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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST |
On March 10 2012 15:28 iloveAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:12 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:07 Defacer wrote:On March 10 2012 14:53 Djzapz wrote:On March 10 2012 14:31 Defacer wrote:On March 10 2012 13:37 Djzapz wrote:On March 10 2012 13:26 Defacer wrote:On March 10 2012 12:34 Djzapz wrote:
Perhaps one day, we woke up in the morning wondering "what the hell should we hate? that's it - nigger is an unbelievably offensive word". Oh we don't talk about that, that's dark history. Meanwhile the few descendants of the Aztecs that we ALLOWED to live, well they're tucked away from "us". They didn't have the means to get us to hate racism against them. So instead of being outraged about that, we're just passive about it.
Hypocrites. A fucking word spawned 150 pages. A word. It's sick. I rewrote your paragraph: "The fact that we have chosen to hate the word "nigger", and what it represents, is arbitrary. The Western world has a long and dark history of enslavement, murder and mass genocide -- such as the Aztecs, an entire civilization we wiped out with very few survivors. Where is the moral outrage? There is none -- they don't have the means to victimize themselves because they're all dead. So we're passive about it. We ignore this injustice." Is this what you're trying to say, lazy pants? Well almost. Mine had character though. Still, strange that you chose to dismiss it - you do understand it. That said, the descendants of indigenous people are still around, they just don't have lobbies to make us realize how shitty we've been and still are to them. It's even worse, perhaps much worse than how black people were treated. I made that example just to show how artificial is the stigma around the word "nigger", but it also brings up another questions, doesn't it? Saying that people shouldn't be outraged because a) other people have a greater right to be outraged, but have failed to communicate it or b) there other things to be outraged about, and if you're not outraged about everything equally your being disingenuous is just a silly argument. Ex: A woman gets routinely sexually harassed at work, and her and her co-workers goes to her boss to complain. The boss retorts, "But people get raped in African regimes everyday. What's about those people?" Come on, man. Is there a stigma around the word nigger, and racism against Black People? Yes. It's it unfair that other forms of discrimination are less or poorly represented? Yes. Should people do something about that? Of course. Should people do less about racism against Blacks or be less offended? No. I don't think you're crazy, but your quest for some form of perfect, intellectual purity and integrity is leading to weird conclusions. First let me clarify my opinion. I view "racism against black people" and the word "nigger" as distinct issues. Whereas racism against black people is always very bad, the word "nigger", when used with no racist sentiment, is not an event worthy of 150+ pages. I disagree with the conclusion that you give to the problem I'm presenting. I've made the same argument you're making many times, and it's true - just because bigger problems exist does not mean that we should ignore* the "smaller" problems. However, I'm not saying that racism against black people should be ignored because racism against Amerindians is a bigger issue, far from that. I'm saying that the stigma around the word "nigger" should be reduced. The point of the comparison was not to trivialize racism, my intention was to trivialize the word by demonstrating why it's such a loaded term - and wrongly so. Lastly, I think it's strange of you to say that American natives have "failed to communicate" their problems. Aren't we the ones who are failing to recognize the problems of a population against which we literally committed genocide. Let's not forget that after committing genocide, we made sure to keep them down. So how would they succeed at communicating their problem according to you - should they beg some more? What would we say again? My guess: Sorry, it's recession time - it's tough. We killed enough of you that you don't have any political power. Enjoy the brand new highway. I don't think the word nigger should be trivialized. Or Chink. Or faggot. Or whatever historically offensive term. Personally, I have no taste for this new-fangled fashion to try to co-opt these slurs for little to no reason. If anything, it doesn't mitigate the impact of the word to those it offends, it just makes the word more pervasive and provide some kind of false amnesty for people that enjoy the taboo of using them. I'm not going to disagree that it's everyones responsibility to fight against inequity and persecution, and it's a shame. But then again, I'm not sure how the world's injustices are relevant to 'the injustice' of Orb getting fired. So really, the only thing we disagree on is whether the word 'nigger' is a big deal. I say it is, particularly in the manner that Orb used it, and you can't just disassociate from it's use to discriminate against Blacks. You say it 'kind of' is, but isn't there a whole other whack a shit that's just as offensive? cracker honky whitey white trash Yaknow what those words have in common? They are racist terms for white people that everybody knows is supposed to be offensive. You know what else? Nobody really gives a shit if you call them any of these words. Personally I rather like that as a white person a fucking word doesn't have that kind of power over me. Maybe thats a perk only white people get though. We run the fucking world. We couldn't care less what everyone calls us
We run the world? Is that you and me Johnny?
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On March 10 2012 15:23 Defacer wrote:
It's a perk that the winning team gets, yes.
Nice to see that you're so open with denying black people things that white people get. Cheers.
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On March 10 2012 15:31 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:23 Defacer wrote:
It's a perk that the winning team gets, yes.
Nice to see that you're so open with denying black people things that white people get. Cheers.
What is he denying black people? The right to be called "nigger" and not be hurt by it?
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On March 10 2012 15:33 iloveAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:31 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:23 Defacer wrote:
It's a perk that the winning team gets, yes.
Nice to see that you're so open with denying black people things that white people get. Cheers. What is he denying black people? The right to be called "nigger" and not be hurt by it?
The ability to not be controlled by a word, and yes this is about control. If you don't think the ability to instantly piss somebody off by uttering a single word is not a way to control them then I don't know what to tell you.
EDIT: I'll explain this further actually, were you ever teased by somebody as a child? Do you know why children are usually told to ignore bullies? It's because most bullies are going on power trips, your negative reaction only feeds it. (see internet trolls) What happens when you don't give a fuck? Suddenly you take that form of control away from them and give it back to yourself.
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On March 10 2012 15:33 iloveAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:31 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:23 Defacer wrote:
It's a perk that the winning team gets, yes.
Nice to see that you're so open with denying black people things that white people get. Cheers. What is he denying black people? The right to be called "nigger" and not be hurt by it?
Don't you know that control the minds and hearts of all Black people? And I'm denying them the dignity of being insulted?
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On March 10 2012 15:01 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 14:53 LamaMitHut wrote:
why is idra allowed to say stuff like "He is french-canadian ! so he´s gonna fast expand into stupid zealot timing into something else GAY"?
Getting rid of Orb and keeping Idra is the joke of the century IMO. I was watching IdrA live one day when he said something like "I have nothing against Canadians, but French-Canadians, I don't know, something's off about them." He seemed pretty disgusted with us French-Canadians. My mom is one of those filthy things, apparently. That's full blown racism (against me) - although frankly I didn't care very much. That said, it's much, much worse than using the word "nigger" with no racist intention.
You are totally right. IMO Idra _IS_ a racist, too. In addition he uses "fag" and "retard" as an insult, which is UNACCEPTABLE!
EG is supporting racism with this, because they show: if you are important, it does not matter if you are a racist. if you are unimportant to us, we can make an example of you...
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On March 10 2012 15:35 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:33 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:31 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:23 Defacer wrote:
It's a perk that the winning team gets, yes.
Nice to see that you're so open with denying black people things that white people get. Cheers. What is he denying black people? The right to be called "nigger" and not be hurt by it? The ability to not be controlled by a word, and yes this is about control. If you don't think the ability to instantly piss somebody off by uttering a single word is not a way to control them then I don't know what to tell you.
Don't worry. I'm teaching all the Black people in the world how to cannon rush so they can control other people.
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On March 10 2012 15:36 Defacer wrote:
Don't you know that control the minds and hearts of all Black people? And I'm denying them the dignity of being insulted?
Who has more control in this situation
Two men are standing next to each other. The first man calls the other man an asshole. The second man becomes angry and calls the first man a douche in response. The first man does not give a fuck what the second man said and is able to walk away afterwards and have a great day. Meanwhile the angry man spends his entire day focusing on this argument he had earlier.
I just think words shouldn't have such negative power over people, and I never said it rules over all black people(which I do believe is what you're saying in that first bit) In fact because that's not the case (as clearly demonstrated by the black posters we have that weighed in on the conversation so far) we should understand that this is not a big enough deal to cost a man his livelihood.
On March 10 2012 15:40 Defacer wrote:
Don't worry. I'm teaching all the Black people in the world how to cannon rush so they can control other people.
That's a cute way of twisting things. Lets look at it from another angle
the current situation is this regarding the word nigger
A: it absolutely controls all black people and sends them into a fit of rage that is uncontrollable. If this is the case then it would actually be understandable why we would so actively need to avoid the word Voldemort(ooops sorry wrong forbidden word there. Now that I think about it wasn't that something that made harry potter so different from everybody else in the books? Because he wasn't afraid of a word/name)
B: It's a word that some people find offensive and others don't. If this is the case than I guess we should ban words all curse words because there are many many people that find them offensive
C: black people generally don't care when people use the term nigger unless in a specific context. Well orb is then being fired out of political correctness. Not because he actually got anybody angry.
I just think its sad that people constantly remind people that they should instantly become extremely offended if anybody speaks the word. Especially when those people tend to be white.
P.S. food for thought, what do you think was more offensive to opponent of Orb in the game? The fact that he called him a nigger or the fact that he lifted all his buildings and flew away while going afk? I know what would annoy me more.
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On March 10 2012 15:35 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:33 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:31 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:23 Defacer wrote:
It's a perk that the winning team gets, yes.
Nice to see that you're so open with denying black people things that white people get. Cheers. What is he denying black people? The right to be called "nigger" and not be hurt by it? The ability to not be controlled by a word, and yes this is about control. If you don't think the ability to instantly piss somebody off by uttering a single word is not a way to control them then I don't know what to tell you. EDIT: I'll explain this further actually, were you ever teased by somebody as a child? Do you know why children are usually told to ignore bullies? It's because most bullies are going on power trips, your negative reaction only feeds it. (see internet trolls) What happens when you don't give a fuck? Suddenly you take that form of control away from them and give it back to yourself.
So if a bully is taking your lunch money everyday you should just ignore it and let him? I'd bust his nose. You're right about the bullies though, they're usually pussies
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On March 10 2012 15:46 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:36 Defacer wrote:
Don't you know that control the minds and hearts of all Black people? And I'm denying them the dignity of being insulted? Who has more control in this situation Two men are standing next to each other. The first man calls the other man an asshole. The second man becomes angry and calls the first man a douche in response. The first man does not give a fuck what the second man said and is able to walk away afterwards and have a great day. Meanwhile the angry man spends his entire day focusing on this argument he had earlier. I just think words shouldn't have such negative power over people, and I never said it rules over all black people(which I do believe is what you're saying in that first bit) In fact because that's not the case (as clearly demonstrated by the black posters we have that weighed in on the conversation so far) we should understand that this is not a big enough deal to cost a man his livelihood.
I know what you mean and I agree its not healthy to get bent out of shape about every little thing said to you.
But don't you agree that the first man shouldn't just go around calling people assholes?
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On March 10 2012 15:47 iloveAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:35 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:33 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:31 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:23 Defacer wrote:
It's a perk that the winning team gets, yes.
Nice to see that you're so open with denying black people things that white people get. Cheers. What is he denying black people? The right to be called "nigger" and not be hurt by it? The ability to not be controlled by a word, and yes this is about control. If you don't think the ability to instantly piss somebody off by uttering a single word is not a way to control them then I don't know what to tell you. EDIT: I'll explain this further actually, were you ever teased by somebody as a child? Do you know why children are usually told to ignore bullies? It's because most bullies are going on power trips, your negative reaction only feeds it. (see internet trolls) What happens when you don't give a fuck? Suddenly you take that form of control away from them and give it back to yourself. So if a bully is taking your lunch money everyday you should just ignore it and let him? I'd bust his nose. You're right about the bullies though, they're usually pussies
Words are not physical actions, by your logic saying the word nigger is the same as forming a mob and lynching somebody.
On March 10 2012 15:53 iloveAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:46 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:36 Defacer wrote:
Don't you know that control the minds and hearts of all Black people? And I'm denying them the dignity of being insulted? Who has more control in this situation Two men are standing next to each other. The first man calls the other man an asshole. The second man becomes angry and calls the first man a douche in response. The first man does not give a fuck what the second man said and is able to walk away afterwards and have a great day. Meanwhile the angry man spends his entire day focusing on this argument he had earlier. I just think words shouldn't have such negative power over people, and I never said it rules over all black people(which I do believe is what you're saying in that first bit) In fact because that's not the case (as clearly demonstrated by the black posters we have that weighed in on the conversation so far) we should understand that this is not a big enough deal to cost a man his livelihood. I know what you mean and I agree its not healthy to get bent out of shape about every little thing said to you. But don't you agree that the first man shouldn't just go around calling people assholes?
In a perfect world yes, but we do not live in a perfect world. A more effective method of dealing with him is to make it so the word asshole is not offensive. How long do you think that guy will continue to go around randomly calling people assholes if everybody shrugs it off?
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On March 10 2012 15:46 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:36 Defacer wrote:
Don't you know that control the minds and hearts of all Black people? And I'm denying them the dignity of being insulted? Who has more control in this situation Two men are standing next to each other. The first man calls the other man an asshole. The second man becomes angry and calls the first man a douche in response. The first man does not give a fuck what the second man said and is able to walk away afterwards and have a great day. Meanwhile the angry man spends his entire day focusing on this argument he had earlier. I just think words shouldn't have such negative power over people, and I never said it rules over all black people(which I do believe is what you're saying in that first bit) In fact because that's not the case (as clearly demonstrated by the black posters we have that weighed in on the conversation so far) we should understand that this is not a big enough deal to cost a man his livelihood.
We've officially jumped the shark o this thread. There is only three people left.
I'm not arguing that people shouldn't be in control of their emotions, or allow assholes to control them.
I'm defending people's right to be offended by offensive people. There's plenty of Black guys that have a racist encounter but then go about their day. And these same guys think to themselves, "Wow -- what a racist prick. I would never watch a SC2 cast with that guy."
Just because people have the dignity to not over-react doesn't mean that they are not offended, or make the person that crossed them less offensive.
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On March 10 2012 15:57 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:47 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:35 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:33 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:31 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:23 Defacer wrote:
It's a perk that the winning team gets, yes.
Nice to see that you're so open with denying black people things that white people get. Cheers. What is he denying black people? The right to be called "nigger" and not be hurt by it? The ability to not be controlled by a word, and yes this is about control. If you don't think the ability to instantly piss somebody off by uttering a single word is not a way to control them then I don't know what to tell you. EDIT: I'll explain this further actually, were you ever teased by somebody as a child? Do you know why children are usually told to ignore bullies? It's because most bullies are going on power trips, your negative reaction only feeds it. (see internet trolls) What happens when you don't give a fuck? Suddenly you take that form of control away from them and give it back to yourself. So if a bully is taking your lunch money everyday you should just ignore it and let him? I'd bust his nose. You're right about the bullies though, they're usually pussies Words are not physical actions, by your logic saying the word nigger is the same as forming a mob and lynching somebody.
I linked a video earlier, I lost it, but basically he said: be offended, nothing happens. "I was offended, then I went to bed and when I woke up I had leprosy"
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On March 10 2012 15:57 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:47 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:35 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:33 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:31 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:23 Defacer wrote:
It's a perk that the winning team gets, yes.
Nice to see that you're so open with denying black people things that white people get. Cheers. What is he denying black people? The right to be called "nigger" and not be hurt by it? The ability to not be controlled by a word, and yes this is about control. If you don't think the ability to instantly piss somebody off by uttering a single word is not a way to control them then I don't know what to tell you. EDIT: I'll explain this further actually, were you ever teased by somebody as a child? Do you know why children are usually told to ignore bullies? It's because most bullies are going on power trips, your negative reaction only feeds it. (see internet trolls) What happens when you don't give a fuck? Suddenly you take that form of control away from them and give it back to yourself. So if a bully is taking your lunch money everyday you should just ignore it and let him? I'd bust his nose. You're right about the bullies though, they're usually pussies Words are not physical actions, by your logic saying the word nigger is the same as forming a mob and lynching somebody.
I just took the bullying example a little beyond teasing.
If it was just teasing, yeah I guess ignoring it may make him stop. If ignoring the teasing doesn't make him stop you might have to tease him back to shut him up.
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On March 10 2012 16:01 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:46 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:36 Defacer wrote:
Don't you know that control the minds and hearts of all Black people? And I'm denying them the dignity of being insulted? Who has more control in this situation Two men are standing next to each other. The first man calls the other man an asshole. The second man becomes angry and calls the first man a douche in response. The first man does not give a fuck what the second man said and is able to walk away afterwards and have a great day. Meanwhile the angry man spends his entire day focusing on this argument he had earlier. I just think words shouldn't have such negative power over people, and I never said it rules over all black people(which I do believe is what you're saying in that first bit) In fact because that's not the case (as clearly demonstrated by the black posters we have that weighed in on the conversation so far) we should understand that this is not a big enough deal to cost a man his livelihood. We've officially jumped the shark o this thread. There is only three people left. I'm not arguing that people shouldn't be in control of their emotions, or allow assholes to control them. I'm defending people's right to be offended by offensive people. There's plenty of Black guys that have a racist encounter but then go about their day. And these same guys think to themselves, "Wow -- what a racist prick. I would never watch a SC2 cast with that guy." Just because people have the dignity to not over-react doesn't mean that they are not offended, or make the person that crossed them less offensive.
I agree that people have the right to be offended. I however do not believe that if you offend somebody else you should have your livelihood taken away. As an atheist that eats meat and has a few gay friends that idea does not bode well with me.
On March 10 2012 16:02 iloveAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:57 omnic wrote:
Words are not physical actions, by your logic saying the word nigger is the same as forming a mob and lynching somebody.
I just took the bullying example a little beyond teasing. If it was just teasing, yeah I guess ignoring it may make him stop. If ignoring the teasing doesn't make him stop you might have to tease him back to shut him up.
i'll tweak my statement then. Saying the word nigger is different than robbing a black person.
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On March 10 2012 15:57 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:47 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:35 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:33 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:31 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:23 Defacer wrote:
It's a perk that the winning team gets, yes.
Nice to see that you're so open with denying black people things that white people get. Cheers. What is he denying black people? The right to be called "nigger" and not be hurt by it? The ability to not be controlled by a word, and yes this is about control. If you don't think the ability to instantly piss somebody off by uttering a single word is not a way to control them then I don't know what to tell you. EDIT: I'll explain this further actually, were you ever teased by somebody as a child? Do you know why children are usually told to ignore bullies? It's because most bullies are going on power trips, your negative reaction only feeds it. (see internet trolls) What happens when you don't give a fuck? Suddenly you take that form of control away from them and give it back to yourself. So if a bully is taking your lunch money everyday you should just ignore it and let him? I'd bust his nose. You're right about the bullies though, they're usually pussies Words are not physical actions, by your logic saying the word nigger is the same as forming a mob and lynching somebody. Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:53 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:46 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:36 Defacer wrote:
Don't you know that control the minds and hearts of all Black people? And I'm denying them the dignity of being insulted? Who has more control in this situation Two men are standing next to each other. The first man calls the other man an asshole. The second man becomes angry and calls the first man a douche in response. The first man does not give a fuck what the second man said and is able to walk away afterwards and have a great day. Meanwhile the angry man spends his entire day focusing on this argument he had earlier. I just think words shouldn't have such negative power over people, and I never said it rules over all black people(which I do believe is what you're saying in that first bit) In fact because that's not the case (as clearly demonstrated by the black posters we have that weighed in on the conversation so far) we should understand that this is not a big enough deal to cost a man his livelihood. I know what you mean and I agree its not healthy to get bent out of shape about every little thing said to you. But don't you agree that the first man shouldn't just go around calling people assholes? In a perfect world yes, but we do not live in a perfect world. A more effective method of dealing with him is to make it so the word asshole is not offensive. How long do you think that guy will continue to go around randomly calling people assholes if everybody shrugs it off?
 You're talking about a PERFECT WORLD too! A world where the word "asshole" is no longer offensive. A world where no words are offensive. How long do you think it will take us to get there? I really don't think it's possible
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On March 10 2012 15:57 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:47 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:35 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:33 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:31 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:23 Defacer wrote:
It's a perk that the winning team gets, yes.
Nice to see that you're so open with denying black people things that white people get. Cheers. What is he denying black people? The right to be called "nigger" and not be hurt by it? The ability to not be controlled by a word, and yes this is about control. If you don't think the ability to instantly piss somebody off by uttering a single word is not a way to control them then I don't know what to tell you. EDIT: I'll explain this further actually, were you ever teased by somebody as a child? Do you know why children are usually told to ignore bullies? It's because most bullies are going on power trips, your negative reaction only feeds it. (see internet trolls) What happens when you don't give a fuck? Suddenly you take that form of control away from them and give it back to yourself. So if a bully is taking your lunch money everyday you should just ignore it and let him? I'd bust his nose. You're right about the bullies though, they're usually pussies Words are not physical actions, by your logic saying the word nigger is the same as forming a mob and lynching somebody. Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:53 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:46 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:36 Defacer wrote:
Don't you know that control the minds and hearts of all Black people? And I'm denying them the dignity of being insulted? Who has more control in this situation Two men are standing next to each other. The first man calls the other man an asshole. The second man becomes angry and calls the first man a douche in response. The first man does not give a fuck what the second man said and is able to walk away afterwards and have a great day. Meanwhile the angry man spends his entire day focusing on this argument he had earlier. I just think words shouldn't have such negative power over people, and I never said it rules over all black people(which I do believe is what you're saying in that first bit) In fact because that's not the case (as clearly demonstrated by the black posters we have that weighed in on the conversation so far) we should understand that this is not a big enough deal to cost a man his livelihood. I know what you mean and I agree its not healthy to get bent out of shape about every little thing said to you. But don't you agree that the first man shouldn't just go around calling people assholes? In a perfect world yes, but we do not live in a perfect world. A more effective method of dealing with him is to make it so the word asshole is not offensive. How long do you think that guy will continue to go around randomly calling people assholes if everybody shrugs it off?
That's why people use increasingly harsh words, which is why this whole thing happened in the first place. Maybe this word in question won't matter in the future, and people will start using death threats as insults. Shrug it off? I don't think so. This is not an enlightened path.
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On March 10 2012 16:05 iloveAthene wrote: You're talking about a PERFECT WORLD too! A world where the word "asshole" is no longer offensive. A world where no words are offensive. How long do you think it will take us to get there? I really don't think it's possible
No i'm talking about a method to deal with how humans interact and taking advantage of that to make things better. You can't control everybody 100% of the time, you can however build yourself up to having an immunity from their bullshit. This sort of thing will always take a long time though because of 2 reasons.
1: some people are just too set in their ways to really change how they think. (see a racist old person) We'll have to wait for them to die)
2: for some reason people believe that the best method to preventing this sort of thing is trying to control every single person on the planet 100% of the time. Which is impossible. Even if you did somehow manage to get everybody to play nice somewhere somebody is going to drink too much and get into a fight and suddenly you'll get a shitstorm.
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Orb is no different from anyone else, we are all vicious in our own ways. If those that sought to make an example out of him were truly different, they wouldn't have taken these actions. There are a lot of people involved with EG that had nothing to do with this situation, how does damaging their company's sponsorships affect them? And as for Orb himself, do you care about him learning or changing for the better, or just want to see him burn? The answer is obvious and the conclusion is that those that went after him have the same angry, viciousness inside them. Orb learned nothing; he says he did, but all he learned is to buy into the false image we keep supporting through fiascoes such as this. Now we can all go back to pretending we're more pious than the Orbs of the world, when in fact we're only becoming more passive and unsure in how to express ourselves individually because our true selves are obscured so that we don't become excommunicated by our judgmental peers.
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On March 10 2012 16:05 iloveAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 15:57 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:47 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:35 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:33 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:31 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:23 Defacer wrote:
It's a perk that the winning team gets, yes.
Nice to see that you're so open with denying black people things that white people get. Cheers. What is he denying black people? The right to be called "nigger" and not be hurt by it? The ability to not be controlled by a word, and yes this is about control. If you don't think the ability to instantly piss somebody off by uttering a single word is not a way to control them then I don't know what to tell you. EDIT: I'll explain this further actually, were you ever teased by somebody as a child? Do you know why children are usually told to ignore bullies? It's because most bullies are going on power trips, your negative reaction only feeds it. (see internet trolls) What happens when you don't give a fuck? Suddenly you take that form of control away from them and give it back to yourself. So if a bully is taking your lunch money everyday you should just ignore it and let him? I'd bust his nose. You're right about the bullies though, they're usually pussies Words are not physical actions, by your logic saying the word nigger is the same as forming a mob and lynching somebody. On March 10 2012 15:53 iloveAthene wrote:On March 10 2012 15:46 omnic wrote:On March 10 2012 15:36 Defacer wrote:
Don't you know that control the minds and hearts of all Black people? And I'm denying them the dignity of being insulted? Who has more control in this situation Two men are standing next to each other. The first man calls the other man an asshole. The second man becomes angry and calls the first man a douche in response. The first man does not give a fuck what the second man said and is able to walk away afterwards and have a great day. Meanwhile the angry man spends his entire day focusing on this argument he had earlier. I just think words shouldn't have such negative power over people, and I never said it rules over all black people(which I do believe is what you're saying in that first bit) In fact because that's not the case (as clearly demonstrated by the black posters we have that weighed in on the conversation so far) we should understand that this is not a big enough deal to cost a man his livelihood. I know what you mean and I agree its not healthy to get bent out of shape about every little thing said to you. But don't you agree that the first man shouldn't just go around calling people assholes? In a perfect world yes, but we do not live in a perfect world. A more effective method of dealing with him is to make it so the word asshole is not offensive. How long do you think that guy will continue to go around randomly calling people assholes if everybody shrugs it off? You're talking about a PERFECT WORLD too! A world where the word "asshole" is no longer offensive. A world where no words are offensive. How long do you think it will take us to get there? I really don't think it's possible
The world does not have to be perfect for a specific word to stop being offensive (or to become less offensive at least). "Asshole" is a pretty tough one to fix but in the case of "Nigger", in my opinion we can bring it back down to somewhere reasonable, where you don't want to call people that, but it's acceptable* to use it when you're angry.
Louis C.K on how much he hates deer: "I'm glad you're dead you idiot, I hope your deer wife finds you dead and dies of a broken heart, hope your deer babies starve to death - you broke my mirror you faggot cunt nigger deer"
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