EPTThat being said, I support EG's decision on a moral basis rather than the practical one they just gave. Personally I consider BM juvenile, but I don't support throwing people off of teams because of BM. When it steps into the realm of using slurs, especially ones so charged and with such a history like the word nigger, it has to be put to an end.
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Sc1pio
United States823 Posts
That being said, I support EG's decision on a moral basis rather than the practical one they just gave. Personally I consider BM juvenile, but I don't support throwing people off of teams because of BM. When it steps into the realm of using slurs, especially ones so charged and with such a history like the word nigger, it has to be put to an end. | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
I learned a lot about this through the differences in Australian and American culture over the past 15 years. The words cunt and bastard are probably the two biggest examples. Here in Australia such terms are treated with such lax that they are even sometimes used as terms of endearment (much like how black people sometimes use the word nigga amongst themselves) and as a result are view by their context and not the word itself. EG here has completely overreacted solely on the word used and as a result severely damaged the career of an individual who is better at his job than almost anyone out there. I am extremely disappointed in EG for this response and will no longer be supporting them or their sponsors. Political correctness gone wrong. | ||
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seiferoth10
3362 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:01 EnderSword wrote: I'm incredibly disappointed in EG for this. They've been my favourite team, I've got an EG mousepad, and one of the Hoodies and generally watch a lot of the team in general. That certainly ends today. This type of caving in to pressure by a loud, vicious minority of people who were hunting, not out of genuine offense, but to cause drama is an incredible display of horrible judgement and a complete lack of loyalty. I could give two shits about orb...and to be honest, no one could. Nobody REALLY cares about it. It's just something to talk about between events. Totally selling out an employee to save your own ass, especially while completely tolerating IdrA's...existence, and inviting Destiny onto EG sponsors and produced shows is so hypocritical as to be laughable. I don't believe a single damn word Alex Garfield said, and his fake offendedness over this word is so ridiculous it's not worthy of any respect. It's the worst type of fake, two-faced holier-than-thou bullshit you can get. Shove your sanctimonious bullshit and hypocritical policy and fuck off. Or to quote your Own popular Team Member IdrA: "This Game is Retarded" and "The Game is worse because of Fags like you" I agree with all of this. This explanation is so damn hypocritical it is mind blowing. He used that language while not affiliated with EG. He was NOT given any chance to reform himself either. Seriously? A past reference not used while affiliated with EG, and no chance to even try to reform? What the fuck. Why keep Idra around? He's used (in the past, like in Orb's situation) language that offends Alex. Hell, he's done it while being affiated with EG. And yet he was given the chance to reform? Why is that? Why wasn't Orb given that chance? Why don't you just let Idra go, instead of being so two-faced. Ugh. I might start liking TL again because of this. Disgustingly hypocritical. | ||
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shinyA
United States473 Posts
1 - The fact that he did this shows, at least a part, of his character. 2 - SC2 hasn't been out that long, it isn't as if this happened years ago - it was quite recent. 3 - Orb had aspirations of becoming a community figure, caster, and personality - yet he still acted like this. Why would someone do something like that? It's a question that I don't really have an answer to, but I do think that whatever the reason, he isn't fit to be what he aspired to be. I gained a lot of respect for EG. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
And appropriate decision given the circumstances. Professional and smart response from EG. | ||
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foehammer
United States80 Posts
gg and wp sir! | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
Also, it happened before he was employed by you guys. That said, it is a harsh but fair decision. Provided he didn't put all his eggs in one basket (that basket being EG) and this didn't happen a few months ago, I think that this decision is entirely fair. While he does deserve to be punished, I don't think he needs to be ejected from eSPORTS entirely. | ||
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
 I can't believe this happened for some offensive in game chat, yeah what he said was immature, but you can't help but feel bad for the guy; he lost such a big opportunity because of a reddit witch hunt. | ||
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:50 kibeth wrote: I actually find your post overly condescending and obnoxious, and I like EG as an organization. It's kind of like if I stole a toy from a grocery store when I was 8. Later in life I work there, and somehow someone finds out that a decade ago I stole a 99cent toy, and I was fired. Sounds ridiculous right? Yeah.. no. That analogy doesn't really hold up here as the offences hold different weighting. | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:06 nO.Usagi wrote: Lets kick idrA off for calling people faggots in games and lets also kick off Huk for saying nigga on Twitter. I am done with Starcraft II completely. Sick of the game, sick of the community and sick of ignorant people. I felt bad for Katu and I feel even worse for Orb. EG's decision disgusts me far more than a players choice of words in a stream. They allow their star player to get away with calling others a fagot but orb gets canned for being an asshat? So sick of the whole hypocritical community.... | ||
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Danzo
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:08 jianming wrote: You obviously have the mental capacity of an 8 year old if you don't know what a metaphor is. that's not the point. you can be forgiven for your mistakes when you're a dumbass adolescent but when you're an adult you are expected to act responsibly or face scrutiny. | ||
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WilliamDecker
Canada43 Posts
I have never said it, typed it, or written it. If it's used in my presence, I immediately speak up and demand that it not be used again in my presence, regardless of context or circumstances Now people are okay to do whatever they want on their own time, but the people I tend to surround myself with sometimes make lacks in judgement. I think it's important to anyone to speak up for what they think is right. It takes a lot to stand up and say that's not okay even if everyone looks at you like you made it awkward. I was in a situation similar to this with a family member where I told them what they were saying about a particular group of people was not okay. I come from a specific minority group and explained that it's not okay for us to discriminated against and that we should understand this most of anyone. It's okay to make mistakes. It's not okay to deny it and hide behind your own shame. The moment you admit that you're at fault is the moment you're able to progress as a person and move forward. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
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United States5003 Posts
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GhostLink
United States450 Posts
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Shiori
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
If you complained and are satisfied with the decision now, please take the time to let the sponsors know. | ||
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SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
His first mistake was obviously using the n word in the first place. He didn't learn from his mistake (and he knew it really was him that said it, obv) and tried to shift the blame away from him. It was not learning from his mistake that got him fired, imo. I really can't believe that EG would've fired him, or there would've been such a witch-hunt, if he'd apologised honestly and promised to never do it again. | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
1. he shouldnt have said it ever. 2. but mistakes happen, so he said nigger, he should have apologized in a professional manner. I'm sure he would have been alot better off if he did this. Even if EG still decided to fire him, he would have been in a better position to find another good casting job. | ||
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