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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:18 Defacer wrote: What Alex wants: ![[image loading]](http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/10/img_3986_1.jpg) What rage-defenders are fighting for: http://youtu.be/mYuF3T7s7 That video made me laugh really hard. Thank you for making my friday just a bit more awesome. | ||
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Maxtor
United Kingdom273 Posts
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norjoncal
89 Posts
Most people associated with starcraft started on the street ball side and then transitioned to being a pro, caster, host etc. It seems to be a disconnect on the type of acceptable behavior once you transition to being a pro. I am sure all of us have use words and phrases while hanging out with friends, that we would not use in a normal business setting. I think what we need to remember is once we start streaming, commentating,uploading videos etc we are no longer "hanging out with friends" We have now become a professionals or at least unpaid interns and are future job opportunities rest on what can be seen from all sources. | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:21 Klondikebar wrote: That video made me laugh really hard. Thank you for making my friday just a bit more awesome. OMFG, same thing....i laughed soooo hard | ||
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Layback
Sweden20 Posts
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.Amon.
Germany64 Posts
I hope this Community is mature enough to accept him as he is, akknowledging his Problems. Sincerely Pascal Müller | ||
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SnuggleZhenya
596 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:02 Karnage77 wrote: Being offended by the word nigger only gives the word more power. If a word makes you feel inferior then you are actualizing its truth. The TL community is turning into a bunch of whiny witch hunting nancy boys. I don't care one bit if eSports becomes super popular or professional. I don't want it to be monetized into a corporate machine. I personally prefer the casual nature of how it stands now. Stop being little bitches and get thicker skin. Calling people nigger is now just part of a "casual nature" of our community? Count me out then. | ||
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Railgan
Switzerland1510 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:26 .Amon. wrote: Thank you Alex for one more good writeup. I'd like to thank you for your mature point of view and your neutral pov. I do however think that "nigger" has developed into a "trend" word at the moment. I as a german citizen have a sensitive feeling about anybody being racist, but to be honest, I think that Orb's slurs are merely caused by a aggressive disorder just like it is the case wih Idra. I think your oppinion concernIng his dismissal are entirely correct, however I also think that he should not be expelled from this Community entirely, as he is clearely talented (as you said ). I hope this Community is mature enough to accept him as he is, akknowledging his Problems. Sincerely Pascal Müller i like how you write as if it is an open letter  | ||
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cameler
Canada99 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:30 SnuggleZhenya wrote: Calling people nigger is now just part of a "casual nature" of our community? Count me out then. Who cares what anyone thinks, individuals are not what makes the community... its the companies that promote events, whether you participate or not. | ||
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ryzorzen
Canada9 Posts
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threshy
Qatar550 Posts
Knowing that, why do you persist? Why is it important to you to use those words? I am particularly puzzled in light of the assertion that many of you have made that, when you use these words, you don't mean to communicate anything racist or anti-gay--if you don't want to communicate that stuff, and, indeed, are offended when others think you are racist or homophobic, why do you insist on using the only words that are certain to cause people to receive that meaning from you? I've got my own ideas about why you guys behave this way, but I'm curious to hear what you think the reasons are. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
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YipCraft
United States216 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:37 threshy wrote: I have a question for those in this thread who are so defensive about being able to use racial and anti-gay slurs: why do those words have so much value to you? You all seem to understand that those words can deeply hurt others in a way that is especially deleterious to society, and some of you even seem to recognize that your use of those words, regardless of your intentions, entails an implicit assertion that others are inferior based on their race or sexual orientation. Knowing that, why do you persist? Why is it important to you to use those words? I am particularly puzzled in light of the assertion that many of you have made that, when you use these words, you don't mean to communicate anything racist or anti-gay--if you don't want to communicate that stuff, and, indeed, are offended when others think you are racist or homophobic, why do you insist on using the only words that are certain to cause people to receive that meaning from you? I've got my own ideas about why you guys behave this way, but I'm curious to hear what you think the reasons are. Immaturity and lack of a better vocabulary. The more we shun the use of racist slurs, the better we are to be in the community...There is no benefit to swearing. | ||
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aiuradun
Denmark115 Posts
But i really do feel for -Orb, The Craweing for the weekly drama is not just the weekly drama when it ends up getting people fired, this feel morel ike what do we have to be outraged about this week? adn this not only where alot of shittalk about him which i would imagine being quite hard on the young man being publicly humiliated infornt of thism any people got to hurrt, but not just that he lost his dream job due to this "weekly craving of drama". Sure what he said was stupid, and even more so in the US, due to history and whatnot. I Really Think peoople should look at the contecst of what / when / why something is being said instead of just the literal wording. Before they go balistic on reddit / TL / Other places. again i don't condone -Orbs behavior in anyway but i do feel the community overreacted alot Forceing EG to react. Hope everyone leans something from this and the scene will contnue to grow i guess everything growing has growing pains. | ||
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:18 Defacer wrote: What Alex wants: What rage-defenders are fighting for: <yt video> That is video is amazing... so amazing. The man is channeling the elder gods of nerd rage. | ||
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INTOtheVOID
United States225 Posts
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SnuggleZhenya
596 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:46 INTOtheVOID wrote: People are still talking about this? o.O Some of you are pathetic, WHO CARES what someone said during a ladder match. The fact that a thread like this gets over 100 pages of replies when threads showing major tournament results reach half that show what this community really thrives on: random ass drama. The sc2 community is quickly progressing to LoL state. Honestly at this point I'm far more offended by the ignorance in this thread than I ever was at anything Orb said. | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On March 10 2012 05:16 plogamer wrote: You agree that Orb used a word that is/was used in reference to black people when insulting and BM'ing his opponent. How can you not infer any kind of racism there? Discrimination and favouritism is wrong. Using racial slur is as bad as 'faggot' and 'retarded', no one (except the most idiotic) is arguing otherwise. Go ahead and try to stigmatize 'tomorrow'. As if you alone can reproduce the effects of generations upon generations of racism. Though you're doing a mighty fine job of perpetuating it. Have you never ever used ANY word that might offend ANY kind of group? I really don't know if there is anyone who can answer this question with yes. By your logic that means that everyone is a racist. I have come to chalk this up simply to cultural difference. Americans are that way and I'm just fighting tooth and claw that Europe does NOT follow suit. Now to the topic at hand: What happened here was that some people got hysterical about orb's rage from the past (1). Now don't get me wrong, I don't condone the raging and insulting. I try my best to be polite on the ladder and I refrain from insults. Now some people - most likely with a grudge - blew this out of proportion and told on EG's sponsors (2). Sponsor's got antsy, related pressure towards Alex (3). Orb is a new guy and therefore expendable and so he was fired (4). Then Mr. EG boss strolled in here and gave his moral high ground spiel, how proud he is of the community and how awesome his political correctness is (5). All the while other EG members have equal or worse transgressions in their past - even while being part of the EG organization. (6) Ranking all 5 events from understandable to disgusting, I would order them in this way: 3/4/1/2/6/5 For me this smells like there was an overreaction in the Orb case, so that when Idra or another cash cow pulls something similar, the Orb case gets pulled out in an argument of "we cannot possibly be racist, look how we dealt with Orb". | ||
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biomech
Germany380 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:37 threshy wrote: I have a question for those in this thread who are so defensive about being able to use racial and anti-gay slurs: why do those words have so much value to you? You all seem to understand that those words can deeply hurt others in a way that is especially deleterious to society, and some of you even seem to recognize that your use of those words, regardless of your intentions, entails an implicit assertion that others are inferior based on their race or sexual orientation. Knowing that, why do you persist? Why is it important to you to use those words? I am particularly puzzled in light of the assertion that many of you have made that, when you use these words, you don't mean to communicate anything racist or anti-gay--if you don't want to communicate that stuff, and, indeed, are offended when others think you are racist or homophobic, why do you insist on using the only words that are certain to cause people to receive that meaning from you? I've got my own ideas about why you guys behave this way, but I'm curious to hear what you think the reasons are. Actually you're right. Giving so much drama/attention to the simple occurrence of "that word" shows that, in their minds, "racism" is a much bigger deal than it actually is/should be. In fact, the way this is handled gives way more weight to the whole race thing than ever intended. doom loop! what a peaceful world we would live in, if one could say a word without another one being offended right away. | ||
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