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On March 08 2012 12:13 hsun wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 11:25 lichter wrote:
You are correct that Jessica is being very dramatic about the whole issue and should not have said so much on twitter for everyone to see. Her feelings are understandable but that does not mean that they should be expressed openly for everyone to read. She has fault in this, obviously.
However you are not giving Dragon his due fault in this issue. Your two scenarios are biased twists on the actual situation, which has been more or less determined for a while now.
Dragon tweeted that he had decided to leave SlayerS without actually informing the team beforehand. When asked about his reasons, he stated that it was because he wanted to focus on work and only play Sc2 as a hobby. For those claiming he was not actively searching for a team, Dragon tweeted one month later that he had been searching for a team the whole time, and those who watch him stream also attest to his frequent inquiries into foreign teams. This is not a "white lie". He was on the team, and decided to lie to get out of the team when all he had to do was tell the truth.
And about his "minor mistake", it was not minor. He cheated during a tournament (and supposedly on ladder as well). In no way is that minor and immediately forgiveable. His apology was not "graceful" in any way because he went overboard, stating he would no longer pursue a progaming career (which he obviously did not mean, so he should not have said it). He was criticized when he joined a tournament right after. His mistake was not minor. Your view on the subject is unfortunately misguided.
I do think he deserves to be given a chance to prove himself, but forgiveness should be earned. He will be redeemed when he proves that he has learned his lesson, has matured, and now understands the consequences of his actions. You did not comprehend anything I said. I have acknowledged that Dragon make mistakes in his past; that is giving him his due fault, and I forgave him. Also, I never said he lied, I said even if he lied, it was still a white lie because his intent was to probably save their face. Do you understand the concept of saving face? My scenarios and your scenario are conjectures, true, but there is no reason for me to believe or accept your version over mine. I have watched him stream. I know he wanted a foreign team. So what? What's the big deal? He left Slayers, then changed his mind; what the one guy posted about occam's razor, and is probably closest to the truth. Cheating during a tournament. We agree he should be given a second chance, but how long do you plan to crucify him? He has been crucified enough, when it happened and even now, especially in his streams by haters who come and talk smack to him. And how should he redeem himself? Not handling it gracefully? What are you talking about? Look at Bill Clinton, going into the very definition of the word "is" and only later, after trials, officially making an apology. And some people just deny worse situations they're guilty of, saying there's no conclusive evidence. Dragon APOLOGIZED immediately, and true, he went overboard in the spur of the moment, saying he would not participate in future tournaments, because he felt deeply ashamed and regretful over it. He wants to play again, and you want to kill him over what he said. Minor/not minor mistake. This is subjective. No one ever said anything about it being immediately forgivable. What, is more than a year and half too short a time span for you? I think we have mostly different viewpoints, and we are going to continue to disagree about alot of things in anger, so I'm ending my discussion with you here.
Dragon did not apologize immediately. He kept denying it over and over and WeRRa clan actually pressured STC to apologize for his initial accusations. However, evidences just kept piling up, all people were talking about on the Korean forums was Dragon, and he finally cracked and made a rude post saying something along the lines of "Yeah, I did it, so what?", which he took down shortly. Cella and Gundam later made him put up an actual apology post.
Come on... just how many times do I need to correct people making up stories?
PS: Oh, and about his apology, it is obviously debatable how sincere it was, but most Koreans who read it in their native language didn't think it sounded sincere at all. That is, at least the ones who were posting on the forums during that period.
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I'm surprised that people freak out when Jessica gets so mad and defensive about her players, it is honestly one of the reasons I like the SlayerS team so much. Her attachment to the players perhaps isn't the best for her mentality and running the team, but it sure as hell makes the team feel much more like a family. She does a ton of little things for her players, like making them all food at foreign tournies to make sure they don't get sick from strange food, and making sure they feel comfortable. The whole team seems much more like a family than some of the other teams, which is saying something, as most of the Korean teams seem to be very tightly-knit.
And I can see why she is upset, I would be pretty disappointed if I had been lied to as well. It isn't like leaving SlayerS is a poisonous situation, as she pointed out. Others have done it before. But to lie about your intentions is just rude and should be frowned upon. Should the community be focusing on it? Probably not, but I can see why Jessica would be mad about it. I would be, if I was in her situation.
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If there's one thing you cannot fault Jessica for, it's her commitment and passion to SlayerS
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I wasn't aware talking a lot of shit on twitter was a part of Korean Culture. You learn something new everyday
On a more serious note, she should really act more professional. It just doesn't set a good example.
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On March 08 2012 12:13 hsun wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 11:25 lichter wrote:
You are correct that Jessica is being very dramatic about the whole issue and should not have said so much on twitter for everyone to see. Her feelings are understandable but that does not mean that they should be expressed openly for everyone to read. She has fault in this, obviously.
However you are not giving Dragon his due fault in this issue. Your two scenarios are biased twists on the actual situation, which has been more or less determined for a while now.
Dragon tweeted that he had decided to leave SlayerS without actually informing the team beforehand. When asked about his reasons, he stated that it was because he wanted to focus on work and only play Sc2 as a hobby. For those claiming he was not actively searching for a team, Dragon tweeted one month later that he had been searching for a team the whole time, and those who watch him stream also attest to his frequent inquiries into foreign teams. This is not a "white lie". He was on the team, and decided to lie to get out of the team when all he had to do was tell the truth.
And about his "minor mistake", it was not minor. He cheated during a tournament (and supposedly on ladder as well). In no way is that minor and immediately forgiveable. His apology was not "graceful" in any way because he went overboard, stating he would no longer pursue a progaming career (which he obviously did not mean, so he should not have said it). He was criticized when he joined a tournament right after. His mistake was not minor. Your view on the subject is unfortunately misguided.
I do think he deserves to be given a chance to prove himself, but forgiveness should be earned. He will be redeemed when he proves that he has learned his lesson, has matured, and now understands the consequences of his actions. You did not comprehend anything I said. I have acknowledged that Dragon make mistakes in his past; that is giving him his due fault, and I forgave him. Also, I never said he lied, I said even if he lied, it was still a white lie because his intent was to probably save their face. Do you understand the concept of saving face? My scenarios and your scenario are conjectures, true, but there is no reason for me to believe or accept your version over mine. I have watched him stream. I know he wanted a foreign team. So what? What's the big deal? He left Slayers, then changed his mind; what the one guy posted about occam's razor, and is probably closest to the truth. Cheating during a tournament. We agree he should be given a second chance, but how long do you plan to crucify him? He has been crucified enough, when it happened and even now, especially in his streams by haters who come and talk smack to him. And how should he redeem himself? Not handling it gracefully? What are you talking about? Look at Bill Clinton, going into the very definition of the word "is" and only later, after trials, officially making an apology. And some people just deny worse situations they're guilty of, saying there's no conclusive evidence. Dragon APOLOGIZED immediately, and true, he went overboard in the spur of the moment, saying he would not participate in future tournaments, because he felt deeply ashamed and regretful over it. He wants to play again, and you want to kill him over what he said. Minor/not minor mistake. This is subjective. No one ever said anything about it being immediately forgivable. What, is more than a year and half too short a time span for you? I think we have mostly different viewpoints, and we are going to continue to disagree about alot of things in anger, so I'm ending my discussion with you here.
I'm not angry at all, I just don't want people to throw out such harsh criticism on one side and downplay the fault of the other.
You didn't say he lied; I said he lied. And his lie was to save his own face, not SlayerS. I cannot imagine how you could interpret his actions as one that intended to protect SlayerS. It doesn't matter if it was a white lie, a blue lie, or a flat out lie. He was on the team and the team trusted him. The least he could do was inform them properly, and to tell them the real reason. Getting out of contracts/agreements (verbal or written) with lies is a reprehensible act no matter how you look at it.
Evidence already shows that he did not change his mind (or at least, it took him less than a day to). He posted on twitter a month after leaving that he had already spent that month searching for a new team. If he wanted a new team, he should have left SlayerS properly. Then there would not be any problem.
I'm not crucifying him; in fact I am open to forgive him. He's done little to help or harm his reputation since the incident, and that's why I have not judged him. You'll see that I have never called him any name, insulted him, or said anything about never forgiving him.
His apology was not, in any way, graceful, as a poster above me explains.
If people here can forgive Dragon for what he's done (cheating in a tournament and lying to SlayerS), I fail to see why everyone is so upset and overreacting to Jessica venting her frustrations (on her personal account) on twitter. Yes, it was not in the bet interest of all parties involve for her to do so, and she was mistaken. Just as Dragon was mistaken. So why so much mudslinging from each side at each other? Seriously guys.
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On March 08 2012 14:06 RicochetSEA wrote:
If there's one thing you cannot fault Jessica for, it's her commitment and passion to SlayerS
Yah, nothing screams passion like publicly berating a former player. Jessica is a drama queen and examples like these should not be put in a positive light. Her conduct is wrong not matter if there is truth to what she's saying.
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On March 07 2012 20:49 -orb- wrote:
Jessica should take some courses on PR
Her business sense is amazing but holy shit does she handle these situations poorly
d'ohohoho
edit: btw i fully support jessica on this, dragon shouldn't have lied.
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On March 08 2012 16:35 BasilForSkin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:49 -orb- wrote:
Jessica should take some courses on PR
Her business sense is amazing but holy shit does she handle these situations poorly d'ohohoho edit: btw i fully support jessica on this, dragon shouldn't have lied.
Whether or not Dragon lied and how bad a thing that is to do is not necessarily relevant. You do not criticize former members of your team like this in a public domain. It only serves to make you (and possibly the target) look bad, you gain nothing. This should have been handled privately if it should have been handled at all.
If you really feel a public statement is in order, then make an official well thought out press release. Do not go post emotional outbursts about it on twitter.
People keep saying Korean culture is different, but these days that seems a catch-all excuse for any problem in the Korean scene. Often the people bringing it up have no extensive experience with Korean business practices. Even if it is traditionally handled like this in Korea (which I doubt, no other team have these ridiculous twitter posts all the time), then a team wishing to operate within an international industry needs to be considerate of other cultures. All successful global enterprises have learned to leave behind cultural idiosyncrasies that make them look retarded to a large part of their market.
SlayerS is only hurting themselves, and even if they are somehow entitled to this response by Korean culture, it is still in their best interest to not act like this.
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Atleast I support Jessica and Slayers on this, I cant see how they are hurting themselves...
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Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure.
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I thought everyone was aware that Dragon was looking for a team right after leaving Slayers? Am I wrong? He even tweeted about looking for a new team a while back.
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On March 08 2012 17:36 ranshaked wrote:Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure.
ranshaked i'll give you the most accurate korean-to-english translation of this :
"What? so he left because they're going to pay him and we didn't? Since people might misunderstand from me deleting your post, i'll kindly reply. Kid, if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills, no? Looks like you're ready to sell off your own friends and morals if someone pays you.. You say you're a fan yet don't you think you're actually making him look bad? if you don't understand what I'm saying, go study korean. I can't be bothered to reply in english to the likes of you. How dare you spout your profanity at me like it's nothing just because you're a foreigner? I can get on that level too."
wow this woman is MAD :/
i wrote this as nicely as possible but holy crap I'm a Korean and I think she's going overboard w/ this;;;
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Thanks for the translation yoo.
Jessica is incredibly out of her mind. Why wouldn't he join a foreign team where he could actually get paid for it? Obviously she didn't appreciate him enough to give him some incentive to stick around. What's he supposed to do? Work at a crappy shipyard and then be expected to practice a few hours to keep up with the rest of the team?
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On March 08 2012 18:03 yoojaein0131 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 17:36 ranshaked wrote:Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure. ranshaked i'll give you the most accurate korean-to-english translation of this : "What? so he left because they're going to pay him and we didn't? Since people might misunderstand from me deleting your post, i'll kindly reply. Kid, if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills, no? Looks like you're ready to sell off your own friends and morals if someone pays you.. You say you're a fan yet don't you think you're actually making him look bad? if you don't understand what I'm saying, go study korean. I can't be bothered to reply in english to the likes of you. How dare you spout your profanity at me like it's nothing just because you're a foreigner? I can get on that level too." wow this woman is MAD :/ i wrote this as nicely as possible but holy crap I'm a Korean and I think she's going overboard w/ this;;;
WOW...
Just WOW.
Now, I definitely can't stand her. She is completly crazy. It's really hard to stay a SlayerS fan with all of this bullcrap. At least, Boxer and MMA are still making up for it... for now.
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On March 08 2012 18:03 yoojaein0131 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 17:36 ranshaked wrote:Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure. ranshaked i'll give you the most accurate korean-to-english translation of this : "What? so he left because they're going to pay him and we didn't? Since people might misunderstand from me deleting your post, i'll kindly reply. Kid, if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills, no? Looks like you're ready to sell off your own friends and morals if someone pays you.. You say you're a fan yet don't you think you're actually making him look bad? if you don't understand what I'm saying, go study korean. I can't be bothered to reply in english to the likes of you. How dare you spout your profanity at me like it's nothing just because you're a foreigner? I can get on that level too." wow this woman is MAD :/ i wrote this as nicely as possible but holy crap I'm a Korean and I think she's going overboard w/ this;;;
O.O This is Jessica still calling out Dragon for leaving?
Apparently someone posted a Twitter comment on Jessica's Twitter (with curse words) inciting this, but how Jessica lost her cool this badly and explicitly calls Dragon a bad player ("if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills") is pretty embarrassing for SlayerS.
The lack of professionalism is rather appalling, but I'm glad she's at least passionate. Well actually, I was glad she was passionate the first time she talked smack about Dragon. Now I'm just shaking my head and hoping that she'll stop, or that Boxer/ someone else will kindly let her know that this isn't helpful for their image. I'm pretty sure that concerned fans could keep her making extreme comments... so who knows what trolls could do to her o.o
I'm a SlayerS fan for reasons other than Jessica (Boxer, their work ethic, their family image, MMA/ Ryung/ the other players, etc.), so this won't stop me from liking SlayerS... but I definitely feel that this is damaging for them. Dragon's moving on. It may or may not have been shady. Okay then. But Jessica needs to let this go.
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On March 08 2012 18:03 yoojaein0131 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 17:36 ranshaked wrote:Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure. ranshaked i'll give you the most accurate korean-to-english translation of this : "What? so he left because they're going to pay him and we didn't? Since people might misunderstand from me deleting your post, i'll kindly reply. Kid, if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills, no? Looks like you're ready to sell off your own friends and morals if someone pays you.. You say you're a fan yet don't you think you're actually making him look bad? if you don't understand what I'm saying, go study korean. I can't be bothered to reply in english to the likes of you. How dare you spout your profanity at me like it's nothing just because you're a foreigner? I can get on that level too." wow this woman is MAD :/ i wrote this as nicely as possible but holy crap I'm a Korean and I think she's going overboard w/ this;;;
Okay. If Boxer allows her to keep painting the team in this bad a light, then I don't think SlayerS is going to last much longer. At the very least, I'm going to lose a lot of respect for the man, letting his passions harm each other like this. Jessica being involved with the team isn't good for Jessica OR the team. She needs to be removed, sooner rather than later.
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On March 08 2012 18:03 yoojaein0131 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 17:36 ranshaked wrote:Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure. ranshaked i'll give you the most accurate korean-to-english translation of this : "What? so he left because they're going to pay him and we didn't? Since people might misunderstand from me deleting your post, i'll kindly reply. Kid, if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills, no? Looks like you're ready to sell off your own friends and morals if someone pays you.. You say you're a fan yet don't you think you're actually making him look bad? if you don't understand what I'm saying, go study korean. I can't be bothered to reply in english to the likes of you. How dare you spout your profanity at me like it's nothing just because you're a foreigner? I can get on that level too." wow this woman is MAD :/ i wrote this as nicely as possible but holy crap I'm a Korean and I think she's going overboard w/ this;;;
Just read this as well. Thanks for the translations. I love Slayers as a whole, but this is taking it too far. I know she's upset, but her emotions are overriding any rationale that she has in such a situation.
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Guys, I know it's a common practice out here in America to not express yourself publicly and just talk behind each other's back while sucking up and being fake infront of each other to gain benefits for yourself, but you guys gotta realize, there are countries out there that do things differently...
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On March 08 2012 23:16 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 18:03 yoojaein0131 wrote:On March 08 2012 17:36 ranshaked wrote:Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure. ranshaked i'll give you the most accurate korean-to-english translation of this : "What? so he left because they're going to pay him and we didn't? Since people might misunderstand from me deleting your post, i'll kindly reply. Kid, if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills, no? Looks like you're ready to sell off your own friends and morals if someone pays you.. You say you're a fan yet don't you think you're actually making him look bad? if you don't understand what I'm saying, go study korean. I can't be bothered to reply in english to the likes of you. How dare you spout your profanity at me like it's nothing just because you're a foreigner? I can get on that level too." wow this woman is MAD :/ i wrote this as nicely as possible but holy crap I'm a Korean and I think she's going overboard w/ this;;; Okay. If Boxer allows her to keep painting the team in this bad a light, then I don't think SlayerS is going to last much longer. At the very least, I'm going to lose a lot of respect for the man, letting his passions harm each other like this. Jessica being involved with the team isn't good for Jessica OR the team. She needs to be removed, sooner rather than later.
She's been like this since forever, and Slayers is still one of the fan favourite team, even winning the favourite team of the year at GSL for 2011. So keep bashing at them, but you vocal minorities are pretty irrelevant when it comes to the bigger picture, especially if you consider the korean community.
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