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ZzZzZzZzZz everyone knows stephano is good. Ladder doesn't mean anything even if u r flawless in with no losses and still ranked #1 GM. Its not something new with stephano so dunno y this OP exists. Threads like this should be made if he has a 90% win rate on maps throughout a tournament. That'd be sick
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Stephano is one of the only foreigners that people still have hope can dominate (in korea/world)..
I think thats why he creates so many heated discussions..
If you look at the other foreigners who people had high hopes for mixing it up with the koreans, off the top of my head (and IMO) you have:
jinro - love the guy, and the dude was beasting early on but has fallen from grace and been largely non-competitive with the high level koreans since, heres hoping he gets it together again!
huk - probably the most consistant (in terms of battling koreans over the life of sc2), but has also made a fall from grace recently, still a boss and probably the best foreigner but i think people are losing hopes of him winning that gsl title..
idra - not much needs to be said about idra.. at one point he was scary and people thought it was only his mentality holding him back.. now hes barely competitive in tournaments and even finishing below eu/na opponents in group stages..
naniwa - robbed of opportunity due to gom revoking his seed but other than that, people had huge hopes for naniwa and he really hasnt performed or shown any results during his time in korea.. (still hoping he can/will rectify this!)
sen - in fairness to sen, when he's been in korea i think hes been moderately successful, but the guy just hasnt been seen as often as needed to definitively say hes the great non-korean hope..
and then you have (apologies for missing anyone as this is just off the top of my head real quick) Stephano, who has been on a steady rise for quite some time now, dominating foreigners and showing he can mix it up with the koreans.. which is why i think he is the only current hope for the foreign community that one of 'their guys' can be the dominant force in sc2..
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So many haters mad because of Stephanos success lol. He has proven he can compete with the best he goes to Korea and he makes top 10 GM in Korea in a day or two with a 70%+ win rate.
Stephano needs to get his butt back in Korea and take on the GSL.
It was the most entertaining stream i've ever watched Stephano vs Koreans.
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On March 08 2012 10:38 johnny123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 10:19 zJayy962 wrote:On March 08 2012 10:00 johnny123 wrote:
obviously nobody can say stephano is the best foreigner indefinitely, However over the last year. Stephano has proved time and time again he is the best foreigner ,anybody saying stuff like idra is better or idra has better mechanics has deluded themselfs with pure bias.
If you go into stephano's fanpage, you will see some replays of him vs idra (cale) while he was in korea. Stephano never dropped a map against him and even embarrassed him with a masssssssssssss queen push in zvz, 3 games, 3-0.
then i heard guys say these guys are better "idra/sen/sleep/violet" . Good joke i say.
As said , he already ran circles around idra, The last time stephano and sen meet stephano won. I dont think stephano has ever faced sleep but im sure he would rape him. And the last time stephano meet violet was in IPL3 where he dominated him. Keep bringing them on, haters gonna hate. He is our best
I don't disagree with your point that Stephano MAY be the best foreigner but you should realize that you are only comparing Stephano's zvz with other zergs. That isn't an indication of skill. let me guess, you are an idra fanboy and you follow his mentality that zvz means nothing because its coinflip and does not prove skill. Yet they are guys out there with over 70% winrate in the matchup. One would wish the coin could have flipped atleast once for idra? , he lost to lucky in gsl, he lost to nestea in gsl, he lost to darkforce yesterday in iem,he lost to nestea in mlg, he can never beat zenio to save his life. Boy that coin should have flipped for him atleast one series. stephano raped lucky in ipl, stephano always beats darkforce on eu ladder, Against nestea i dont know who would win, but it would be close in my opinion between those 2. Only bads say zvz is luck /coinflip
Jumping to too many conclusions with a rather hostile post. What does IdrA have to do with me disagreeing that Stephano is the undisputed best foreigner?
Stop being a dick and read the post I made compared to the post I was quoting.
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I haven't played for over half a year so watching Stephanos stream and replays really confuses me.
He always goes hatch first vs Terran with minimal scouting, what if they bunker rush and/or 2 racks pressure him?
Versus Protoss he usually hatches his second expansion before he even scouted past the forge/wall, he doesn't even know if there's actually a nexus behind it and doesnt really scout for potential 4 gates or whatever.
I see him droning blindly with like 4 speedless zerglings... Why don't people punish him for his greediness more? I understand the meta game shifted the past few months and the game is much less cheesy now, but still, how can he defend it if he doesnt scout it?
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hatch first vs Terran is the norm and so is getting a fast third vs ffe. why would anyone plant down a forge if not for a nexus later on? anyway he knows what he can get away with with the information he has. that is all.
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On March 09 2012 00:49 magha wrote:
I haven't played for over half a year so watching Stephanos stream and replays really confuses me.
He always goes hatch first vs Terran with minimal scouting, what if they bunker rush and/or 2 racks pressure him?
Versus Protoss he usually hatches his second expansion before he even scouted past the forge/wall, he doesn't even know if there's actually a nexus behind it and doesnt really scout for potential 4 gates or whatever.
I see him droning blindly with like 4 speedless zerglings... Why don't people punish him for his greediness more? I understand the meta game shifted the past few months and the game is much less cheesy now, but still, how can he defend it if he doesnt scout it?
He defends Bunker Rushs like a boss. Yesterday he defeats a one base push 3 tanks tons of marines with nothing. It was godly, the best hold I ever seen.
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On March 09 2012 00:49 magha wrote:
I haven't played for over half a year so watching Stephanos stream and replays really confuses me.
He always goes hatch first vs Terran with minimal scouting, what if they bunker rush and/or 2 racks pressure him?
Versus Protoss he usually hatches his second expansion before he even scouted past the forge/wall, he doesn't even know if there's actually a nexus behind it and doesnt really scout for potential 4 gates or whatever.
I see him droning blindly with like 4 speedless zerglings... Why don't people punish him for his greediness more? I understand the meta game shifted the past few months and the game is much less cheesy now, but still, how can he defend it if he doesnt scout it?
That is why everyone who tries to copy Stephano fails: they just die, whereas he somehow almost never loses to early attacks, no matter the lack of scouting and units, it's really strange when you watch him stream really.
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On March 09 2012 00:49 magha wrote:
I haven't played for over half a year so watching Stephanos stream and replays really confuses me.
He always goes hatch first vs Terran with minimal scouting, what if they bunker rush and/or 2 racks pressure him?
Versus Protoss he usually hatches his second expansion before he even scouted past the forge/wall, he doesn't even know if there's actually a nexus behind it and doesnt really scout for potential 4 gates or whatever.
I see him droning blindly with like 4 speedless zerglings... Why don't people punish him for his greediness more? I understand the meta game shifted the past few months and the game is much less cheesy now, but still, how can he defend it if he doesnt scout it?
He's incredibly active with those 4 slow lings though, constantly searching for proxies, poking the protoss base and making sure there's nothing leaving it. And his defence is incredible, he can do things with a queen and a handful of slow lings that you wouldn't believe.
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Look, what lastshadow send me via pm
Original Message From lastshadow:
again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill.
I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying).
I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers.
Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well.
i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person.
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On March 09 2012 01:08 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 00:49 magha wrote:
I haven't played for over half a year so watching Stephanos stream and replays really confuses me.
He always goes hatch first vs Terran with minimal scouting, what if they bunker rush and/or 2 racks pressure him?
Versus Protoss he usually hatches his second expansion before he even scouted past the forge/wall, he doesn't even know if there's actually a nexus behind it and doesnt really scout for potential 4 gates or whatever.
I see him droning blindly with like 4 speedless zerglings... Why don't people punish him for his greediness more? I understand the meta game shifted the past few months and the game is much less cheesy now, but still, how can he defend it if he doesnt scout it? That is why everyone who tries to copy Stephano fails: they just die, whereas he somehow almost never loses to early attacks, no matter the lack of scouting and units, it's really strange when you watch him stream really.
This, it makes him retardedly strong. He takes 3rd at minute 6 in ZvT and has 70 drones ate minute 11 whilst he only scout the 3rd and 4th gas timing, yet he could defend any hellion marine medivac aggression easily. Great to watch.
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On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote:Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Show nested quote +Original Message From lastshadow:
again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill.
I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying).
I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers.
Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person.
Yah, weak. If he feels that way just post it publicly.
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On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote:Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Show nested quote +Original Message From lastshadow:
again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill.
I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying).
I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers.
Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person.
Yes, and by posting his _PM_ public makes you any better. You are like the biggest lastshadow and MajOr hater on this forum. You are shitting on them and making dumb statements whenever you get the chance to.
The only ignorant person here is you, just talking shit is all you do.
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On March 09 2012 02:04 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote:Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow:
again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill.
I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying).
I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers.
Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yes, and by posting his _PM_ public makes you any better. You are like the biggest lastshadow and MajOr hater on this forum. You are shitting on them and making dumb statements whenever you get the chance to. The only ignorant person here is you, just talking shit is all you do.
what are you talking about?
His character isnt strong enough for sending this public.
On March 09 2012 02:01 RinconH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote:Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow:
again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill.
I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying).
I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers.
Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yah, weak. If he feels that way just post it publicly.
i have no shame for sending this here, because his personality isnt good enough for giving me answer in public.
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On March 09 2012 02:06 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 02:04 Gosi wrote:On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote:Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow:
again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill.
I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying).
I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers.
Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yes, and by posting his _PM_ public makes you any better. You are like the biggest lastshadow and MajOr hater on this forum. You are shitting on them and making dumb statements whenever you get the chance to. The only ignorant person here is you, just talking shit is all you do. what are you talking about? His character isnt strong enough for sending this public. Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 02:01 RinconH wrote:On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote:Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow:
again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill.
I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying).
I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers.
Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yah, weak. If he feels that way just post it publicly. i have no shame for sending this here, because his personality isnt good enough for giving me answer in public.
Nice ninja edit. For those wondering, dragonborn said that lastshadow deserved it because he was a cheater in SC1.
I wondered how long it would take for dragonborn to bring that up. Looks like he doesn't have the strength of character to keep his opinion posted up, though.
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On March 09 2012 02:06 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 02:04 Gosi wrote:On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote:Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow:
again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill.
I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying).
I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers.
Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yes, and by posting his _PM_ public makes you any better. You are like the biggest lastshadow and MajOr hater on this forum. You are shitting on them and making dumb statements whenever you get the chance to. The only ignorant person here is you, just talking shit is all you do. what are you talking about? lastshadow isnt a "wise guy", he is a cheater from sc1.Also his character isnt strong enough for sending this public.
Maybe because it doesn't add anything to the discussion and is off topic? And some things were ment to not go public (like major joining a korean team, but that wasn't so hard to understand but still). But yeah you got your chance to throw some shit, and of course you took it. 
And didn't lastshadow cheat like 4-5 years ago? He got banned, and teamliquid forgave him and thats why he is here now. Let it go already. He may be a cheater forever in your eyes but he is a better sc2 player than any of us will probably ever be and by being in korea and have the conections he got you shouldn't be bitching about what he says when he got the better insight of things than you.
EDIT: Funny how you bring up strong character and you can't even stand for things you say yourself. Hmm,,,
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i dunno who this last shadow guy is, but i have a feeling hes pretty jealous of stephano :D , This is a guy that has only been korea for 2 weeks and is feared at every tournament he goes to. And all this lastshadow can talk about is juan and his finally making it to grandmaster accomplishments. Stephano will shit all over juan, Puma is in korea grandmaster as well. Guess what the score was at assembly, 3-0 lol.
anyway, i dont think anybody here is claiming stephano is the best player ever, all we are saying is he is the best forigener, i personally think MMA /DRG and numerous korean terrans will stomp stephano to the ground. But that doesnt mean hes not the best foreigner, only close contender might be huk, but stephano has proven time and time again he owns huk really bad in zvp. , Huk cannot beat stephano. Only foreigner i can say stands a chance against stephano is naniwa.
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On March 09 2012 02:06 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 02:04 Gosi wrote:On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote:Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow:
again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill.
I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying).
I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers.
Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yes, and by posting his _PM_ public makes you any better. You are like the biggest lastshadow and MajOr hater on this forum. You are shitting on them and making dumb statements whenever you get the chance to. The only ignorant person here is you, just talking shit is all you do. what are you talking about? His character isnt strong enough for sending this public. Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 02:01 RinconH wrote:On March 09 2012 01:55 dragonborn wrote:Look, what lastshadow send me via pm Original Message From lastshadow:
again you coorelate a few tournament matches to actual skill.
I wanna take the time to point out you cant see things in peoples play the way I and other top players can, this is why you never see top players name drop Kas above major (oh i guess you didnt realize this), you also see Ret even say Stephano is the best zerg, but idra is still the best mechanics (just like I'm saying).
I want to also take the time to say you're a fucking retard, point blank, because obviously if you had any perception about this game, you probably wouldn't be as bad as you must be at the game to talk so ignorantly about tournament results that don't even really matter anymore (your words) in your defense for 'sjow/kas/stephano' There's a reason Juan is about to join a Korean team, there's also a reason he's the only foreign Terran that has ever hit GM on Korea with very high-winrate (before his MMR tank to achieve mutalisk portrait). And I'm sorry dear, but GM on Korea means something, unlike the other servers.
Now I remember why no pro players almost ever argue or post, and the ones that do (IdrA, etc) are all point blank to openly call people like you retarded. Oh well. i hope this guy never gets enough respect from community, such a disrespectul and ignorant person. Yah, weak. If he feels that way just post it publicly. i have no shame for sending this here, because his personality isnt good enough for giving me answer in public.
Or maybe, just maybe he didn't want to derail this topic about Stephano any further 
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On March 09 2012 01:08 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 00:49 magha wrote:
I haven't played for over half a year so watching Stephanos stream and replays really confuses me.
He always goes hatch first vs Terran with minimal scouting, what if they bunker rush and/or 2 racks pressure him?
Versus Protoss he usually hatches his second expansion before he even scouted past the forge/wall, he doesn't even know if there's actually a nexus behind it and doesnt really scout for potential 4 gates or whatever.
I see him droning blindly with like 4 speedless zerglings... Why don't people punish him for his greediness more? I understand the meta game shifted the past few months and the game is much less cheesy now, but still, how can he defend it if he doesnt scout it? That is why everyone who tries to copy Stephano fails: they just die, whereas he somehow almost never loses to early attacks, no matter the lack of scouting and units, it's really strange when you watch him stream really.
I watched his stream and when he explained his thought process things seemed so clear. Most pros are okay at reading what the opponent is doing but Stephano can figure out what the opponent is doing pretty much every time because he knows where to look and when. Also, he doens't lose to blink stalker timings because he explained his roach micro against it. He just rushes up to the stalkers to force blink and then attack, heh.
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