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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On March 10 2012 05:50 Defacer wrote: I knew someone would post something like this. Hook, line and sinker! Hey dude, it's not nice to post such obvious bait like that. Be the white man. | ||
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-Popsycle-
34 Posts
Orb = little to nobody knows who he is and doesnt bring as much to gain Idra = is widely known, hugely popular, brings more to the table than any other EG member just about same reason is why people compare average mediocre players to incontrol. average mediocre player = is average incontrol = is average AND a huge publicity Both Idra and Control are publicity, EG will NOT let them go. as for Orb. he got the big cy@ | ||
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Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
On March 10 2012 05:56 -Popsycle- wrote: For those of you comparing Idra to Orb on BM on ladder Orb = little to nobody knows who he is and doesnt bring as much to gain Idra = is widely known, hugely popular, brings more to the table than any other EG member just about same reason is why people compare average mediocre players to incontrol. average mediocre player = is average incontrol = is average AND a huge publicity Both Idra and Control are publicity, EG will NOT let them go. as for Orb. he got the big cy@ How about, they know where to draw the line. | ||
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iokke
United States1179 Posts
Though at the same time i do wonder how many people who posted negatively about orb watch destiny's stream? | ||
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Karnage77
17 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:02 Karnage77 wrote: Being offended by the word nigger only gives the word more power. If a word makes you feel inferior then you are actualizing its truth. The TL community is turning into a bunch of whiny witch hunting nancy boys. I don't care one bit if eSports becomes super popular or professional. I don't want it to be monetized into a corporate machine. I personally prefer the casual nature of how it stands now. Stop being little bitches and get thicker skin. calling people nancy boys clearly doesnt make you a biggot... | ||
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-Popsycle-
34 Posts
On March 10 2012 05:57 Deckkie wrote: How about, they know where to draw the line. Dont see where i crossed the line? gave my input on orb and idra. And doesnt take a genius to know incontrol is average and hes basically in the same boat as Idra on not getting kicked from EG. | ||
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Karnage77
17 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:03 Zaros wrote: calling people nancy boys clearly doesnt make you a biggot... Thanks for being a perfect example of what I am talking about. | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:04 Karnage77 wrote: Thanks for being a perfect example of what I am talking about. And thank you for being yet another example of why this cleaning up of esports needs to happen from the top down. It's clearly not going to happen from the bottom up. | ||
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Frostmister
Sweden77 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:03 -Popsycle- wrote: Dont see where i crossed the line? gave my input on orb and idra. And doesnt take a genius to know incontrol is average and hes basically in the same boat as Idra on not getting kicked from EG. He means that IdrA and Incontrol knows where to draw the line. | ||
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Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:03 -Popsycle- wrote: Dont see where i crossed the line? gave my input on orb and idra. And doesnt take a genius to know incontrol is average and hes basically in the same boat as Idra on not getting kicked from EG. Not you, Orb. I am not from NA, so I dont know how it is there, but here you dont use those words. Maybe thats why I dont like destiny either, even though its an very smart and funny guy. | ||
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lvent
United States140 Posts
On March 10 2012 05:11 Chill wrote: Are we talking short term or long term? How many times will the sponsors accept this kind of reaction before they decide to shut it all down and pull out of the scene? So while using your definition of common sense I should burn my house down to solve a termite problem? It's the most effective measure to ensure they are 100% destroyed. So let's burn Starcraft down! Come on. Edit: The more I think about what you wrote, the more absurd it is. Line at the airport? Pull the fire alarm! Going to miss your exam? Call in a bomb threat! Common sense fighting! It all comes down to ROI. If they are getting pounded on sales and public opinion then it will be a really quick trigger. I hate to use this as an example, but take Howard Stern from his days on terrestrial radio. His sponsers/advertisers would come under enormous pressure, from every group imaginable. It wasnt for all of the companies but the ones that stayed must have gotten positive returns from the controversies. At the same token you have to wonder if they go wow, that fan base actually cares enough to take the time and be vocal about a displeasure enough so that they know about our product. Sponsors and teams talk more to work out any precieved issues, and who knows maybe a better end product comes about~ | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:02 Karnage77 wrote: Being offended by the word nigger only gives the word more power. If a word makes you feel inferior then you are actualizing its truth. The TL community is turning into a bunch of whiny witch hunting nancy boys. I don't care one bit if eSports becomes super popular or professional. I don't want it to be monetized into a corporate machine. I personally prefer the casual nature of how it stands now. Stop being little bitches and get thicker skin. Yah, I'm pretty sure the Punk and Graff scenes started out with the same attitude. They died. And all the talent moved on to better things. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
On March 10 2012 05:51 plogamer wrote: EG was forced into responding, yes. How heavily was EG's discretion. If you feel that there is an inconsistency, you can set it right by making complaints of Idra's behaviour. Instead, you are using it as a reason to disagree with EG's call on Orb tossing the n-word around. So how exactly are you not defending this? I'd like to ask how DuckS IS defending what Orb said? DuckS seems to believe that the community itself used unethical methods to undermine the authority of EG.Alex, forcing him to OVERREACT to something which could have been handled a number of different ways. I actually agree with this. I also disagree with people dropping n-bombs on the ladder, people digging up shit about someone from the past and using it to screw them over, selective culling of a single employee justified by conduct for which multiple employees can find themselves terminated... the list goes on. | ||
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tms
United States7 Posts
I am very happy that you took such a strong posture against Orb's actions and, just as importantly, did your research prior to making your statement. I'm happy that the community was outraged, and I'm happy with your response. You've made a supporter out of me. WP. | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
drama drama more when can we all act like big boys? | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
![[image loading]](http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/10/img_3986_1.jpg) What rage-defenders are fighting for: User was warned for this post | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On March 10 2012 05:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Err... perhaps I should have clarified: I'm a proud and patriotic American (although I recognize that there are negative stereotypes about us). There were also recent conversations on TL (different thread) about how Americans actually pretend to not be Americans when they travel (e.g. they pretend to be Canadian) so that they're treated better. Sorry for any confusion ^^ I understand that what you said was a joke (I said it was a joke), what I don't understand is why you didn't get banned for this joke. When I made a similar type of joke about the french people, I was banned. I just want some consistency from moderators. If this type for joke is unacceptable then it shouldn't matter if you are making fun of your own nation, it is the type of joke that is unacceptable, regardless of who says it. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:08 dUTtrOACh wrote: I'd like to ask how DuckS IS defending what Orb said? DuckS seems to believe that the community itself used unethical methods to undermine the authority of EG.Alex, forcing him to OVERREACT to something which could have been handled a number of different ways. I actually agree with this. I also disagree with people dropping n-bombs on the ladder, people digging up shit about someone from the past and using it to screw them over, selective culling of a single employee justified by conduct for which multiple employees can find themselves terminated... the list goes on. He was using inconsistency on EG's part as a defense to disagree with EG's call on Orb. That's about as clear as I can get, Sorry if it doesn't suffice. EG.Alex' authority is a concern for those serving under him - like his employees, not the community. Dug up or not, our past always haunts us. Frankly, Orb could have handled it better. His attempts at denial were, bluntly put, lies. EG made their decision. The community influenced it, but no one held a gun to Alex's head. | ||
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