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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources.

In short, be smart.

Alex comments on Idra:


Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038

Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST
elis
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden69 Posts
March 09 2012 04:00 GMT
#121
i fucking hate you redditgoers, your autism ruins this community every time you have one of your shitty witch hunts, i felt so bad for katu and now i feel even worse for orb.

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Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
March 09 2012 04:00 GMT
#122
It is safer for EG to release him than suffer potential consequences, no matter how little those are.

This might have been a slight overreaction, but for an organization of EG's caliber, it's better to err on the side of caution.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
March 09 2012 04:00 GMT
#123
Great post, Alex. I hope EG, orb, and the StarCraft II community can all learn and grow from this.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
antitrop
Profile Joined March 2011
United States29 Posts
March 09 2012 04:00 GMT
#124
Would it be possible to get a comprehensive list of @ Twitter accounts for the EG sponsors so I can easily copy/paste them for a tweet to let them know I respect EG for the way they handled the situation?
I <3 you.
taintmachine
Profile Joined May 2010
United States431 Posts
March 09 2012 04:00 GMT
#125
as a matter of fact, idra has called both lz gamer and huk faggots in games (replays) and streams/vods

now they are on the same team LOL
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
March 09 2012 04:00 GMT
#126
/clap

Thank you so much. This was necessary. Racism can't be a part of our community, and regardless of whether what Orb was thinking when he said "nigger" he needed to understand that the word is widely offensive and carries weight. He didn't care about that and for that reason I don't think he should have a public job in our community. Thank you for this post, Mr Garfield, I didn't really like you before but you've won yourself a fan.
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
Gecko
Profile Joined August 2010
United States519 Posts
March 09 2012 04:00 GMT
#127
I don't like orbs behavior but I cannot fathom how digging up dirt on somebody with the sole intent of getting him fired from his new job is acceptable either. I'm not a fan of the community witchunting, it always brings harm and I cannot support EG's decision to cave in to this kind of behavior.
Vekalisk
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Australia137 Posts
March 09 2012 04:00 GMT
#128
I agree with the decision to release orb wholeheartedly, but I do believe this was absolutely ridiculous how much time was spent on this. People will not always be sincere and readily willing to change their own political views, and I for one don't exactly agree with the post 100%, but I share the sentiment. I, in my group of friends (I am 18), use these words probably all too frequently, but none of us mean any harm to one another at all. I realise this is a different context completely and I'm not slandering people with possibly offensive remarks, and do not agree with what orb said, but I think there is a place where these words can do no damage to people, however I realise many people don't share this view. I also believe that the core of this problem lay in the lying that was displayed from orb, that was ridiculous and cowardly.

I'm also extremely curious as to wondering why people would contact sponsors to show their outrage after such little time spent on the matter and no EG comments being made on it yet, that's just asking for hurt if you're wanting this scene to grow.

Thanks for the post Alex, really well written, constructed and it makes sense. And although I share wildly different opinions on the context of these words, I do agree with your decision wholeheartedly and hope that people are willing to tell your sponsors that they were wrong and aren't going to change their view on EG in any way shape or form based upon some mistakes that weren't in EG's control.
Twitter: @Vekalisk
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
March 09 2012 04:00 GMT
#129
On March 09 2012 12:57 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I can see the necessity in EG's move here, however I feel really sour about the fact that reddit managed to destroy yet another caster's career.


can't make an omelet without breaking a couple eggs.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
ineedaicon
Profile Joined September 2010
United States17 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:02:39
March 09 2012 04:01 GMT
#130
I agree with the choice made here. But lets be fair reddit will grab the pitch forks to almost anything. A few days ago it was because EG's games were played a few months ago and don't worry there will be another issue this weekend that will have people in an outrage. I think reddit as a whole is good for the community but I mean come on why does reddit have to go ape shit over everything. There is way to much drama in this community and it reflects poorly on us all. We need to be more understanding about somethings and not jump the gun.

Think before you act people...why would you contact sponsors before a statement is released. They need to look into the claims and figure out what action needs to be taken and THEN WRITE THE STATEMENT. Why would you put a team in hot water before they made a decision because of a player on the team. Its the same thing when Grubby lost his steel series sponsor. People immediately said "I am not buying this product anymore" "wow you dropped Grubby well cya steel series I am going to razer"

With that said I am happy with the action taken and hope we as a community can learn from it.
"The nail that sticks out must be pounded down"
hiyo_bye
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States737 Posts
March 09 2012 04:01 GMT
#131
On March 09 2012 12:54 BandonBanshee wrote:
How is anyone suprised....Is there actually a job where you can say Nigger and not be fired? (Besides a prison guard)


Laddering isn't his job, I don't think... But I assume there is a TON of trashtalking in sports like basketball, football, etc, and I'm sure there are worse instances of badmouthing by professional athletes, only these cases aren't so easily captured and delivered for thousands of people to see...
Random
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
March 09 2012 04:01 GMT
#132
On March 09 2012 12:59 pugowar wrote:
What orb said - in the past - was obviously not good. That being said, he is a young man, who made a mistake (or several mistakes in a chain and acted extremely immature). While he should be punished, I think that a complete dismissal is way over punishment. It feels to me as though EG and their sponsors gave in to a mob mentality here - and should be careful to allow others so much power over their decision making process.
While racism is not to be tolerated, I would think that Orb would be warned that his actions are not to be tolerated, told if he did it again he would be fired, and suspended for part of the season or something else. I guess I am more forgiving then most, but we all make mistakes, and typically are given chances to move past them.
Even Michael Vick has been given a second chance after being convicted of dogfighting and torturing and killing dogs.


He went to jail first. Actions have consequences.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
March 09 2012 04:01 GMT
#133
The fact that he ignores Idra and Incontrol calling people faggots makes this post pretty hypocritical.
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
March 09 2012 04:01 GMT
#134
This entire thing is retarded. If he had raged and cursed and used all manner of foul language except the word "nigger," he would be in the clear. It just shows that the taboo the word has in the world, most especially American society, is so extreme even saying it in a completely different, racially-empty context is considered the greatest transgression.

America, get over your guilt complex.
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
Mist7
Profile Joined August 2010
United States73 Posts
March 09 2012 04:01 GMT
#135
Mr. Garfield made the correct choice for sure.
"For those with Wings, Fly to your Dreams"
Ortheas
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1 Post
March 09 2012 04:01 GMT
#136
GG WP
Vaya con Dios!
EnderSword
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada669 Posts
March 09 2012 04:01 GMT
#137
I'm incredibly disappointed in EG for this.

They've been my favourite team, I've got an EG mousepad, and one of the Hoodies and generally watch a lot of the team in general.

That certainly ends today.

This type of caving in to pressure by a loud, vicious minority of people who were hunting, not out of genuine offense, but to cause drama is an incredible display of horrible judgement and a complete lack of loyalty.

I could give two shits about orb...and to be honest, no one could. Nobody REALLY cares about it. It's just something to talk about between events.

Totally selling out an employee to save your own ass, especially while completely tolerating IdrA's...existence, and inviting Destiny onto EG sponsors and produced shows is so hypocritical as to be laughable.

I don't believe a single damn word Alex Garfield said, and his fake offendedness over this word is so ridiculous it's not worthy of any respect. It's the worst type of fake, two-faced holier-than-thou bullshit you can get.

Shove your sanctimonious bullshit and hypocritical policy and fuck off.

Or to quote your Own popular Team Member IdrA: "This Game is Retarded" and "The Game is worse because of Fags like you"


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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
March 09 2012 04:01 GMT
#138
extremely well written. kudos for standing up in what you believe in and sticking true to your ideals and values as a person and as the head of an organization.

keep up the great work at EG!
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
KhAmun
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1005 Posts
March 09 2012 04:02 GMT
#139
I don't understand why people would go to their sponsors, what an ignorant action to take...
Tydrokos
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States56 Posts
March 09 2012 04:02 GMT
#140
Right move imo. Thanks for the great explanation too! Much more respect for EG and its administration now. Fighting!
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