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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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Vanishes
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Tbones
United States7 Posts
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Seldentar
United States888 Posts
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silentsod
United States198 Posts
On March 10 2012 12:57 Djzapz wrote: "Polite society". Hah, that's kind of a funny way to put it, given that being polite and having good manners requires a large part of acting talent. How are you? Good. Yourself. Good too. Smile even though you're tired or you feel sad. Use specific words when talking to older people. Don't ever act like yourself around your boss or your girlfriend's straight-arrow parents. We'll be better off when all that bullshit will be behind us. It has been accepted that the word "nigger" is ALWAYS bad, by a society of extremely talented liars, who hide a vast majority of their personality most of the time. That's just great, I want to be part of this. No, it doesn't require acting talent it requires character. Some day you might learn the difference. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On March 10 2012 14:00 silentsod wrote: No, it doesn't require acting talent it requires character. Some day you might learn the difference. lol, keep telling yourself that it's character that makes people so fake the second they step outside of their house. | ||
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silentsod
United States198 Posts
On March 10 2012 14:03 Djzapz wrote: lol, keep telling yourself that it's character that makes people so fake the second they step outside of their house. I behave the same in public, private, and on the internet. Why are you assuming people put on a show the minute they step outside their door? | ||
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
On March 10 2012 13:30 omnic wrote: Good job bro, it's a shame your post is redundant because the only person that couldn't understand it was you. No, I'm pretty sure I disagree with the guy you're arguing with but I also had no idea what you were trying to say. | ||
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SnuggleZhenya
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On March 10 2012 13:57 Vanishes wrote: This is a joke. Incontrol and Idra are guilty of similar remarks; this particular vein of whiteboy history lesson guilt turned self-righteous pontifying is much less prevention of disadvantages due to race and much more childish attempt to identify as both different and better than everyone else. You stop people from saying Nigger around you cos it's an ugly word? It's an English word with multiple modern meanings that even in it's worst form could be used with good intentions E.G. Nigger gtfo I'll take my freedom of speech over your phony "political correctness" everyday. Pompous prick. Has anyone in this thread actually attacked freedom of speech? People are saying you SHOULDN'T say it, not that you SHOULDN'T BE ABLE to say it. There is a huge huge huge difference. Also, free speech protects speech from regulation by the government, not by your employer. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On March 10 2012 14:06 silentsod wrote: I behave the same in public, private, and on the internet. Why are you assuming people put on a show the minute they step outside their door? People do, it's pretty well known. Have you never stepped into a psychology or sociology class? It's just common knowledge. I'm glad you evaded that. Alternatively, perhaps you're just very comfortable with your programming. On March 10 2012 14:06 Megabuster123 wrote: No, I'm pretty sure I disagree with the guy you're arguing with but I also had no idea what you were trying to say. That was me. I'm sorry you feel that way. They make you read very simple books in high school, so people get used to that. | ||
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bARBRO
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Meatex
Australia285 Posts
You apparently despise n**** as a word so much that you cannot use it (and out of respect I don't use it here) and yet you're fine with a degree called "black studies" Racism in terms of singling out a person based on genetics is fundamentally impossible to avoid. It is how the brain works (good place to start reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_neuroscience_of_visual_object_recognition) The modern concept of racism you talk of isn't anywhere near as complicated as you make it out to be. Intent is what makes someone racist in the negative sense but that is of course an academic discussion not relevant here. Firing someone for something they did 1+ years in the past however shows your lack of faith in humanity or pandering to twitchy sponsors. Of course we aren't privy to the contract but I would think there is no clauses covering penalties past actions and Orb may have case to sue over unfair dismissal if such laws also exist in NA. You make a business decision to save yourself at least have the guts to admit it. Lost a lot of respect for EG management and while I think things like this should be brought to light people should never forget this action for what it was - a witch hunt. And we should all know how that turned out so rather than crying for blood a more enlightened approach should be taken You said yourself he did not say anything inappropriate on EG stream, while under contract with EG and while connected in any way with anything even remotely related to EG or its sponsors. TL / reddit community were bored and wanted to see some blood spilled - this is nothing more than a witch hunt and things like this actually cause me to be a lot more disappointed in the sc2 community and I would argue it shows much greater level of immaturity and Mr Garfield should absolutely NOT be encouraging such behavior | ||
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doffe
Sweden636 Posts
This was ladder rage, a tragic extremly common typ of rage that I am sure all of us that plays alot have experienced time and time again. To then fire someone for what specific word he used in his rage seems pretty damn wrong. There are plenty of words that are generally used as curses that probably should not but still are. Faggot again comes to mind and most certinly plenty of others. Sadly as English is my second language commonly used curses is not my greatest skill. But again, he used it as a curse, wrong as that may be, he is from what I can tell far from a racist and really should be getting of with a warning. The damage caused and severity of an insult should be judged by the reciever not the viewers of a stream. And the intent behind the insult is only truly known by the giver and should not be projected from an what I see it overly sensitive CEO (OP). There is nothing objectivly wrong with a word like nigger it is what we put into it that is wrong. You also mention something about nigger jokes.. while insensitive sure, if joking about ANY topic is banned all topics must be banned... everything is offensive to someone. But if you really stand to your beliefs fine, but seriously then fire IdrA cause otherwise I have no respect at all for you. I would rather be liberal in my vocabulary then a hypocrit (even though I myself wouldnt call someone nigger) | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 10 2012 13:37 Djzapz wrote: Well almost. Mine had character though. Still, strange that you chose to dismiss it - you do understand it. That said, the descendants of indigenous people are still around, they just don't have lobbies to make us realize how shitty we've been and still are to them. It's even worse, perhaps much worse than how black people were treated. I made that example just to show how artificial is the stigma around the word "nigger", but it also brings up another questions, doesn't it? Saying that people shouldn't be outraged because a) other people have a greater right to be outraged, but have failed to communicate it or b) there other things to be outraged about, and if you're not outraged about everything equally your being disingenuous is just a silly argument. Ex: A woman gets routinely sexually harassed at work, and her and her co-workers goes to her boss to complain. The boss retorts, "But people get raped in African regimes everyday. What's about those people?" Come on, man. Is there a stigma around the word nigger, and racism against Black People? Yes. It's it unfair that other forms of discrimination are less or poorly represented? Yes. Should people do something about that? Of course. Should people do less about racism against Blacks or be less offended? No. I don't think you're crazy, but your quest for some form of perfect, intellectual purity and integrity is leading to weird conclusions. | ||
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Gardel
Mexico220 Posts
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
On March 10 2012 14:15 bARBRO wrote: Just to put a stop on your debate on what's worse between wishing someone to die and calling someone n***r. I am black myself and being called n***r is no big deal, it's like calling white people whitey; does that offend you? Being called n***r is not even close to being wished to die. Seriously, get your shit together. I am obviously black and I'm proud of that. Why would I be more offended by being called what I am than being wished/threatened to die? Being called whitey does offend me, but not so deeply as to attempt to attack your livelihood. Shit, you threaten my life, I still won't attack your livelihood. I'd just take yours... EDIT: Over the internet, though. it's all dissmissable. | ||
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
On March 10 2012 14:32 Gardel wrote: It´s not so much the fact that he said the N word, it´s the fact that he lied, and he tryed to make everyone a fool thinking that it was some of his "friends" that said that. He lost all my respect to him right there. When was it proven that he lied? I have as of yet to see anyone proved that he lied yet...>_> | ||
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sinjitsu_
Australia196 Posts
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omnic
United States188 Posts
On March 10 2012 14:31 Defacer wrote: Saying that people shouldn't be outraged because a) other people have a greater right to be outraged, but have failed to communicate it or b) there other things to be outraged about, and if you're not outraged about everything equally your being disingenuous is just a silly argument. Ex: A woman gets routinely sexually harassed at work, and her and her co-workers goes to her boss to complain. The boss retorts, "But people get raped in African regimes everyday. What's about those people?" Come on, man. Is there a stigma around the word nigger, and racism against Black People? Yes. It's it unfair that other forms of discrimination are less or poorly represented? Yes. Should people do something about that? Of course. Should people do less about racism against Blacks or be less offended? No. I don't think you're crazy, but your quest for some form of perfect, intellectual purity and integrity is leading to weird conclusions. The difference here is you are not a victim, you were not raped, you were not called a nigger and neither were the people complaining in this thread. Ask yourself, what are the chances that orb got fired because a black person was offended by the word, what are the chances that the guy orb called a nigger was offended by it and complained? If that's not the case then your analogy doesn't work. p.s. I love how the posts that get ignored the most in these threads tend to come from people who point out they are black. Stay classy white people. | ||
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AmstAff
Germany949 Posts
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On March 10 2012 14:34 Megabuster123 wrote: When was it proven that he lied? I have as of yet to see anyone proved that he lied yet...>_> You'd think his "friend" would've stepped up and claimed responsibility by now or Orb himself would've named him. Funny how that "friend" continues to remain anonymous. How convenient. | ||
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