Orb Dismissed from Evil Geniuses Broadcasts - Page 167

On March 11 2012 14:41 Silvertine wrote:

the Jews control everything and are ruining the world

On March 11 2012 15:01 Djzapz wrote:

Now you know why intention matters bro.

On March 11 2012 14:50 Slapshot wrote:
A lot of people in this topic agree this was an overreaction on EG's part, it seems a vocal minority was once gain succesful in forcing through their opinion and moral values. Hopefully Orb finds a new job as a caster soon.

On March 11 2012 15:03 Silvertine wrote:

That's not intention that's context.

It really seems like you don't understand what these words mean.

On March 11 2012 15:07 Djzapz wrote:

But you're the one who's saying that regardless of intention, when "hurtful" words are uttered, they're always racist.

You said something racist, but you didn't mean it, as we can pick up from context.

On March 11 2012 15:12 Silvertine wrote:

I never said that.


No, I didn't.

I understand the point you're trying to make but it happens to be entirely irrelevant in this case. Orb wasn't speaking of the word, he wasn't quoting somebody. He was using it himself as an insult.

On March 11 2012 15:03 Silvertine wrote:





Totally baseless.

On March 11 2012 15:24 stevarius wrote:


... because the majority of the community really cares about pointless drama?

I sure the hell hope not.

On March 11 2012 14:41 Silvertine wrote:

Intention is absolutely irrelevant. You can't go on about how the Jews control everything and are ruining the world and then say "I didn't intend to be anti-Semitic". When you call someone a racist term, especially as an insult, you are being racist. It doesn't matter whether you're actually a racist or not.


Wow... just wow. You begin by stating that there is a distinction between 'nigga' and 'nigger' and then you act as if there isn't one. Those people you're responding to specifically said that you would get attacked for ending it with an 'r', not an 'a'.

I call my friends "faggot" all the time as a friendly gesture. It's immature and stupid, I'm sorry

f I were drunk and I was feeling very playful, I may call one of my friends a "nigger". It could hypothetically go like this: "Haha Matt, you're such a nigger!". And yet I'm not racist or homophobic, quite the contrary.

Am I expressing hatred of black people and homosexuals, or am I just goofing or expressing anger in general? In this case, "nigger" can be used as a general derogatory label, used simply for its offensive value.

So we're punishing someone because of vocabulary when the thing which truly damages society is racism. Not fucking harmless vocabulary.

On March 11 2012 15:03 Silvertine wrote:

Totally baseless.

On March 11 2012 15:28 Jojo131 wrote:

ty.
This thread =/= the entire community.

On March 11 2012 15:34 Silvertine wrote:

Calling people 'niggers' is racism, no matter how hard that is for you to get through your head.

On March 11 2012 15:34 Silvertine wrote:

I'm glad you at least realize how stupid it is.

And we come back to the initial point: It doesn't matter whether you are truly a homophobe or a racist, you can still say something that's homophobic or racist.

It doesn't matter whether you personally want to use it as a general insult or not, the fact is that it has never been and is not now considered a general insult by the massive majority of the population. That is how language becomes defined. A couple of immature morons throwing a racial slur around does not change its meaning.

Calling people 'niggers' is racism, no matter how hard that is for you to get through your head.

On March 11 2012 14:57 MaestroSC wrote:
this thread just shows how many people are not full fledge members of the workforce.

Casting was a job for Orb.

Walk into your job and start swearing/using racial slurs, see how long you are employed. Especially in a position where you will be representing your entire company. Good luck keeping your job.

I dont want to get into a debate about the psychology of words and their connotative and denotative meanings, but I just think it's one of those things, where if you want to be a representative or voice of an organization you have to remember that in all of your actions, because people will look for moments of weakness or reasons to remove you from your position.

IDK I think it sucks for Orb cause it happened before he had the position, but at the same time Evil Geniuses revolves around maintaining their sponsorships and keeping their sponsors happy, and they cant afford negative attention that might cost them their livelihood.

Agreed with post above mine. +1

On March 11 2012 15:40 stevarius wrote:


You realize the majority of the community in SC2 only watches tournaments and doesn't keep track of pointless drama right?

Do you really want a survey done to prove this? Odds are those who don't answer the survey are going to be those exact people who don't give a fuck, like myself.

On March 11 2012 16:01 Djzapz wrote:

It's more silly and immature, not so stupid actually.


And this matters how? It offends people who shouldn't get offended anyway? Why are they offended? Because of their silly misconceptions? That's not my concern. I use the words I use in good faith, and if people dislike that, they can fuck off.

Note: I don't use the word "nigger" because I don't care for the flak that it would bring me. It's importance in modern society is over-inflated, and that's why we're talking about it now. We're a bunch of gazelles, trembling in fear because of a word. It's unusable because of this big, arbitrary taboo that this society built around it.


Well then you're free to judge people who do if you feel that way. But really you're the one who's wrong. You're so shallow that you don't define people by their feelings and their sentiments, instead you define them by their vocabulary. You're truly no different than the people who judge others by their appearance, disregarding what's important - which is what's inside. Sounds cheesy, but you truly are being superficial.


You made a statement and I disagree with it. I could spew out the words "Matt you're such a nigger" playfully and it wouldn't be racism. If you think it is, then you don't know what racism is. Racism is a sentiment, it's hatred. Words are our means of expressing ourselves, and you don't get to dictate how language should be used.

I call my friends "faggot" all the time as a friendly gesture. It's immature and stupid, I'm sorry

And we come back to the initial point: It doesn't matter whether you are truly a homophobe or a racist, you can still say something that's homophobic or racist.

We're a bunch of gazelles, trembling in fear because of a word. It's unusable because of this big, arbitrary taboo that this society built around it.

You made a statement and I disagree with it. I could spew out the words "Matt you're such a nigger" playfully and it wouldn't be racism. If you think it is, then you don't know what racism is. Racism is a sentiment, it's hatred. Words are our means of expressing ourselves, and you don't get to dictate how language should be used.

On March 11 2012 16:12 RajaF wrote:


But that is the thing that most people like you do not get. Orb did not walk into the job and start using racial slurs. He used one on his private stream, way before he was ever affiliated with EG.

Frankly he should be looking into hiring himself a lawyer and suing EG for breach of contract and wrongful dismissal.

On March 11 2012 16:25 jnsjr wrote:


And the thing that people like you do not get is in these types of employment cases, it will not matter. Your past actions previous to employment, if they are made public and can be substantiated, can absolutely lead to dismissal from your current job. There is no breach of contract and no wrongful dismissal. Wrongful dismissal/termination is a specific legal concept (not going to explain), and frankly, I don't see what legal right is being violated or why the dismissal is wrongful. I'm not sure why people think otherwise. You think EG's employment lawyers or consultants didn't ok this before it went through?

On March 11 2012 16:35 g0rthaur wrote:
I add this only to give my own thoughts. Obviously, there seem to be strong emotions surrounding this issue. so: I think Orb is a great caster and his dismissal is a huge overreaction. I dislike the current preoccupation in America (and maybe elsewhere?) with words, not actions. I don't care what word people use. My initial reaction was to boycott EG events, but I realized I would cave eventually : ) Bottom line: I wish everyone would just relax on these sorts of issues. I realize this is not likely.