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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources.

In short, be smart.

Alex comments on Idra:


Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038

Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 09 2012 04:07 GMT
#221
On March 09 2012 13:04 Mr.Rager wrote:
This is so fucking stupid. Sure, orb made a mistake and he should've just apologized even if he didn't say this; that would've ended this controversy way long ago. You can use the n-word without being racist, and you can use "faggot" without being homophobic. It's all how you interpret it, and if it's not meant to offend homosexual people or black people then it isn't. You shouldn't assume such things.

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For the record, I do want to point out that I don't think Orb is "a racist." As mentioned above, I think that to make such a claim would be to misunderstand the nature of contemporary racism. This, of course, does not lessen the severity of his actions, or the extent to which they are unacceptable and inexcusable, but it's still an important distinction to make.


I don't even understand what you're trying to say here. You release him, not because he's a racist, but because of his actions? People are making this blown way out of proportion and I don't feel orb should have this type of punishment. Maybe have him apologize and put him on a week break, but absolutely releasing him for saying a word that may offend somebody. Because god forbid we offend someone. It's not even like it was under your supervision or on the EG Master Cup, it was on his own stream where he can say what he wants. It's his content.


Well when your sponsors, the people who pay your bills, say that they don't want to be associated with someone who uses that language, its a problem.

Regardless if your are offended or not, the N-word is bad for business.
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Catchafire2000
Profile Joined August 2010
United States227 Posts
March 09 2012 04:07 GMT
#222
This truly became an issue because Orb was calling other White players "nigger".
jabooty
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:09:45
March 09 2012 04:07 GMT
#223
I hope that Reddit's next witch hunt is about people using 'rape'- that, to me, is equally offensive/non-offensive as nigger. That way we could get Tastosis fired as well.
Beren
Profile Joined June 2010
United States514 Posts
March 09 2012 04:08 GMT
#224
On March 09 2012 13:02 Megabuster123 wrote:
I can't believe Reddit ruined this poor bastards career....Jesus christ. The starcraft community has shown anything but maturity with all of this tabloid TMZ bullshit.


Reddit didn't make orb say or do the things he did, they just brought it to light.
DashedHopes
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada414 Posts
March 09 2012 04:08 GMT
#225
This is a bad decision, idra and huk have skeltons in their closet yet orb an amaaazzzing caster is given the boot much much too drastic.
Bart
Profile Joined November 2010
494 Posts
March 09 2012 04:08 GMT
#226
I agree with Alex and he has gained even more respect from me than I thought possible. As EG values are in line with mine I am now an EG supporter as evidenced below.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Fan of: MKP, Select, MC, Kripp, Purge, JP, Qpad Red Pandas
jianming
Profile Joined November 2011
149 Posts
March 09 2012 04:08 GMT
#227
On March 09 2012 12:54 TheSwamp wrote:
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On March 09 2012 12:50 kibeth wrote:
I actually find your post overly condescending and obnoxious, and I like EG as an organization.

It's kind of like if I stole a toy from a grocery store when I was 8. Later in life I work there, and somehow someone finds out that a decade ago I stole a 99cent toy, and I was fired. Sounds ridiculous right?


I did not realize Orb was eight when this all happened.


You obviously have the mental capacity of an 8 year old if you don't know what a metaphor is.
Typhon
Profile Joined July 2009
United States387 Posts
March 09 2012 04:08 GMT
#228
I don't think Orb meant any harm, but the precedent has to be set. I hope he continues his casting work, as he's one of my favorite casters, but I feel a "no tolerance for assholes policy" is a reasonable response from EG.
Vexas
Profile Joined November 2010
United States98 Posts
March 09 2012 04:08 GMT
#229
Thank you very much for this post and your continued work in the community. EG really is a great organization and exactly what we need in this community if it is going to succeed. This is yet another example of how much you all care about E-sports and your fans. Thank you for this.

On a side note: Could someone PM me with the contact information for EG's sponsors? I would love to send them my feedback on this awesome company!
"Sooner or later we're all someone's dog" ~Angua
Beedon
Profile Joined October 2010
United States12 Posts
March 09 2012 04:08 GMT
#230
Fantastically handled, in my opinion. Alex wins brownie points for me.
Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
March 09 2012 04:09 GMT
#231
On March 09 2012 12:58 pirates wrote:
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On March 09 2012 12:51 Champloo wrote:
GJ reddit, you successfully destroyed the casting career of someone who raged in a ladder game.

yep. I dont feel Alex overreacted, he did what he had to. The community overreacted and fucked over Orb, he didnt deserve this. Hope you are all proud of yourselfs for wasting Alex's time and ruining a great opportunity for Orb over text on the internet.



Are you kidding? Reddit over reacted, but the way Orb chose to handle this was childish and moronic.
taintmachine
Profile Joined May 2010
United States431 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:11:11
March 09 2012 04:09 GMT
#232
On March 09 2012 13:07 Liquid`NonY wrote:
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On March 09 2012 12:51 PowerDes wrote:
What a joke. Let this be a warning guys, be on your bestest behavior when playing ladder games or the internet will destroy your reputation.

People really have no idea how often opportunities are missed and doors closed without them knowing. Because not only does the internet operate in funny ways, so do people in the real world. It's always best to be your best at all times. Those of us who sometimes allow ourselves to act worse do it at our own risk. The difference in attitude here is what often sets apart people who hit a plateau in life and people who miraculously, seemingly luckily, succeed.


your friends call people faggots a lot

would you support them getting kicked from eg too
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:10:04
March 09 2012 04:09 GMT
#233
On March 09 2012 13:06 Zzoram wrote:
All the people saying Idra uses "faggot" more than anyone else, could you guys make a youtube video of it or compilation screenshot or something?


lol just check his Brood War TSL replay pack. The game against JulyZerg instead of saying "gg" he said "fag" and instantly left the game when he saw July did a 1 hatch lurker build.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:09:21
March 09 2012 04:09 GMT
#234
Only your ignorance makes you proud to be a Starcraft Community member today, Alex. Most, and perhaps nearly all, of the complaints you received were from pitiful people who want to create some entertainment at Orb's expense. A few others were probably from those slugs who masturbate in self-righteousness and take every opportunity to speak out about a cause because it gets them off. Finally, one or two were likely sincere.

You're probably proud of your post. You think it makes you sound smart and enlightened (though you'd rather die than admit it). Yeesh it doesn't. all due respect, I'm sneering.
Philodox
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada17 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:09:58
March 09 2012 04:09 GMT
#235
If we, as a community, are going to hold Orb accountable for his language during a ladder game we need to hold everybody who uses offensive language equally accountable. Where is the outrage over IdrA, Destiny, Lalush, etc? These are players (maybe not lalush) that are famous for their bm and cursing. I vehemently disagree with the use of the n-word for the reasons Mr. Garfield outlined, however I also hate applying double standards. Orb seems like the victim of a tempest in a teacup.
Ipp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States456 Posts
March 09 2012 04:09 GMT
#236
The fact that there are people rejoicing over a possible career ending move, says a lot about the community. This is the at least the second time SteelSeries has been "attacked" for doing absolutely nothing wrong. If you're wondering the first time, it was when they made the hard decision to not renew their sponsorship with Grubby. At what point do sponsors switch to another game, where people are just happy that their is a community.
http://youtube.com/RageQuitTV
Mikey
Profile Joined January 2011
United States277 Posts
March 09 2012 04:09 GMT
#237
This is ridiculous and out of hand.

Nice wall of text, you make valid points however making an example out of this poor up and coming caster is simply something I can't approve of.
Please watch my DotA2 Stream: www.twitch.tv/Mikey -- Member of Team Quantic's DotA2 division :) !
TechSC
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada40 Posts
March 09 2012 04:09 GMT
#238
"...Now, I just wish you guys would also get this upset when people use the word f----t, so that we could start fighting homophobia, too, and show people that it, like racism, also doesn't belong in our community"

Guess you can start with your team for the part if you really believe in that stance.
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
March 09 2012 04:09 GMT
#239
On March 09 2012 13:02 Oreo7 wrote:
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On March 09 2012 13:01 lowercase wrote:
This entire thing is retarded. If he had raged and cursed and used all manner of foul language except the word "nigger," he would be in the clear. It just shows that the taboo the word has in the world, most especially American society, is so extreme even saying it in a completely different, racially-empty context is considered the greatest transgression.

America, get over your guilt complex.


This is bad logic. "Nigger" has huge societal implications and is a unique word and that warrants unique treatment. Alex (ottersareneat? Mr. Garfield? idk) made a good argument for why it carries so much weight, you just sort of ignored this.


It's not a unique word; there are plenty of foul curses in the English language. This one is just singled out as being "super taboo." The OP's argument is unfortunately just apologetic racial guilt. No offense, but people need to really get over it. As a non-American it's apparent to me how much Americans are obsessed with it.
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
March 09 2012 04:09 GMT
#240
By this logic shouldn't EG fire Idra? He calls people faggots all the time. And he does it while representing EG officially. Is discrimination against blacks somehow worse than against homosexuals? Or is Idra just more valuable to EG than Orb?
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