• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:24
CEST 21:24
KST 04:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0
StarCraft 2
General
Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu BW General Discussion StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET NA Team League 6/8/2025
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Who’s Getting the Effortless-Chic Look Just Right?
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 20672 users

Orb Dismissed from Evil Geniuses Broadcasts - Page 9

Forum Index > SC2 General
3626 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 182 Next
Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources.

In short, be smart.

Alex comments on Idra:


Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038

Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
March 09 2012 04:03 GMT
#161
On March 09 2012 13:02 KhAmun wrote:
I don't understand why people would go to their sponsors, what an ignorant action to take...


They do it because that is how they believe things will get done. Whether you agree with them or not it makes sense.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
March 09 2012 04:03 GMT
#162
On March 09 2012 12:51 PowerDes wrote:
What a joke. Let this be a warning guys, be on your bestest behavior when playing ladder games or the internet will destroy your reputation.



It's that's what you believe ... GOOD.

taintmachine
Profile Joined May 2010
United States431 Posts
March 09 2012 04:03 GMT
#163
On March 09 2012 13:01 tomatriedes wrote:
The fact that he ignores Idra and Incontrol calling people faggots makes this post pretty hypocritical.


well, none of the bosses majored whatever sociology fields would make one sensitive to getting called or seeing/hearing someone get called a faggot, so they are safe.

in before "lol south park said faggot isn't a bad word deerrrp"
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
March 09 2012 04:03 GMT
#164
On March 09 2012 12:57 pullarius1 wrote:
This is a great post. It really captures why and how the community needs to think about stuff like this.


I dont know. Calling people the n-word gets you removed from EG. Calling people fags is ok though?
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#165
Also re: "faggot", Garfield start with Idra on this front. He uses it a hell of a lot more than any other progamer I can think of.
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#166
On March 09 2012 13:02 Megabuster123 wrote:
I can't believe Reddit ruined this poor bastards career....Jesus christ. The starcraft community has shown anything but maturity with all of this tabloid TMZ bullshit.


Orb has no one to blame but Orb.
Mr.Rager
Profile Joined August 2011
United States59 Posts
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#167
This is so fucking stupid. Sure, orb made a mistake and he should've just apologized even if he didn't say this; that would've ended this controversy way long ago. You can use the n-word without being racist, and you can use "faggot" without being homophobic. It's all how you interpret it, and if it's not meant to offend homosexual people or black people then it isn't. You shouldn't assume such things.

For the record, I do want to point out that I don't think Orb is "a racist." As mentioned above, I think that to make such a claim would be to misunderstand the nature of contemporary racism. This, of course, does not lessen the severity of his actions, or the extent to which they are unacceptable and inexcusable, but it's still an important distinction to make.


I don't even understand what you're trying to say here. You release him, not because he's a racist, but because of his actions? People are making this blown way out of proportion and I don't feel orb should have this type of punishment. Maybe have him apologize and put him on a week break, but absolutely releasing him for saying a word that may offend somebody. Because god forbid we offend someone. It's not even like it was under your supervision or on the EG Master Cup, it was on his own stream where he can say what he wants. It's his content.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#168
On March 09 2012 12:59 Luepert wrote:
Pretty weird when you get fired for getting mad while playing a video game. At pretty much any other job you can't get fired for BMing someone in a video game on your own free time.

because at any other job, BM'ing people in game is completely irrelevant to your job. In this case it would be like going into the store you work at, on your day off and being a dick to customers. You would get fired for that.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#169
Based on the limited information I have on this subject, which is that this happened before he was contracted, I don't agree with the punishment, but I do understand the reasoning for it.
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” -Neil deGrasse Tyson
mcleod
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada350 Posts
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#170
this all seems a bit harsh on Orb
i think hes a great caster, yes he said some awful things
no need to fuck his shit up tho
grow up EG
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#171
On March 09 2012 13:02 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 12:57 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I can see the necessity in EG's move here, however I feel really sour about the fact that reddit managed to destroy yet another caster's career.


Uhh I think Orb destroyed Orb's carrer, you can't put all the blame on reddit.


He could have simply admitted his faults and issue a formal apology for his past behavior. Not claim that it was someone else, or that he was under the influence or that it was a non issue.

Shitty excuses don't fly.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
momonami5
Profile Joined July 2011
United States109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:06:07
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#172
On March 09 2012 12:59 Luepert wrote:
Pretty weird when you get fired for getting mad while playing a video game. At pretty much any other job you can't get fired for BMing someone in a video game on your own free time.



if a pizza guy was out calling ppl n word on the street, then ppl complained to the employer " hey man I'm not coming back to your shop if you gonna hire racist" pretty sure the guy would be fired. when the guy is in the wrong and the fans and supporters dont' forgive him then he will be terminated in any business. those are potential customers who will forever not respect you for letting a racist stay in the company. They will view you as a racist company, and everyone who see's the outcome will follow the same steps.

Even if orb isn't racist, he is doing something 10-12 yr old in halo and counter strike doing calling ppl n word. he need to grow up man. Not like it the end of orb forever perhaps people will forgive him but he gonna have to start over now.

Lets be real here, orb didn't even man up , he tried to lie at first and made it worse. which shows how can I trust orb isn't really racist and just saying sorry and i'm not racist just to keep his fans?
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#173
On March 09 2012 13:03 Nick! wrote:
I'm sorry but after this valiant and noble post, how can alex let IdrA get away with calling people ''faggots'' etc on Stream.


IdrA earns EG money. Fans choose to be willfully ignorant about someone they idolise as opposed to Orb who they envy more than idolise for being good enough to cast top level games.
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
ZerguufOu
Profile Joined December 2011
United States107 Posts
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#174
haah who contacted their sponsors to complained?
DanLee
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada316 Posts
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#175
I am pleased Alex, I have contacted all your sponsors by email to tell them how well you run EG.
nty
bro_fenix
Profile Joined February 2010
United States132 Posts
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#176
I think that was very well thought out, and written fairly. I don't know what Orb did, but I hope he comes back in a better image in the future.
Life isnt about waiting for the storm to pass... Its about learning to dance in the rain.
Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#177
On March 09 2012 13:02 NuclearWINtr wrote:
Why would someone post the screenshots of orb typing that though. That is the part I find most deplorable about this that someone would intentionally try to damage the position of someone who has helped the community. While what orb did certainly was juvenile it did not cause any damage to anyone. To the person on reddit who caused this I can only say that what you did is an action which has caused nothing but damage to people. What may have offended you has caused offense to many others and has led to the removal of a hard-working man from his position.

Was it worth it?


Yes, absolutely.
ObliviousNA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States535 Posts
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#178
On March 09 2012 13:03 Nick! wrote:
I'm sorry but after this valiant and noble post, how can alex let IdrA get away with calling people ''faggots'' etc on Stream.


Agree 100%. Would like to hear a response from Alex Garfield.
Theory is when you know everything but nothing works. Practice is when everything works but no one knows why. In our lab, theory and practice are combined: nothing works and no one knows why.
aithran
Profile Joined January 2011
16 Posts
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#179
Thank you for the excellent response.
I can say that I'm extremely proud to be a Starcraft, and in particular, EG afficionado.
ConsummateK
Profile Joined April 2010
United States98 Posts
March 09 2012 04:04 GMT
#180
People claiming this is an overreaction live in a dream world. If we wan't to be seen as anything more than a niche community then shit like this can't be allowed to exist. This was handled perfectly by EG (except for maybe doing a little more homework beforehand next time) kudos to them.
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 182 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 36m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 710
IndyStarCraft 218
UpATreeSC 88
JuggernautJason59
MindelVK 41
ForJumy 19
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2806
Rain 1312
Dewaltoss 140
Soulkey 115
scan(afreeca) 41
HiyA 39
ajuk12(nOOB) 5
League of Legends
Dendi2008
Counter-Strike
fl0m5540
olofmeister2191
Foxcn344
Super Smash Bros
Chillindude27
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu542
Khaldor172
Other Games
tarik_tv6163
summit1g3237
Grubby2333
FrodaN940
C9.Mang0739
Mlord538
B2W.Neo418
Mew2King105
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream2635
Other Games
BasetradeTV112
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH84
• Adnapsc2 26
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 29
• blackmanpl 23
• Rasowy 10
• Azhi_Dahaki5
• ZZZeroYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21801
League of Legends
• Jankos2268
• TFBlade1601
Other Games
• imaqtpie1219
• Shiphtur399
Upcoming Events
OSC
1h 36m
ArT vs ReBellioN
HonMonO vs Ziomek
Shameless vs LunaSea
MilkiCow vs GgMaChine
Moja vs HiGhDrA
Jumy vs TBD
Demi vs NightPhoenix
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
4h 36m
OSC
4h 36m
WardiTV Invitational
15h 36m
HiGhDrA vs Nicoract
MaNa vs HiGhDrA
HiGhDrA vs Reynor
Nicoract vs Reynor
MaNa vs Nicoract
MaNa vs Reynor
MaxPax vs Spirit
Krystianer vs Spirit
OSC
17h 36m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 7h
SOOP
1d 13h
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
1d 14h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 15h
Cheesadelphia
1d 19h
[ Show More ]
CSO Cup
1d 21h
GSL Code S
2 days
Rogue vs herO
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.