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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 10 2012 10:30 Gov wrote: People went after EG's sponsors without even having an official response from EG about it? Sometimes I hate what this community has become... they also contacted the NAACP. lol. | ||
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iloveAthene
186 Posts
I'd venture to bet the people who really raised hell and contacted sponsors and the NAACP were previous victims of Orb's rage. Karma's a bitch son | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On March 10 2012 10:16 agfoxGnom wrote: IdrA talks badmanner words since he was born and he is still in EG. Orb sayed some bad words at ladder and hes kicked - thats silly. Maybe Orb is not right, but thats ladder - everyone can talk there everything. A lot of EU progamers which are nice and cute on the scene, talk shitty words on ladder and no one punishes them. First post is all about "we dont get big money from Orbs work so we will kick him and tell everyone that we are against racism - nice PR for us!", and if some of EG's players will talk something bad nothing will happen - because EG get big money from their players work. Idra's BM is amusing. Ultimately, it's all hate towards the game, though. He hates SC2, and makes no attempt at covering it up. Orb's BM was just dumb. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
Seriously? That's ridiculous. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On March 10 2012 10:37 PH wrote: Idra's BM is amusing. Ultimately, it's all hate towards the game, though. He hates SC2, and makes no attempt at covering it up. Orb's BM was just dumb. Yeah, when he calls people "faggot" it's just hate towards the game. Mad denial. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 10 2012 10:16 agfoxGnom wrote: IdrA talks badmanner words since he was born and he is still in EG. Orb sayed some bad words at ladder and hes kicked - thats silly. Maybe Orb is not right, but thats ladder - everyone can talk there everything. A lot of EU progamers which are nice and cute on the scene, talk shitty words on ladder and no one punishes them. When IdrA was first contracted by EG, he was widely considered to be one of the top foreign players in the world. This is all the back towards the end of Beta, I believe. Orb is a caster. It's a double-standard for players and casters, yes. But even strictly as a player (nevermind IdrA's popularity, or 'brand') he did (and still does) contribute value to the team due to his high skill level. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
yeah, the guy is a moron. Steve Dolman @SteveDolman1 @naacpwebcast @TheRevAl @RevJJackson check out these racists don't support @djWHEAT @ottersareneat @orbtl @intel @MonsterEnergy black aware! edit: i ll assume that is the reverends al sharpton and jackson. he covered all his bases. lol | ||
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Ferric
United States22 Posts
On March 10 2012 10:16 battyone wrote: I am actually pretty well versed in how businnes, pr, and etc work. It had nothing to do with the behavior and much more to do with people going straight to the sponsors before EG even had time to act or determine anything on their own. Reddit did not like hearing "we'll keep a tight leash on orb but we beleive him" and took a step that I feel damages us way more than it could ever possibly help us. What sane business is going to invest in a team where this kind of backlash can be drummed up? What sane person is going to put themselves out there knowing that the community will rip them to shreads if they are bored, in the name of internet flash mob mentality? But keep on thinking this has 0 impact on how the entire SC2 community is viewed, this was an entirely cut and dry decision and there will be no far reaching impact or consequences, and I'm the one who has no understanding of how business works. *EDIT @iloveAthene -- Precisely my point, he was extremely good as a commentator, and really proed it up when he was representing EG, or working a tourney. He was talented, entertaining, and everything that we wanted in a caster, but we had to dig up every skeleton in the closet in our quest to bring him down. The sad part is that it only takes one guy in the community to paint the target now, and if enough followers on the internet have the time, they will dig up everything, if not for caring just out of sheer boredom and available time. And with how this incident was dealt with, if I was a pro gone caster I'd just clear my VODS of ladder play in case just one time I said something that could be taken the wrong way, and instead of talking to my coach about it, the community goes to my sponsor. What kind of precedent does that set for potentially up and coming casters who may have previously had rage issues? It just denies us the opportunity to have a good caster (something a lot of people thought orb was, not a good player). | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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MHT
Sweden1026 Posts
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insearchof
United States57 Posts
On March 10 2012 10:16 agfoxGnom wrote: IdrA talks badmanner words since he was born and he is still in EG. Orb sayed some bad words at ladder and hes kicked - thats silly. Maybe Orb is not right, but thats ladder - everyone can talk there everything. A lot of EU progamers which are nice and cute on the scene, talk shitty words on ladder and no one punishes them. First post is all about "we dont get big money from Orbs work so we will kick him and tell everyone that we are against racism - nice PR for us!", and if some of EG's players will talk something bad nothing will happen - because EG get big money from their players work. idra might say "fuck off" or something like that but never ever ever have i seen idra say "faggot" or "nigger" ever ever everrrrrrr... everyone cusses its pretty acceptable now but words like what orb used really are foul | ||
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RevRich
United States218 Posts
On March 10 2012 10:37 iloveAthene wrote: I'd venture to bet the people who really raised hell and contacted sponsors and the NAACP were previous victims of Orb's rage. Karma's a bitch son ^This is how I feel about it. When you throw rage fits sprinkled with racist terms you make a lot of enemies. Having a lot of enemies has a tendency to bite you in the ass when it hurts the most. | ||
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Kevn23
United States80 Posts
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decornerath
18 Posts
No organization out there is going to side with the people saying that "it's just a word, etc.." when they are losing business because of these actions. It's not a hard decision, it really isn't. You don't neglect a large percentage of your market to support something being construed as "unprofessional". | ||
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LobotoMe
United States5 Posts
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iloveAthene
186 Posts
On March 10 2012 10:52 Kevn23 wrote: IF Orb was black, then this wouldn't have happened. Oh the double standard. You're right, IF Orb were black he probably wouldn't have used the word "nigger" to insult someone. Maybe would've said "faggot" instead edit: maybe "nigga I'll fuckin kill you" but that's different than saying "you dumb nigger" | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On March 10 2012 10:49 RevRich wrote: That doesn't leave me with a sense of fairness. Because for every offended ladder player, who apparently managed to really get offended instead of having fun at Orb's vulnerability to lose his composure so easily over something so small - like so many have teased him about since beta - but for every such player, there are potentially hundreds of viewers who are robbed of very high level game analysis in a SC2 cast. Or was it their "karma" too?^This is how I feel about it. When you throw rage fits sprinkled with racist terms you make a lot of enemies. Having a lot of enemies has a tendency to bite you in the ass when it hurts the most. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
SCENE: Phone ringing in Orb's basement. Orb answers. Orb: Yeah, wassup. NAACP: Hello. Is there an "ORB" there? Orb: Yeah. NAACP: We've been getting some complaints about your use of racial slurs. Orb: Wha--who's asking? NAACP: Well, apparently, you are broadcasting a videogame and routinely berating opponents. They've been emailing us ... Orb: I mean WHO IS THIS? NAACP: ... complaining that you've been using the n-word as a derogatory insult ... Orb: Will you stop being a dumb nigger and tell me who you are!?!?!? SCENE ENDS with a helicopter crashing into the basement. Samuel L. Jackson gets out of the helicopter and kicks Orb square in the nutsack. | ||
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Kevn23
United States80 Posts
On March 10 2012 10:55 iloveAthene wrote: You're right, IF Orb were black he probably wouldn't have used the word "nigger" to insult someone. Maybe would've said "faggot" instead Are you kidding? Blacks use the N word on with each other all the time. | ||
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badcnr
Canada116 Posts
On March 10 2012 10:48 insearchof wrote: idra might say "fuck off" or something like that but never ever ever have i seen idra say "faggot" or "nigger" ever ever everrrrrrr... everyone cusses its pretty acceptable now but words like what orb used really are foul I have seen idra say faggot. I also seen a few EG's bash players. Which has to worse for the community than saying a bad word. Doesnt it make sense that EG gives lessons to people than have there top players go around bashing players saying they will never be any good. Or take idra saying apologize for the race. If he said that to a black player or a korean player do we assume he is talking about the game or the person behind the game ???? | ||
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