Orb Dismissed from Evil Geniuses Broadcasts - Page 16

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Alex comments on Idra:

Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038

Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST

Corrosive

Canada3741 Posts

March 09 2012 04:14 GMT

#301

On March 09 2012 13:13 Oerbaa wrote:

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Huk also calls people "nigga" on twitter, but i believe Orb was mainly fired was because he lied to EG's management, if not then the logic is idiotic

Huk has never called anyone "nigger" as an insult and i believe EG managment has made huk delete tweets like that.

CajunMan

United States823 Posts

March 09 2012 04:14 GMT

#302

On March 09 2012 13:12 Gamegene wrote:

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what savior did and what orb did are two ENTIRELY different things -_-

And they are basically being treated the same. What's up with that?

Lupita

United States290 Posts

March 09 2012 04:14 GMT

#303

Seems a bit silly to fire him over old screenshots posted on reddit, do you really want the community to be able to influence decisions like this?

Don't you do research on people before hiring them anyway? It's well known in the community that Orb is a bad mannered/foul mouthed player. If you seriously think Orb meant anything against Black people, well, I think you're crazy.

This really is a shame, Orb is a great, well-spoken, knowledgeable caster with a lot to bring to the table, I feel bad for him.

Also, if you think that other players/employees of EG have never used words like this (the word faggot comes to mind, just as bad as the N word and used far more often), well, then you're just fooling yourself.

Dissonance23

United States259 Posts

March 09 2012 04:14 GMT

#304

Not happy with the decision, but it's understandable given Orb lied directly to EG. Had he not I feel like this would be a complete over reaction.

SerafeimSC

98 Posts

March 09 2012 04:14 GMT

#305

On March 09 2012 13:11 zelah wrote:

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This portion of the post alone is causing me to buy an EG jersey.

I will be e-mailing the sponsors listed on EG's site to let them know actions like this have earned a fan for life.

We should also Email the sponsors to show how hippocritical they are :D

sickoota

Canada918 Posts

March 09 2012 04:14 GMT

#306

terrible. Guess he shoudlve checked out his boss's college major before running his mouth on the ladder

bucckevin

858 Posts

March 09 2012 04:14 GMT

#307

I love how people get butt hurt over a few choice words. They come in here and act like they're little saints who have never done anything bad in their life . EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE, has done something bad in their life. I am far from a religious person but I'm sure everyone is familiar with this phrase. "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"

Is it that big of a deal, really? Does this guy not deserve a second chance?

CravenRaven

Australia114 Posts

March 09 2012 04:15 GMT

#308

This OP was the biggest QQ load of pc left wing bull crap i have ever seen in a games related forum. Want to talk about fueling injustices? How about we talk about legitimising and sustaining things that would probably go away if guilty white libtards stopped giving them meaning.

User was warned for this post

naggerNZ

New Zealand708 Posts

March 09 2012 04:15 GMT

#309

I'm not surprised EG has responded this way, and I don't fault their decision, as both a business and a part of the SC2 community, but this is a witch-hunt that never should have happened in the first place. I like orb, and think he is one of the best english commentators out there, and I think the lazy, meme-shitting teenagers that populate places such as r/starcraft can't tell the difference between what is given and what is earned. He gave up hours and hours of his time providing excellent commentary and content for the SC community, probably with very little remuneration, to get where he is (was).

And now, right as he becomes a part of EG and is able to really be a full-time commentator, someone posts a screenshot of a replay in which he gets angry and BMs. I don't believe for a second that his opponent was offended, and he could have just taken it for what it was and forgot about it. Instead he posts it on reddit and the whole community starts acting like Orb took a shit on their chest.

Well done, SC community, you bunch of whiny pussies.

Razuik

United States409 Posts

March 09 2012 04:15 GMT

#310

On March 09 2012 13:09 Tektos wrote:
If you don't empower such a word with responses like this then the word loses value and stops causing so much offense.

I learned a lot about this through the differences in Australian and American culture over the past 15 years. The words cunt and bastard are probably the two biggest examples. Here in Australia such terms are treated with such lax that they are even sometimes used as terms of endearment (much like how black people sometimes use the word nigga amongst themselves) and as a result are view by their context and not the word itself.

EG here has completely overreacted solely on the word used and as a result severely damaged the career of an individual who is better at his job than almost anyone out there.

I am extremely disappointed in EG for this response and will no longer be supporting them or their sponsors.

Political correctness gone wrong.

A word can also cause much less offense when it's not used or used in the least possible frequency.

Oreo7

United States1647 Posts

March 09 2012 04:15 GMT

#311

On March 09 2012 13:11 EnderSword wrote:

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You can when my TL one gets here

Wait really? If you want to get rid of your hoodie + mousepad, I'll PM you my address. Not joking. This post made me a fan of EG.

momonami5

United States109 Posts

March 09 2012 04:15 GMT

#312

On March 09 2012 13:06 Muffel wrote:
The sad thing about this is that a young man lost his dream, he lost the chance to do the Job that he loves because some people on a certain website (which i like) were bored. He wasnt witch-hunted because people were shocked about the N-word. No just because some people needed some drama for whatever reason.

Still i dislike racism. I dont think Orb is a racist. I think Orb reacted wrong to the case. Still im sad for him.

Fully understand EGs reaction.

ps: btw.. i hope these people who contacted the sponsors of EG will also contact them for positive response.

welcome to the real world, your actions have consequences.

Corrosive

Canada3741 Posts

March 09 2012 04:15 GMT

#313

On March 09 2012 13:14 CajunMan wrote:

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And they are basically being treated the same. What's up with that?

I don't see orb with any jail time.

iloveAthene

186 Posts

March 09 2012 04:15 GMT

#314

On March 09 2012 12:58 kilerz wrote:

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Just curious... why is it ok to refer to Caucasians/Europeans as "white" but not African-Americans as "black" and Asians as either "yellow" or "brown"?

Anyone else see the problem with this statement?

It's fine to use the word "black" still. And "caucasian" isn't correct anyways. It implies that one's ancestors came from the Caucasus Mountain area of Europe/Asia.

What annoys is how the word "asian" seems to only mean people from East Asia nowadays. Asia is a huge continent with people of all types

Xtkq

Canada14 Posts

March 09 2012 04:15 GMT

#315

Nice written out post, I believe everything you said.

Keep up the good work EG.

DashedHopes

Canada414 Posts

March 09 2012 04:15 GMT

#316

On March 09 2012 13:12 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Oh so what about your beloved IdrA saying fag and faggot Alex? Those things happened frequently in the past did they not? He is simply protecting EG's image people, don't let him fool you. I applaude you Alex Garfield for finding a community that is so easily tricked for you to manipulate to make money, or protect it in this case.

Well said i agree

Majromax

Canada14 Posts

March 09 2012 04:15 GMT

#317

Bravo, Alexander, and mad props to Team Evil Geniuses for showing everybody that they truly are a zero-tolerance organization for this kind of crap. Thank you for making yourselves a leader in the community fighting this battle, and I agree wholeheartedly about hoping we all collectively stop tolerating homophobia.

EcksperT

United States35 Posts

March 09 2012 04:15 GMT

#318

I don't know what exactly caused the outrage... but I do not think it had anything to do with the community's "core values." Look no further than Destiny defending the fact that he says "nigger" and those who championed him for that or no one caring when HuK said it on twitter to his tens of thousands of followers. This is not a proud day. There was no comcomitance of morals amongst Starcraft Players. I believe this incident was nothing more than people creating drama for the sake of drama.