EPTOrb didn't deserve this. If he would do such a thing in your stream and under contract, fine. But the many times I saw his casts I never heard something unnapropiate. The guy is a pro caster, and you just smashed him just because your sponsors.
Orb Dismissed from Evil Geniuses Broadcasts - Page 39
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
|
tetsuo9
Chile62 Posts
Orb didn't deserve this. If he would do such a thing in your stream and under contract, fine. But the many times I saw his casts I never heard something unnapropiate. The guy is a pro caster, and you just smashed him just because your sponsors. | ||
|
Bearbear
United States94 Posts
the r/starcraft community is terrible, its so sad how something like this happens because people have thin skin and want something to complain about | ||
|
Sylailene
91 Posts
They have an automated ban list in the closed section, and they give reasons there | ||
|
kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:55 Liquid`NonY wrote: I respect this decision and reasoning. I share pretty much every opinion expressed by Alex in this statement. WOW, you too Tyler, that's too bad. I guess not everyone is as intelligent as they appear. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
|
oBlade
United States5904 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:59 Rainier206 wrote: For people who are saying "It's not a big deal" I hope I catch you scrawny dorks using the N word at an event. You can get punched in the teeth and be brought back to reality. I know you don't get outside much, but get a clue. Your argument against using an apparently racist word is that the group that would be take offense at its use couldn't possibly withhold their violence, and in the end you would end up at a dentist getting more false teeth than the guy in Oldboy? There's no logic there, it's just intimidation. | ||
|
Charger
United States2405 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:04 kochanfe wrote: WOW, you too Tyler, that's too bad. I guess not everyone is as intelligent as they appear. Or he actually has a clue how business works. | ||
|
mrGRAPE
Singapore293 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:04 kochanfe wrote: WOW, you too Tyler, that's too bad. I guess not everyone is as intelligent as they appear. How is not sharing the same opinion as you a conclusion that he's not as intelligent? lol good lord. | ||
|
Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:57 Protosnake wrote: It's absolutely not. What make you so sure that this is the case is beyond me. You're either not familiar with American culture or the English language. You really shouldn't comment from a place of utter ignorance. | ||
|
XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:36 motbob wrote: How are the people in this thread comparing Idra's profanity to Orb's? How are the two situations even remotely the same? The word "nigger" is an automatic career-ender for a public figure in almost all situations of use. The word "faggot" is not. I don't know how people can even compare it they are just insane i use the F -word sometimes when i rage on Ladder and i usually have remorse and say sorry a minute afterwards or i just get remorse because i realise i said something dumb. But i've never used racial hatred and the N-word as a derogatory term when playing and we can't have Casters representing the community who will loosely use the N-word as a derogatory offense to another person it is deplorable. It makes the whole SC2 community look bad and will hurt E-Sports. All you people E-mailing EG's sponsors and complaining please stop now. Orb isn't with EG anymore stop hurting the scene. | ||
|
Keytar
Canada156 Posts
Video gaming as a profession and as a true passion can never be taken seriously in the mainstream if we permit language that we'd never tolerate even from close friends. When I read Mr. Garfield's post (so speedily delivered! There was even a foreword at the start of the EGMCS tonight saying hold on, a statement is coming) I was pleased he was taking the professional route about the matter. When I then saw his tweet regarding cracking down on Idra's language, I was doubly impressed. Evil Geniuses knows what direction the community should head in. Although it's a shame Orb had to lose his job (he's better than many casters, particularly good at map analysis) there was really no other choice that could be made. There are so many race-, gender-, and sexual orientation-neutral ways to rage and he could have picked any of them. Reddit has dirt on almost everyone. Be careful what you say and do, because not everything on the internet is anonymous. | ||
|
allerion
62 Posts
In all seriousness, why release Orb, hes the best caster outside of Tastosis.... | ||
|
lvent
United States140 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:47 motbob wrote: Let me use a counter- counter-example, a real world example. Way back in beta, Orb was defeatured for saying the word "nigger" while streaming, if I recall correctly. Yet that has never happened for people who've used the word "faggot" to my knowledge, nor do I recall that option ever being discussed. There is a double-standard there. The two words are not equivalent in the public eye. In addition, Orb and Idra are at different levels of being a "public figure." You used the example of a sports broadcaster. Obviously if a sports commentator used either the n-word or f-word, they would be fired immediately. If an NFL player used the word "faggot," what would happen to him? Would he be fired? Howard Cosell is a good example of what happens when a person in that type of position using a derogatory term, I believe his was monkey. edit * screwed up my quote | ||
|
Smat
United States301 Posts
| ||
|
iSmoke
Canada34 Posts
have modern view on contemporary racism, then why do you feel "nigger" is still inherently bad? The word only has power if you act like its the ultimate taboo, if everyone didn't care about the word we could just assimlate into our collections of "cuss words" Maybe in 20 years the word will not have as much power over small minds as it does now again,,,, its just a word.... The only power it has is the power you give to it. | ||
|
Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
| ||
|
Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:04 kochanfe wrote: WOW, you too Tyler, that's too bad. I guess not everyone is as intelligent as they appear. just because he doesn't share your opinion doesn't mean he's not intelligent -_- | ||
|
Appendix
Sweden979 Posts
| ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:02 Thorantham wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319018¤tpage=35#700 Hmm, no, there's no set policy about this sort of thing. No one sat down and said "What objectionable content should we defeature for?" As far as I know, only one person has ever been defeatured for objectionable content. Given that, no set policy was really ever needed. Anyway, I wasn't trying to make statements about TL policy, as I've said before. If Orb made the same comments today as a featured streamer, I do not know whether he would be defeatured. The episode where he was previously defeatured was a very long time ago, back in beta. | ||
|
Stanlo
1 Post
| ||
|
Ghost.573
United States126 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:04 iloveAthene wrote: I agree except for the part about rappers using the word "nigger." They say "nigga" And Orb's context WAS meant to be hurtful to the person he said it to. (granted, the person probably wasn't black) ....now I feel racist for assuming blacks don't play Starcraft The word is regularly said as n----er in many raps. They say it for the most part to call other people the name. It is most definitely used in both ways not just n---a. | ||
| ||
