a top 3 foreigner and all.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
As loathe as I am to admit it, Huk is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners.
I just don't like that you can get absolutely destroyed over and over again in the GSL and then on the back of a good weekend where you win two 2-1 series at another event you somehow get promoted to Code S.
Huk hasn't been that consistent lately and lost to Terious in Code A while Naniwa showed us he's still got it in his series against Nestea and Leenock.
Right, so it's bad for one player to drop out of Code A but it's fine for another to have never even won a map in it...
Huk did also beat Oz 2-0, who's arguably the best player of that trio right now (it was PvP though =p)
Not that I'm advocating a spot for Huk either or anything, I was only argueing that he's much more proven against Korean players in competition than Naniwa.
My main gripe is still the whole doing really badly but ending up seeded into an even higher part of the tournament thing.
That was many months ago though, Naniwa has clearly improved since then. He has Nestea's number and Nestea has been in every Code S ever, the most consistent Zerg. Naniwa also beat MVP just after his peak period of being the best Terran in the world.
What I find odd is how many foreigners are stagnating but Naniwa keeps improving. He must've figured out the best training method to correct his weaknesses, while other players are just mindlessly training but not correcting their faults.
I don't know who's stagnating, it's more like foreigner scene is that far behind good foreigners can't stand in the GSL.
Most foreigners play like robots with questionable unit control, Naniwa actually plays a very reactive style with excellent micro. You have to play super reactive against tricky Koreans.
So the only 2 foreigners in GSL now are both seeded and if Huk doesn't make it out of his group... I feel so bad for Gom. They want to globalize their market but every foreigner gets 2-0ed the first round and no foreigner even made it through the qualifiers.
Bit unfair on groups B and E, they get 2 people qualifying for Code S but only 5 people in each group, Group A C D all have 6 players and the same top 2 go through xD Wish GOM just found another player for the other groups makes it fair that way. Oh well ^_^
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
MMA got seeded with a 7-6 record in Code A. It's not a very good indicator on whether or not you deserve to be in Code S. Naniwa is 0-6 in Code A but the first 2 losses came right after he got off a plane and had just gotten to Korea. And the other 4 losses came to Lucky who most consider to have a top 2 ZvP in Korea.
On March 12 2012 18:55 Pandemona wrote: Bit unfair on groups B and E, they get 2 people qualifying for Code S but only 5 people in each group, Group A C D all have 6 players and the same top 2 go through xD Wish GOM just found another player for the other groups makes it fair that way. Oh well ^_^
GL GL Inca and Huk ♥
If Puma made it back to Korea in time they should've given Puma the seed DeMuslim gave up because he was sick.
On March 12 2012 18:51 Mycl wrote: Going to give Gom the benefit of the doubt and say that the Naniwa choice was made before the completion of IEM WC.
It definitely was, he was tweeting about it before the end of IEM.
Cant complain about the choice then but I would like to see Gom wait out for the major tournaments to wrap up before making the choice. I will be looking forward to Puma in Code S next season
On March 12 2012 18:57 HuK wrote: did gom release their reasoning ?
Not officially. All we can speculate is that he beat Leenock and Nestea at MLG Winter Arena, plus GOM wanted him back after his "time-out". He beat two top Koreans vs you beating one top Korean at MLG WA, so that's probably another reason they ranked him above you.
On March 12 2012 18:57 HuK wrote: did gom release their reasoning ?
Not officially. All we can speculate is that he beat Leenock and Nestea at MLG Winter Arena, plus GOM wanted him back after his "time-out". He beat two top Koreans vs you beating one top Korean at MLG WA, so that's probably another reason they ranked him above you.
On March 12 2012 18:57 HuK wrote: did gom release their reasoning ?
Not officially. All we can speculate is that he beat Leenock and Nestea at MLG Winter Arena, plus GOM wanted him back after his "time-out". He beat two top Koreans vs you beating one top Korean at MLG WA, so that's probably another reason they ranked him above you.
it's also clearly to appease the bitter and whining naniwa fans who still hate GOM for revoking it
On March 12 2012 18:57 HuK wrote: did gom release their reasoning ?
Not officially. All we can speculate is that he beat Leenock and Nestea at MLG Winter Arena, plus GOM wanted him back after his "time-out". He beat two top Koreans vs you beating one top Korean at MLG WA, so that's probably another reason they ranked him above you.
it's also clearly to appease the bitter and whining naniwa fans who still hate GOM for revoking it
I guess when you combine Naniwa's run at MLG WA with his IEM Kiev placement, that's more "points" than Huk's MLG WA placement alone. Did Huk do IEM Kiev?
On March 12 2012 19:05 Zzoram wrote: I guess when you combine Naniwa's run at MLG WA with his IEM Kiev placement, that's more "points" than Huk's MLG WA placement alone. Did Huk do IEM Kiev?
On March 12 2012 19:05 Zzoram wrote: I guess when you combine Naniwa's run at MLG WA with his IEM Kiev placement, that's more "points" than Huk's MLG WA placement alone. Did Huk do IEM Kiev?
Huk hasn't been to an IEM this year I don't think.
Naniwa's run involved topping a group with Strelok, WhiteRa, and Titan, then getting smashed 3-1 by Zenio in the knock out stages. I can't really think they factored it into their decision.
On March 12 2012 19:05 Zzoram wrote: I guess when you combine Naniwa's run at MLG WA with his IEM Kiev placement, that's more "points" than Huk's MLG WA placement alone. Did Huk do IEM Kiev?
Huk hasn't been to an IEM this year I don't think.
Naniwa's run involved topping a group with Strelok, WhiteRa, and Titan, then getting smashed 3-1 by Zenio in the knock out stages. I can't really think they factored it into their decision.
Hey it sounds a lot of better if you only say IEM Kiev top 8!
Looking at the number of Zergs already into GSL Season 2, it's a pretty sad number despite DRG winning Season 1. Hope to see more Zerg representation after the Up & Down matches are over.
huk already dropped out of code s and a within the first round last season, no reason why they would send him back into code s immediately when there are other comparable candidates
The number of Zergs this season is odd indeed, hopefully a lot more come up from the Up&Down matches, but it looks like the constant buffs to P has finally paid off.
I'm going to love to see what HotS does to the GSL balance.
EDIT: Oh, and on the HuK vs Nani thing, HuK is definitely more consistent overall, however NaNiWa's performance at the Global Invitational and MLG Providence really made people forget about HuK's many wins throughout 2011. I'd probably vote HuK over Nani, but perhaps their reasoning was also due to HuK dropping out of code A in the season before; it doesn't exactly look fair to other players to see someone drop from Code S, to Code A, to Code B, and then get a ticket to Code S again.
On March 12 2012 18:57 HuK wrote: did gom release their reasoning ?
Not officially. All we can speculate is that he beat Leenock and Nestea at MLG Winter Arena, plus GOM wanted him back after his "time-out". He beat two top Koreans vs you beating one top Korean at MLG WA, so that's probably another reason they ranked him above you.
it's also clearly to appease the bitter and whining naniwa fans who still hate GOM for revoking it
hah, you sound more like the bitter whiny one atm gogo nani best foreigner!
On March 12 2012 19:34 Noocta wrote: That Terran line up in code S is so stacked. These 10 are all so good at Terran.
Also, i'm a but sad at the lack of any oGs player in Code S. TT
The league that's supposed to be made up of the best players of starcraft 2 is....stacked? o.O
Weeeeeelll
Yeah i know, it's a bit obvious. But the Code S line up has rarely be this talented. By that i mean there's no real obvious lesser player in that list.
On March 12 2012 19:34 Noocta wrote: That Terran line up in code S is so stacked. These 10 are all so good at Terran.
Also, i'm a but sad at the lack of any oGs player in Code S. TT
The league that's supposed to be made up of the best players of starcraft 2 is....stacked? o.O
Weeeeeelll
Yeah i know, it's a bit obvious. But the Code S line up has rarely be this talented. By that i mean there's no real obvious lesser player in that list.
=P
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yeah, on another note. other than group E there aren't a lot of stand-out names from the ten coming from up and downs.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
As loathe as I am to admit it, Huk is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners.
I just don't like that you can get absolutely destroyed over and over again in the GSL and then on the back of a good weekend where you win two 2-1 series at another event you somehow get promoted to Code S.
Huk hasn't been that consistent lately and lost to Terious in Code A while Naniwa showed us he's still got it in his series against Nestea and Leenock.
Right, so it's bad for one player to drop out of Code A but it's fine for another to have never even won a map in it...
Huk did also beat Oz 2-0, who's arguably the best player of that trio right now (it was PvP though =p)
Not that I'm advocating a spot for Huk either or anything, I was only argueing that he's much more proven against Korean players in competition than Naniwa.
My main gripe is still the whole doing really badly but ending up seeded into an even higher part of the tournament thing.
It was half a year ago that Naniwa had problems against Lucky in Code A. Much has changed since then, and giving him another chance doesn't seem that unreasonable, with being a top 3 foreigner and all.
It's unreasonable because he won 2 games vs Korean Zergs finished 8th in a tournament and that's enough to make Code S?
It's absolutely absurd.
Violet finished higher than Naniwa at Arena, he beat more good players, he won IEM Sao Paolo and did well at IEM World Championships and Homestory but barely anyone is suggesting he deserves Code S.
You'll get what you want anyway, Naniwa will go 0-4 and head straight back to Code A and then Code B as planned.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
Yeahhh Stephano is good and all but he is over rated at the moment. His strats are very basic and against Koreans I highly doubt he would be able to pull, what he does, off.
As for HuK, I wish he would switch to Terran because I know for a fact that his style of play would be absolutely amazing to watch if he played Terran. I think he'd win more games/tourneys if he was Terran as well.
Back to your point, yeah Naniwa is beast, no matter how socially awkward he is. It is kind of hard to watch him in his interviews.
This "oh you're not from korea you get in for free" stuff is pathetic. I'd like people to prove they're able to compete in Code A and the qualifiers before they get to play in Code S.
On March 12 2012 20:38 blackone wrote: This "oh you're not from korea you get in for free" stuff is pathetic. I'd like people to prove they're able to compete in Code A and the qualifiers before they get to play in Code S.
It's clearly a business decision to seed foreigner(s) into code A/S, GSL gets a lot more viewers when there are foreigners fighting!
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
As loathe as I am to admit it, Huk is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners.
I just don't like that you can get absolutely destroyed over and over again in the GSL and then on the back of a good weekend where you win two 2-1 series at another event you somehow get promoted to Code S.
Huk hasn't been that consistent lately and lost to Terious in Code A while Naniwa showed us he's still got it in his series against Nestea and Leenock.
Right, so it's bad for one player to drop out of Code A but it's fine for another to have never even won a map in it...
Huk did also beat Oz 2-0, who's arguably the best player of that trio right now (it was PvP though =p)
Not that I'm advocating a spot for Huk either or anything, I was only argueing that he's much more proven against Korean players in competition than Naniwa.
My main gripe is still the whole doing really badly but ending up seeded into an even higher part of the tournament thing.
It was half a year ago that Naniwa had problems against Lucky in Code A. Much has changed since then, and giving him another chance doesn't seem that unreasonable, with being a top 3 foreigner and all.
It's unreasonable because he won 2 games vs Korean Zergs finished 8th in a tournament and that's enough to make Code S?
It's absolutely absurd.
Violet finished higher than Naniwa at Arena, he beat more good players, he won IEM Sao Paolo and did well at IEM World Championships and Homestory but barely anyone is suggesting he deserves Code S.
You'll get what you want anyway, Naniwa will go 0-4 and head straight back to Code A and then Code B as planned.
You seem very incapable of understanding that the reasons Nani got seeded for Season 1, still exists. If he was eligible for a seed before, he surely still is. What is so hard to understand?
On March 12 2012 20:38 blackone wrote: This "oh you're not from korea you get in for free" stuff is pathetic. I'd like people to prove they're able to compete in Code A and the qualifiers before they get to play in Code S.
It's clearly a business decision to seed foreigner(s) into code A/S, GSL gets a lot more viewers when there are foreigners fighting!
Maybe. It still waters down the competitive aspect. It's like seeding China into the World Cup every time because it increases viewership.
On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote: 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner.
And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL.
So freaking what he has that old record? He could have 0-100 win ration if he can constantly beat top koreans now.
When was the last time there was the best acknowledged foreigner in the GSL not just some foreigners like idra,sen,morrow,huk to fill the spots? If Stephano was up there with Naniwa we would have the best representation ever of the foreign scene. Stop with the hating and root for the best there is at this moment.
People hang on some loses and the freaking probe rush like he murdered their families.
On March 12 2012 20:38 blackone wrote: This "oh you're not from korea you get in for free" stuff is pathetic. I'd like people to prove they're able to compete in Code A and the qualifiers before they get to play in Code S.
It's clearly a business decision to seed foreigner(s) into code A/S, GSL gets a lot more viewers when there are foreigners fighting!
Maybe. It still waters down the competitive aspect. It's like seeding China into the World Cup every time because it increases viewership.
I don't understand why people are discussing merit of these invites. GOM have proven over and over again that they don't use achievments as the sole criteria for these invites. Fine if you think it should work some other way (or not have invites at all) but people bringing up records of Naniwa and such are strawmanning the entire issue.
On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote: 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner.
And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL.
So freaking what he has that old record? He could have 0-100 win ration if he can constantly beat top koreans now.
If he was able to beat Koreans he could just qualify through Code A like everyone else.
Like every other foreigner that did that right? He has a door opened for him. In your career you should never turn down open doors. Look at Jinro and his ego.
On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote: 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner.
And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL.
So freaking what he has that old record? He could have 0-100 win ration if he can constantly beat top koreans now.
If he was able to beat Koreans he could just qualify through Code A like everyone else.
You mean like Coca, a Code S zerg who is top 10 on the korean ladder? Oh wait, he didn't make it through the qualifiers.
No, I mean like those who made it through Code A. That's why I wrote "qualify through Code A ", because I meant qualifying through Code A. It's actually not that hard to understand.
On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote: 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner.
And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL.
When was the last time there was the best acknowledged foreigner in the GSL not just some foreigners like idra,sen,morrow,huk to fill the spots?
Like it or not, at least HuK had proven he was Code S worthy of multiple season after a Code A invite and definitely shouldn't be lumped in with IdrA/Morrow who lost all games after being seeded in Code S/Up and Down. Sen won some games too, and has consistently proven himself to be a top class foreigner. I don't think you can definitively say that Nani or Stephano are far enough ahead of HuK or Sen based off of records.
On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote: 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner.
And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL.
So freaking what he has that old record? He could have 0-100 win ration if he can constantly beat top koreans now.
If he was able to beat Koreans he could just qualify through Code A like everyone else.
Like every other foreigner that did that right? He has a door opened for him. In your career you should never turn down open doors.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing Naniwa for accepting an invite, that's absolutely the right thing to do. I'm criticizing GOM for handing out invites to people based on nationality. (And no, not like every other foreigner. Like the ones who qualified through Code A. Am I speaking chinese or something?)
On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote: 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner.
And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL.
So freaking what he has that old record? He could have 0-100 win ration if he can constantly beat top koreans now.
If he was able to beat Koreans he could just qualify through Code A like everyone else.
Like every other foreigner that did that right? He has a door opened for him. In your career you should never turn down open doors. Look at Jinro and his ego.
Didn't DRG get a seed and not qualify through code A? Look how that turned out :p
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
As loathe as I am to admit it, Huk is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners.
I just don't like that you can get absolutely destroyed over and over again in the GSL and then on the back of a good weekend where you win two 2-1 series at another event you somehow get promoted to Code S.
Huk hasn't been that consistent lately and lost to Terious in Code A while Naniwa showed us he's still got it in his series against Nestea and Leenock.
Right, so it's bad for one player to drop out of Code A but it's fine for another to have never even won a map in it...
Huk did also beat Oz 2-0, who's arguably the best player of that trio right now (it was PvP though =p)
Not that I'm advocating a spot for Huk either or anything, I was only argueing that he's much more proven against Korean players in competition than Naniwa.
My main gripe is still the whole doing really badly but ending up seeded into an even higher part of the tournament thing.
It was half a year ago that Naniwa had problems against Lucky in Code A. Much has changed since then, and giving him another chance doesn't seem that unreasonable, with being a top 3 foreigner and all.
It's unreasonable because he won 2 games vs Korean Zergs finished 8th in a tournament and that's enough to make Code S?
It's absolutely absurd.
Violet finished higher than Naniwa at Arena, he beat more good players, he won IEM Sao Paolo and did well at IEM World Championships and Homestory but barely anyone is suggesting he deserves Code S.
You'll get what you want anyway, Naniwa will go 0-4 and head straight back to Code A and then Code B as planned.
Naniwa says himself he don't think he deserves it. The reasoning from GOM is pretty obvious though, they want a piece of the foreign market. There probably is a few koreans out there who deserves it more but thats not really the point. They want to bring in money from the foreigner fanbase and the best way to do that is to bring in big foreign names.
About the Nani vs HuK, I wont get in to who's the most accomplished player but HuK had the seed last season and did not get good results. Droppong from code S to code A and code B and then get a ticket right back to code S would be a bit wierd. He will probably be up for consideration for season 3 though.
Btw, I'm reallly glad GOM let go of the Blizzard Cup insident and gave Nani a seed. Although I'm sure they would have picked another foreigner if they actually had a plausible option.
Can't wait to see what MarineKing can dish out this season, along with NaniWa and of course who could forget DongRaeGu? Going to be an exciting season :3
I really don't get it - does PuMa just not want to play in Korea a la Stephano? I cant see this being the case. I mean, not to hate, but hes much more qualified than nani based on results.
Naniwa will lose again every match...this is getting ridiculous.Huk would've been a much better canditate, i feel like he's more of a "korean" player than Naniwa, so is Stephano btw...
1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
No, it wasnt. With this logic, every showmatch is meanlingless and is supposed to be a "probe rush game".
They are when they have no prize money.
So, he got price money for it.
This would make sense, except for the fact that it wasn't a show match.
Of course it was a showmatch.
There was no extra money for winning, so no extra benefit for taking the game seriously.
He got money for playing all group matches properly, and not throwing games.
Please let's not start this discussion again, it was already done to death back when it happened.
And some dont understand, throwing this game was a stupid decision.
He got money for competing. By the time he had to play Nestea there was no competition left. It was wasted time.
Competing included to play ALL group matches properly. And playing a live streamed showmatch against one of the best zerg players is surely not wasted time, since he went to ladder after the cup anyway.
On March 12 2012 20:55 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Naniwa will lose again every match...this is getting ridiculous.Huk would've been a much better canditate, i feel like he's more of a "korean" player than Naniwa, so is Stephano btw...
The huk i saw at this mlg didn't seem a player with a plan. Let's just make 9 gates and cross our fingers.
On March 12 2012 20:55 McPricE wrote: I really don't get it - does PuMa just not want to play in Korea a la Stephano? I cant see this being the case. I mean, not to hate, but hes much more qualified than nani based on results.
PuMa didn't even play in the preliminaries, thought him and Polt was going to get the Code S spots.
On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote: 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner.
And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL.
When was the last time there was the best acknowledged foreigner in the GSL not just some foreigners like idra,sen,morrow,huk to fill the spots?
Like it or not, at least HuK had proven he was Code S worthy of multiple season after a Code A invite and definitely shouldn't be lumped in with IdrA/Morrow who lost all games after being seeded in Code S/Up and Down. Sen won some games too, and has consistently proven himself to be a top class foreigner. I don't think you can definitively say that Nani or Stephano are far enough ahead of HuK or Sen based off of records.
Like it or not Idra and Sen earned their way into code S back before there was any sort of seeding for code A for anyone. Unlike other foreigners who have been seeded in.
On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote: 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner.
And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL.
So freaking what he has that old record? He could have 0-100 win ration if he can constantly beat top koreans now.
If he was able to beat Koreans he could just qualify through Code A like everyone else.
You mean like Coca, a Code S zerg who is top 10 on the korean ladder? Oh wait, he didn't make it through the qualifiers.
Coca has not been Code S nor played in any tourney for a long time, it's not even a good argument. Being in Code S is important to actually being Code S level imo.
On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote: 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner.
And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL.
When was the last time there was the best acknowledged foreigner in the GSL not just some foreigners like idra,sen,morrow,huk to fill the spots?
Like it or not, at least HuK had proven he was Code S worthy of multiple season after a Code A invite and definitely shouldn't be lumped in with IdrA/Morrow who lost all games after being seeded in Code S/Up and Down. Sen won some games too, and has consistently proven himself to be a top class foreigner. I don't think you can definitively say that Nani or Stephano are far enough ahead of HuK or Sen based off of records.
But records dont make good games. Today, I'm pretty sure that Nani is in a better shape than Huk, even if Huk has accomplished more than Nani in data.
On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote: 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner.
And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL.
So freaking what he has that old record? He could have 0-100 win ration if he can constantly beat top koreans now.
If he was able to beat Koreans he could just qualify through Code A like everyone else.
You mean like Coca, a Code S zerg who is top 10 on the korean ladder? Oh wait, he didn't make it through the qualifiers.
Coca has not been Code S nor played in any tourney for a long time, it's not even a good argument. Being in Code S is important to actually being Code S level imo.
Code S level means you get in Code S. Naniwa got in code S because of some merits, not just random draw. So, by the rules, he is code S level.
Many players get in code S. No all of them have to be champions of the league.
I thought certain probe events in the past prevents any GSL seeds to be bestowed upon the Naniwa. But nevertheless, congrats and hope he goes far in S.
On March 12 2012 20:55 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Naniwa will lose again every match...this is getting ridiculous.Huk would've been a much better canditate, i feel like he's more of a "korean" player than Naniwa, so is Stephano btw...
Naniwa has been in korea for a while, he lives in the Startale house and trains 8+ hours a day. How in the hell is Stephano more similiar to korean players than Naniwa?
On March 12 2012 21:03 TAMinator wrote: Naniwa couldnt even make it passed Code A. Pretty sure he has no chance.
Has he ever tried code A?
Yes he has. Naniwas record in code A is I believe 1-10?
Posted on it earlier in this thread:
On March 12 2012 18:55 Kiyo. wrote: MMA got seeded with a 7-6 record in Code A. It's not a very good indicator on whether or not you deserve to be in Code S. Naniwa is 0-6 in Code A but the first 2 losses came right after he got off a plane and had just gotten to Korea. And the other 4 losses came to Lucky who most consider to have a top 2 ZvP in Korea.
On March 12 2012 20:55 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Naniwa will lose again every match...this is getting ridiculous.Huk would've been a much better canditate, i feel like he's more of a "korean" player than Naniwa, so is Stephano btw...
Naniwa has been in korea for a while, he lives in the Startale house and trains 8+ hours a day. How in the hell is Stephano more similiar to korean players than Naniwa?
stephano has had a lot of great results... in lower skilled tournaments, he dodges the stacked tournaments and just goes after the money so it's understandable people get over hyped by the large amount of his sub par results.
On March 12 2012 20:55 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Naniwa will lose again every match...this is getting ridiculous.Huk would've been a much better canditate, i feel like he's more of a "korean" player than Naniwa, so is Stephano btw...
Naniwa has been in korea for a while, he lives in the Startale house and trains 8+ hours a day. How in the hell is Stephano more similiar to korean players than Naniwa?
stephano has had a lot of great results... in lower skilled tournaments, he dodges the stacked tournaments and just goes after the money so it's understandable people get over hyped by the large amount of his sub par results.
Not fair to call his results sub par. Pretty offensive tbh (and I don't even like stephano)
Also when he did go to Korea he beat Hero and DRG and lost to MC and MVP. Not a very weak lineup..
On March 12 2012 20:55 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Naniwa will lose again every match...this is getting ridiculous.Huk would've been a much better canditate, i feel like he's more of a "korean" player than Naniwa, so is Stephano btw...
Naniwa has been in korea for a while, he lives in the Startale house and trains 8+ hours a day. How in the hell is Stephano more similiar to korean players than Naniwa?
stephano has had a lot of great results... in lower skilled tournaments, he dodges the stacked tournaments and just goes after the money so it's understandable people get over hyped by the large amount of his sub par results.
Not fair to call his results sub par. Pretty offensive tbh (and I don't even like stephano)
Also when he did go to Korea he beat Hero and DRG and lost to MC and MVP. Not a very weak lineup..
Just sayin, tournaments with the likes of Mvp, MMA, MC, Nestea, MKP etc, stephano is no where to be found. I think the last time he played in a tournament with all the big names was homestory cup 4? and he didn't even make top 8. Just looking at the facts.
On March 12 2012 20:55 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Naniwa will lose again every match...this is getting ridiculous.Huk would've been a much better canditate, i feel like he's more of a "korean" player than Naniwa, so is Stephano btw...
Naniwa has been in korea for a while, he lives in the Startale house and trains 8+ hours a day. How in the hell is Stephano more similiar to korean players than Naniwa?
stephano has had a lot of great results... in lower skilled tournaments, he dodges the stacked tournaments and just goes after the money so it's understandable people get over hyped by the large amount of his sub par results.
sub par results?!? LOL There's basically no Korean, that he's played and haven't beaten. Went to Korea, owned KR ladder as well (not as hard as EU but still, it was a good run). Went 2-2 in the GSL Blizzard cup with the best of the best Koreans, beating current GSL champion DRG. Top 10 money earned in the world. Yup sub par results all around. Stephano is just smart, has a goal (get as much money as possible) and chooses only tournaments, which pay well. He's is THE best foreigner by far. Only a moron can think otherwise.
On March 12 2012 20:55 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Naniwa will lose again every match...this is getting ridiculous.Huk would've been a much better canditate, i feel like he's more of a "korean" player than Naniwa, so is Stephano btw...
Naniwa has been in korea for a while, he lives in the Startale house and trains 8+ hours a day. How in the hell is Stephano more similiar to korean players than Naniwa?
stephano has had a lot of great results... in lower skilled tournaments, he dodges the stacked tournaments and just goes after the money so it's understandable people get over hyped by the large amount of his sub par results.
sub par results?!? LOL There's basically no Korean, that he's played and haven't beaten. Went to Korea, owned KR ladder as well (not as hard as EU but still, it was a good run). Went 2-2 in the GSL Blizzard cup with the best of the best Koreans, beating current GSL champion DRG. Top 10 money earned in the world. Yup sub par results all around. Stephano is just smart, has a goal (get as much money as possible) and chooses only tournaments, which pay well. He's is THE best foreigner by far. Only a moron can think otherwise.
You are a moron just because you call someone a moron for not thinking like you.
And hero played like a scrub in the blizzard cup. And it's a bo1. And no. he is not the best by far. Naniwa attend the best tournaments while stephano goes for the least stacked ones to go to the bank.
On March 12 2012 21:29 niilzon wrote: lack of zerg players ? Let's seed 2 non-zerg players ! Hm hm something silly there
Well, think about it. Who are they gonna seed really? The only real candidates are allready fighting in the Up and Down, Stephano would say no anyway. The only other zerg seed i could see some motivation behind is CoCa, don't know if he is allowed in yet though?
On March 12 2012 20:55 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Naniwa will lose again every match...this is getting ridiculous.Huk would've been a much better canditate, i feel like he's more of a "korean" player than Naniwa, so is Stephano btw...
Naniwa has been in korea for a while, he lives in the Startale house and trains 8+ hours a day. How in the hell is Stephano more similiar to korean players than Naniwa?
stephano has had a lot of great results... in lower skilled tournaments, he dodges the stacked tournaments and just goes after the money so it's understandable people get over hyped by the large amount of his sub par results.
Not fair to call his results sub par. Pretty offensive tbh (and I don't even like stephano)
Also when he did go to Korea he beat Hero and DRG and lost to MC and MVP. Not a very weak lineup..
Just sayin, tournaments with the likes of Mvp, MMA, MC, Nestea, MKP etc, stephano is no where to be found. I think the last time he played in a tournament with all the big names was homestory cup 4? and he didn't even make top 8. Just looking at the facts.
On March 12 2012 20:55 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Naniwa will lose again every match...this is getting ridiculous.Huk would've been a much better canditate, i feel like he's more of a "korean" player than Naniwa, so is Stephano btw...
Naniwa has been in korea for a while, he lives in the Startale house and trains 8+ hours a day. How in the hell is Stephano more similiar to korean players than Naniwa?
stephano has had a lot of great results... in lower skilled tournaments, he dodges the stacked tournaments and just goes after the money so it's understandable people get over hyped by the large amount of his sub par results.
sub par results?!? LOL There's basically no Korean, that he's played and haven't beaten. Went to Korea, owned KR ladder as well (not as hard as EU but still, it was a good run). Went 2-2 in the GSL Blizzard cup with the best of the best Koreans, beating current GSL champion DRG. Top 10 money earned in the world. Yup sub par results all around. Stephano is just smart, has a goal (get as much money as possible) and chooses only tournaments, which pay well. He's is THE best foreigner by far. Only a moron can think otherwise.
Why you fall that far, when this is an obvious troll.
IPL 3, ESWC, Blizzard cup, HSC, Assembly, Iron squid are low skilled tournament ? This troll lacks subtlety.
On March 12 2012 20:55 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Naniwa will lose again every match...this is getting ridiculous.Huk would've been a much better canditate, i feel like he's more of a "korean" player than Naniwa, so is Stephano btw...
Naniwa has been in korea for a while, he lives in the Startale house and trains 8+ hours a day. How in the hell is Stephano more similiar to korean players than Naniwa?
stephano has had a lot of great results... in lower skilled tournaments, he dodges the stacked tournaments and just goes after the money so it's understandable people get over hyped by the large amount of his sub par results.
Not fair to call his results sub par. Pretty offensive tbh (and I don't even like stephano)
Also when he did go to Korea he beat Hero and DRG and lost to MC and MVP. Not a very weak lineup..
The games weren't very good though, DRG was just defending a ling all in and Hero was absolutely horrible that tournament. He was absolutely trounced by Mvp and the game against MC was admittedly pretty close.
Not saying stephano is bad or anything, he is obviously extremely talented.
man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
On March 12 2012 20:29 -TesteR- wrote: 1. Banning nani based on probe rushing a meaningless game was moronic, they realized it.
2. The ONLY foreigner to have beaten both Mvp and Nestea in Bo3 series multiple times, as well as many other high level wins.
Literally could not have made a better choice for a seed than nani, he is clearly the most impressive foreigner.
And has 8% (1-12) win ratio in GSL.
So freaking what he has that old record? He could have 0-100 win ration if he can constantly beat top koreans now.
When was the last time there was the best acknowledged foreigner in the GSL not just some foreigners like idra,sen,morrow,huk to fill the spots? If Stephano was up there with Naniwa we would have the best representation ever of the foreign scene. Stop with the hating and root for the best there is at this moment.
People hang on some loses and the freaking probe rush like he murdered their families.
The best foreigners have been in GSL loads of times. They always lose.
On March 12 2012 21:43 Hamzilla wrote: I dont even distinguish naniwa from a korean. I believe he's that solid. He can beat anyone he faces.
True, but sometimes he just doesnt feel that solid. On a good day he can beat anyone (which he has already proved and no other foreigner have) while sometimes he loose to a little bit worse players. Stephano on the other hand feels VERY solid, he cant loose to an inferior player.
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
Still talking about things that happened six months ago...i guess he should get a permanent code s seed.
After his 0-4 result at blizzard cup, he showed that he ain't ready to play in code S yet.
I'm glad naniwa got the seed, if we have to have them at all. Can't think of many foreigners that deserve it more. Hope he plays well although it is code S, and if people prepare for him expect to see a lot of mind games and build order wins/losses. Wish he would get over the mindset that ffe is the only viable build, its so exploitable.
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
And yet he's 1-12 in Korea and for all his hype he's never actually won a major LAN with Koreans. His closest thing is coming second in Providence which had a joke format.
Naniwa is a good player, but he's not Code S level and doesn't deserve a free seed based on finishing 8th.
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
Still talking about things that happened six months ago...i guess he should get a permanent code s seed.
After his 0-4 result at blizzard cup, he showed that he ain't ready to play in code S yet.
Were you watching the same Blizzard cup as I was? One of those games he lost on purpose, the other three were very tense and pretty close.
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
And yet he's 1-12 in Korea and for all his hype he's never actually won a major LAN with Koreans. His closest thing is coming second in Providence which had a joke format.
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
Still talking about things that happened six months ago...i guess he should get a permanent code s seed.
After his 0-4 result at blizzard cup, he showed that he ain't ready to play in code S yet.
To be fair lots of people in code S would probably go 0-4 there aswell, so that aint really an indication.
For all of those saying that Naniwa is a poor choice for this season's seeding: May I remind you his matches against leenock and Nestea (2 former GSL champions) from a few days back? He was only stopped by the best Zerg player in the WORLD from taking home the MLG Winter Arena champion title.
Naniwa has been showing consistent results in the foreign tournaments as of late and he had the Code S spot in the season 1 as well but due to the 7 probe rush against Nestea, GomTV producers decided to exclude him due to very bad manners.
It's time for Naniwa to redeem himself. I'm not saying he's gonna win the whole thing but he'll put a good show nonetheless.
On March 12 2012 21:48 MMS wrote: For all of those saying that Naniwa is a poor choice for this season's seeding: May I remind you his matches against leenock and Nestea (2 former GSL champions) from a few days back? He was only stopped by the best Zerg player in the WORLD from taking home the MLG Winter Arena champion title.
Naniwa has been showing consistent results in the foreign tournaments as of late and he had the Code S spot in the season 1 as well but due to the 7 probe rush against Nestea, GomTV producers decided to exclude him due to very bad manners.
It's time for Naniwa to redeem himself. I'm not saying he's gonna win the whole thing but he'll put a good show nonetheless.
leenock is not a GSL champion, he has nnot won GSL. And all his games vs nestea have been 2 base all ins.
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
And yet he's 1-12 in Korea and for all his hype he's never actually won a major LAN with Koreans. His closest thing is coming second in Providence which had a joke format.
If MC wouldn't have fallen in IPL 3 to a freaking pvp to inori Stephano would have never ever won his biggest event. That was a fragile format. Stacked, but the koreans just killed themselves in the bracket.
So instead of event wins that can get to you with luck (I keep Huk in the same wagon) i look to actual wins over players.
And people say that his wins are over 6 months old but they keep bringing up the 10% w/l in GSL. Lame double standards.
leenock is not a GSL champion, he has nnot won GSL. And all his games vs nestea have been 2 base all ins.
So leenock is no good? And MC is bad cause he does 2 bad allins? Saying on a bad tone that protoss goes for 2 base allins is like a protoss would say in a bad way a zerg goes 3 hatch.
On March 12 2012 21:48 MMS wrote: For all of those saying that Naniwa is a poor choice for this season's seeding: May I remind you his matches against leenock and Nestea (2 former GSL champions) from a few days back? He was only stopped by the best Zerg player in the WORLD from taking home the MLG Winter Arena champion title.
Naniwa has been showing consistent results in the foreign tournaments as of late and he had the Code S spot in the season 1 as well but due to the 7 probe rush against Nestea, GomTV producers decided to exclude him due to very bad manners.
It's time for Naniwa to redeem himself. I'm not saying he's gonna win the whole thing but he'll put a good show nonetheless.
He was also crushed 2-0 by MarineKing so he wasn't winning MLG regardless of the DRG result.
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
Still talking about things that happened six months ago...i guess he should get a permanent code s seed.
After his 0-4 result at blizzard cup, he showed that he ain't ready to play in code S yet.
Were you watching the same Blizzard cup as I was? One of those games he lost on purpose, the other three were very tense and pretty close.
Yeah i saw Blizzard cup and no matter how close those games were, he still lost...that's the difference between koreans and foreigners, they sure know how to win even if the games are close.
Can't believe how they chose Naniwa over Huk(Stephano sure would've deserved the seed, but he doesn't want to go to Korea so...)
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
And yet he's 1-12 in Korea and for all his hype he's never actually won a major LAN with Koreans. His closest thing is coming second in Providence which had a joke format.
If MC wouldn't have fallen in IPL 3 to a freaking pvp to inori Stephano would have never ever won his biggest event. That was a fragile format. Stacked, but the koreans just killed themselves in the bracket.
So instead of event wins that can get to you with luck (I keep Huk in the same wagon) i look to actual wins over players.
And people say that his wins are over 6 months old but they keep bringing up the 10% w/l in GSL. Lame double standards.
Anyone can win a single best of 3 or even two best of three's. It takes a truly great player to win enough in a row to actually win an MLG. Especially Naniwa who lets be honest 2 base all in's 80% of his PvZ and PvT's, you're going to win games playing like that.
It's much more impressive to show the consistancy to win enough games to take home a 1st place than it is to beat a good player once.
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
And yet he's 1-12 in Korea and for all his hype he's never actually won a major LAN with Koreans. His closest thing is coming second in Providence which had a joke format.
Naniwa is a good player, but he's not Code S level and doesn't deserve a free seed based on finishing 8th.
People should research before posting to refrain from looking stupid
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
Still talking about things that happened six months ago...i guess he should get a permanent code s seed.
After his 0-4 result at blizzard cup, he showed that he ain't ready to play in code S yet.
Were you watching the same Blizzard cup as I was? One of those games he lost on purpose, the other three were very tense and pretty close.
Yeah i saw Blizzard cup and no matter how close those games were, he still lost...that's the difference between koreans and foreigners, they sure know how to win even if the games are close.
Can't believe how they chose Naniwa over Huk(Stephano sure would've deserved the seed, but he doesn't want to go to Korea so...)
On March 12 2012 21:48 MMS wrote: For all of those saying that Naniwa is a poor choice for this season's seeding: May I remind you his matches against leenock and Nestea (2 former GSL champions) from a few days back? He was only stopped by the best Zerg player in the WORLD from taking home the MLG Winter Arena champion title.
Naniwa has been showing consistent results in the foreign tournaments as of late and he had the Code S spot in the season 1 as well but due to the 7 probe rush against Nestea, GomTV producers decided to exclude him due to very bad manners.
It's time for Naniwa to redeem himself. I'm not saying he's gonna win the whole thing but he'll put a good show nonetheless.
He was also crushed 2-0 by MarineKing so he wasn't winning MLG regardless of the DRG result.
You don't know that. Nor do I. But you are missing the point.. Naniwa is a top dog these days and he should be playing in Code S.
On March 12 2012 21:49 ceaRshaf wrote: So leenock is no good? And MC is bad cause he does 2 bad allins? Saying on a bad tone that protoss goes for 2 base allins is like a protoss would say in a bad way a zerg goes 3 hatch.
He beat Leenock is his worst match (but is still overall well down on Leenock in map score) and the Nestea series was a joke.
No one can possibly pretend any skill was shown by anyone in the Nestea/Naniwa series at MLG Winter. It was a 6 pool, a roach rush and a proxy 2 gate. It showed nothing.
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
And yet he's 1-12 in Korea and for all his hype he's never actually won a major LAN with Koreans. His closest thing is coming second in Providence which had a joke format.
If MC wouldn't have fallen in IPL 3 to a freaking pvp to inori Stephano would have never ever won his biggest event. That was a fragile format. Stacked, but the koreans just killed themselves in the bracket.
So instead of event wins that can get to you with luck (I keep Huk in the same wagon) i look to actual wins over players.
And people say that his wins are over 6 months old but they keep bringing up the 10% w/l in GSL. Lame double standards.
Anyone can win a single best of 3 or even two best of three's. It takes a truly great player to win enough in a row to actually win an MLG. Especially Naniwa who lets be honest 2 base all in's 80% of his PvZ and PvT's, you're going to win games playing like that.
It's much more impressive to show the consistancy to win enough games to take home a 1st place than it is to beat a good player once.
Stephano is quantity over foreigners and Naniwa is quality over koreans. Sorry, I choose my pick. Stephano is still an underdog at this moment. He is a monster outside of Korea though.
No one can possibly pretend any skill was shown by anyone in the Nestea/Naniwa series at MLG Winter. It was a 6 pool, a roach rush and a proxy 2 gate. It showed nothing.
so it takes no skill to hold rushes from the best zergs and come back and kill them. Riiiight.
I would have liked to see ThorZain try his hand at Code S. Let's see how Naniwa does this time. He has been showing some good games recently. Honestly, this foreigner mindset that Koreans have some intrinsic advantage is beyond ridiculous. They are any other flesh and blood human being like any other. Stop psyching yourselves out before you even play. If/when foreigners fix their mindset then we'll start to see a lot better results. (Also helps to have a good practice routine...and more folks should draw inspiration from Oov / Savior / Flash) Learn from the best, and take what they did and incorporate it. There is no shame in standing on the shoulders of giants. That's how we progress.
As long as the infrastructure exists in the west, we'll stay competitive, but I would really love to see a dominant Westerner emerge to challenge the Koreans. So many great storylines would be written. Where is the Sc2 Grrr.....? Is he among us right now?
On March 12 2012 21:48 MMS wrote: For all of those saying that Naniwa is a poor choice for this season's seeding: May I remind you his matches against leenock and Nestea (2 former GSL champions) from a few days back? He was only stopped by the best Zerg player in the WORLD from taking home the MLG Winter Arena champion title.
Naniwa has been showing consistent results in the foreign tournaments as of late and he had the Code S spot in the season 1 as well but due to the 7 probe rush against Nestea, GomTV producers decided to exclude him due to very bad manners.
It's time for Naniwa to redeem himself. I'm not saying he's gonna win the whole thing but he'll put a good show nonetheless.
He was also crushed 2-0 by MarineKing so he wasn't winning MLG regardless of the DRG result.
You don't know that. Nor do I. But you are missing the point.. Naniwa is a top dog these days and he should be playing in Code S.
On March 12 2012 21:55 Wegandi wrote: I would have liked to see ThorZain try his hand at Code S. Let's see how Naniwa does this time. He has been showing some good games recently. Honestly, this foreigner mindset that Koreans have some intrinsic advantage is beyond ridiculous. They are any other flesh and blood human being like any other. Stop psyching yourselves out before you even play. If/when foreigners fix their mindset then we'll start to see a lot better results. (Also helps to have a good practice routine...and more folks should draw inspiration from Oov / Savior / Flash) Learn from the best, and take what they did and incorporate it. There is no shame in standing on the shoulders of giants. That's how we progress.
As long as the infrastructure exists in the west, we'll stay competitive, but I would really love to see a dominant Westerner emerge to challenge the Koreans. So many great storylines would be written. Where is the Sc2 Grrr.....? Is he among us right now?
Thorzain played in Korea. He lost to Yugioh and went home.
On March 12 2012 21:48 MMS wrote: For all of those saying that Naniwa is a poor choice for this season's seeding: May I remind you his matches against leenock and Nestea (2 former GSL champions) from a few days back? He was only stopped by the best Zerg player in the WORLD from taking home the MLG Winter Arena champion title.
Naniwa has been showing consistent results in the foreign tournaments as of late and he had the Code S spot in the season 1 as well but due to the 7 probe rush against Nestea, GomTV producers decided to exclude him due to very bad manners.
It's time for Naniwa to redeem himself. I'm not saying he's gonna win the whole thing but he'll put a good show nonetheless.
He was also crushed 2-0 by MarineKing so he wasn't winning MLG regardless of the DRG result.
You don't know that. Nor do I. But you are missing the point.. Naniwa is a top dog these days and he should be playing in Code S.
On March 12 2012 21:48 MMS wrote: For all of those saying that Naniwa is a poor choice for this season's seeding: May I remind you his matches against leenock and Nestea (2 former GSL champions) from a few days back? He was only stopped by the best Zerg player in the WORLD from taking home the MLG Winter Arena champion title.
Naniwa has been showing consistent results in the foreign tournaments as of late and he had the Code S spot in the season 1 as well but due to the 7 probe rush against Nestea, GomTV producers decided to exclude him due to very bad manners.
It's time for Naniwa to redeem himself. I'm not saying he's gonna win the whole thing but he'll put a good show nonetheless.
He was also crushed 2-0 by MarineKing so he wasn't winning MLG regardless of the DRG result.
You don't know that. Nor do I. But you are missing the point.. Naniwa is a top dog these days and he should be playing in Code S.
Fact remains that he hasnt won anything apart from beating a few top koreans
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
And yet he's 1-12 in Korea and for all his hype he's never actually won a major LAN with Koreans. His closest thing is coming second in Providence which had a joke format.
If MC wouldn't have fallen in IPL 3 to a freaking pvp to inori Stephano would have never ever won his biggest event. That was a fragile format. Stacked, but the koreans just killed themselves in the bracket.
So instead of event wins that can get to you with luck (I keep Huk in the same wagon) i look to actual wins over players.
And people say that his wins are over 6 months old but they keep bringing up the 10% w/l in GSL. Lame double standards.
Anyone can win a single best of 3 or even two best of three's. It takes a truly great player to win enough in a row to actually win an MLG. Especially Naniwa who lets be honest 2 base all in's 80% of his PvZ and PvT's, you're going to win games playing like that.
It's much more impressive to show the consistancy to win enough games to take home a 1st place than it is to beat a good player once.
Stephano is quantity over foreigners and Naniwa is quality over koreans. Sorry, I choose my pick. Stephano is still an underdog at this moment. He is a monster outside of Korea though.
No one can possibly pretend any skill was shown by anyone in the Nestea/Naniwa series at MLG Winter. It was a 6 pool, a roach rush and a proxy 2 gate. It showed nothing.
so it take no skill to hold rushes from the best zergs and come back and kill them. Riiiight.
Stephano won two major tournaments and made it second in assembly winter in tourneys with players like Polt, MC, MKP, Lucky... That's way better than everything Naniwa did...Ret shold also get a code S seed since he beat MVP in MLG, right?
these are the best choices they coudl have made imo. very excited to see what nani can do, his record isnt the best in gsl but a lot of those blizzcup games were real close. also good choice to give huk a up down seed after his great arena run.
I wish Gom would give an explanation why they gave Polt and Naniwa the seeds. I mean, I see their reason and I have no objections, however some sort of formal explanation would still be nice.
On March 12 2012 21:48 MMS wrote: For all of those saying that Naniwa is a poor choice for this season's seeding: May I remind you his matches against leenock and Nestea (2 former GSL champions) from a few days back? He was only stopped by the best Zerg player in the WORLD from taking home the MLG Winter Arena champion title.
Naniwa has been showing consistent results in the foreign tournaments as of late and he had the Code S spot in the season 1 as well but due to the 7 probe rush against Nestea, GomTV producers decided to exclude him due to very bad manners.
It's time for Naniwa to redeem himself. I'm not saying he's gonna win the whole thing but he'll put a good show nonetheless.
He was also crushed 2-0 by MarineKing so he wasn't winning MLG regardless of the DRG result.
You don't know that. Nor do I. But you are missing the point.. Naniwa is a top dog these days and he should be playing in Code S.
If he deserved Code S he would earn it.
Why, for honor?
No, because he's had countless chances and failed them all.
Well good for naniwa, I dont really know why he deserved it, but I'm happy for him. I wonder if GOM thought the punishment for the probe rush thing has been too severe and are kind of making up for it? If anything a 1 season ban from code S is pretty fair punishment for that, which is exactly what it has ended up being.
On March 12 2012 21:54 ceaRshaf wrote: so it takes no skill to hold rushes from the best zergs and come back and kill them. Riiiight.
It's pretty funny that you think a Nestea 6 pool is some kind of godly 6 pool which is better than anyone elses 6 pool, as he can control those eight Zerglings in a way no other Zerg can.
On March 12 2012 21:57 JustPassingBy wrote: I wish Gom would give an explanation why they gave Polt and Naniwa the seeds. I mean, I see their reason and I have no objections, however some sort of formal explanation would still be nice.
Thought on hindsight, regarding tournament results of non-Code S players, I do see both Huk and viOlet before Naniwa. You could argue that Naniwa beat the better players at MLG winter, but if you go that deep (in the analysis of the tournament) you might as well go one step further and say that his series against the zergs where more display of successful mindgames than display of skills.
On March 12 2012 21:54 ceaRshaf wrote: so it takes no skill to hold rushes from the best zergs and come back and kill them. Riiiight.
It's pretty funny that you think a Nestea 6 pool is some kind of godly 6 pool which is better than anyone elses 6 pool, as he can control those eight Zerglings in a way no other Zerg can.
It's funny that you think foreigners deserve no credit for winning games over koreans.
Ugh Seraphone is still at it with his endless foreigner bashing and negativity...this is getting old. Is there any way to hide/block posts of a single person?
Naniwa has shown he can compete against the top GSL players so I hope he can get over his nerves and play some good games. The Code S line-up is really sick btw, just a few more Zergs and it'd be perfect.
On March 12 2012 21:54 ceaRshaf wrote: so it takes no skill to hold rushes from the best zergs and come back and kill them. Riiiight.
It's pretty funny that you think a Nestea 6 pool is some kind of godly 6 pool which is better than anyone elses 6 pool, as he can control those eight Zerglings in a way no other Zerg can.
It's funny that you think foreigners deserve no credit for winning games over koreans.
He deserves to go to the next round of MLG. That is it.
He doesn't deserve a free seed into another, better tournament when both Violet and Huk deserved it more.
On March 12 2012 21:54 ceaRshaf wrote: so it takes no skill to hold rushes from the best zergs and come back and kill them. Riiiight.
It's pretty funny that you think a Nestea 6 pool is some kind of godly 6 pool which is better than anyone elses 6 pool, as he can control those eight Zerglings in a way no other Zerg can.
It's funny that you think foreigners deserve no credit for winning games over koreans.
He deserves to go to the next round of MLG. That is it.
He doesn't deserve a free seed into another, better tournament when both Violet and Huk deserved it more.
On March 12 2012 22:01 Logros wrote: Ugh Seraphone is still at it with his endless foreigner bashing and negativity...this is getting old. Is there any way to hide/block posts of a single person?
Naniwa has shown he can compete against the top GSL players so I hope he can get over his nerves and play some good games. The Code S line-up is really sick btw, just a few more Zergs and it'd be perfect.
How about other non code S/A koreans who produce better results than Nani?
On March 12 2012 22:01 Logros wrote: Ugh Seraphone is still at it with his endless foreigner bashing and negativity...this is getting old. Is there any way to hide/block posts of a single person?
Naniwa has shown he can compete against the top GSL players so I hope he can get over his nerves and play some good games. The Code S line-up is really sick btw, just a few more Zergs and it'd be perfect.
How about other non code S/A koreans who produce better results than Nani?
Well, the name is "Global...". So they might want to stick to that. Money talks and rating is needed.
good that Polt got seeded he really deserves if. On the other hand.. wtf Naniwa code s spot? For what exactly? A bit sad that GOM still seeds foreigners when there are lots of koreans with better results. But I guess naniwa gets more viewers
On March 12 2012 22:01 Logros wrote: Ugh Seraphone is still at it with his endless foreigner bashing and negativity...this is getting old. Is there any way to hide/block posts of a single person?
Seraphone didn't say anything that bash all foreigners, i uderstand his points...Huk was third in MLG(he beat Oz and ret-who beat MVP-) and lost only to MKP, while Naniwa beat Nestea and Leenock(not the best ZvP out there) and lost to MKP and DRG.
On March 12 2012 21:54 ceaRshaf wrote: so it takes no skill to hold rushes from the best zergs and come back and kill them. Riiiight.
It's pretty funny that you think a Nestea 6 pool is some kind of godly 6 pool which is better than anyone elses 6 pool, as he can control those eight Zerglings in a way no other Zerg can.
It's funny that you think foreigners deserve no credit for winning games over koreans.
He deserves to go to the next round of MLG. That is it.
He doesn't deserve a free seed into another, better tournament when both Violet and Huk deserved it more.
Huk? =)) =)) For beating who? OZ?
3rd place is better than 8th place. In case you didn't realise that. Huk got major bracket luck sure, but too bad. If anything though beating Oz in PvP is around as impressive as proxy two gating, defending a six pool and beating Leenock is his worst matchup.
At the end of the day both Naniwa and Huk got raped by DRG and MKP but one of them finished on the medal podium.
Ret beat MVP does he deserve a seed? Demuslim beat Nestea should he get a seed? Grubby beat Losira how about Code S for Grubby?
I'd add Puma to list of players who deserve a Code S handout more than Naniwa as well.
So that's Puma, Huk, Violet and Stephano although I'm sure Stephano just declined one.
Honestly I have nothing against Naniwa, but his tournement play goes like this: Go do fantastic in a high quality foreigner tournement, get into code A, do bad. Do fantastic in foreign tournement, get into code A, do bad. But hopefully he will break his bad streak and stick in Code S.
On March 12 2012 21:48 MMS wrote: For all of those saying that Naniwa is a poor choice for this season's seeding: May I remind you his matches against leenock and Nestea (2 former GSL champions) from a few days back? He was only stopped by the best Zerg player in the WORLD from taking home the MLG Winter Arena champion title.
Naniwa has been showing consistent results in the foreign tournaments as of late and he had the Code S spot in the season 1 as well but due to the 7 probe rush against Nestea, GomTV producers decided to exclude him due to very bad manners.
It's time for Naniwa to redeem himself. I'm not saying he's gonna win the whole thing but he'll put a good show nonetheless.
He was also crushed 2-0 by MarineKing so he wasn't winning MLG regardless of the DRG result.
You don't know that. Nor do I. But you are missing the point.. Naniwa is a top dog these days and he should be playing in Code S.
If he deserved Code S he would earn it.
Why, for honor?
Are you a Naniwa fan?All of your posts seems so biased toward him. I am not taking any sides here but i want to know GOM reasoning for seeding Naniwa into Code S. Is it based on his results or for the foreign market? We have seen almost all the foreigners get demolished at Code A and Code S. I think Violet,Puma and Stephano would deserve the seed better than Naniwa since they have posted much better results than him lately.Getting top 8 in MLG winter isn't exactly worth deserving a Code S.
So sad that there's not more Zerg players. I really hope that NesTea makes it far into the tourney or that another Zerg can make it from the up and down matches or I'll not be watching most of the season.
It actually put a smile on my face that Nani was invited, since it shows that GomTV gives second chances . Although I´m not a huge Naniwa fan, the foreigner spot was obviously between him and Stephano.
Having said that I still feel that the"invite spots"should still at best be granted Code A status, since a lot of Korean players work incredibly hard to get to code S and "deserve" Code S spots just as much if not more than the players who get seeded in . Not saying that Nani and Polt don´t work hard, but they should atleast go through Code A like everyone else.
On March 12 2012 22:04 Tofugrinder wrote: good that Polt got seeded he really deserves if. On the other hand.. wtf Naniwa code s spot? For what exactly? A bit sad that GOM still seeds foreigners when there are lots of koreans with better results. But I guess naniwa gets more viewers
You agree with Polt seed but not Naniwa? Polt dropped out of GSL in the first round of Code A only a few weeks ago. If you say well foreigner tournaments because Polt just won Assembly, then why disregard Naniwa's 2nd place at Providence (beating Nestea, Huk and DRG), his win of the global invitational (over MVP and Nestea) and his good run at the winter arena.
On March 12 2012 21:54 ceaRshaf wrote: so it takes no skill to hold rushes from the best zergs and come back and kill them. Riiiight.
It's pretty funny that you think a Nestea 6 pool is some kind of godly 6 pool which is better than anyone elses 6 pool, as he can control those eight Zerglings in a way no other Zerg can.
It's funny that you think foreigners deserve no credit for winning games over koreans.
He deserves to go to the next round of MLG. That is it.
He doesn't deserve a free seed into another, better tournament when both Violet and Huk deserved it more.
Huk? =)) =)) For beating who? OZ?
3rd place is better than 8th place. In case you didn't realise that. Huk got major bracket luck sure, but too bad. If anything though beating Oz in PvP is around as impressive as proxy two gating, defending a six pool and beating Leenock is his worst matchup.
Ret beat MVP does he deserve a seed? Demuslim beat Nestea should he get a seed? Grubby beat Losira how about Code S for Grubby?
3rd place is better than 8th but again, only you look at trophies. I look at who they actually beat. And Ret and Demuslim if they perform once more like this to prove that wasn't a lucky day (like hypro) then sure, it means they got what it takes to beat koreans.
And you still bring the strategies from the naniwas games. The 2 gate proxy in the 3rd game vs Nestea was 10 times more brilliant (especially from a metagame point of view) than the 9 gates of huk in every matchup.
And stop defending Stephano, he doesn't want to compete in GSL anyways.
Are you a Naniwa fan?
I am a Stephano and Naniwa fan but I have to admit that the Stephano EU domination is not the biggest thing out there.
Also when he meets a good korean Stephano usually fails to deliver but showing a great battle non the less.
So even though I am a stephano fan also I can't help it when I see all this Naniwa haters. The guys is a beast. Deal with it.
On March 12 2012 22:01 Logros wrote: Ugh Seraphone is still at it with his endless foreigner bashing and negativity...this is getting old. Is there any way to hide/block posts of a single person?
Seraphone didn't say anything that bash all foreigners, i uderstand his points...Huk was third in MLG(he beat Oz and ret-who beat MVP-) and lost only to MKP, while Naniwa beat Nestea and Leenock(not the best ZvP out there) and lost to MKP and DRG.
Huk got rolled by DRG @MLG Winter Arena. Please get your facts straight first :/
On March 12 2012 21:54 ceaRshaf wrote: so it takes no skill to hold rushes from the best zergs and come back and kill them. Riiiight.
It's pretty funny that you think a Nestea 6 pool is some kind of godly 6 pool which is better than anyone elses 6 pool, as he can control those eight Zerglings in a way no other Zerg can.
It's funny that you think foreigners deserve no credit for winning games over koreans.
He deserves to go to the next round of MLG. That is it.
He doesn't deserve a free seed into another, better tournament when both Violet and Huk deserved it more.
Huk? =)) =)) For beating who? OZ?
3rd place is better than 8th place. In case you didn't realise that. Huk got major bracket luck sure, but too bad. If anything though beating Oz in PvP is around as impressive as proxy two gating, defending a six pool and beating Leenock is his worst matchup.
Ret beat MVP does he deserve a seed? Demuslim beat Nestea should he get a seed? Grubby beat Losira how about Code S for Grubby?
3rd place is better than 8th but again, only you look at trophies. I look at who they actually beat. And Ret and Demuslim if they perform once more like this to prove that wasn't a lucky day (like hypro) then sure, it means they got what it takes to beat koreans.
And you still bring the strategies from the naniwas games. The 2 gate proxy in the 3rd game vs Nestea was 10 times more brilliant (especially from a metagame point of view) than the 9 gates of huk in every matchup.
And stop defending Stephano, he doesn't want to compete in GSL anyways.
So why are you allowed to ignore results, but only take account of who a player beat and yet completely ignore what actually happened in the match?
That seems extremely selective and dumb.
So in your bizzare world of wanting Naniwa to get Code S at all costs what matters is not where you finish in tournament but how many good (and of course good is relative to whether you played Naniwa or not seen as Oz in PvP is apparently worth less than Leenock in ZvP) players you beat but what has even less relevance than where you finished in a tournament is how you actually won your games.
On March 12 2012 22:01 Logros wrote: Ugh Seraphone is still at it with his endless foreigner bashing and negativity...this is getting old. Is there any way to hide/block posts of a single person?
Seraphone didn't say anything that bash all foreigners, i uderstand his points...Huk was third in MLG(he beat Oz and ret-who beat MVP-) and lost only to MKP, while Naniwa beat Nestea and Leenock(not the best ZvP out there) and lost to MKP and DRG.
get your facts right, HuK lost to MKP and DRG, just like Naniwa.
On March 12 2012 22:08 Elean wrote: They really don't want to seed Puma... He is by far the player with the most achievements in the foreign scene.
Are you serious? I thought GOM said they will invite players with great achievements in the foreign scene regardless of nationality into Code S.
Polt got seed. Also Violet was the winner of IEM San Paulo. I believe Violet deserve the seed more than Puma and Naniwa.
I agreed with you.IMO Violet has been improving a lot and have been posting very good results lately. Stephano,Violet and Puma deserve the Code S more than Naniwa.
On March 12 2012 22:08 Elean wrote: They really don't want to seed Puma... He is by far the player with the most achievements in the foreign scene.
Are you serious? I thought GOM said they will invite players with great achievements in the foreign scene regardless of nationality into Code S.
Polt got seed. Also Violet was the winner of IEM San Paulo. I believe Violet deserve the seed more than Puma and Naniwa.
Violet ? for winning IEM San Paulo where koreans decided not to go because it was too far ? Yeah, right. This clearly outweight: 2nd IEM WC, 1 game away from taking the title Assembly 3rd 2nd Dreamhack winter, 1 game away from taking the title 2 times NASL champion 1rst IEM Cologne.
On March 12 2012 22:08 Elean wrote: They really don't want to seed Puma... He is by far the player with the most achievements in the foreign scene.
Are you serious? I thought GOM said they will invite players with great achievements in the foreign scene regardless of nationality into Code S.
Polt got seed. Also Violet was the winner of IEM San Paulo. I believe Violet deserve the seed more than Puma and Naniwa.
i disagree, violets achievements are not comparable to Pumas or even Polts in the foreign scene. And Naniwa IS a foreigner and that gives him a small bonus.
On March 12 2012 22:04 Tofugrinder wrote: good that Polt got seeded he really deserves if. On the other hand.. wtf Naniwa code s spot? For what exactly? A bit sad that GOM still seeds foreigners when there are lots of koreans with better results. But I guess naniwa gets more viewers
You agree with Polt seed but not Naniwa? Polt dropped out of GSL in the first round of Code A only a few weeks ago. If you say well foreigner tournaments because Polt just won Assembly, then why disregard Naniwa's 2nd place at Providence (beating Nestea, Huk and DRG), his win of the global invitational (over MVP and Nestea) and his good run at the winter arena.
after what Naniwa did in GSL I would life ban him from GSL,but other than that, Polt has shown really good results lately and Naniwa didn't do much lately - Providence was long time ago. There are obvisiously many koreans who had better results in the last months than naniwa
On March 12 2012 22:08 Elean wrote: They really don't want to seed Puma... He is by far the player with the most achievements in the foreign scene.
Are you serious? I thought GOM said they will invite players with great achievements in the foreign scene regardless of nationality into Code S.
Polt got seed. Also Violet was the winner of IEM San Paulo. I believe Violet deserve the seed more than Puma and Naniwa.
Violet ? for winning IEM San Paulo where koreans decided not to go because it was too far ? Yeah, right. This clearly outweight: 2nd IEM WC, 1 game away from taking the title Assembly 3rd 2nd Dreamhack winter, 1 game away from taking the title 2 times NASL champion 1rst IEM Cologne.
I think Puma's results are way more consistent than Naniwa's. He def deserves a seed IMO. Providence was pretty way back.
On March 12 2012 22:04 Tofugrinder wrote: good that Polt got seeded he really deserves if. On the other hand.. wtf Naniwa code s spot? For what exactly? A bit sad that GOM still seeds foreigners when there are lots of koreans with better results. But I guess naniwa gets more viewers
You agree with Polt seed but not Naniwa? Polt dropped out of GSL in the first round of Code A only a few weeks ago. If you say well foreigner tournaments because Polt just won Assembly, then why disregard Naniwa's 2nd place at Providence (beating Nestea, Huk and DRG), his win of the global invitational (over MVP and Nestea) and his good run at the winter arena.
after what Naniwa did in GSL I would life ban him from GSL,but other than that, Polt has shown really good results lately and Naniwa didn't do much lately - Providence was long time ago. There are obvisiously many koreans who had better results in the last months than naniwa
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
Still talking about things that happened six months ago...i guess he should get a permanent code s seed.
After his 0-4 result at blizzard cup, he showed that he ain't ready to play in code S yet.
Were you watching the same Blizzard cup as I was? One of those games he lost on purpose, the other three were very tense and pretty close.
Yeah i saw Blizzard cup and no matter how close those games were, he still lost...that's the difference between koreans and foreigners, they sure know how to win even if the games are close.
Can't believe how they chose Naniwa over Huk(Stephano sure would've deserved the seed, but he doesn't want to go to Korea so...)
Because when Huk loses it's not close.
Haha, thank you good sir, this post made my day
I think both Polt and Naniwa deserved the invites. Naniwas GSL record may be horrible but his overallrecord and his collection of scalps is extremely impressive. Hopefully he will prove himself now and silence the haters
On March 12 2012 22:04 Tofugrinder wrote: good that Polt got seeded he really deserves if. On the other hand.. wtf Naniwa code s spot? For what exactly? A bit sad that GOM still seeds foreigners when there are lots of koreans with better results. But I guess naniwa gets more viewers
You agree with Polt seed but not Naniwa? Polt dropped out of GSL in the first round of Code A only a few weeks ago. If you say well foreigner tournaments because Polt just won Assembly, then why disregard Naniwa's 2nd place at Providence (beating Nestea, Huk and DRG), his win of the global invitational (over MVP and Nestea) and his good run at the winter arena.
after what Naniwa did in GSL I would life ban him from GSL,but other than that, Polt has shown really good results lately and Naniwa didn't do much lately - Providence was long time ago. There are obvisiously many koreans who had better results in the last months than naniwa
what have naniwa did that was controversial in the gsl? i know he threw a meaningless game in a little AoL-tourney.. but what have he done in gsl?
On March 12 2012 22:01 Logros wrote: Ugh Seraphone is still at it with his endless foreigner bashing and negativity...this is getting old. Is there any way to hide/block posts of a single person?
Seraphone didn't say anything that bash all foreigners, i uderstand his points...Huk was third in MLG(he beat Oz and ret-who beat MVP-) and lost only to MKP, while Naniwa beat Nestea and Leenock(not the best ZvP out there) and lost to MKP and DRG.
Huk got rolled by DRG @MLG Winter Arena. Please get your facts straight first :/
true, Huk was uber lucky with his run at MLG and he hasn't won anything in ages and he seems like he is falling behind a lot of the other foreigners such as naniwa and stephano
On March 12 2012 22:04 Tofugrinder wrote: good that Polt got seeded he really deserves if. On the other hand.. wtf Naniwa code s spot? For what exactly? A bit sad that GOM still seeds foreigners when there are lots of koreans with better results. But I guess naniwa gets more viewers
You agree with Polt seed but not Naniwa? Polt dropped out of GSL in the first round of Code A only a few weeks ago. If you say well foreigner tournaments because Polt just won Assembly, then why disregard Naniwa's 2nd place at Providence (beating Nestea, Huk and DRG), his win of the global invitational (over MVP and Nestea) and his good run at the winter arena.
after what Naniwa did in GSL I would life ban him from GSL,but other than that, Polt has shown really good results lately and Naniwa didn't do much lately - Providence was long time ago. There are obvisiously many koreans who had better results in the last months than naniwa
what have naniwa did that was controversial in the gsl? i know he threw a meaningless game in a little AoL-tourney.. but what have he done in gsl?
It wasn't in the AOL. It was in the Blizzard Cup (i.e A proper live tournament).
Wow Polt my favorite terran player is in again! I really hope Naniwa does well too. I used to not like him that much, but it seems that his personality has gotten much more "like-able" recently. I hope both players do well and prove their worth for getting the seeds.
I believe Naniwa will stay in Code S, this should give him motivation enough to practice. I hope he doesn't botch this like the other foreigners and drop down to Code B.
I enjoyed looking at the names of all the Up/Down players and seeing "Chris Loranger" amongst a sea of Korean characters. Hopefully HuK can make it through and make it two foreigners in Code S, however I would love to see even more, particularly people who haven't had a go yet such as Ret, Kas and Feast showed at IEM he had the potential to take down some Code S players!
I really hope to see some great games from NaNi and HuK in season 2!
The seed for NaNi is a bit early, he could do better season 3 or 4 after getting a couple of qualifiers under his belt and generally more training. I refuse to call it waste however, whoever made this call has obviously a very high opinion of him.
It seems to me a lot of the animosity towards the foreign 'seeds' into the up & downs/code S comes to from the term 'seed.' Do people really feel that strongly about the right of GOM to incorporate 'wildcards' into their tournament structure? Most tennis and golf events do so? It allows them to recognise achievements outside of their qualification structure and incorporate players who make the tournement more interesting (from the organisers perspective) whilst, as the numbers are relatively low, not compromising the legitimacy of their qualification structure.
Wildcards can be used to honour peoples mast achievements and make for great story lines ( see Goran Ivanišević at wimbledon), the allow tournaments to promote young, local talent as well as help develop less strong scenes. There are many merits a tournament may wish to reward which their qualification structure is unable to account for and wildcards allow the organisers to recognise this.
On March 12 2012 19:34 Noocta wrote: That Terran line up in code S is so stacked. These 10 are all so good at Terran.
Also, i'm a but sad at the lack of any oGs player in Code S. TT
The league that's supposed to be made up of the best players of starcraft 2 is....stacked? o.O
Weeeeeelll
Yeah i know, it's a bit obvious. But the Code S line up has rarely be this talented. By that i mean there's no real obvious lesser player in that list.
=P
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yeah, on another note. other than group E there aren't a lot of stand-out names from the ten coming from up and downs.
Ehm, GanZi, Leenock, JYP, sC, Lucky just to name a few? :p
On March 12 2012 20:55 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Naniwa will lose again every match...this is getting ridiculous.Huk would've been a much better canditate, i feel like he's more of a "korean" player than Naniwa, so is Stephano btw...
After GOM changed to rules so Code S players had a chance to go down to code A, after that it didnt take long before Huk went straight from code S > code A > code nothing without winning a game.
Even though i wish there were more zerg since there are only a few extrememly strong ones with different play styles it will be harder for the toss and terran to practice against them. I feel DRG is still the favorite to win next season also and Nestea is always a threat when he sits down in the booth.
Polt really deserved that. Naniwa is probably the best foreigner other than Stephano, who wouldn't do it anyway, so that seems like an ok choice. I hope he does something with it this time around.
I really like how gom is handling things, from player sanctions to format changes. Seeding Huk would be dangerous imo insofar that then the decline from code S would become inconsequential when you immediately get seeded back in. I hope Naniwa can at least avoid the up and downs, foreigner hope has seen better days
Naniwa gets the seed after what he did? What a joke. He BM's the whole community and is unlikeable at a public level. hope he get's thrown out. He will be the weakest player no matter what group he ends up in.
Polt on the other hand is a great choice that guy is amazing
I'm a Naniwa fan, but I also agreed with the punishment of taking away his code S seed after the probe rushing crap. He screwed up and deserved to be punished, and he was.
Since then he's proven himself to be an extremely skilled player (not that that was ever a problem) and I'm glad he's getting this code S seed. It's definetely well deserved.
His performance at MLG must have really impressed Mr Chae and crew, it was well deserved in my opinion. Very strong Protoss line-up in the next season too. Hope he proves himself on the biggest stage.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
As loathe as I am to admit it, Huk is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners.
I just don't like that you can get absolutely destroyed over and over again in the GSL and then on the back of a good weekend where you win two 2-1 series at another event you somehow get promoted to Code S.
Huk hasn't been that consistent lately and lost to Terious in Code A while Naniwa showed us he's still got it in his series against Nestea and Leenock.
Meh naniwa lost to people in code A too. A lot more. I think this is partially due to the taking away thing from the past season.
On March 12 2012 22:04 Tofugrinder wrote: good that Polt got seeded he really deserves if. On the other hand.. wtf Naniwa code s spot? For what exactly? A bit sad that GOM still seeds foreigners when there are lots of koreans with better results. But I guess naniwa gets more viewers
You agree with Polt seed but not Naniwa? Polt dropped out of GSL in the first round of Code A only a few weeks ago. If you say well foreigner tournaments because Polt just won Assembly, then why disregard Naniwa's 2nd place at Providence (beating Nestea, Huk and DRG), his win of the global invitational (over MVP and Nestea) and his good run at the winter arena.
after what Naniwa did in GSL I would life ban him from GSL,but other than that, Polt has shown really good results lately and Naniwa didn't do much lately - Providence was long time ago. There are obvisiously many koreans who had better results in the last months than naniwa
Stupid biased fan of EG probably. First of all Nani didnt do that in GSL, at least get facts right before you trash someone, 2nd Idra did something far far worse way back and all he got was RIP Idra video from GOM.
On March 13 2012 00:56 kasik047 wrote: Anyone else think its awesome that Liquid has more/same amount of code s'ers then all foreigner teams/FXO/Startale/TSL/OGS at the moment.
Coincidentally these two players Liquid has in Code S are koreans that would be there anyway so that's pointless.
Geez, that Terran line up is scary. And to think that we still have terrans like sC, theStc, ForGG, Ganzi, Boxer, Happy and SuperNoVa in the Up and Downs
On March 13 2012 00:56 kasik047 wrote: Anyone else think its awesome that Liquid has more/same amount of code s'ers then all foreigner teams/FXO/Startale/TSL/OGS at the moment.
Coincidentally these two players Liquid has in Code S are koreans that would be there anyway so that's pointless.
On March 13 2012 00:56 kasik047 wrote: Anyone else think its awesome that Liquid has more/same amount of code s'ers then all foreigner teams/FXO/Startale/TSL/OGS at the moment.
I think it is awesome Liquid has 2 people in code S, but to compare that to Foreigner teams I don't find fair, as both the players are Korean. And if you are comparing using that criteria NaDa is on complexity, MC is on SK, Gumiho and Oz are on FXOpen, Fnatic has alive, thats 5 Korean players on foreign teams right there. And Naniwa on Quantic brings that total up to 6 before up and downs are done
If it was TLO and Jinro then Yes, and I would be soooo happy about that, but while I am happy for Hero and Zenio, I really would like to see some foreigners competing on that level. I would prefer to see Nani or Huk boss it up and make the finals, despite the fact that Liquid is my favorite team.
Congratulations to Fionn and Naniwa. Oh, and Polt too. Polt is too good to not be in Code S and Naniwa got the seed he should have had last time around. Good choices and Naniwa fighting!
It's pointless to argue who deserves the slot more. Just accept who they chose and let the next season come to pass as it should.
I didn't think they'd possibly give Naniwa another spot, I was wrong. I think Naniwa's grown and we'll see him either do very well, or fade from the tournament with respect to the game and the tournament itself. Regardless of whether or not he deserves the seed, he got it, and I'm sure he'll do his team and fans proud.
Regardless, as others have said, this is going to be a very good, very stacked tournament. I'm excited.
On March 13 2012 00:56 kasik047 wrote: Anyone else think its awesome that Liquid has more/same amount of code s'ers then all foreigner teams/FXO/Startale/TSL/OGS at the moment.
Coincidentally these two players Liquid has in Code S are koreans that would be there anyway so that's pointless.
Weird logic.
So if mouz picks up drg, mma and nestea they can then brag about being the foreign team with most code s players? It's not really something big if all you did was pick up code s koreans.
Naniwa shouldn't be bunched together with morrow, idra, sen and anyone else who got a pointless seed. He should belong in the group with MMA, MC and DRG for earning a seed from mlg just like the other 3. And well they havn't really dissapointed after those seeds right? 3 of the 4 last cups ^^
On March 13 2012 01:29 Leriond wrote: Naniwa shouldn't be bunched together with morrow, idra, sen and anyone else who got a pointless seed. He should belong in the group with MMA, MC and DRG for earning a seed from mlg just like the other 3. And well they havn't really dissapointed after those seeds right? 3 of the 4 last cups ^^
But naniwa didn't get an MLG seed. He got a foreigner seed that was given to foreigners. And I highly doubt he'll do better than Idra and sen did.
On March 12 2012 18:22 Zzoram wrote: Naniwa is the most deserving foreigner for Code S seed other than Stephano. Glad that there is no bad blood between GOM and Naniwa. Seems like time to leave that drama behind.
So what has stephano done since IPL 3 besides owning foreigners? I don't get why we still hype the shit out of stephano, yes he is by far the best european zerg, but in recent times he has not showed that he is actually able to compete with code s players.
After his run at MLG Nani more than deserves this, especially after he was already supposed to get one last season for his great run at the mlg nationals, and I think his reaction after he probe rushed is fine and he has had his punishment. I just hope he is actually able to improve his terrible GSL record, please don't put him in a group with lucky.
Pretty much the same goes for polt, winning in a field of players like that is really impressive, plus code s wouldn't be the same without polt :D
This is definitely better than previous seeds that they had given away. Polt definitely deserves it, and so far Nani hasn't really done anything to prove that he does not deserve this seed. So I agree with these.
Not keen on direct Code S seeds, particularly for foreigners. Anyway, whatever, grats to Naniwa. If he can finally put his weekend-long tournament skillset to good use in the GSL format he could certainly make a decent run.
On March 12 2012 18:22 Zzoram wrote: Naniwa is the most deserving foreigner for Code S seed other than Stephano. Glad that there is no bad blood between GOM and Naniwa. Seems like time to leave that drama behind.
So what has stephano done since IPL 3 besides owning foreigners? I don't get why we still hype the shit out of stephano, yes he is by far the best european zerg, but in recent times he has not showed that he is actually able to compete with code s players.
Second place Assembly, 2-2 in Blizzard cup group including win against DRG who finished second there and won this GSL. And I need to ask, what has anyone not already in code S done since IPL besides owning foreigners? There hasn't been that many tournaments except for Assembly and MLG - Polt from Assembly as well as Huk and Naniwa from MLG are seeded already. Only thing remaining is IEM World Cup, which was heavily dominated by people who are already code S (and played very recently so they probably made the decisions for seeds before it was played). There's not a lot of people to choose from.
On March 13 2012 01:29 Leriond wrote: Naniwa shouldn't be bunched together with morrow, idra, sen and anyone else who got a pointless seed. He should belong in the group with MMA, MC and DRG for earning a seed from mlg just like the other 3. And well they havn't really dissapointed after those seeds right? 3 of the 4 last cups ^^
But naniwa didn't get an MLG seed. He got a foreigner seed that was given to foreigners. And I highly doubt he'll do better than Idra and sen did.
I highly doubt he'll do worse. Actually he can't possibly do worse since they lost both their code S matches.
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
And yet he's 1-12 in Korea and for all his hype he's never actually won a major LAN with Koreans. His closest thing is coming second in Providence which had a joke format.
Naniwa is a good player, but he's not Code S level and doesn't deserve a free seed based on finishing 8th.
MLG Global had a LAN portion at Providence, and he beat Nestea and MVP to win it, then beat Nestea again the next day.
On March 12 2012 21:55 Wegandi wrote: I would have liked to see ThorZain try his hand at Code S. Let's see how Naniwa does this time. He has been showing some good games recently. Honestly, this foreigner mindset that Koreans have some intrinsic advantage is beyond ridiculous. They are any other flesh and blood human being like any other. Stop psyching yourselves out before you even play. If/when foreigners fix their mindset then we'll start to see a lot better results. (Also helps to have a good practice routine...and more folks should draw inspiration from Oov / Savior / Flash) Learn from the best, and take what they did and incorporate it. There is no shame in standing on the shoulders of giants. That's how we progress.
As long as the infrastructure exists in the west, we'll stay competitive, but I would really love to see a dominant Westerner emerge to challenge the Koreans. So many great storylines would be written. Where is the Sc2 Grrr.....? Is he among us right now?
Thorzain's style of TvZ doesn't work against top Koreans. He doesn't multitask very well and he's not aggressive since he never attacks. He needs to up his APM and drop aggression if he wants to win in GSL.
On March 12 2012 21:57 JustPassingBy wrote: I wish Gom would give an explanation why they gave Polt and Naniwa the seeds. I mean, I see their reason and I have no objections, however some sort of formal explanation would still be nice.
Thought on hindsight, regarding tournament results of non-Code S players, I do see both Huk and viOlet before Naniwa. You could argue that Naniwa beat the better players at MLG winter, but if you go that deep (in the analysis of the tournament) you might as well go one step further and say that his series against the zergs where more display of successful mindgames than display of skills.
Even so, mind games are a huge part of GSL and part of why foriegners struggle in GSL.
Naniwa seeded, only 4 zergs with very low chance of many more being added through up and downs (one per group of six)... why did I even bother getting a ticket for this year. :/
On March 12 2012 18:22 Zzoram wrote: Naniwa is the most deserving foreigner for Code S seed other than Stephano. Glad that there is no bad blood between GOM and Naniwa. Seems like time to leave that drama behind.
So what has stephano done since IPL 3 besides owning foreigners? I don't get why we still hype the shit out of stephano, yes he is by far the best european zerg, but in recent times he has not showed that he is actually able to compete with code s players.
Second place Assembly, 2-2 in Blizzard cup group including win against DRG who finished second there and won this GSL. And I need to ask, what has anyone not already in code S done since IPL besides owning foreigners? There hasn't been that many tournaments except for Assembly and MLG - Polt from Assembly as well as Huk and Naniwa from MLG are seeded already. Only thing remaining is IEM World Cup, which was heavily dominated by people who are already code S (and played very recently so they probably made the decisions for seeds before it was played). There's not a lot of people to choose from.
Puma's won NASL Season 2, finished second at Dreamhack Winter and IEM World Championships and finished 3rd at Assembly and IEM China in that time.
On March 12 2012 21:36 Sc2Null wrote: man..wanted stephano but he didn't want it..wierd that a foreigner would be seeded despite not winning a tournament and being owned in code A repeatedly.
Yeah, the dude that beat DRG, and Nestea and MVP in the same day, and then Nestea again, and then Nestea and leenock is just a complete nobody that deserves nothing. Who is this bronze naniwa?
And yet he's 1-12 in Korea and for all his hype he's never actually won a major LAN with Koreans. His closest thing is coming second in Providence which had a joke format.
Naniwa is a good player, but he's not Code S level and doesn't deserve a free seed based on finishing 8th.
MLG Global had a LAN portion at Providence, and he beat Nestea and MVP to win it, then beat Nestea again the next day.
It wasn't really a proper LAN. More a special event.
i feel bad for the foreigners who struggled to make it through code a prelims. Players like Jinro and Sase are probably angry and may have a right to be angry. Achievements aside, I think a lot of the foreigners have equal justification to be seeded. Still though, None of those said foreigners I believe are Code S calibur, including naniwa.
On March 13 2012 02:08 JiYan wrote: i feel bad for the foreigners who struggled to make it through code a prelims. Players like Jinro and Sase are probably angry and may have a right to be angry. Achievements aside, I think a lot of the foreigners have equal justification to be seeded. Still though, None of those said foreigners I believe are Code S calibur, including naniwa.
Jinro and SaSe haven't performed at Naniwa's level in foreign events ever. I don't think they are equal to Naniwa.
I really don't like foreigners getting seeded straight into Code S or Code A. Naniwa has never succeeded in GSL for as long as I can remember, and he gets put right into Code S? I just don't get it. Yeah he beat Koreans at foreign events where you can't really prepare for your opponent, but that is completely different than games played for the GSL. It's going to come to a point in time where foreigners are going to keep failing so hard that people aren't going to care whether foreigners get seeded straight into Code A/Code S or not. With that out of the way, good luck to Naniwa though. I hope he can break the trend.
On March 13 2012 02:13 Zzoram wrote: Jinro and SaSe haven't performed at Naniwa's level in foreign events ever. I don't think they are equal to Naniwa.
On March 13 2012 02:08 JiYan wrote: i feel bad for the foreigners who struggled to make it through code a prelims. Players like Jinro and Sase are probably angry and may have a right to be angry. Achievements aside, I think a lot of the foreigners have equal justification to be seeded. Still though, None of those said foreigners I believe are Code S calibur, including naniwa.
I doubt jinro is angry. He turned down seeds in the past because he said he wanted to qualify the normal way
On March 13 2012 02:08 JiYan wrote: i feel bad for the foreigners who struggled to make it through code a prelims. Players like Jinro and Sase are probably angry and may have a right to be angry. Achievements aside, I think a lot of the foreigners have equal justification to be seeded. Still though, None of those said foreigners I believe are Code S calibur, including naniwa.
I doubt jinro is angry. He turned down seeds in the past because he said he wanted to qualify the normal way
Man I hope Naniwa can make it at least one round would make me very happy. He has the potential thats for sure, but his performance in GSL always seem to be lower then in foreign events. I hope he can break that cycle. I guess it will depend on the group he gets seeded too also.
On March 13 2012 02:08 JiYan wrote: i feel bad for the foreigners who struggled to make it through code a prelims. Players like Jinro and Sase are probably angry and may have a right to be angry. Achievements aside, I think a lot of the foreigners have equal justification to be seeded. Still though, None of those said foreigners I believe are Code S calibur, including naniwa.
Jinro and SaSe haven't performed at Naniwa's level in foreign events ever. I don't think they are equal to Naniwa.
The point is that foreign events should not be relevant at all here and there should not be any seeds at all. -_-
On March 12 2012 18:22 Zzoram wrote: Naniwa is the most deserving foreigner for Code S seed other than Stephano. Glad that there is no bad blood between GOM and Naniwa. Seems like time to leave that drama behind.
So what has stephano done since IPL 3 besides owning foreigners? I don't get why we still hype the shit out of stephano, yes he is by far the best european zerg, but in recent times he has not showed that he is actually able to compete with code s players.
Second place Assembly, 2-2 in Blizzard cup group including win against DRG who finished second there and won this GSL. And I need to ask, what has anyone not already in code S done since IPL besides owning foreigners? There hasn't been that many tournaments except for Assembly and MLG - Polt from Assembly as well as Huk and Naniwa from MLG are seeded already. Only thing remaining is IEM World Cup, which was heavily dominated by people who are already code S (and played very recently so they probably made the decisions for seeds before it was played). There's not a lot of people to choose from.
Puma's won NASL Season 2, finished second at Dreamhack Winter and IEM World Championships and finished 3rd at Assembly and IEM China in that time.
I did say there's not a lot of people to choose from, not that there wasn't anyone. Also at NASL he only basically defeated a bunch of foreigners, which according to Lorch didn't count. I think Dreamhack and NASL are "in the past" as far as GSL are concerned, because they would have garnered seeds for the previous GSL season and not this one. And IEM WC is too recent, seeds were determined before that.
On March 12 2012 18:22 Zzoram wrote: Naniwa is the most deserving foreigner for Code S seed other than Stephano. Glad that there is no bad blood between GOM and Naniwa. Seems like time to leave that drama behind.
So what has stephano done since IPL 3 besides owning foreigners? I don't get why we still hype the shit out of stephano, yes he is by far the best european zerg, but in recent times he has not showed that he is actually able to compete with code s players.
Second place Assembly, 2-2 in Blizzard cup group including win against DRG who finished second there and won this GSL. And I need to ask, what has anyone not already in code S done since IPL besides owning foreigners? There hasn't been that many tournaments except for Assembly and MLG - Polt from Assembly as well as Huk and Naniwa from MLG are seeded already. Only thing remaining is IEM World Cup, which was heavily dominated by people who are already code S (and played very recently so they probably made the decisions for seeds before it was played). There's not a lot of people to choose from.
Puma's won NASL Season 2, finished second at Dreamhack Winter and IEM World Championships and finished 3rd at Assembly and IEM China in that time.
I did say there's not a lot of people to choose from, not that there wasn't anyone. Also at NASL he only basically defeated a bunch of foreigners, which according to Lorch didn't count. I think Dreamhack and NASL are "in the past" as far as GSL are concerned, because they would have garnered seeds for the previous GSL season and not this one. And IEM WC is too recent, seeds were determined before that.
You can't backtrack now. You said what have they done since IPL3, and Puma has done a hell of a lot.
On March 13 2012 02:08 JiYan wrote: i feel bad for the foreigners who struggled to make it through code a prelims. Players like Jinro and Sase are probably angry and may have a right to be angry. Achievements aside, I think a lot of the foreigners have equal justification to be seeded. Still though, None of those said foreigners I believe are Code S calibur, including naniwa.
He beat leenock and nestea, what more does he have to do to be code s caliber TT
On March 13 2012 02:08 JiYan wrote: i feel bad for the foreigners who struggled to make it through code a prelims. Players like Jinro and Sase are probably angry and may have a right to be angry. Achievements aside, I think a lot of the foreigners have equal justification to be seeded. Still though, None of those said foreigners I believe are Code S calibur, including naniwa.
He beat leenock and nestea, what more does he have to do to be code s caliber TT
The people complaining about Naniwa's Code S seed seem to be forgetting that he already had this code S seed from MLG Providence until the probe incident, so it seems pretty fair that he get it back (he's done his penance).
On March 13 2012 02:08 JiYan wrote: i feel bad for the foreigners who struggled to make it through code a prelims. Players like Jinro and Sase are probably angry and may have a right to be angry. Achievements aside, I think a lot of the foreigners have equal justification to be seeded. Still though, None of those said foreigners I believe are Code S calibur, including naniwa.
Jinro and Haypro declined their spots, they wanna prove themselves. Plz learn before posting lol. Plus Jinro plays like shit recently and SaSe isn't any better than Nani
On March 12 2012 18:22 Zzoram wrote: Naniwa is the most deserving foreigner for Code S seed other than Stephano. Glad that there is no bad blood between GOM and Naniwa. Seems like time to leave that drama behind.
So what has stephano done since IPL 3 besides owning foreigners? I don't get why we still hype the shit out of stephano, yes he is by far the best european zerg, but in recent times he has not showed that he is actually able to compete with code s players.
Second place Assembly, 2-2 in Blizzard cup group including win against DRG who finished second there and won this GSL. And I need to ask, what has anyone not already in code S done since IPL besides owning foreigners? There hasn't been that many tournaments except for Assembly and MLG - Polt from Assembly as well as Huk and Naniwa from MLG are seeded already. Only thing remaining is IEM World Cup, which was heavily dominated by people who are already code S (and played very recently so they probably made the decisions for seeds before it was played). There's not a lot of people to choose from.
Puma's won NASL Season 2, finished second at Dreamhack Winter and IEM World Championships and finished 3rd at Assembly and IEM China in that time.
I did say there's not a lot of people to choose from, not that there wasn't anyone. Also at NASL he only basically defeated a bunch of foreigners, which according to Lorch didn't count. I think Dreamhack and NASL are "in the past" as far as GSL are concerned, because they would have garnered seeds for the previous GSL season and not this one. And IEM WC is too recent, seeds were determined before that.
You can't backtrack now. You said what have they done since IPL3, and Puma has done a hell of a lot.
I'm not backtracking, as I did say that there are not a lot of people to choose from. And no, other than owning foreigners, Puma hasn't done a hell of a lot. His run in NASL was almost completely against foreigners, IEM China was BEFORE IPL3, his run at Assembly was also almost completely against foreigners (before the third place match there was only Select). Like I said, they were unable to consider IEM WC. Only at Dreamhack did he have any meaningful Korean opposition. It's not "a hell of a lot".
On March 12 2012 18:22 Zzoram wrote: Naniwa is the most deserving foreigner for Code S seed other than Stephano. Glad that there is no bad blood between GOM and Naniwa. Seems like time to leave that drama behind.
So what has stephano done since IPL 3 besides owning foreigners? I don't get why we still hype the shit out of stephano, yes he is by far the best european zerg, but in recent times he has not showed that he is actually able to compete with code s players.
Second place Assembly, 2-2 in Blizzard cup group including win against DRG who finished second there and won this GSL. And I need to ask, what has anyone not already in code S done since IPL besides owning foreigners? There hasn't been that many tournaments except for Assembly and MLG - Polt from Assembly as well as Huk and Naniwa from MLG are seeded already. Only thing remaining is IEM World Cup, which was heavily dominated by people who are already code S (and played very recently so they probably made the decisions for seeds before it was played). There's not a lot of people to choose from.
Puma's won NASL Season 2, finished second at Dreamhack Winter and IEM World Championships and finished 3rd at Assembly and IEM China in that time.
I did say there's not a lot of people to choose from, not that there wasn't anyone. Also at NASL he only basically defeated a bunch of foreigners, which according to Lorch didn't count. I think Dreamhack and NASL are "in the past" as far as GSL are concerned, because they would have garnered seeds for the previous GSL season and not this one. And IEM WC is too recent, seeds were determined before that.
You can't backtrack now. You said what have they done since IPL3, and Puma has done a hell of a lot.
I'm not backtracking, as I did say that there are not a lot of people to choose from. And no, other than owning foreigners, Puma hasn't done a hell of a lot. His run in NASL was almost completely against foreigners, IEM China was BEFORE IPL3, his run at Assembly was also almost completely against foreigners (before the third place match there was only Select). Like I said, they were unable to consider IEM WC. Only at Dreamhack did he have any meaningful Korean opposition. It's not "a hell of a lot".
Wrong again.
Dreamhack Winter - Beat DRG, best Zerg in the world (Code S), also beat Genius (Code S finalists). NASL 2 - Beat Hero (Code S) IEM WC - Beat MMA, best Terran in the world (Code S), also beat JYP who is terrible vs Terran but still a Code S player. MLG Providence - Beat Losira (was Code S) MLG Orlando - Beat Polt (Code S).
So yeah you're completely wrong, Puma has beaten some ridiculously good players at foreign tournaments.
On March 13 2012 02:54 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: The people complaining about Naniwa's Code S seed seem to be forgetting that he already had this code S seed from MLG Providence until the probe incident, so it seems pretty fair that he get it back (he's done his penance).
Yep, the same way DRG, MMA and MC got theirs. It's only fair in my book. I really think Puma deserves a seed as well though, but I wont complain about neither Naniwa or Polt as they are both deserving.
On March 12 2012 18:22 Zzoram wrote: Naniwa is the most deserving foreigner for Code S seed other than Stephano. Glad that there is no bad blood between GOM and Naniwa. Seems like time to leave that drama behind.
So what has stephano done since IPL 3 besides owning foreigners? I don't get why we still hype the shit out of stephano, yes he is by far the best european zerg, but in recent times he has not showed that he is actually able to compete with code s players.
Second place Assembly, 2-2 in Blizzard cup group including win against DRG who finished second there and won this GSL. And I need to ask, what has anyone not already in code S done since IPL besides owning foreigners? There hasn't been that many tournaments except for Assembly and MLG - Polt from Assembly as well as Huk and Naniwa from MLG are seeded already. Only thing remaining is IEM World Cup, which was heavily dominated by people who are already code S (and played very recently so they probably made the decisions for seeds before it was played). There's not a lot of people to choose from.
Puma's won NASL Season 2, finished second at Dreamhack Winter and IEM World Championships and finished 3rd at Assembly and IEM China in that time.
I did say there's not a lot of people to choose from, not that there wasn't anyone. Also at NASL he only basically defeated a bunch of foreigners, which according to Lorch didn't count. I think Dreamhack and NASL are "in the past" as far as GSL are concerned, because they would have garnered seeds for the previous GSL season and not this one. And IEM WC is too recent, seeds were determined before that.
You can't backtrack now. You said what have they done since IPL3, and Puma has done a hell of a lot.
I'm not backtracking, as I did say that there are not a lot of people to choose from. And no, other than owning foreigners, Puma hasn't done a hell of a lot. His run in NASL was almost completely against foreigners, IEM China was BEFORE IPL3, his run at Assembly was also almost completely against foreigners (before the third place match there was only Select). Like I said, they were unable to consider IEM WC. Only at Dreamhack did he have any meaningful Korean opposition. It's not "a hell of a lot".
Wrong again.
Dreamhack Winter - Beat DRG, best Zerg in the world (Code S), also beat Genius (Code S finalists). NASL 2 - Beat Hero (Code S) IEM WC - Beat MMA, best Terran in the world (Code S), also beat JYP who is terrible vs Terran but still a Code S player. MLG Providence - Beat Losira (was Code S) MLG Orlando - Beat Polt (Code S).
So yeah you're completely wrong, Puma has beaten some ridiculously good players at foreign tournaments.
Double standards much? Why did he fail in code A? You asked this for Naniwa, why not ask for puma? You just hate some foreigners and try to show it publicly.
I really hope that Nani wins and proves all the haters wrong... Please dont lose and get knocked out like usual... really hope he shows he can go toe to toe constantly with the top Koreans!! Also reallyhope thatHuK gets back into Code S and stays there!!! Come on HuK!!
On March 12 2012 18:22 Zzoram wrote: Naniwa is the most deserving foreigner for Code S seed other than Stephano. Glad that there is no bad blood between GOM and Naniwa. Seems like time to leave that drama behind.
So what has stephano done since IPL 3 besides owning foreigners? I don't get why we still hype the shit out of stephano, yes he is by far the best european zerg, but in recent times he has not showed that he is actually able to compete with code s players.
Second place Assembly, 2-2 in Blizzard cup group including win against DRG who finished second there and won this GSL. And I need to ask, what has anyone not already in code S done since IPL besides owning foreigners? There hasn't been that many tournaments except for Assembly and MLG - Polt from Assembly as well as Huk and Naniwa from MLG are seeded already. Only thing remaining is IEM World Cup, which was heavily dominated by people who are already code S (and played very recently so they probably made the decisions for seeds before it was played). There's not a lot of people to choose from.
Puma's won NASL Season 2, finished second at Dreamhack Winter and IEM World Championships and finished 3rd at Assembly and IEM China in that time.
I did say there's not a lot of people to choose from, not that there wasn't anyone. Also at NASL he only basically defeated a bunch of foreigners, which according to Lorch didn't count. I think Dreamhack and NASL are "in the past" as far as GSL are concerned, because they would have garnered seeds for the previous GSL season and not this one. And IEM WC is too recent, seeds were determined before that.
You can't backtrack now. You said what have they done since IPL3, and Puma has done a hell of a lot.
I'm not backtracking, as I did say that there are not a lot of people to choose from. And no, other than owning foreigners, Puma hasn't done a hell of a lot. His run in NASL was almost completely against foreigners, IEM China was BEFORE IPL3, his run at Assembly was also almost completely against foreigners (before the third place match there was only Select). Like I said, they were unable to consider IEM WC. Only at Dreamhack did he have any meaningful Korean opposition. It's not "a hell of a lot".
Wrong again.
Dreamhack Winter - Beat DRG, best Zerg in the world (Code S), also beat Genius (Code S finalists). NASL 2 - Beat Hero (Code S) IEM WC - Beat MMA, best Terran in the world (Code S), also beat JYP who is terrible vs Terran but still a Code S player. MLG Providence - Beat Losira (was Code S) MLG Orlando - Beat Polt (Code S).
So yeah you're completely wrong, Puma has beaten some ridiculously good players at foreign tournaments.
Double standards much? Why did he fail in code A? You asked this for Naniwa, why not ask for puma? You just hate some foreigners and try to show it publicly.
You need to stop jumping to conclusions. I don't think any players should ever be invited to Code S.
But if they're going to invite players then:
1. Polt 2. Violet 3. Puma 4. Stephano 5. Huk
Is the correct list.
And I assume Stephano was invited but declined and Violet would decline as well but probably wasn't invited.
hope Puma gets invited in the next code s... his overseas achievements are quite extraordinary, if they are giving code s slots for overseas wins then he definitely deserves one.
On March 13 2012 02:59 meltingmykohchoo wrote: What happened to Losira? Havent seen him in anything recently
He didn't make it through the qualifiers and he is not active in small online tournaments. He seems to be alternating weeks of absolute ladder-beasting to weeks of "meh-where-is-this-guy-ness".
On March 13 2012 04:05 Gackt_ wrote: This is the 4th time Naniwa get the chance without even going through the Code A qualifiers. Lol? This is stupid imo.
Edit:
good thingy about Polt.
well one time he had it taken awayfrom him and then because of the circumstances he never retried getting through code a because of shitstorm, tis time he didnt enter because he probably already knew he had the code s spot... and the previous two times he got to code a by being one of the highest placed foreigners in MLG.... so this is his first actual invite from GOM where he hasnt earned it...
If Naniwa can do well in code S and against Stephano in their 10k showmatch he could come out as the undisputed best foreigner in the world in the next months. Of course if he fails at both he could lose any right to claim that title.
glgl Naniwa! I want to see another foreigner do well in code S.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
NesTea has said that he always does terrible at foreign events becuase he has terrible trime trying to get any sleep and MvP has had wrist problems and Leenock is now in Code A
i wonder if Naniwa immediately falls out of Code S to Code A then to code B if people will stop giving IdrA so much flack
On March 13 2012 04:18 Forikorder wrote: NesTea has said that he always does terrible at foreign events becuase he has terrible trime trying to get any sleep flack
You know, Naniwa was on the exact same flight as NesTea to MLG... and they both live in the same city in korea (as you know)..... so that is such a false fact why NesTea would lose to Nani.
On March 13 2012 04:18 Forikorder wrote: NesTea has said that he always does terrible at foreign events becuase he has terrible trime trying to get any sleep flack
You know, Naniwa was on the exact same flight as NesTea to MLG... and they both live in the same city in korea (as you know)..... so that is such a false fact why NesTea would lose to Nani.
So? People are different. Nestea might get jet lagged easier than Naniwa does.
On March 13 2012 04:18 Forikorder wrote: NesTea has said that he always does terrible at foreign events becuase he has terrible trime trying to get any sleep flack
You know, Naniwa was on the exact same flight as NesTea to MLG... and they both live in the same city in korea (as you know)..... so that is such a false fact why NesTea would lose to Nani.
It's almost like people deal with travel and jet lag differently or something.
Things starting off well for Zergs with BboongBboongPrime getting Code S. And as of right now we've got only one fewer Toss than Terran, which not that long ago would've been crazy to imagine
Then he paid his dues, so I have no problem with him getting seeded. In fact, I support it despite disliking Naniwa as a playing. Congrats to GOM for making the right decision and good luck to Naniwa in Code S. Please advance at least once, for us non-Koreans!!!
On March 12 2012 18:09 theteam wrote: the zerg count is so low
I am sure the up and down matches will alter that slightly
More Protoss and Terrans will come from up and downs than Zerg. At best there will be 7, more likely 6 Zergs in Code S this season, against a field of Protoss and Terran when all is said and done..
I hope that NaNiwa has matured--I'm sure he'll act more maturely, but I hope that he's actually grown from his experience. It seems that GOM is willing to forgive, so let's hope to see NaNi and NesTea clash in the finals of GSL 2012 Season 2!
On March 13 2012 04:43 Viperbird wrote: Why is it again that Stephano won't play in Code S? Has this been mentioned already? Is there a thread about it somewhere?
He's more interesting in winning weekend online tournaments than testing his skills vs the best in the world.
On March 13 2012 04:43 Viperbird wrote: Why is it again that Stephano won't play in Code S? Has this been mentioned already? Is there a thread about it somewhere?
He's more interesting in money than testing his skills.
On March 13 2012 04:48 KevinIX wrote: Why did Polt get a seed? Isn't he Korean? It might have been better to give it to HuK and give Polt the Up and Downs.
The code s seeds are for everyone, not just foreigners, and it's more fair like that
On March 13 2012 04:48 KevinIX wrote: Why did Polt get a seed? Isn't he Korean? It might have been better to give it to HuK and give Polt the Up and Downs.
The code s seeds are for everyone, not just foreigners, and it's more fair like that
I meant like in terms of foreign viewers, more people are more likely to buy a pass to see HuK and Naniwa over just Naniwa and Polt.
On March 13 2012 04:51 FinalForm wrote: Why would Stephano test his skills against the best in the world when he can have $5000 showmatches thrown at him
On March 13 2012 04:53 Sleed wrote: Was a waste of seed to give the spot to NaNiwa. He is a good foreigner but he miserably failed in Code A. Why not try someone else?
Because he is probably the best foreign protoss atm.
On March 13 2012 04:48 KevinIX wrote: Why did Polt get a seed? Isn't he Korean? It might have been better to give it to HuK and give Polt the Up and Downs.
The code s seeds are for everyone, not just foreigners, and it's more fair like that
I meant like in terms of foreign viewers, more people are more likely to buy a pass to see HuK and Naniwa over just Naniwa and Polt.
Then they should just invite all of Liquid, Mouz, EG + Stephano, Catz, Destiny, Grubby and HD Starcraft to play vs Boxer, MVP, MMA, MC, Nada, Nestea and DRG every few months.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
MMA got seeded with a 7-6 record in Code A. It's not a very good indicator on whether or not you deserve to be in Code S. Naniwa is 0-6 in Code A but the first 2 losses came right after he got off a plane and had just gotten to Korea. And the other 4 losses came to Lucky who most consider to have a top 2 ZvP in Korea.
WTF since when was Lucky considered to have a TOP 2 ZvP in Kr??
I have a question. Why is Huk in these up & down matches while Idra is not? I thought they both lost in the first round of Code A last season. Did Idra decide not to participate...or am I misunderstanding something about the GSL format?
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
MMA got seeded with a 7-6 record in Code A. It's not a very good indicator on whether or not you deserve to be in Code S. Naniwa is 0-6 in Code A but the first 2 losses came right after he got off a plane and had just gotten to Korea. And the other 4 losses came to Lucky who most consider to have a top 2 ZvP in Korea.
WTF since when was Lucky considered to have a TOP 2 ZvP in Kr??
Since it became convenient to excuse Naniwa's poor play in Code A.
On March 13 2012 05:11 NinjaTrout wrote: I have a question. Why is Huk in these up & down matches while Idra is not? I thought they both lost in the first round of Code A last season. Did Idra decide not to participate...or am I misunderstanding something about the GSL format?
huk got seeded to code s up and down by an out-of-gsl seed
but idra fell out of code s into code a. then he fell out of code a, into code b. so hes out of gsl
Code S STACKED like always. Maybe with a few particular players out (COUGH, INCA) whose high APM is marred by some of the simplest platinum level mistakes in management, maybe I'll have a reason to buy a HQ ticket this season...
On March 13 2012 04:18 Forikorder wrote: NesTea has said that he always does terrible at foreign events becuase he has terrible trime trying to get any sleep flack
You know, Naniwa was on the exact same flight as NesTea to MLG... and they both live in the same city in korea (as you know)..... so that is such a false fact why NesTea would lose to Nani.
Some people adept to that kind of stuff way better then others tough.
On March 13 2012 04:53 Sleed wrote: Was a waste of seed to give the spot to NaNiwa. He is a good foreigner but he miserably failed in Code A. Why not try someone else?
2nd at Providence. He had basically earned a spot, and was going to get one, when GSL pulled it for his probe rush and announced that their format had changed and he had not been given the spot at all. It was basically a 1 season suspension for Naniwa.
On March 13 2012 04:18 Forikorder wrote: NesTea has said that he always does terrible at foreign events becuase he has terrible trime trying to get any sleep flack
You know, Naniwa was on the exact same flight as NesTea to MLG... and they both live in the same city in korea (as you know)..... so that is such a false fact why NesTea would lose to Nani.
Some people adept to that kind of stuff way better then others tough.
This. I'm the only person who is normal after a plane flight. Everyone else in my family is dead exhausted, even my friends are the same way. I can get off a plane and am ready to go, most people can't.
On March 13 2012 04:18 Forikorder wrote: NesTea has said that he always does terrible at foreign events becuase he has terrible trime trying to get any sleep flack
You know, Naniwa was on the exact same flight as NesTea to MLG... and they both live in the same city in korea (as you know)..... so that is such a false fact why NesTea would lose to Nani.
Some people adept to that kind of stuff way better then others tough.
This. I'm the only person who is normal after a plane flight. Everyone else in my family is dead exhausted, even my friends are the same way. I can get off a plane and am ready to go, most people can't.
Even so, jet lag is part of an international gamer's hurdles, and one that can't deal with it, won't be effective internationally.
On March 13 2012 04:51 FinalForm wrote: Why would Stephano test his skills against the best in the world when he can have $5000 showmatches thrown at him
Because when you're the best you make a hell of a lot more money than Stephano has.
Stephano has also been around the game a lot less time, as far as I know, than the other tip top winners (MMA, MC, MVP, who were all names to watch from the beginning.)
On March 13 2012 04:51 FinalForm wrote: Why would Stephano test his skills against the best in the world when he can have $5000 showmatches thrown at him
Because when you're the best you make a hell of a lot more money than Stephano has.
Stephano has also been around the game a lot less time, as far as I know, than the other tip top winners (MMA, MC, MVP, who were all names to watch from the beginning.)
He's been playing for a long time, but became full-time after MMA/MC/MVP.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
why rofl ? he was expecting in the last but did this drone rush, after his last performence no one i think doubt he wouldnt get a seed beating 2/3 of the best zergs in the world in the row is one of the best on every mlg etc
Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
I don`t like that this decision was made before the Up and Down matches. What if MKP drops out? Yet he won MLG arena defeating a guy who is going to take the free seed(Naniwa) as well as other amazing players(DRG). Seems strange to me.
On March 13 2012 06:35 mango_destroyer wrote: I don`t like that this decision was made before the Up and Down matches. What if MKP drops out? Yet he won MLG arena defeating a guy who is going to take the free seed(Naniwa) as well as other amazing players(DRG). Seems strange to me.
He would still have been in GSL. Seeds are only giving to people outside of the GSL, right?
On March 13 2012 04:51 FinalForm wrote: Why would Stephano test his skills against the best in the world when he can have $5000 showmatches thrown at him
Because when you're the best you make a hell of a lot more money than Stephano has.
Stephano has also been around the game a lot less time, as far as I know, than the other tip top winners (MMA, MC, MVP, who were all names to watch from the beginning.)
Nah Stephano's been around forever he just got good later. MVP wasn't playing in beta I don't think, don't think MC was either. MMA became known even later than Stephano.
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
He only beat Mvp once...
but regardless no one can seriously believe he's in the top five in the world.
On March 12 2012 18:22 Zzoram wrote: Naniwa is the most deserving foreigner for Code S seed other than Stephano. Glad that there is no bad blood between GOM and Naniwa. Seems like time to leave that drama behind.
So what has stephano done since IPL 3 besides owning foreigners? I don't get why we still hype the shit out of stephano, yes he is by far the best european zerg, but in recent times he has not showed that he is actually able to compete with code s players.
Second place Assembly, 2-2 in Blizzard cup group including win against DRG who finished second there and won this GSL. And I need to ask, what has anyone not already in code S done since IPL besides owning foreigners? There hasn't been that many tournaments except for Assembly and MLG - Polt from Assembly as well as Huk and Naniwa from MLG are seeded already. Only thing remaining is IEM World Cup, which was heavily dominated by people who are already code S (and played very recently so they probably made the decisions for seeds before it was played). There's not a lot of people to choose from.
Puma's won NASL Season 2, finished second at Dreamhack Winter and IEM World Championships and finished 3rd at Assembly and IEM China in that time.
I did say there's not a lot of people to choose from, not that there wasn't anyone. Also at NASL he only basically defeated a bunch of foreigners, which according to Lorch didn't count. I think Dreamhack and NASL are "in the past" as far as GSL are concerned, because they would have garnered seeds for the previous GSL season and not this one. And IEM WC is too recent, seeds were determined before that.
You can't backtrack now. You said what have they done since IPL3, and Puma has done a hell of a lot.
I'm not backtracking, as I did say that there are not a lot of people to choose from. And no, other than owning foreigners, Puma hasn't done a hell of a lot. His run in NASL was almost completely against foreigners, IEM China was BEFORE IPL3, his run at Assembly was also almost completely against foreigners (before the third place match there was only Select). Like I said, they were unable to consider IEM WC. Only at Dreamhack did he have any meaningful Korean opposition. It's not "a hell of a lot".
Wrong again.
Dreamhack Winter - Beat DRG, best Zerg in the world (Code S), also beat Genius (Code S finalists). NASL 2 - Beat Hero (Code S) IEM WC - Beat MMA, best Terran in the world (Code S), also beat JYP who is terrible vs Terran but still a Code S player. MLG Providence - Beat Losira (was Code S) MLG Orlando - Beat Polt (Code S).
So yeah you're completely wrong, Puma has beaten some ridiculously good players at foreign tournaments.
Man you just don't give up, do you?
Like I already said! Dreamhack - Only good point you have. NASL - One single Korean, who was low code A at the time. IEM WC - Too recent. Get it through your head. MLG Providence - Losira was code A at the time, and dropped out of it right after. MLG Orlando - Polt dropped out of code S immediately after, and then out of code A right after that.
So yeah you're completely wrong. And I am completely right in what I said from the start. This is the last of my time I'll waste on you. If you still don't understand why what I said from the start was correct, then you are just too dumb to get it and I can't help you.
On March 13 2012 06:15 CoR wrote: think about nestea choosing naniwa for his group ^^
While that would be a lot of drama, it would be foolish. Nestea vs Naniwa is an epic battle that should be held later in the tournament. Also, Naniwa has Nestea's number, and every time a player picks a rival instead of the easiest remaining opponent for their group, they lose.
On March 13 2012 06:15 CoR wrote: think about nestea choosing naniwa for his group ^^
While that would be a lot of drama, it would be foolish. Nestea vs Naniwa is an epic battle that should be held later in the tournament. Also, Naniwa has Nestea's number, and every time a player picks a rival instead of the easiest remaining opponent for their group, they lose.
On March 12 2012 18:22 Zzoram wrote: Naniwa is the most deserving foreigner for Code S seed other than Stephano. Glad that there is no bad blood between GOM and Naniwa. Seems like time to leave that drama behind.
So what has stephano done since IPL 3 besides owning foreigners? I don't get why we still hype the shit out of stephano, yes he is by far the best european zerg, but in recent times he has not showed that he is actually able to compete with code s players.
Second place Assembly, 2-2 in Blizzard cup group including win against DRG who finished second there and won this GSL. And I need to ask, what has anyone not already in code S done since IPL besides owning foreigners? There hasn't been that many tournaments except for Assembly and MLG - Polt from Assembly as well as Huk and Naniwa from MLG are seeded already. Only thing remaining is IEM World Cup, which was heavily dominated by people who are already code S (and played very recently so they probably made the decisions for seeds before it was played). There's not a lot of people to choose from.
Puma's won NASL Season 2, finished second at Dreamhack Winter and IEM World Championships and finished 3rd at Assembly and IEM China in that time.
I did say there's not a lot of people to choose from, not that there wasn't anyone. Also at NASL he only basically defeated a bunch of foreigners, which according to Lorch didn't count. I think Dreamhack and NASL are "in the past" as far as GSL are concerned, because they would have garnered seeds for the previous GSL season and not this one. And IEM WC is too recent, seeds were determined before that.
You can't backtrack now. You said what have they done since IPL3, and Puma has done a hell of a lot.
I'm not backtracking, as I did say that there are not a lot of people to choose from. And no, other than owning foreigners, Puma hasn't done a hell of a lot. His run in NASL was almost completely against foreigners, IEM China was BEFORE IPL3, his run at Assembly was also almost completely against foreigners (before the third place match there was only Select). Like I said, they were unable to consider IEM WC. Only at Dreamhack did he have any meaningful Korean opposition. It's not "a hell of a lot".
Wrong again.
Dreamhack Winter - Beat DRG, best Zerg in the world (Code S), also beat Genius (Code S finalists). NASL 2 - Beat Hero (Code S) IEM WC - Beat MMA, best Terran in the world (Code S), also beat JYP who is terrible vs Terran but still a Code S player. MLG Providence - Beat Losira (was Code S) MLG Orlando - Beat Polt (Code S).
So yeah you're completely wrong, Puma has beaten some ridiculously good players at foreign tournaments.
Man you just don't give up, do you?
Like I already said! Dreamhack - Only good point you have. NASL - One single Korean, who was low code A at the time. IEM WC - Too recent. Get it through your head. MLG Providence - Losira was code A at the time, and dropped out of it right after. MLG Orlando - Polt dropped out of code S immediately after, and then out of code A right after that.
So yeah you're completely wrong. And I am completely right in what I said from the start. This is the last of my time I'll waste on you. If you still don't understand why what I said from the start was correct, then you are just too dumb to get it and I can't help you.
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
naniwa is probably the best foreigner at the moment, he is without a doubt the best foreigner in korea.. so if a foreigner should get a seed.. it should be him. i dont see why it matters that he has lacked success in past attempts. to give the seed to a worse player like haypro, desrow or diestar wouldnt exactly be better
no, ofcourse you can argue that there shouldnt be international seeds at all, but thats a different question, and if thats what youre getting at say that so theres no confusion
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Well I think a lot of people think Nestea isn't even top 5 in the world right now. And the BoX series Naniwa won against Mvp we all can agree Mvp didn't really care AND TvP is Mvp's worst matchup. While Nani is great and everything...top 5 in the world is the biggest lie anyone can tell. Hell Mvp might not even be top 5 right now. Nani MAY be the best foreigner, but he and Stephano have a while to go before they are DRG and MMA level. A lot of people believe Nani isn't even top 5 Toss right now...MC, PartinG, Oz, Genius, Puzzle? idk but the point is...Nani isn't top 5 or top 10 in the world right now. His style is very scary though, I will give him that.
Niceee, love seeing Polt finally get some recognition for his achievements recently. Hmmm, not too sure about the Naniwa choice, seeing as he does have an eight percent win-rate in GSL, but he has been doing pretty well recently, so I guess it is pretty justified. But in general, I do have a gripe with sending players straight to Code S, I prefer seeing them work their way through Code A, then showing off their abilities and gradually go into Code S.
On March 13 2012 08:44 PhoenixVoid wrote: Niceee, love seeing Polt finally get some recognition for his achievements recently. Hmmm, not too sure about the Naniwa choice, seeing as he does have an eight percent win-rate in GSL, but he has been doing pretty well recently, so I guess it is pretty justified. But in general, I do have a gripe with sending players straight to Code S, I prefer seeing them work their way through Code A, then showing off their abilities and gradually go into Code S.
I can't for the life of me figure out why so many foreigners want to see as few non-koreans in the GSL as possible. I'm not a big fan of Idra or Huk normally, but in the GSL I've always been their biggest fan, The same people never say much when Koreans get seeded into code S for some reason.
Who deserves Code S of the foreign players if Naniwa doesn't? Seriously, Naniwa is more than deserving of a Code-S spot. Now its up to him to keep it or show good results even. Gl there!
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
There is no way on earth Naniwa will win Code S. If he actually gets out of his group that will be an exceptional performance for him given he prepares really badly for series (he almost always does the same thing no matter what and doesn't play the player he plays the race), Code S is ridiculously hard now and he has an atrocious record in Korea.
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
Which foreigner would you seed instead? He can clearly go toe to toe with the best the world has to offer, but more importantly he's living in Korea. GOM have to seed someone who will actually play next season, which for the most part means they need to be living in Korea. They can't seed huk or idra after they both got rofl stomped out of code s and into code b. Sen has forfeited his spot next season, Jinro refuses the seed for pride reasons, so you're left with sase, naniwa and who? They want a foreigner hope in there, but can't seed the usual suspects due to their terrible performance last season, so what else can they do apart from seed naniwa?
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
Which foreigner would you seed instead? He can clearly go toe to toe with the best the world has to offer, but more importantly he's living in Korea. GOM have to seed someone who will actually play next season, which for the most part means they need to be living in Korea. They can't seed huk or idra after they both got rofl stomped out of code s and into code b. Sen has forfeited his spot next season, Jinro refuses the seed for pride reasons, so you're left with sase, naniwa and who? They want a foreigner hope in there, but can't seed the usual suspects due to their terrible performance last season, so what else can they do apart from seed naniwa?
They shouldn't seed anyone. If you limit yourself to foreingers living in Korea who didn't just drop out of Code S and would accept the spot then yes Naniwa is the best choice...
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
Which foreigner would you seed instead? He can clearly go toe to toe with the best the world has to offer, but more importantly he's living in Korea. GOM have to seed someone who will actually play next season, which for the most part means they need to be living in Korea. They can't seed huk or idra after they both got rofl stomped out of code s and into code b. Sen has forfeited his spot next season, Jinro refuses the seed for pride reasons, so you're left with sase, naniwa and who? They want a foreigner hope in there, but can't seed the usual suspects due to their terrible performance last season, so what else can they do apart from seed naniwa?
They shouldn't seed anyone. If you limit yourself to foreingers living in Korea who didn't just drop out of Code S and would accept the spot then yes Naniwa is the best choice...
They have to seed 2 people. That's their format. They don't have a choice. Like it or not, someone has to get the spot, and there aren't that many players to pick from. Puma might be a good choice. He did well at IEM:WC. But honestly, Korean ot non-Korean there aren't a lot of good picks apart from Polt who are available for next season.
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
Which foreigner would you seed instead? He can clearly go toe to toe with the best the world has to offer, but more importantly he's living in Korea. GOM have to seed someone who will actually play next season, which for the most part means they need to be living in Korea. They can't seed huk or idra after they both got rofl stomped out of code s and into code b. Sen has forfeited his spot next season, Jinro refuses the seed for pride reasons, so you're left with sase, naniwa and who? They want a foreigner hope in there, but can't seed the usual suspects due to their terrible performance last season, so what else can they do apart from seed naniwa?
They shouldn't seed anyone. If you limit yourself to foreingers living in Korea who didn't just drop out of Code S and would accept the spot then yes Naniwa is the best choice...
They have to seed 2 people. That's their format. They don't have a choice. Like it or not, someone has to get the spot, and there aren't that many players to pick from. Puma might be a good choice. He did well at IEM:WC. But honestly, Korean ot non-Korean there aren't a lot of good picks apart from Polt who are available for next season.
Puma and Violet have done more between the start of Season 1 and now than Naniwa.
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
Which foreigner would you seed instead? He can clearly go toe to toe with the best the world has to offer, but more importantly he's living in Korea. GOM have to seed someone who will actually play next season, which for the most part means they need to be living in Korea. They can't seed huk or idra after they both got rofl stomped out of code s and into code b. Sen has forfeited his spot next season, Jinro refuses the seed for pride reasons, so you're left with sase, naniwa and who? They want a foreigner hope in there, but can't seed the usual suspects due to their terrible performance last season, so what else can they do apart from seed naniwa?
They shouldn't seed anyone. If you limit yourself to foreingers living in Korea who didn't just drop out of Code S and would accept the spot then yes Naniwa is the best choice...
They have to seed 2 people. That's their format. They don't have a choice. Like it or not, someone has to get the spot, and there aren't that many players to pick from. Puma might be a good choice. He did well at IEM:WC. But honestly, Korean ot non-Korean there aren't a lot of good picks apart from Polt who are available for next season.
Puma and Violet have done more between the start of Season 1 and now than Naniwa.
I'd argue Huk has too.
My vote would actually goto Huk, but I can understand their reluctance to re-seed him back to code s after getting shunted strait to code B I expect him to be seeded back into S next season if he does well at MLG
Puma and Violet would both be good picks, but neither would draw as much foreigner interest as Naniwa.
On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote: [quote] Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
Which foreigner would you seed instead? He can clearly go toe to toe with the best the world has to offer, but more importantly he's living in Korea. GOM have to seed someone who will actually play next season, which for the most part means they need to be living in Korea. They can't seed huk or idra after they both got rofl stomped out of code s and into code b. Sen has forfeited his spot next season, Jinro refuses the seed for pride reasons, so you're left with sase, naniwa and who? They want a foreigner hope in there, but can't seed the usual suspects due to their terrible performance last season, so what else can they do apart from seed naniwa?
They shouldn't seed anyone. If you limit yourself to foreingers living in Korea who didn't just drop out of Code S and would accept the spot then yes Naniwa is the best choice...
They have to seed 2 people. That's their format. They don't have a choice. Like it or not, someone has to get the spot, and there aren't that many players to pick from. Puma might be a good choice. He did well at IEM:WC. But honestly, Korean ot non-Korean there aren't a lot of good picks apart from Polt who are available for next season.
Puma and Violet have done more between the start of Season 1 and now than Naniwa.
I'd argue Huk has too.
My vote would actually goto Huk, but I can understand their reluctance to re-seed him back to code s after getting shunted strait to code B I expect him to be seeded back into S next season if he does well at MLG
Puma and Violet would both be good picks, but neither would draw as much foreigner interest as Naniwa.
Hes already seeded into the up/downs in a pretty good group so it wouldnt be a shock for him to make it back into code S.
For people asking about Stephano, he'll have Code S the moment he wants it. But he's supposedly shown no interest in going to Korea, and given how good he is where he's at I think its the right call for now.
Other than Stephano, is there any other foreigner more deserving than Naniwa? Huk is already in up and downs so prolly cant be seeded for that reason. Nobody else springs to mind, I guess Violet but Naniwa has comprable results and will draw more attention just for being who he is.
Does Puma want Code S? Cuz if he does I'd think they'd seed him, maybe the way he left TSL still leaves a bitter taste for some people.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
Polt and Naniwa were the logical choices with Stephano not willing to participate in GSL. Like it or not, foreigners generate interest.
I don't mind it, I just don't think you should be getting a seed into the best league around if your record in it (predominantly in the lower part of that league) is 1-12.
Naniwa is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners, even if he did terrible in Code A in the past.
Naniwa beat Nestea in 3/3 series, MVP in 1/1, and Leenock in 1/2. Those Koreans are no slouches and beating them proves he's the toughest foreigner. His results against Koreans is better than even Stephano and Huk.
As loathe as I am to admit it, Huk is the most consistent Korean killer of all the foreigners.
I just don't like that you can get absolutely destroyed over and over again in the GSL and then on the back of a good weekend where you win two 2-1 series at another event you somehow get promoted to Code S.
You might be surprised then if Naniwa shows better play than HuK in Code S. Plus HuK has his up and down matches to worry about. It'll be interesting if he joins Naniwa in Code S.
I honestly think Naniwa has much more potential than HuK, but is really stubborn with his builds.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
wouldnt worry about it too much. Another quick 0-2 into code A into a 0-2 into Code irrelevant. But boy that one day when he plays, GOM TV is going to have a lot of bandwith usage.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
wouldnt worry about it too much. Another quick 0-2 into code A into a 0-2 into Code irrelevant. But boy that one day when he plays, GOM TV is going to have a lot of bandwith usage.
think of how many more season tickets they might sell just for including him. That's basically the point. They don't really care how he does. They would fucking love for him to keep winning because that would mean he would be around for more seasons and generate more revenue but they arent inviting him with the idea that he's going to be a Code S champion. A lot of people are doubting him, as have I at times, but sc2 is volatile enough that Naniwa might just surprise us all and end up winning some series or at least making them close. I wish him the best of luck. This is a great opportunity for him
For every round Naniwa advances i'll buy a season ticket for a naniwa fan. and you guys can hold me to it! i only do this because he won't get out of groups. i doubt he'll win a game.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
wouldnt worry about it too much. Another quick 0-2 into code A into a 0-2 into Code irrelevant. But boy that one day when he plays, GOM TV is going to have a lot of bandwith usage.
think of how many more season tickets they might sell just for including him. That's basically the point. They don't really care how he does. They would fucking love for him to keep winning because that would mean he would be around for more seasons and generate more revenue but they arent inviting him with the idea that he's going to be a Code S champion. A lot of people are doubting him, as have I at times, but sc2 is volatile enough that Naniwa might just surprise us all and end up winning some series or at least making them close. I wish him the best of luck. This is a great opportunity for him
Yes, I understand that having a controversial white face in GSL is a huge marketing move and is pretty smart on their part. It will be even smarter to 'accidentally' seed Naniwa into Nestea's group too.
On March 13 2012 09:46 MajorityofOne wrote: For people asking about Stephano, he'll have Code S the moment he wants it. But he's supposedly shown no interest in going to Korea, and given how good he is where he's at I think its the right call for now.
Other than Stephano, is there any other foreigner more deserving than Naniwa? Huk is already in up and downs so prolly cant be seeded for that reason. Nobody else springs to mind, I guess Violet but Naniwa has comprable results and will draw more attention just for being who he is.
Does Puma want Code S? Cuz if he does I'd think they'd seed him, maybe the way he left TSL still leaves a bitter taste for some people.
Puma canceled his participation to homestory cup 4 in order to participate in code A qualifier. So yes, I think it's safe to assume he really wants it.
IMO, Naniwa is probably the second best foreign player in the world right now (just behind Stephano), so I'm fine with him getting the spot.
Polt is a beast and just came off of an impressive tournament win over Stephano, so there's nothing controversial about his seeding.
After these seedings, I would say that aside from arguably Stephano (who doesn't want to go to Korea), Puma is now the best player in the world without a Code S spot. He's always among the top favorites at any tournament he enters, regardless of how many top Korean Code S players he must face. Is there a good reason why he's been snubbed from both the Code S seedings and the up/down's? He's got more impressive results than anyone in the up/down groups other than Leenock, arguably.
On March 13 2012 10:21 CPTBadAss wrote: NANIWA!!! In my dreams, It's Nani vs Huk in the finals hahaha.
It will be a sad day indeed when we have a PvP Code S Finals. That awful Code A final where the 4 gating player won every game was bad enough.
I would prefer that the Code S semi-finals be seeded such to avoid the risk of a mirror match finals, if possible. Of course, the only way to do this would be to purposefully make at least one of the semi-finals a mirror match, which sucks. But it would be way better for the size of the live (and streaming) audience that would attend the finals.
On March 13 2012 10:30 Zinthar wrote: IMO, Naniwa is probably the second best foreign player in the world right now (just behind Stephano), so I'm fine with him getting the spot.
Yep, I think so, too. He's one of the few foreigners I'd like to see in Code S, so let's see how he'll finally do... I'd still be surprised if he advanced, though.
On March 13 2012 10:21 CPTBadAss wrote: NANIWA!!! In my dreams, It's Nani vs Huk in the finals hahaha.
It will be a sad day indeed when we have a PvP Code S Finals. That awful Code A final where the 4 gating player won every game was bad enough.
I would prefer that the Code S semi-finals be seeded such to avoid the risk of a mirror match finals, if possible. Of course, the only way to do this would be to purposefully make at least one of the semi-finals a mirror match, which sucks. But it would be way better for the size of the live (and streaming) audience that would attend the finals.
You can't do that, this is a serious competition.
I think TvT and ZvZ are both plenty watchable, it's just PvP which is awful. I'm sure eventually we'll get a PvP finals but hopefully not for a while and not often. But when we do you just have to suck it up.
On March 13 2012 10:21 CPTBadAss wrote: NANIWA!!! In my dreams, It's Nani vs Huk in the finals hahaha.
It will be a sad day indeed when we have a PvP Code S Finals. That awful Code A final where the 4 gating player won every game was bad enough.
It would be the most watched finals ever though. And not all PvP matches are boring. Also the 4 gate doesn't work great anymore so it couldn't be all bad
On March 13 2012 11:16 Jonoman92 wrote: What is GOMs justification for Naniwa being up there I wonder? "We acknowledge we f'd up," or what?
Glad it happened though, I feel he was sorely cheated last season.
They didn't F up. They made the right choice now and since he has reacted to it very well he is being given another chance at code S due to results that are near the top in non GSL tourneys. The only people with better ones being people like Puma, and arguably Violet(always performs well outside GSL) and Huk.
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
wouldnt worry about it too much. Another quick 0-2 into code A into a 0-2 into Code irrelevant. But boy that one day when he plays, GOM TV is going to have a lot of bandwith usage.
think of how many more season tickets they might sell just for including him. That's basically the point. They don't really care how he does. They would fucking love for him to keep winning because that would mean he would be around for more seasons and generate more revenue but they arent inviting him with the idea that he's going to be a Code S champion. A lot of people are doubting him, as have I at times, but sc2 is volatile enough that Naniwa might just surprise us all and end up winning some series or at least making them close. I wish him the best of luck. This is a great opportunity for him
Yes, I understand that having a controversial white face in GSL is a huge marketing move and is pretty smart on their part. It will be even smarter to 'accidentally' seed Naniwa into Nestea's group too.
It would definitely generate hype but if they were actually doing stuff like that we probably would have seen IdrA "accidentally" seeded into MMA or MC's group because of the MLG stuff
On March 12 2012 18:04 Asha` wrote: rofl Naniwa getting seeded to Code S =/
wouldnt worry about it too much. Another quick 0-2 into code A into a 0-2 into Code irrelevant. But boy that one day when he plays, GOM TV is going to have a lot of bandwith usage.
think of how many more season tickets they might sell just for including him. That's basically the point. They don't really care how he does. They would fucking love for him to keep winning because that would mean he would be around for more seasons and generate more revenue but they arent inviting him with the idea that he's going to be a Code S champion. A lot of people are doubting him, as have I at times, but sc2 is volatile enough that Naniwa might just surprise us all and end up winning some series or at least making them close. I wish him the best of luck. This is a great opportunity for him
Yes, I understand that having a controversial white face in GSL is a huge marketing move and is pretty smart on their part. It will be even smarter to 'accidentally' seed Naniwa into Nestea's group too.
It would definitely generate hype but if they were actually doing stuff like that we probably would have seen IdrA "accidentally" seeded into MMA or MC's group because of the MLG stuff
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE.
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE.
Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack.
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE.
Not at all, not sure if you understand. How many players beat Mvp and Nestea and Drg? Unless it is everyone in Code S/A/B then this argument cannot be made for ANY ONE.
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE.
Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack.
You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE.
Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack.
You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not
He just beat nestea and leenock in MLG winter arena. Instead of just saying "any Code A/B korean" does it, how about you name some? Name some Code A/B koreans who have series wins vs Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, DRG. I doubt you can, nice try though.
On March 13 2012 06:12 MichaelDonovan wrote: Oh fuck yes. So that's why Naniwa said "I won't be participating " in the GSL Code A Qualifiers. I was wondering about that. I figured it was either him wanting to train for another season before trying or that he was seeded somewhere already. I didn't expect it to be into Code S though. However, Naniwa is definitely a Code S level player. He is for sure in the top ten players of the world right now, maybe even top five. I'm not really a super Naniwa fan or anything; this is just the way I see it.
Anyway this is really exciting. Season 2 is gonna be sick.
Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE.
Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack.
You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not
You don't have to come first in a major tournament to be a good player.
Of course the discussion of whether Naniwa deserves a Code S spot is academic; we know he is because he earned one at MLG. Gom may have altered the deal after the fact but as far as everyone, including MLG, was aware at the time, Naniwa had won a Code S spot with his second place at the most stacked MLG ever.
On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote: [quote] Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE.
Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack.
You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not
You don't have to come first in a major tournament to be a good player.
No one said he's not a good player. We were just saying that he's not Top 10/Top 5 or potential GSL champion, and the chance of him even passing the first round in Code S is slim considering his record in past GSL. You can quote me after next season.
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE.
Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack.
You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not
You don't have to come first in a major tournament to be a good player.
No one said he's not a good player. We were just saying that he's not Top 10/Top 5 or potential GSL champion, and the chance of him even passing the first round in Code S is slim considering his record in past GSL. You can quote me after next season.
I can't see that his Code A record of many months ago is relevant. The GSL doesn't have any magical talismanic powers; if he can beat these players outside of the booth he can beat them in it.
On March 13 2012 07:48 Olinim wrote: [quote] Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE.
Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack.
You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not
You don't have to come first in a major tournament to be a good player.
No one said he's not a good player. We were just saying that he's not Top 10/Top 5 or potential GSL champion, and the chance of him even passing the first round in Code S is slim considering his record in past GSL. You can quote me after next season.
I can't see that his Code A record of many months ago is relevant. The GSL doesn't have any magical talismanic powers; if he can beat these players outside of the booth he can beat them in it.
You're wrong. The GSL is quite different from any other tournament outside of Korea. The level of competition is one thing, but there's time to prepare for a specific opponent is the most important characteristics of the GSL, and it's the part where most foreigners not able to do well. I could see Naniwa beat Nestea/MVP in a BO3 in MLG, but he will very likely lose to them in GSL. Naniwa could totally beat Lucky any time in a foreigner tournament, but he's just not able to get a single set in Code A.
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE.
Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack.
You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not
You don't have to come first in a major tournament to be a good player.
No one said he's not a good player. We were just saying that he's not Top 10/Top 5 or potential GSL champion, and the chance of him even passing the first round in Code S is slim considering his record in past GSL. You can quote me after next season.
I can't see that his Code A record of many months ago is relevant. The GSL doesn't have any magical talismanic powers; if he can beat these players outside of the booth he can beat them in it.
You're wrong. The GSL is quite different from any other tournament outside of Korea. The level of competition is one thing, but there's time to prepare for a specific opponent is the most important characteristics of the GSL, and it's the part where most foreigners not able to do well. I could see Naniwa beat Nestea/MVP in a BO3 in MLG, but he will very likely lose to them in GSL. Naniwa could totally beat Lucky any time in a foreigner tournament, but he's just not able to get a single set in Code A.
The thing is the only evidence you have that Naniwa is bad at prepared matches is a couple of Code A series from months ago. You're positing that 'hasn't happened' is equal to 'can never happen'.
On March 13 2012 11:39 Schmoooopy wrote: Glad that Nani got the seed. I just hope he improves his abysmal GSL record ;_;
I don't think he can improve that anymore unless he wins it all or just completely sweeping everyone without losing... He's so far back from even making it 50% ratio.
On March 13 2012 11:39 Schmoooopy wrote: Glad that Nani got the seed. I just hope he improves his abysmal GSL record ;_;
I don't think he can improve that anymore unless he wins it all or just completely sweeping everyone without losing... He's so far back from even making it 50% ratio.
To me, just staying Code S for 2-3 seasons is enough for any foreigner to gain a lot of support.
Why would GOM seed Naniwa into Code S? He's literally gone 1-12 in Code A, not even Code S. He needs to at least break through Code A first, I don't really care how well he plays in foreign tournaments with Koreans, GSL is an entirely different beast. Feels like GOM is just seeding him in so that they can be the "good guys" out of that Naniwa drama and gain EU viewership...
A very nice distribution of teams there. I'm hoping a few more ST players make it through. Also the Prime revolution narrative would be greatly enhanced if Bbongbbong and Marine King had a few more Prime players in Code S.
If Nani can get his nerves under control...or whatever it was that prevented him from performing well before...then he should at least be able to stick around in Code S or re-qualify for it consistently. He's a beast for sure...
Does anyone think that this might possibly be the most beastly Code S yet? I thought last season was pushing it, but this is insanity. Not one of the players listed is weak or undeserving of their spot (and I HATE Gumiho, but he deserves to be there)
Considering the weakest players are going to be those coming through the up-and-downs, which means the weakest people in Code S so far are Squirtle and BboongBboong (you know, those two dude who get all-kills in GSTL) , I'd say this season is going to be out of this world.
Naniwa should rather be kicked out of battle.net then be invited to big tournaments. Not only for his infamous Nestea game, but for his behaviour in German EPS and with MYM, too.
Nvm, guess he'll be beaten out of GSL soon enough... at least I am gonna root for every single player that he plays against, no matter who it is, as nani is the person with the biggest lack of sportsmanship-attitude in the industry, period.
On March 13 2012 06:29 Olinim wrote: [quote] Can't tell if serious...
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE.
Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack.
You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not
He just beat nestea and leenock in MLG winter arena. Instead of just saying "any Code A/B korean" does it, how about you name some? Name some Code A/B koreans who have series wins vs Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, DRG. I doubt you can, nice try though.
Still his abysmal gsl record stands. You have should understand the difference between playing a MLG or GSL booth.
Lets name some players who beat Mvp and Nestea in box series multiple times! See if you can name 5
Let's name some players who have a worse record in GSL than Naniwa.
Before you say that's irrelevant, it has alot more to do with whether he is top 5 or not than how many times he beat Nestea.(nothing, btw)
Every player has a low point, MC, Mvp, DRG, essentially ALL champions were once Code A or Code B, so your point is moot.
But Naniwa isn't a champion and has never had a high point comparable to Mvp, MC or DRG. He's a guy who did well in one tournament, MLG Providence, where he had a ridiculous seed and didn't actually win. Aside from that he's just been consistently good for a foreigner but mediocre overall with some wins over good players but a lot more losses to good players and plenty of losses to weaker players at tournaments where he should have done better.
True hes not a champion, but this code S seed is his chance to breakout and become that champion. He definitely has the ability to beat anyone, but also lose to lower players. That being said its entirely possible for him to do well and maybe even win. Nani first GSL foreigner champion? gogo Nani
Following your logic we could basically make the same argument for any one in Code S/A/B at the moment. ANY ONE.
Not really, because Naniwa has beaten enough top tier players enough times to separate himself from the pack.
You could say that for any Code A/B korean who does that. Besides, MLG providence was a while ago. Has naniwa won anything recently? I think not
He just beat nestea and leenock in MLG winter arena. Instead of just saying "any Code A/B korean" does it, how about you name some? Name some Code A/B koreans who have series wins vs Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, DRG. I doubt you can, nice try though.
Still his abysmal gsl record stands. You have should understand the difference between playing a MLG or GSL booth.
So if he does well in this GSL your mind will be blown? Cause your logic seems to have a hole in it.
On March 13 2012 17:01 zecherShock wrote: Naniwa should rather be kicked out of battle.net then be invited to big tournaments. Not only for his infamous Nestea game, but for his behaviour in German EPS and with MYM, too.
Nvm, guess he'll be beaten out of GSL soon enough... at least I am gonna root for every single player that he plays against, no matter who it is, as nani is the person with the biggest lack of sportsmanship-attitude in the industry, period.
The EPS thing happened.. like one and a half year ago? wow...
His nestea game wasn't even a game. It was pointless. He wouldn't even have gotten ladder points had he won. I don't understand why they put a game which is even less significant than a ladder game in a tournament.. And he still apologized for it, and then they invented a new retroactive rule on the spot with a completely arbitrary definition that kicked him out.
On March 13 2012 17:01 zecherShock wrote: Naniwa should rather be kicked out of battle.net then be invited to big tournaments. Not only for his infamous Nestea game, but for his behaviour in German EPS and with MYM, too.
Nvm, guess he'll be beaten out of GSL soon enough... at least I am gonna root for every single player that he plays against, no matter who it is, as nani is the person with the biggest lack of sportsmanship-attitude in the industry, period.
The EPS thing happened.. like one and a half year ago? wow...
His nestea game wasn't even a game. It was pointless. He wouldn't even have gotten ladder points had he won. I don't understand why they put a game which is even less significant than a ladder game in a tournament.. And he still apologized for it, and then they invented a new retroactive rule on the spot with a completely arbitrary definition that kicked him out.
I don't think you understand the definition of the word arbitrary.
This is awesome, I'm really happy for Naniwa. I hope he'll do well. And there's no question really that Polt deserves Code S. Looking forward to Code S more than ever now!!! :D
On March 13 2012 17:01 zecherShock wrote: Naniwa should rather be kicked out of battle.net then be invited to big tournaments. Not only for his infamous Nestea game, but for his behaviour in German EPS and with MYM, too.
Nvm, guess he'll be beaten out of GSL soon enough... at least I am gonna root for every single player that he plays against, no matter who it is, as nani is the person with the biggest lack of sportsmanship-attitude in the industry, period.
The EPS thing happened.. like one and a half year ago? wow...
His nestea game wasn't even a game. It was pointless. He wouldn't even have gotten ladder points had he won. I don't understand why they put a game which is even less significant than a ladder game in a tournament.. And he still apologized for it, and then they invented a new retroactive rule on the spot with a completely arbitrary definition that kicked him out.
I don't think you understand the definition of the word arbitrary.
On March 13 2012 17:01 zecherShock wrote: Naniwa should rather be kicked out of battle.net then be invited to big tournaments. Not only for his infamous Nestea game, but for his behaviour in German EPS and with MYM, too.
Nvm, guess he'll be beaten out of GSL soon enough... at least I am gonna root for every single player that he plays against, no matter who it is, as nani is the person with the biggest lack of sportsmanship-attitude in the industry, period.
The EPS thing happened.. like one and a half year ago? wow...
His nestea game wasn't even a game. It was pointless. He wouldn't even have gotten ladder points had he won. I don't understand why they put a game which is even less significant than a ladder game in a tournament.. And he still apologized for it, and then they invented a new retroactive rule on the spot with a completely arbitrary definition that kicked him out.
I don't think you understand the definition of the word arbitrary.
Care to elaborate?
It means to do something without reason. The definition of their 'new rule' (although it wasn't knew, it was a vague existing rule) was anything but arbitrary seen as they had the specific purpose of taking away Naniwa's Code S seed, and neither was that in itself arbitrary because he probe rushed. The probe rush was something that 40% of TL on the polls thought warranted the removal of his Code S so I would imagine it was even higher in Korea amongst the other teams and GOM.
Arbitrary would have been banning Nestea from Code S for it and seeding you or I into Code S next season.
Naniwa in the right mind set could make a good run in Code S. Im happy if he makes it to r16 He will get targeted with alot of early presssure tho, he better be ready!
On March 13 2012 17:01 zecherShock wrote: Naniwa should rather be kicked out of battle.net then be invited to big tournaments. Not only for his infamous Nestea game, but for his behaviour in German EPS and with MYM, too.
Nvm, guess he'll be beaten out of GSL soon enough... at least I am gonna root for every single player that he plays against, no matter who it is, as nani is the person with the biggest lack of sportsmanship-attitude in the industry, period.
The EPS thing happened.. like one and a half year ago? wow...
His nestea game wasn't even a game. It was pointless. He wouldn't even have gotten ladder points had he won. I don't understand why they put a game which is even less significant than a ladder game in a tournament.. And he still apologized for it, and then they invented a new retroactive rule on the spot with a completely arbitrary definition that kicked him out.
I don't think you understand the definition of the word arbitrary.
Care to elaborate?
It means to do something without reason. The definition of their 'new rule' (although it wasn't knew, it was a vague existing rule) was anything but arbitrary seen as they had the specific purpose of taking away Naniwa's Code S seed, and neither was that in itself arbitrary because he probe rushed. The probe rush was something that 40% of TL on the polls thought warranted the removal of his Code S so I would imagine it was even higher in Korea amongst the other teams and GOM.
Arbitrary would have been banning Nestea from Code S for it and seeding you or I into Code S next season.
I'll send you a PM instead. Going too far off topic. I'm gonna look forward to some great games this season =)
I feel like given the seeding system they have, these might be the best choices. However, I think my problem with the system is a bit different than most people's.
I would definitely prefer something like last year where the code s slots are awarded to the winners of a specific tournament, rather than being just given out subjectively; however, I think that if they are going to be given out subjectively, they should not be given out to people who were in the tournament the previous season and dropped out. It feels a bit like a way to keep in favorite/popular players even though they might not have earned it.
So for me, it's not the Naniwa seed that's controversial, but instead it's the Polt seed, since he just dropped out. His results definitely deserve it, but I would prefer that Gom give him the chance to earn it back through code a qualifiers, rather than just popping him right back in.
If he doesn't make it, then seed him next season, but this season I think they should have seeded violet or puma instead of Polt.
On March 13 2012 17:01 zecherShock wrote: Naniwa should rather be kicked out of battle.net then be invited to big tournaments. Not only for his infamous Nestea game, but for his behaviour in German EPS and with MYM, too.
Nvm, guess he'll be beaten out of GSL soon enough... at least I am gonna root for every single player that he plays against, no matter who it is, as nani is the person with the biggest lack of sportsmanship-attitude in the industry, period.
On March 13 2012 17:01 zecherShock wrote: Naniwa should rather be kicked out of battle.net then be invited to big tournaments. Not only for his infamous Nestea game, but for his behaviour in German EPS and with MYM, too.
Nvm, guess he'll be beaten out of GSL soon enough... at least I am gonna root for every single player that he plays against, no matter who it is, as nani is the person with the biggest lack of sportsmanship-attitude in the industry, period.
pretty sure he will get beaten badly^^
I would not consider it a lack of sportsmanship, I'd call it, I want to be the best so I practice hard and get's very upset when I loose to all'ins I should have been able to hold"ship".. Also, he might not be friendly, but he has a "good" mentality for champions. He know's he's better then what he have performed earlier in GSL.
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