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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources.

In short, be smart.

Alex comments on Idra:


Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038

Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST
Phil Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States100 Posts
March 09 2012 04:12 GMT
#281
Great post, but I don't think there's any reason to censor words like nigger or faggot when using them in an academic sense. Doing so indicates a lack of maturity and gives the word more power as a taboo in our culture. I definitely feel the same way you do though. Wonderful statement. =)
Man, this ain't my dad. This is a cell phone!
garbodor
Profile Joined October 2011
269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:12:59
March 09 2012 04:12 GMT
#282
On March 09 2012 13:12 Sangyerians wrote:
To me, it seems like EG are doing this to not only save face but their sponsors. The "delay" seems to me like it only occured because people have only just started to contact their sponsors and the head was being turned up.



Right, obviously it's because of sponsor pressure, not because it takes time to discuss and write up an official statement.
Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
March 09 2012 04:12 GMT
#283
On March 09 2012 13:09 seiferoth10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:01 EnderSword wrote:
I'm incredibly disappointed in EG for this.

They've been my favourite team, I've got an EG mousepad, and one of the Hoodies and generally watch a lot of the team in general.

That certainly ends today.

This type of caving in to pressure by a loud, vicious minority of people who were hunting, not out of genuine offense, but to cause drama is an incredible display of horrible judgement and a complete lack of loyalty.

I could give two shits about orb...and to be honest, no one could. Nobody REALLY cares about it. It's just something to talk about between events.

Totally selling out an employee to save your own ass, especially while completely tolerating IdrA's...existence, and inviting Destiny onto EG sponsors and produced shows is so hypocritical as to be laughable.

I don't believe a single damn word Alex Garfield said, and his fake offendedness over this word is so ridiculous it's not worthy of any respect. It's the worst type of fake, two-faced holier-than-thou bullshit you can get.

Shove your sanctimonious bullshit and hypocritical policy and fuck off.

Or to quote your Own popular Team Member IdrA: "This Game is Retarded" and "The Game is worse because of Fags like you"

I agree with all of this. This explanation is so damn hypocritical it is mind blowing. He used that language while not affiliated with EG. He was NOT given any chance to reform himself either. Seriously? A past reference not used while affiliated with EG, and no chance to even try to reform? What the fuck.

Why keep Idra around? He's used (in the past, like in Orb's situation) language that offends Alex. Hell, he's done it while being affiated with EG. And yet he was given the chance to reform? Why is that? Why wasn't Orb given that chance? Why don't you just let Idra go, instead of being so two-faced.

Ugh. I might start liking TL again because of this. Disgustingly hypocritical.


I hate to jump on your bandwagon but I think anyone who disagrees with the way EG handled this and their hypocrisy should do exactly what the vicious minority did that got this started.
Lets contact the sponsors and let them know how we feel about EG poor decision making.....
En Taro Adun, Executor!
absalom86
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland1770 Posts
March 09 2012 04:13 GMT
#284
On March 09 2012 13:05 Cremano wrote:
How does EG distinguish this situation from the liberal use of the word 'faggot' by several players on their roster?


Valid question. Seems a bit overboard to dismiss someone over a random ladder game, against someone cheesing them. Words only have as much power as people give them. I seriously doubt Orb was using " nigger " as a derogative term about the player in question, Just like when people call others a " fag " they don't mean it in a " you are sexually attracted to another male ". The player the rage was diverted to was not black either, as he is Icelandic and we have maybe... 10 black people in the country ( Maybe a couple more ).

Dismissing Orb for ladder rage is strange considering they have IdrA on their roster, who has said way way way worse ( even in public matches ). Double standards aren't so cool to me.
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chrisgreg
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada61 Posts
March 09 2012 04:13 GMT
#285
Bad choices were made, this is a lesson to keep your ego and attitude in check at all times. Especially when you want to maintain a living from the job your doing. You won't see many people walking around the office calling random co-workers slurs and get away with it. Same thing here, orbs a great worker just has the wrong attitude.
Supporting Team EG and Team IM
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
March 09 2012 04:13 GMT
#286
IMO the fact that he straight up denied it to EG's face about it is worse then any racist comment he could make. Should have just admitted from the beginning and apologized and moved on
naniwa fighting!!!
danblack
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5 Posts
March 09 2012 04:13 GMT
#287
It's wonderful to see this type of professionalism in e-sports. Totally justified.
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1934 Posts
March 09 2012 04:13 GMT
#288
Idra calls people faggots while officailly representing EG
Idra gets the largest fanbase in all of starcraft 2
Idra gets paid lots of money by EG.

Orb calls people niggers while on his own personal time
Orb has few fans
Orb gets fired by EG.
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Quincy
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada7 Posts
March 09 2012 04:13 GMT
#289
I understand what Alex had to do here, but I hope Orb now isn't completely shunned..
Ask yourself whether the dream of heaven and greatness should be waiting for us in our graves - or whether it should be ours here and now and on this earth. - Ayn Rand
Oerbaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Scotland184 Posts
March 09 2012 04:13 GMT
#290
On March 09 2012 13:09 Luepert wrote:
By this logic shouldn't EG fire Idra? He calls people faggots all the time. And he does it while representing EG officially. Is discrimination against blacks somehow worse than against homosexuals? Or is Idra just more valuable to EG than Orb?

Huk also calls people "nigga" on twitter, but i believe Orb was mainly fired was because he lied to EG's management, if not then the logic is idiotic
I came here to kick as and drink milk, and ive finished my milk
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
March 09 2012 04:13 GMT
#291
On March 09 2012 13:11 jianming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:09 -_- wrote:
Only your ignorance makes you proud to be a Starcraft Community member today, Alex. Most, and perhaps nearly all, of the complaints you received were from pitiful people who want to create some entertainment at Orb's expense. A few others were probably from those slugs who masturbate in self-righteousness and take every opportunity to speak out about a cause because it gets them off. Finally, one or two were likely sincere.

You're probably proud of your post. You think it makes you sound smart and enlightened (though you'd rather die than admit it). Yeesh it doesn't. all due respect, I'm sneering.


The thing is, he had to say that even if he didn't believe it (not saying he didn't mean it). Without these whiny little kids he would go out of business, unfortunately. Don't blame Alex, blame the self-righteous slugs.



Or maybe, just maybe, Alex is genuinely and deeply offended by the word, for reasons he explained in his post.

Sheesh.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
March 09 2012 04:13 GMT
#292
If EG had said they'd released him for lying, I'd have been fine with it.

Releasing orb but keeping Idra and Incontrol on the team is a fucking joke though, especially given the message of this post.
Catchafire2000
Profile Joined August 2010
United States227 Posts
March 09 2012 04:13 GMT
#293
On March 09 2012 13:10 Shiori wrote:
Your major was black studies? No offense, but that answers a lot of questions for me. At least you prefaced it by saying it's your opinion. And what a weird, platitudinous opinion it is....


This comment is pedantic on so many levels... Kind of like... this response.
jabooty
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
March 09 2012 04:13 GMT
#294
On March 09 2012 13:13 absalom86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:05 Cremano wrote:
How does EG distinguish this situation from the liberal use of the word 'faggot' by several players on their roster?


Valid question. Seems a bit overboard to dismiss someone over a random ladder game, against someone cheesing them. Words only have as much power as people give them. I seriously doubt Orb was using " nigger " as a derogative term about the player in question, Just like when people call others a " fag " they don't mean it in a " you are sexually attracted to another male ". The player the rage was diverted to was not black either, as he is Icelandic and we have maybe... 10 black people in the country ( Maybe a couple more ).

Dismissing Orb for ladder rage is strange considering they have IdrA on their roster, who has said way way way worse ( even in public matches ). Double standards aren't so cool to me.


Garfield tweeted Idra hears from him every time he says it, and that if we've heard idra say it recently to let Garfield know.
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
March 09 2012 04:13 GMT
#295
On March 09 2012 13:11 the`postman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 12:57 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I can see the necessity in EG's move here, however I feel really sour about the fact that reddit managed to destroy yet another caster's career.

That's an easy cop out, Orb destroyed his own career.


It's insane blaming any of this on Reddit. Public figures need to get their shit straight or choose not to be public figures representing companies. It's not a hard mental process.

This is the cleansing of a community as we become more mainstream.
Trashie
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway131 Posts
March 09 2012 04:14 GMT
#296
On March 09 2012 12:52 battyone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 12:51 yawnoC wrote:
Thanks for the post.
I find it kind of crazy that people contacted EGs sponsors though. That honestly blows my mind o_O


Yeah it feels a lot like people were leveraging the sponsors to influence EGs decision. I am not a fan of moves like that, it's a real scumbag thing in my opinion. I am not defending Orb but I somehow feel that if sponsors/money was not involved in this decision we'd see more leniency for what he did while on his own time.

It's not a "scumbang thing" at all. In fact, it's perfectly reasonable.

On March 09 2012 12:57 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I can see the necessity in EG's move here, however I feel really sour about the fact that reddit managed to destroy yet another caster's career.

Don't be stupid. Orb did this all by himself by straight up lying to managements face. While I'm not a big fan of reddit witch hunts myself, some of them are certainly justified and for the better in the long run.

"Jake has said this was not him last night, that he went to bed, that he has a couple of friends who he shared his account with - which obviously he's not supposed to do - and that he woke up to this shit storm.

Now, you all can choose to believe Jake or not. We at EG are all going to believe him, but have told him that if we find out that this is not the case, your story does not flush, and this is your behaviour and you continue to act this way, then you will be very, very quickly removed from our world."

Should be enough to understand why he was fired.
moosez
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5 Posts
March 09 2012 04:14 GMT
#297
Fantastic article. I disagree with a few things. Namely that we shouldn't even say or spell "nigger." You know what you mean to say, I know what you mean to say. Why not just spell the thing out if we're talking about it?

Other than that, I love so much that I get to the end of a thought-provoking, well-argued, intense piece of writing, and then this gem pops up:
i like otters because they're neat and they hold hands while swimming backward.
"Go get yourself some toilet paper cos your lyrics is butt" - A Tribe Called Quest
-KarmA
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States353 Posts
March 09 2012 04:14 GMT
#298
Im not really all that mad about him calling people niggers and faggots. Im more pissed off that hes just a complete asshole about it. He just always had that mentality that nothing was ever his fault. Everything was imba, or broken and he always felt like he got the short end of the stick, so he would get pissed off. And from that he would start venting to the other person (which its over the internet which everything you should take with a grain of salt) but its still a really dick this to say when you tell someone that theyre bad and need to die and shit like that because they beat you at a fucking game.
venge1155
Profile Joined January 2011
United States174 Posts
March 09 2012 04:14 GMT
#299
On March 09 2012 12:59 Luepert wrote:
Pretty weird when you get fired for getting mad while playing a video game. At pretty much any other job you can't get fired for BMing someone in a video game on your own free time.

The fact that you say that make me think you do not have a real job, or are just completely clueless. If my boss got ahold of an E-mail or overheard me saying half the stuff that gets said when children (and thats what "ragers" are, children who can not handle a game) I would lose the hell out of my job AND be brought before HR whereby if the next company i apply to looks into my HR file from my last job there would be a nice suprise waiting for them.


In short, yes if your boss heard you speaking that way you would be out the door.
Beedon
Profile Joined October 2010
United States12 Posts
March 09 2012 04:14 GMT
#300
On March 09 2012 13:07 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 12:51 PowerDes wrote:
What a joke. Let this be a warning guys, be on your bestest behavior when playing ladder games or the internet will destroy your reputation.

People really have no idea how often opportunities are missed and doors closed without them knowing. Because not only does the internet operate in funny ways, so do people in the real world. It's always best to be your best at all times. Those of us who sometimes allow ourselves to act worse do it at our own risk. The difference in attitude here is what often sets apart people who hit a plateau in life and people who miraculously, seemingly luckily, succeed.


Truth.

A large portion of the community seems to want SC2 to take off and become this massive mainstream success as an eSport, but with that comes real world culture, not just internet culture, and certainly not just gamer culture. Mainstream sports figures get caught up in controversies all the time for activities/behavior completely unrelated to their profession...often result in loss of jobs or at least loss of reputation/respect from the communities that they are a part of.
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