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On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote:
Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you.
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances.
Juan? thats major guy not even pass round 1 in EWM, right?
also lets talk about mechanics, in your world IdrA is the best zerg with best mechanics, but he is keep losing to eu players.WHY? because mechanics isnt everything in sc2. SjoW with 80 apm and superior to Major, and stephano superior to IdrA in every way.
Stop being jealous, you and major never been good and accomplished as Stephano/Kas/SjoW.
Also this picture fitting perfect on major and you
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NfhXK.jpg)
good ol' lastshadow, face with the truth.
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On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote:
Stephano's stream - 10k views
MKP's stream - 1,7k views
Destiny's stream - 1,6k views
He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon
Why is Destiny in the comparison ? Yes, MKP "deserves" more viewers, but Destiny ?
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On March 07 2012 23:09 HornyHerring wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 18:36 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
Stephano is a great player, the EU ladder is not the worst ladder but is no where near as good as Korea so these type of streaks are possible. Not the worst? It's the second hardest after Korean, lol.
To be fair I think NA is better now at the higher levels I play gms on both and euro is cheesy as fuck. Na tends to macro more which is better for practice imo. I always just get cheesed and either die or usually defend the cheese then destroy them later.
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On March 08 2012 07:47 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote:
"IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze
http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp#alltime the mvp stephano faced has never been in bronze. Also isnt mvp in europe or going to be in europe for the  Iron Squid?
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On March 08 2012 07:58 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 07:22 zefreak wrote:On March 08 2012 07:12 00Visor wrote:On March 08 2012 06:54 Zeon0 wrote:
DRG did a 10pool vs Stephano, it wasnt even a game where Stephano could show his skill
the win vs Hero wasnt worth that much too, Hero was 0-4 that day, one could say he sucked that day.
two bo1 wins mean less than nothing, dont act like Stephano is a multiple GSL winner because of them I'm glad that haters had to go up to say, Stephano is overhyped because he is not a multiple GSL winner. I can live with that. This is the kind of thing that turns people off of Stephano. Hes a great player, I want to say he is the best foreigner, but shit like this is so obnoxious. Stephano has won IPL 3 and..? A bunch of small tournaments? To even compare him to DRG is a joke. I wouldn't be surprised if he could hack it in Code S, but then again I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped straight to code B either. There are so many quality players in Code B/A that when watching their games look just as good as Stephano. He definitely hasn't looked unbeatable in tournaments lately.. What makes anyone think he is a contender for Code S championship yet? First you are a strange person if you judge people not by them but by other people's actions. Also their actions are obnoxious to you because ? Because they overhype Stephano, I suppose with your logic you must hate nearly every progamer ever unless you are hypocrite. ESWC was not a small tournament. And as for people saying thet he maybe can do it in cose S. Of course he can, more than one foreigner actually can. Note that Liquid Zenio is in code S and Zenio's ZvT and ZvP are not that great. Is he a player that can stay in GSL for a long time and/or achieve high placements there ? That is completely different question. I think Stephano actually can with some longer stay in Korea, but I cannot state it unless he tries. Also note that I picked Zenio, but there are more players that skirt the code S boundary and are more than mortal compared to top foreigners.
I don't judge stephano by his fans. I said he is currently one of the best foreigners and the best foreign zerg. His fans can be extremely naive, however, and whenever something is hyped up by an overzealous fan base there is a negative response to it. I sometimes wonder just how familiar some of his fans are with the korean scene or if they only follow EU because they are (probably) from there.
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On March 08 2012 08:02 Archybaldie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 07:47 zefreak wrote:On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote:
"IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp#alltime the mvp stephano faced has never been in bronze. Also isnt mvp in europe or going to be in europe for the iron squid?
Its a little strange that MVP would play so many games on EU though....... maybe its a shared IM account that they'll use for him for IronSquid?
It look like MVP's style of play, especially late game with the drops and hatch denying. Not many terrans can multi-task like that.... plus the way he held out til the very end was very Korean style....
I'd say 50/50.....
Why would such a good T use that smurf?
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On March 08 2012 08:02 Archybaldie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 07:47 zefreak wrote:On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote:
"IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp#alltime the mvp stephano faced has never been in bronze. Also isnt mvp in europe or going to be in europe for the Iron Squid?
It is probably not MVP, but as you can see on the graph, his wins are legit. Maybe Kas? I don't know. He used to be a ladder beast. Having 1000 games more played than others.
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On March 08 2012 08:02 Archybaldie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 07:47 zefreak wrote:On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote:
"IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp#alltime the mvp stephano faced has never been in bronze. Also isnt mvp in europe or going to be in europe for the Iron Squid?
nope iron squid is all online and played a while ago, finals are offline in paris but not for another 2 months, mvp would not be there this early
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On March 08 2012 08:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 08:02 Archybaldie wrote:On March 08 2012 07:47 zefreak wrote:On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote:
"IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp#alltime the mvp stephano faced has never been in bronze. Also isnt mvp in europe or going to be in europe for the Iron Squid? It is probably not MVP, but as you can see on the graph, his wins are legit. Maybe Kas? I don't know. He used to be a ladder beast. Having 1000 games more played than others.
I honestly think it might be Juan. If you think about it he's like the biggest IMvp fan and he's really good but then again I have no idea why he would practice on the EU ladder when he's in Korea. Might be time to compare the spam patterns?
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On March 08 2012 08:07 IMNasty wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 08:02 Archybaldie wrote:On March 08 2012 07:47 zefreak wrote:On March 08 2012 07:46 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 07:43 Koshi wrote:
"IMMVP" just got rolled. Damn. That guy got good stats. Ya, at first didn't think it was MVP, but the 220 - 20 record is pretty amazing. Plus his drops and siege tank placement were quite expert. Not sure It's not, just someone who abused the ladder by tanking his mmr to bronze http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp#alltime the mvp stephano faced has never been in bronze. Also isnt mvp in europe or going to be in europe for the Iron Squid? nope iron squid is all online and played a while ago, finals are offline in paris but not for another 2 months, mvp would not be there this early
Thank you, That mvp played pretty damn well vs stephano. But its probabaly not him i'm just curious who it is that seemed to play that well..
*edit* and ive had more then my usual amount of caffine so i occasionally get over excited and it takes me a few minutes to realise lol.
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The guy is a damn comedian. Watch his stream guys!
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On March 08 2012 07:58 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote:
Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you.
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances.
Juan? thats major guy not even pass round 1 in EWM, right? also lets talk about mechanics, in your world IdrA is the best zerg with best mechanics, but he is keep losing to eu players. WHY? because mechanics isnt everything in sc2. SjoW with 80 apm and superior to Major, and stephano superior to IdrA in every way. good ol' lastshadow.
I said idra has the best overall mechanics for Zerg for foreigners, which is true.
I've said DRG has the best overall mechanics for Zerg, in the world, which is true.
Did you just bring up EWM? Then bring up every other top korean that also dropped in round 1, oh now you just look silly, guess you didn't consider that.
I never said Stephano was bad, again, he's a great player, infact his egg-mechanic is something to be admired (many koreans gave up trying to learn in fact), but [overall] his mechanics are worse than IdrAs, what we see stephano be great at is his timings/awareness, which is superior to IdrA's
And I'm not even going to comment on your Sjow thing lol.
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IdrA's mechanics have been unimpressive these last few tournaments he's played in. Don't know why he still gets credit for having the best mechanics among foriegners.
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On March 08 2012 07:59 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote:
Stephano's stream - 10k views
MKP's stream - 1,7k views
Destiny's stream - 1,6k views
He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon Why is Destiny in the comparison ? Yes, MKP "deserves" more viewers, but Destiny ?
I'm not really a Destiny follower but I'm pretty sure he is referring to when Destiny was a very popular streamer averaging around 6k viewers most of the time. Now a lot of people are off of his "bandwagon".
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On March 08 2012 08:16 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 07:58 dragonborn wrote:On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote:
Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you.
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances.
Juan? thats major guy not even pass round 1 in EWM, right? also lets talk about mechanics, in your world IdrA is the best zerg with best mechanics, but he is keep losing to eu players. WHY? because mechanics isnt everything in sc2. SjoW with 80 apm and superior to Major, and stephano superior to IdrA in every way. good ol' lastshadow. I said idra has the best overall mechanics for Zerg for foreigners, which is true. I've said DRG has the best overall mechanics for Zerg, in the world, which is true. Did you just bring up EWM? Then bring up every other top korean that also dropped in round 1, oh now you just look silly, guess you didn't consider that. I never said Stephano was bad, again, he's a great player, infact his egg-mechanic is something to be admired (many koreans gave up trying to learn in fact), but [overall] his mechanics are worse than IdrAs, what we see stephano be great at is his timings/awareness, which is superior to IdrA's And I'm not even going to comment on your Sjow thing lol.
Well DRG himself said Stephano mechanics are very good, he never said that about idra to my knowledge 
And what are mechanics exactly ? If it's injects and to know when to drone, he is far superior to Idra atm.
Anyway, as the guy above said, he is now speaking on his stream, this is extremly entertaining, so watch it
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On March 08 2012 08:16 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 07:58 dragonborn wrote:On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote:
Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you.
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances.
Juan? thats major guy not even pass round 1 in EWM, right? also lets talk about mechanics, in your world IdrA is the best zerg with best mechanics, but he is keep losing to eu players. WHY? because mechanics isnt everything in sc2. SjoW with 80 apm and superior to Major, and stephano superior to IdrA in every way. good ol' lastshadow. I said idra has the best overall mechanics for Zerg for foreigners, which is true.I've said DRG has the best overall mechanics for Zerg, in the world, which is true. Did you just bring up EWM? Then bring up every other top korean that also dropped in round 1, oh now you just look silly, guess you didn't consider that. I never said Stephano was bad, again, he's a great player, infact his egg-mechanic is something to be admired (many koreans gave up trying to learn in fact), but [overall] his mechanics are worse than IdrAs, what we see stephano be great at is his timings/awareness, which is superior to IdrA's And I'm not even going to comment on your Sjow thing lol.
You lost me at Idra. Either I misunderstand what you mean by mechanics or IMHO you have a blind spot when it comes to evaluating SC2 players.
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On March 08 2012 08:16 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 07:58 dragonborn wrote:On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote:
Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you.
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances.
Juan? thats major guy not even pass round 1 in EWM, right? also lets talk about mechanics, in your world IdrA is the best zerg with best mechanics, but he is keep losing to eu players. WHY? because mechanics isnt everything in sc2. SjoW with 80 apm and superior to Major, and stephano superior to IdrA in every way. good ol' lastshadow. I said idra has the best overall mechanics for Zerg for foreigners, which is true. I've said DRG has the best overall mechanics for Zerg, in the world, which is true. Did you just bring up EWM? Then bring up every other top korean that also dropped in round 1, oh now you just look silly, guess you didn't consider that. I never said Stephano was bad, again, he's a great player, infact his egg-mechanic is something to be admired (many koreans gave up trying to learn in fact), but [overall] his mechanics are worse than IdrAs, what we see stephano be great at is his timings/awareness, which is superior to IdrA's And I'm not even going to comment on your Sjow thing lol.
No top Koreans play in EWM silly goose.
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I wish Stephano would hurry up and move to Korea. He can't learn to beat players like Polt etc by destroying eu players every day.
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On March 08 2012 08:16 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 07:58 dragonborn wrote:On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote:
Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you.
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances.
Juan? thats major guy not even pass round 1 in EWM, right? also lets talk about mechanics, in your world IdrA is the best zerg with best mechanics, but he is keep losing to eu players. WHY? because mechanics isnt everything in sc2. SjoW with 80 apm and superior to Major, and stephano superior to IdrA in every way. good ol' lastshadow. I said idra has the best overall mechanics for Zerg for foreigners, which is true. I've said DRG has the best overall mechanics for Zerg, in the world, which is true. Did you just bring up EWM? Then bring up every other top korean that also dropped in round 1, oh now you just look silly, guess you didn't consider that. I never said Stephano was bad, again, he's a great player, infact his egg-mechanic is something to be admired (many koreans gave up trying to learn in fact), but [overall] his mechanics are worse than IdrAs, what we see stephano be great at is his timings/awareness, which is superior to IdrA's And I'm not even going to comment on your Sjow thing lol.
Stephano is the SUPERIOR player to IdrA in every possibly way.IdrA's mechanics was good when first 8 month of starcraft 2, now IdrA isnt something special.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Raleigh who is the highest placed foreigner? Where was MajOr?
oh wait, he was busy for losing SEA player JazBas in blizzcon 
Stop being jealous and face with the truth, these players superior to your friends like IdrA/major.
also Top korean players playing in EWM? i thought they were in code S, LOL.
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On March 08 2012 07:28 Odoakar wrote:
Stephano's stream - 10k views
MKP's stream - 1,7k views
Destiny's stream - 1,6k views
He's good but it's incredible how quickly people hop on a bandwagon
I'm not a big fan, but I watched because the zergs that are better than him weren't streaming (idra/sen/sleep/violet) He's still good to watch, though you're not gonnna learn too much given his playstyle.
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