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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources.

In short, be smart.

Alex comments on Idra:


Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038

Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
March 11 2012 06:01 GMT
#3321
On March 11 2012 14:41 Silvertine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 14:20 Djzapz wrote:
The intention behind it is not necessarily racist, and shouldn't always be treated as such.

the Jews control everything and are ruining the world

Now you know why intention matters bro.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Silvertine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States509 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 06:07:46
March 11 2012 06:03 GMT
#3322
On March 11 2012 15:01 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 14:41 Silvertine wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:20 Djzapz wrote:
The intention behind it is not necessarily racist, and shouldn't always be treated as such.

the Jews control everything and are ruining the world

Now you know why intention matters bro.

That's not intention that's context.

It really seems like you don't understand what these words mean.


On March 11 2012 14:50 Slapshot wrote:
A lot of people in this topic agree this was an overreaction on EG's part, it seems a vocal minority was once gain succesful in forcing through their opinion and moral values. Hopefully Orb finds a new job as a caster soon.

Totally baseless.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 06:09:38
March 11 2012 06:07 GMT
#3323
On March 11 2012 15:03 Silvertine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 15:01 Djzapz wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:41 Silvertine wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:20 Djzapz wrote:
The intention behind it is not necessarily racist, and shouldn't always be treated as such.

the Jews control everything and are ruining the world

Now you know why intention matters bro.

That's not intention that's context.

It really seems like you don't understand what these words mean.

You're right. But you're the one who's saying that regardless of intention, when "hurtful" words are uttered, they're always racist. You said something racist, but you didn't mean it, as we can pick up from context. The context, though, shows your intention.

We can do the same thing with what Orb said. With the context*, we can figure out that he used the word "nigger" as an interchangeable meaningless shell of a word. That's how we know not to get offended by you talking about how jews are ruining the world. You said those words but you're not antisemitic.

Edit: it was a mess, sorry
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Silvertine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States509 Posts
March 11 2012 06:12 GMT
#3324
On March 11 2012 15:07 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 15:03 Silvertine wrote:
On March 11 2012 15:01 Djzapz wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:41 Silvertine wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:20 Djzapz wrote:
The intention behind it is not necessarily racist, and shouldn't always be treated as such.

the Jews control everything and are ruining the world

Now you know why intention matters bro.

That's not intention that's context.

It really seems like you don't understand what these words mean.

But you're the one who's saying that regardless of intention, when "hurtful" words are uttered, they're always racist.

I never said that.

You said something racist, but you didn't mean it, as we can pick up from context.

No, I didn't.

I understand the point you're trying to make but it happens to be entirely irrelevant in this case. Orb wasn't speaking of the word, he wasn't quoting somebody. He was using it himself as an insult.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
March 11 2012 06:19 GMT
#3325
On March 11 2012 15:12 Silvertine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 15:07 Djzapz wrote:
On March 11 2012 15:03 Silvertine wrote:
On March 11 2012 15:01 Djzapz wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:41 Silvertine wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:20 Djzapz wrote:
The intention behind it is not necessarily racist, and shouldn't always be treated as such.

the Jews control everything and are ruining the world

Now you know why intention matters bro.

That's not intention that's context.

It really seems like you don't understand what these words mean.

But you're the one who's saying that regardless of intention, when "hurtful" words are uttered, they're always racist.

I never said that.

Show nested quote +
You said something racist, but you didn't mean it, as we can pick up from context.

No, I didn't.

I understand the point you're trying to make but it happens to be entirely irrelevant in this case. Orb wasn't speaking of the word, he wasn't quoting somebody. He was using it himself as an insult.

So despite little misunderstandings, you understand what I'm trying to convey, let's build on it.

I call my friends "faggot" all the time as a friendly gesture. It's immature and stupid, I'm sorry - but I don't think it's despicable or anything like that. It's this little poke at them, meant as some friendly derogatory label. If I were drunk and I was feeling very playful, I may call one of my friends a "nigger". It could hypothetically go like this: "Haha Matt, you're such a nigger!". And yet I'm not racist or homophobic, quite the contrary.

I'm not quoting anybody, and the context doesn't let you know what my intentions are. Am I expressing hatred of black people and homosexuals, or am I just goofing or expressing anger in general? In this case, "nigger" can be used as a general derogatory label, used simply for its offensive value. The fact is, you can't tell if Orb is racist or not. I don't think he is.

So we're punishing someone because of vocabulary when the thing which truly damages society is racism. Not fucking harmless vocabulary.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
March 11 2012 06:24 GMT
#3326
On March 11 2012 15:03 Silvertine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 15:01 Djzapz wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:41 Silvertine wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:20 Djzapz wrote:
The intention behind it is not necessarily racist, and shouldn't always be treated as such.

the Jews control everything and are ruining the world

Now you know why intention matters bro.




Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 14:50 Slapshot wrote:
A lot of people in this topic agree this was an overreaction on EG's part, it seems a vocal minority was once gain succesful in forcing through their opinion and moral values. Hopefully Orb finds a new job as a caster soon.

Totally baseless.


... because the majority of the community really cares about pointless drama?

I sure the hell hope not.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
March 11 2012 06:28 GMT
#3327
On March 11 2012 15:24 stevarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 15:03 Silvertine wrote:
On March 11 2012 15:01 Djzapz wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:41 Silvertine wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:20 Djzapz wrote:
The intention behind it is not necessarily racist, and shouldn't always be treated as such.

the Jews control everything and are ruining the world

Now you know why intention matters bro.




On March 11 2012 14:50 Slapshot wrote:
A lot of people in this topic agree this was an overreaction on EG's part, it seems a vocal minority was once gain succesful in forcing through their opinion and moral values. Hopefully Orb finds a new job as a caster soon.

Totally baseless.


... because the majority of the community really cares about pointless drama?

I sure the hell hope not.

ty.
This thread =/= the entire community.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
March 11 2012 06:31 GMT
#3328
On March 11 2012 14:41 Silvertine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 14:20 Djzapz wrote:
The intention behind it is not necessarily racist, and shouldn't always be treated as such.

Intention is absolutely irrelevant. You can't go on about how the Jews control everything and are ruining the world and then say "I didn't intend to be anti-Semitic". When you call someone a racist term, especially as an insult, you are being racist. It doesn't matter whether you're actually a racist or not.

Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 14:41 darthfoley wrote:
I do (nigga not nigger, which is the biggest difference in this debate which no one seems to be talking about). All the time, with everyone at school who is black. I don't get beaten up, because everyone knows i'm "that white boy". It's understood that i'm not some type of racist. Nigga is used as a synonym for bro, friend or anything else endearing. Obviously it can be used in a negative connotation, but many of you who are offended by the word for no practical reason (besides what it USED to mean) come across as butt hurt kids who have never actually had black friends.

Wow... just wow. You begin by stating that there is a distinction between 'nigga' and 'nigger' and then you act as if there isn't one. Those people you're responding to specifically said that you would get attacked for ending it with an 'r', not an 'a'.


obviously there is a difference between the two, i'm mainly just frustrated with people that don't grasp the difference between them. It's late, and i guess my reply was giving mixed messages. I do not say nigger, unless i'm joking around with my close friends, since we make fun of each others races a lot. As i said, Orb saying nigger on a random stream is stupid, but i don't agree with nigga/er is some taboo word that should never be uttered no matter what circumstance.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Silvertine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States509 Posts
March 11 2012 06:34 GMT
#3329
I call my friends "faggot" all the time as a friendly gesture. It's immature and stupid, I'm sorry

I'm glad you at least realize how stupid it is.

f I were drunk and I was feeling very playful, I may call one of my friends a "nigger". It could hypothetically go like this: "Haha Matt, you're such a nigger!". And yet I'm not racist or homophobic, quite the contrary.

And we come back to the initial point: It doesn't matter whether you are truly a homophobe or a racist, you can still say something that's homophobic or racist.

Am I expressing hatred of black people and homosexuals, or am I just goofing or expressing anger in general? In this case, "nigger" can be used as a general derogatory label, used simply for its offensive value.

It doesn't matter whether you personally want to use it as a general insult or not, the fact is that it has never been and is not now considered a general insult by the massive majority of the population. That is how language becomes defined. A couple of immature morons throwing a racial slur around does not change its meaning.

So we're punishing someone because of vocabulary when the thing which truly damages society is racism. Not fucking harmless vocabulary.

Calling people 'niggers' is racism, no matter how hard that is for you to get through your head.

Slapshot
Profile Joined January 2012
95 Posts
March 11 2012 06:38 GMT
#3330
On March 11 2012 15:03 Silvertine wrote:

Totally baseless.


I didn't conduct a survey among SC2 watchers but the opinions in this topic are quite clear and there is no reason to believe that isn't a good indication of the general opinion of the viewerbase.
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
March 11 2012 06:40 GMT
#3331
On March 11 2012 15:28 Jojo131 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 15:24 stevarius wrote:
On March 11 2012 15:03 Silvertine wrote:
On March 11 2012 15:01 Djzapz wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:41 Silvertine wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:20 Djzapz wrote:
The intention behind it is not necessarily racist, and shouldn't always be treated as such.

the Jews control everything and are ruining the world

Now you know why intention matters bro.




On March 11 2012 14:50 Slapshot wrote:
A lot of people in this topic agree this was an overreaction on EG's part, it seems a vocal minority was once gain succesful in forcing through their opinion and moral values. Hopefully Orb finds a new job as a caster soon.

Totally baseless.


... because the majority of the community really cares about pointless drama?

I sure the hell hope not.

ty.
This thread =/= the entire community.


You realize the majority of the community in SC2 only watches tournaments and doesn't keep track of pointless drama right?

Do you really want a survey done to prove this? Odds are those who don't answer the survey are going to be those exact people who don't give a fuck, like myself.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Slapshot
Profile Joined January 2012
95 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 06:42:07
March 11 2012 06:41 GMT
#3332
On March 11 2012 15:34 Silvertine wrote:

Calling people 'niggers' is racism, no matter how hard that is for you to get through your head.



Doesn't it occur to you that the fact that you are one of the few to repeatedly mention this may have something to do with the fact that it is nonsense in Orbs case?
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 07:11:04
March 11 2012 07:01 GMT
#3333
On March 11 2012 15:34 Silvertine wrote:
Show nested quote +
I call my friends "faggot" all the time as a friendly gesture. It's immature and stupid, I'm sorry

I'm glad you at least realize how stupid it is.

It's more silly and immature, not so stupid actually.

And we come back to the initial point: It doesn't matter whether you are truly a homophobe or a racist, you can still say something that's homophobic or racist.

And this matters how? It offends people who shouldn't get offended anyway? Why are they offended? Because of their silly misconceptions? That's not my concern. I use the words I use in good faith, and if people dislike that, they can fuck off.

Note: I don't use the word "nigger" because I don't care for the flak that it would bring me. It's importance in modern society is over-inflated, and that's why we're talking about it now. We're a bunch of gazelles, trembling in fear because of a word. It's unusable because of this big, arbitrary taboo that this society built around it.

It doesn't matter whether you personally want to use it as a general insult or not, the fact is that it has never been and is not now considered a general insult by the massive majority of the population. That is how language becomes defined. A couple of immature morons throwing a racial slur around does not change its meaning.

Well then you're free to judge people who do if you feel that way. But really you're the one who's wrong. You're so shallow that you don't define people by their feelings and their sentiments, instead you define them by their vocabulary. You're truly no different than the people who judge others by their appearance, disregarding what's important - which is what's inside. Sounds cheesy, but you truly are being superficial.

Calling people 'niggers' is racism, no matter how hard that is for you to get through your head.

You made a statement and I disagree with it. I could spew out the words "Matt you're such a nigger" playfully and it wouldn't be racism. If you think it is, then you don't know what racism is. Racism is a sentiment, it's hatred. Words are our means of expressing ourselves, and you don't get to dictate how language should be used.

Good night =)
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
RajaF
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada530 Posts
March 11 2012 07:12 GMT
#3334
On March 11 2012 14:57 MaestroSC wrote:
this thread just shows how many people are not full fledge members of the workforce.

Casting was a job for Orb.

Walk into your job and start swearing/using racial slurs, see how long you are employed. Especially in a position where you will be representing your entire company. Good luck keeping your job.

I dont want to get into a debate about the psychology of words and their connotative and denotative meanings, but I just think it's one of those things, where if you want to be a representative or voice of an organization you have to remember that in all of your actions, because people will look for moments of weakness or reasons to remove you from your position.

IDK I think it sucks for Orb cause it happened before he had the position, but at the same time Evil Geniuses revolves around maintaining their sponsorships and keeping their sponsors happy, and they cant afford negative attention that might cost them their livelihood.

Agreed with post above mine. +1


But that is the thing that most people like you do not get. Orb did not walk into the job and start using racial slurs. He used one on his private stream, way before he was ever affiliated with EG.

Frankly he should be looking into hiring himself a lawyer and suing EG for breach of contract and wrongful dismissal.
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 07:14:28
March 11 2012 07:12 GMT
#3335
On March 11 2012 15:40 stevarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 15:28 Jojo131 wrote:
On March 11 2012 15:24 stevarius wrote:
On March 11 2012 15:03 Silvertine wrote:
On March 11 2012 15:01 Djzapz wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:41 Silvertine wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:20 Djzapz wrote:
The intention behind it is not necessarily racist, and shouldn't always be treated as such.

the Jews control everything and are ruining the world

Now you know why intention matters bro.




On March 11 2012 14:50 Slapshot wrote:
A lot of people in this topic agree this was an overreaction on EG's part, it seems a vocal minority was once gain succesful in forcing through their opinion and moral values. Hopefully Orb finds a new job as a caster soon.

Totally baseless.


... because the majority of the community really cares about pointless drama?

I sure the hell hope not.

ty.
This thread =/= the entire community.


You realize the majority of the community in SC2 only watches tournaments and doesn't keep track of pointless drama right?

Do you really want a survey done to prove this? Odds are those who don't answer the survey are going to be those exact people who don't give a fuck, like myself.

I'm not sure if you quoted the right guy, or if there's a misunderstanding, I'm in total agreement with you.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
March 11 2012 07:18 GMT
#3336
On March 11 2012 16:01 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 15:34 Silvertine wrote:
I call my friends "faggot" all the time as a friendly gesture. It's immature and stupid, I'm sorry

I'm glad you at least realize how stupid it is.

It's more silly and immature, not so stupid actually.

Show nested quote +
And we come back to the initial point: It doesn't matter whether you are truly a homophobe or a racist, you can still say something that's homophobic or racist.

And this matters how? It offends people who shouldn't get offended anyway? Why are they offended? Because of their silly misconceptions? That's not my concern. I use the words I use in good faith, and if people dislike that, they can fuck off.

Note: I don't use the word "nigger" because I don't care for the flak that it would bring me. It's importance in modern society is over-inflated, and that's why we're talking about it now. We're a bunch of gazelles, trembling in fear because of a word. It's unusable because of this big, arbitrary taboo that this society built around it.

Show nested quote +
It doesn't matter whether you personally want to use it as a general insult or not, the fact is that it has never been and is not now considered a general insult by the massive majority of the population. That is how language becomes defined. A couple of immature morons throwing a racial slur around does not change its meaning.

Well then you're free to judge people who do if you feel that way. But really you're the one who's wrong. You're so shallow that you don't define people by their feelings and their sentiments, instead you define them by their vocabulary. You're truly no different than the people who judge others by their appearance, disregarding what's important - which is what's inside. Sounds cheesy, but you truly are being superficial.

Show nested quote +
Calling people 'niggers' is racism, no matter how hard that is for you to get through your head.

You made a statement and I disagree with it. I could spew out the words "Matt you're such a nigger" playfully and it wouldn't be racism. If you think it is, then you don't know what racism is. Racism is a sentiment, it's hatred. Words are our means of expressing ourselves, and you don't get to dictate how language should be used.


No offense but the more you write the more you make yourself sound like a fucking idiot.

I call my friends "faggot" all the time as a friendly gesture. It's immature and stupid, I'm sorry

I'm glad you at least realize how stupid it is. [/QUOTE]
It's more silly and immature, not so stupid actually.

And we come back to the initial point: It doesn't matter whether you are truly a homophobe or a racist, you can still say something that's homophobic or racist.

And this matters how? It offends people who shouldn't get offended anyway? Why are they offended? Because of their silly misconceptions? That's not my concern. I use the words I use in good faith, and if people dislike that, they can fuck off.
[/QUOTE]

How the fucks a powerful word a misconception? Please give me a sentence correctly showing how you could use the word "nigger" in good faith because the evidence you provided was extremely retarded. Fact is, you can't.

We're a bunch of gazelles, trembling in fear because of a word. It's unusable because of this big, arbitrary taboo that this society built around it.


No, it's because that word had actions that followed it. Very violent actions during a violent time for a person of a specific race. Therefore, it's only use is for being disrespectful to that certain person.


You made a statement and I disagree with it. I could spew out the words "Matt you're such a nigger" playfully and it wouldn't be racism. If you think it is, then you don't know what racism is. Racism is a sentiment, it's hatred. Words are our means of expressing ourselves, and you don't get to dictate how language should be used.


More idiocy at work. Okay, so please explain what you mean when you say "Matt you're a nigger". First off, give me your definition of "nigger" because no matter how you use it; it's racist.
jnsjr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States461 Posts
March 11 2012 07:25 GMT
#3337
On March 11 2012 16:12 RajaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 14:57 MaestroSC wrote:
this thread just shows how many people are not full fledge members of the workforce.

Casting was a job for Orb.

Walk into your job and start swearing/using racial slurs, see how long you are employed. Especially in a position where you will be representing your entire company. Good luck keeping your job.

I dont want to get into a debate about the psychology of words and their connotative and denotative meanings, but I just think it's one of those things, where if you want to be a representative or voice of an organization you have to remember that in all of your actions, because people will look for moments of weakness or reasons to remove you from your position.

IDK I think it sucks for Orb cause it happened before he had the position, but at the same time Evil Geniuses revolves around maintaining their sponsorships and keeping their sponsors happy, and they cant afford negative attention that might cost them their livelihood.

Agreed with post above mine. +1


But that is the thing that most people like you do not get. Orb did not walk into the job and start using racial slurs. He used one on his private stream, way before he was ever affiliated with EG.

Frankly he should be looking into hiring himself a lawyer and suing EG for breach of contract and wrongful dismissal.


And the thing that people like you do not get is in these types of employment cases, it will not matter. Your past actions previous to employment, if they are made public and can be substantiated, can absolutely lead to dismissal from your current job. There is no breach of contract and no wrongful dismissal. Wrongful dismissal/termination is a specific legal concept (not going to explain), and frankly, I don't see what legal right is being violated or why the dismissal is wrongful. I'm not sure why people think otherwise. You think EG's employment lawyers or consultants didn't ok this before it went through?
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BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
March 11 2012 07:33 GMT
#3338
On March 11 2012 16:25 jnsjr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 16:12 RajaF wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:57 MaestroSC wrote:
this thread just shows how many people are not full fledge members of the workforce.

Casting was a job for Orb.

Walk into your job and start swearing/using racial slurs, see how long you are employed. Especially in a position where you will be representing your entire company. Good luck keeping your job.

I dont want to get into a debate about the psychology of words and their connotative and denotative meanings, but I just think it's one of those things, where if you want to be a representative or voice of an organization you have to remember that in all of your actions, because people will look for moments of weakness or reasons to remove you from your position.

IDK I think it sucks for Orb cause it happened before he had the position, but at the same time Evil Geniuses revolves around maintaining their sponsorships and keeping their sponsors happy, and they cant afford negative attention that might cost them their livelihood.

Agreed with post above mine. +1


But that is the thing that most people like you do not get. Orb did not walk into the job and start using racial slurs. He used one on his private stream, way before he was ever affiliated with EG.

Frankly he should be looking into hiring himself a lawyer and suing EG for breach of contract and wrongful dismissal.


And the thing that people like you do not get is in these types of employment cases, it will not matter. Your past actions previous to employment, if they are made public and can be substantiated, can absolutely lead to dismissal from your current job. There is no breach of contract and no wrongful dismissal. Wrongful dismissal/termination is a specific legal concept (not going to explain), and frankly, I don't see what legal right is being violated or why the dismissal is wrongful. I'm not sure why people think otherwise. You think EG's employment lawyers or consultants didn't ok this before it went through?



@RajaF

Orbs stream wasn't private lol
g0rthaur
Profile Joined January 2012
United States4 Posts
March 11 2012 07:35 GMT
#3339
I add this only to give my own thoughts. Obviously, there seem to be strong emotions surrounding this issue. so: I think Orb is a great caster and his dismissal is a huge overreaction. I dislike the current preoccupation in America (and maybe elsewhere?) with words, not actions. I don't care what word people use. My initial reaction was to boycott EG events, but I realized I would cave eventually : ) Bottom line: I wish everyone would just relax on these sorts of issues. I realize this is not likely.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
March 11 2012 07:44 GMT
#3340
On March 11 2012 16:35 g0rthaur wrote:
I add this only to give my own thoughts. Obviously, there seem to be strong emotions surrounding this issue. so: I think Orb is a great caster and his dismissal is a huge overreaction. I dislike the current preoccupation in America (and maybe elsewhere?) with words, not actions. I don't care what word people use. My initial reaction was to boycott EG events, but I realized I would cave eventually : ) Bottom line: I wish everyone would just relax on these sorts of issues. I realize this is not likely.


Of course you think the dismissal is a huge overreaction you even said yourself "I don't care what word people use". The situation isn't about "you" or what "you" think. It's about a racist word which Orb used and was fired because of it. He could have avoided using that word and there are a million other words Orb could have used in it's place but he chose that specific word especially when the sentence didn't even make sense.

Orb: "you ain't your nigger tactics".

Really?

And did you seriously just say "boycott" EG events? Seriously lmao stop being so damn dramatic. What EG is doing is trying to help the growth of SC2 by hosting "PROFESSIONAL" events with a "PROFESSIONAL" staff. If you don't fit the bill then your out.
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