Blizzard does NOT allow the use of macros in Starcraft 2, 1 key doing more than 1 action is against their terms of use.

You can use any mouse or keyboard, but when you enable macros + use a macro they can and/or will penalize you. WoW uses warden to scan for illegal background processes, I can bet Starcraft 2 contains something similar - as there are people who have used macros and been caught and punished.

As far as Tournaments go, that will depend on the tournament. Any serious event will definitely not tolerate this in Starcraft/2.

Lavit2099

United States390 Posts

March 10 2012 20:25 GMT

#42

Iirc, MLG requires you to bring your OWN keyboard and mouse AND (usually) drivers. Like the mouse wheel/left click thing; it's a driver thing.

Honestly, unless there is a rule in some tournament forbidding the use of X mouse/keyboard OR not permitting you to do something, it's fine. If there's not a rule saying you can't, you can.

MLG Colombus 2012 rules:
http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/30#event_85_rules

Nothing saying you can't use it.

NexaS

United States202 Posts

March 10 2012 20:25 GMT

#43

It's allowed. As long as the buttons are only binded to one key. You can't have multiple keys on one press.

DeOnlineGamer

United Kingdom12 Posts

March 10 2012 20:58 GMT

#44

Had nothing against TLO he is just my favourite player and the first that came to mind.

I just want to know because if I ever got decent using the mouse for control groups instead of the keyboard it would not be fun relearning how to use the keyboard instead xD

AethariA

Canada22 Posts

March 10 2012 21:13 GMT

#45

It's allowed as long as it's a 1:1 button rebind. For example, pushing one button on your mouse to select your Nexus/CC/Hatch is perfectly fine, but pushing one button on your mouse to select your Nexus/CC/Hatch AND make a worker is not allowed in most tournaments.

Audemed

United States893 Posts

March 10 2012 21:21 GMT

#46

Came here because I use a naga.

ITT: HuK trying to dramabomb.

Pleasantly surprised!

TAAF

Switzerland226 Posts

March 10 2012 21:29 GMT

#47

On March 11 2012 05:58 DeOnlineGamer wrote:
Had nothing against TLO he is just my favourite player and the first that came to mind.

I just want to know because if I ever got decent using the mouse for control groups instead of the keyboard it would not be fun relearning how to use the keyboard instead xD

I would just start to use the keyboard now... I mean you can buy different Keyboards but they will be pretty much the same all the time, but there will not always be a mouse like the Razer Naga.

EatsDirt

Canada26 Posts

March 10 2012 21:35 GMT

#48

the naga is worse in my opinion than keyboard. thumb is slower than multiple fingers.

KevinIX

United States2472 Posts

March 10 2012 21:39 GMT

#49

I can't see why it wouldn't be allowed.

Panzamelano

Colombia248 Posts

March 10 2012 22:33 GMT

#50

As far as you stick to the rule of 1 button 1 action its completely legal so dont worry :D

masterbreti

Korea (South)2711 Posts

March 10 2012 22:39 GMT

#51

I use a Naga and have never been told I couldn't use it. Since I don't use the keys on it at all (just bought it because of the large size)

Akta

447 Posts

March 10 2012 22:44 GMT

#52

On March 11 2012 07:39 masterbreti wrote:
I use a Naga and have never been told I couldn't use it. Since I don't use the keys on it at all (just bought it because of the large size)

I have one and I've told a lot of people it's a small mouse when they asked what using it feels like etc. Guess we have different references.

Korinai

Canada413 Posts

March 10 2012 22:44 GMT

#53

I'm pretty sure that as long as the buttons on the side of your mouse aren't macros (aka doing more than one thing at a time) than it's fine. I have a deathadder with two buttons on the side that I use for control groups 9/0 and I've never had any problems, but I don't play in tournaments so I can't really say.

Bashnek

Australia895 Posts

March 10 2012 22:54 GMT

#54

as long as 1 button on mouse= 1 button on keyboard theres no issue as far as im aware.

battyone

United States180 Posts

March 10 2012 22:58 GMT

#55

On March 11 2012 04:55 Kaitlin wrote:
The rules for the MLG Winter Arena prohibited any change of mouse or keyboard drivers. So, since I don't believe Starcraft 2 recognizes each of those buttons unless they are programmed in the mouse driver, I would say the mouse is allowed, but you wouldn't have most of the buttons for use.

It works out of the box without drivers, depending on a switch on bottom it's either the numbers along the top of the keyboard, or it functions as the numberpad.

So without drivers this would allow you to hit 6-0 without moving your left hand. I use it for putting observers/tech on 8/9/0

Eric.H

United States3 Posts

March 10 2012 23:04 GMT

#56

All Huk meant was that TLO is often known for doing unorthodox or innovative things. He's not trying to "drama bomb." You guys are silly.

Lysergic

United States355 Posts

March 10 2012 23:06 GMT

#57

Null question because no pro would be stupid enough to think binding control groups to mouse buttons is useful in any way.

But the answer is yes, they can handicap themselves if they want to, you just can't use macros.

Whatson

United States5356 Posts

March 10 2012 23:10 GMT

#58

On March 10 2012 23:39 HuK wrote:
i love how u use tlo as a reference, since he is probably the first "pro" that comes to mind that would do something like this

Haven't seen any of his super crazy strats lately though (besides that weird game vs MKP).

to OP, should be allowed as long as you only bind one hotkey to each mouse macro button and not some kind of chain commands.

Akta

447 Posts

March 11 2012 00:13 GMT

#59

On March 11 2012 08:06 lysergic wrote:
Null question because no pro would be stupid enough to think binding control groups to mouse buttons is useful in any way.

But the answer is yes, they can handicap themselves if they want to, you just can't use macros.

In a way I agree because I don't think using the extra buttons on the naga for control groups is very optimal. Control groups are usually used in coordination with mouse clicks and doing linked actions like that with one instead of two hands might be limiting. However, it can probably be an advantage for many other actions.

Having that said I'm sure mice and keyboards could be way way better than they are. Latest general mouse change was when two thumb buttons became standard like 10? years ago. They still have for example two normal buttons, why not 3 or 4? And there is plenty of room for more thumb buttons in the normal area on most models.

Razer tried something different with the Naga but it feels like the design was somewhat sloppy. Using the extra buttons isn't a problem what so ever in my experience, most people seem to get used to it in a couple of minutes. But if you look at almost any mouse, there is almost always room to add naga-like buttons further back without messing with the current thumb area. I'm a so called claw grip user and the natural thumb spot for me is right where they put the extra buttons on the naga.

If for example competitive sc2 was as big as competitive soccer or whatever there would most likely be tons of more optimized mice and especially keyboards. I'd probably use different keyboards for almost every game if I could.

Kerwin

United States220 Posts

March 11 2012 06:37 GMT

#60

On March 11 2012 06:29 TAAF wrote:

Show nested quote +

I would just start to use the keyboard now... I mean you can buy different Keyboards but they will be pretty much the same all the time, but there will not always be a mouse like the Razer Naga.

As long as there are MMOs, there will be mice like the Razer Naga and also according to Amazon the Razer Naga is the best selling Gaming Mouse right now, so I don't think that's a well-thought concern about whether there will continue to be mice like the Naga.

On March 11 2012 06:35 EatsDirt wrote:
the naga is worse in my opinion than keyboard. thumb is slower than multiple fingers.

If you're completely replacing the keyboard number with the naga numpad then yes, but I would argue that shift + 7-0 is much easier to hit with the naga than with just the keyboard.

I don't see how it would be a handicap to substitute the mouse numpad in certain situations (for instance binding 7-0) I think alot of people must have completely different shaped hands than me because my thumb rests over the numpad in a way that I can comfortably move the mouse accurately while hitting a numpad button with my thumb.