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On March 08 2012 18:03 yoojaein0131 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 17:36 ranshaked wrote:Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure. ranshaked i'll give you the most accurate korean-to-english translation of this : "What? so he left because they're going to pay him and we didn't? Since people might misunderstand from me deleting your post, i'll kindly reply. Kid, if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills, no? Looks like you're ready to sell off your own friends and morals if someone pays you.. You say you're a fan yet don't you think you're actually making him look bad? if you don't understand what I'm saying, go study korean. I can't be bothered to reply in english to the likes of you. How dare you spout your profanity at me like it's nothing just because you're a foreigner? I can get on that level too." wow this woman is MAD :/ i wrote this as nicely as possible but holy crap I'm a Korean and I think she's going overboard w/ this;;;
wow this is so unprofessional and childish... this kind of stuff isnt only hurting jessica's reputation but definately also the whole team slayers
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On March 08 2012 23:31 Reaper9 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 18:03 yoojaein0131 wrote:On March 08 2012 17:36 ranshaked wrote:Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure. ranshaked i'll give you the most accurate korean-to-english translation of this : "What? so he left because they're going to pay him and we didn't? Since people might misunderstand from me deleting your post, i'll kindly reply. Kid, if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills, no? Looks like you're ready to sell off your own friends and morals if someone pays you.. You say you're a fan yet don't you think you're actually making him look bad? if you don't understand what I'm saying, go study korean. I can't be bothered to reply in english to the likes of you. How dare you spout your profanity at me like it's nothing just because you're a foreigner? I can get on that level too." wow this woman is MAD :/ i wrote this as nicely as possible but holy crap I'm a Korean and I think she's going overboard w/ this;;; Just read this as well. Thanks for the translations. I love Slayers as a whole, but this is taking it too far. I know she's upset, but her emotions are overriding any rationale that she has in such a situation.
Please read the context before judging. The person who she was responding to was trolling her, but she didn't know because her english is poor.
The guy writes: "you stupid. Millenium = money, Slayers = no money. Jealous? Stop crying, bitch. DRAGON #1"
His next tweet was, "You are so fucking annoying. Every day, you cry like a baby. FUCK YOU. Dragon needs a job. Not everything is about you."
I would be angry too, but I have a feeling he was just trying to get a reaction out of her.
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On March 08 2012 23:16 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 18:03 yoojaein0131 wrote:On March 08 2012 17:36 ranshaked wrote:Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure. ranshaked i'll give you the most accurate korean-to-english translation of this : "What? so he left because they're going to pay him and we didn't? Since people might misunderstand from me deleting your post, i'll kindly reply. Kid, if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills, no? Looks like you're ready to sell off your own friends and morals if someone pays you.. You say you're a fan yet don't you think you're actually making him look bad? if you don't understand what I'm saying, go study korean. I can't be bothered to reply in english to the likes of you. How dare you spout your profanity at me like it's nothing just because you're a foreigner? I can get on that level too." wow this woman is MAD :/ i wrote this as nicely as possible but holy crap I'm a Korean and I think she's going overboard w/ this;;; Okay. If Boxer allows her to keep painting the team in this bad a light, then I don't think SlayerS is going to last much longer. At the very least, I'm going to lose a lot of respect for the man, letting his passions harm each other like this. Jessica being involved with the team isn't good for Jessica OR the team. She needs to be removed, sooner rather than later.
Remove Jessica? That's like Liquid firing Nazgul. Self-destructive to the team and won't happen.
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Jessica the drama queen strikes one more time. I mean, she might be right about everything she is saying but does she really have to do it in such an annoying manner?
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If you don't like what she's doing, you can always unfollow her on twitter.
Which is what I did.
I ain't gonna bother with anything Jessica related now.
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+ Show Spoiler +[QUOTE] On March 08 2012 23:44 yellowmoe wrote:[QUOTE] On March 08 2012 23:31 Reaper9 wrote:[QUOTE] On March 08 2012 18:03 yoojaein0131 wrote:[QUOTE] On March 08 2012 17:36 ranshaked wrote:Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure.[/QUOTE] ranshaked i'll give you the most accurate korean-to-english translation of this : "What? so he left because they're going to pay him and we didn't? Since people might misunderstand from me deleting your post, i'll kindly reply. Kid, if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills, no? Looks like you're ready to sell off your own friends and morals if someone pays you.. You say you're a fan yet don't you think you're actually making him look bad? if you don't understand what I'm saying, go study korean. I can't be bothered to reply in english to the likes of you. How dare you spout your profanity at me like it's nothing just because you're a foreigner? I can get on that level too." wow this woman is MAD :/ i wrote this as nicely as possible but holy crap I'm a Korean and I think she's going overboard w/ this;;  /QUOTE] Just read this as well. Thanks for the translations. I love Slayers as a whole, but this is taking it too far. I know she's upset, but her emotions are overriding any rationale that she has in such a situation. [/QUOTE] Please read the context before judging. The person who she was responding to was trolling her, but she didn't know because her english is poor. The guy writes: "you stupid. Millenium = money, Slayers = no money. Jealous? Stop crying, bitch. DRAGON #1" His next tweet was, "You are so fucking annoying. Every day, you cry like a baby. FUCK YOU. Dragon needs a job. Not everything is about you." I would be angry too, but I have a feeling he was just trying to get a reaction out of her.
The problem is exactly the fact he is getting a reaction out of her. She still should not respond in such a way. She does admit she can talk at "their level too" but that just means that got exactly what they wanted- her yelling in frustration. Keeping her cool would silence the nay-sayers, about her acting unprofessional.
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On March 07 2012 21:24 Vista wrote:It honestly upsets me a bit that people think that Jessica's reaction is unreasonable. Maybe it really is a cultural thing as mentioned earlier, as I am Korean 
Consider these two possibilities:
1) Dragon decides he wants to leave Slayers for another team. He decides to lie about why, and tells them he is leaving to focus on work. A few months later, dragon joins another team.
2) Dragon decides he wants to leave Slayers to focus on work. He tells them this is why is leaving. A few months later, he decides that he misses being on a team and gives himself a month to find a new one, otherwise he sticks with focusing on work. He gets an offer, and joins a new team.
To anyone other than dragon, these two scenarios will look exactly the same. There is no possible way to know which one is true. The only person who knows which is true is dragon.
Now you want to claim cultural difference? Here's the difference as I see it.
1) You don't care about understanding the difference between when you know something, and when you are just deciding to believe something. You then use your imagined belief, which happens to be the most insulting option, and begin insulting someone based on your chosen belief.
2) You understand and value the difference between when you know something and when you don't. So when you don't, you keep your mouth shut and don't insult people based on your imagination about what is and is not the truth.
Is that the cultural difference of which you speak? Because in my opinion, option 1) above demonstrates a childish, ignorant, insulting culture that I could never have any respect for.
Option 2) above is how normal, intelligent, rational people behave, and demonstrates a culture that has value.
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On March 08 2012 23:39 Fubi wrote:
Guys, I know it's a common practice out here in America to not express yourself publicly and just talk behind each other's back while sucking up and being fake infront of each other to gain benefits for yourself, but you guys gotta realize, there are countries out there that do things differently...
Talking behind the back and backstabing is very used in Europe and USA...
Its all fun and games until someone attacks Dragon , then all hell breaks lose , and we cannot even see KSL now ! thanks Dragon
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On March 08 2012 23:49 Qiox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 21:24 Vista wrote:It honestly upsets me a bit that people think that Jessica's reaction is unreasonable. Maybe it really is a cultural thing as mentioned earlier, as I am Korean Consider these two possibilities: 1) Dragon decides he wants to leave Slayers for another team. He decides to lie about why, and tells them he is leaving to focus on work. A few months later, dragon joins another team. 2) Dragon decides he wants to leave Slayers to focus on work. He tells them this is why is leaving. A few months later, he decides that he misses being on a team and gives himself a month to find a new one, otherwise he sticks with focusing on work. He gets an offer, and joins a new team. To anyone other than dragon, these two scenarios will look exactly the same. There is no possible way to know which one is true. The only person who knows which is true is dragon. Now you want to claim cultural difference? Here's the difference as I see it. 1) You don't care about understanding the difference between when you know something, and when you are just deciding to believe something. You then use your imagined belief, which happens to be the most insulting option, and begin insulting someone based on your chosen belief. 2) You understand and value the difference between when you know something and when you don't. So when you don't, you keep your mouth shut and don't insult people based on your imagination about what is and is not the truth. Is that the cultural difference of which you speak? Because in my opinion, option 1) above demonstrates a childish, ignorant, insulting culture that I could never have any respect for. Option 2) above is how normal, intelligent, rational people behave, and demonstrates a culture that has value.
Yes the cultural difference is that if 2) is true, he would of went back to Slayers and they would of gladly accepted him, because from the Korean cultural point of view, they are a family, so to Jessica, it was either
1) He lied
2) He changed his mind about studying, but then decided to join a team that benefits himself more than being with his family
So either way it's bad from her point of view, which is understandable from a Korean cultural context
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On March 08 2012 23:49 Qiox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 21:24 Vista wrote:It honestly upsets me a bit that people think that Jessica's reaction is unreasonable. Maybe it really is a cultural thing as mentioned earlier, as I am Korean Consider these two possibilities: 1) Dragon decides he wants to leave Slayers for another team. He decides to lie about why, and tells them he is leaving to focus on work. A few months later, dragon joins another team. 2) Dragon decides he wants to leave Slayers to focus on work. He tells them this is why is leaving. A few months later, he decides that he misses being on a team and gives himself a month to find a new one, otherwise he sticks with focusing on work. He gets an offer, and joins a new team. To anyone other than dragon, these two scenarios will look exactly the same. There is no possible way to know which one is true. The only person who knows which is true is dragon. Now you want to claim cultural difference? Here's the difference as I see it. 1) You don't care about understanding the difference between when you know something, and when you are just deciding to believe something. You then use your imagined belief, which happens to be the most insulting option, and begin insulting someone based on your chosen belief. 2) You understand and value the difference between when you know something and when you don't. So when you don't, you keep your mouth shut and don't insult people based on your imagination about what is and is not the truth. Is that the cultural difference of which you speak? Because in my opinion, option 1) above demonstrates a childish, ignorant, insulting culture that I could never have any respect for. Option 2) above is how normal, intelligent, rational people behave, and demonstrates a culture that has value.
Dont call Koreans childish just because everyone who is on TV is screaming , making sad/happy panda faces or dancing
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On March 08 2012 23:56 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 23:49 Qiox wrote:On March 07 2012 21:24 Vista wrote:It honestly upsets me a bit that people think that Jessica's reaction is unreasonable. Maybe it really is a cultural thing as mentioned earlier, as I am Korean Consider these two possibilities: 1) Dragon decides he wants to leave Slayers for another team. He decides to lie about why, and tells them he is leaving to focus on work. A few months later, dragon joins another team. 2) Dragon decides he wants to leave Slayers to focus on work. He tells them this is why is leaving. A few months later, he decides that he misses being on a team and gives himself a month to find a new one, otherwise he sticks with focusing on work. He gets an offer, and joins a new team. To anyone other than dragon, these two scenarios will look exactly the same. There is no possible way to know which one is true. The only person who knows which is true is dragon. Now you want to claim cultural difference? Here's the difference as I see it. 1) You don't care about understanding the difference between when you know something, and when you are just deciding to believe something. You then use your imagined belief, which happens to be the most insulting option, and begin insulting someone based on your chosen belief. 2) You understand and value the difference between when you know something and when you don't. So when you don't, you keep your mouth shut and don't insult people based on your imagination about what is and is not the truth. Is that the cultural difference of which you speak? Because in my opinion, option 1) above demonstrates a childish, ignorant, insulting culture that I could never have any respect for. Option 2) above is how normal, intelligent, rational people behave, and demonstrates a culture that has value. Yes the cultural difference is that if 2) is true, he would of went back to Slayers and they would of gladly accepted him, because from the Korean cultural point of view, they are a family, so to Jessica, it was either 1) He lied 2) He changed his mind about studying, but then decided to join a team that benefits himself more than being with his family So either way it's bad from her point of view, which is understandable from a Korean cultural context
Acting like his only option, if he changed his mind and wanted to get back on a team, was to rejoin slayers is just plain silly. It ignores one important point. He didn't say he was giving a month to see if he could find a team. He said he was giving a month to see if he could find a foreign team. slayers was not an option. He wanted something different. To ignore that, as Jessica is doing, is extremely disrespectful and outrageously selfish.
It's dragon's life, dragon's choice, dragon's desires that count. For her to ignore that is ridiculous.
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On March 08 2012 23:41 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 23:16 Acritter wrote:On March 08 2012 18:03 yoojaein0131 wrote:On March 08 2012 17:36 ranshaked wrote:Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure. ranshaked i'll give you the most accurate korean-to-english translation of this : "What? so he left because they're going to pay him and we didn't? Since people might misunderstand from me deleting your post, i'll kindly reply. Kid, if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills, no? Looks like you're ready to sell off your own friends and morals if someone pays you.. You say you're a fan yet don't you think you're actually making him look bad? if you don't understand what I'm saying, go study korean. I can't be bothered to reply in english to the likes of you. How dare you spout your profanity at me like it's nothing just because you're a foreigner? I can get on that level too." wow this woman is MAD :/ i wrote this as nicely as possible but holy crap I'm a Korean and I think she's going overboard w/ this;;; Okay. If Boxer allows her to keep painting the team in this bad a light, then I don't think SlayerS is going to last much longer. At the very least, I'm going to lose a lot of respect for the man, letting his passions harm each other like this. Jessica being involved with the team isn't good for Jessica OR the team. She needs to be removed, sooner rather than later. She's been like this since forever, and Slayers is still one of the fan favourite team, even winning the favourite team of the year at GSL for 2011. So keep bashing at them, but you vocal minorities are pretty irrelevant when it comes to the bigger picture, especially if you consider the korean community.
I hate to say this, but... just wait. The more she does this, the sicker people will get of her immaturity. In particular, do you think that anyone will want to do business with SlayerS, knowing that Jessica will start Twittering about it? Each individual action might not lose very much support, but the longer this goes on the worse it will become.
On March 08 2012 23:45 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 23:16 Acritter wrote:
Okay. If Boxer allows her to keep painting the team in this bad a light, then I don't think SlayerS is going to last much longer. At the very least, I'm going to lose a lot of respect for the man, letting his passions harm each other like this. Jessica being involved with the team isn't good for Jessica OR the team. She needs to be removed, sooner rather than later. Remove Jessica? That's like Liquid firing Nazgul. Self-destructive to the team and won't happen.
If Nazgul were saying things like "HuK, why are you betraying your family?", then I would hope Liquid would fire him, and I would respect them all the more for the decision. To the contrary, Nazgul has been nothing but professional, and thus should not be fired. You're comparing apples and oranges here.
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How dare Dragon leave an unpaid position for one that pays, this is simply outrageous. I have a whole lot of unfollowing on twitter to do!
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On March 09 2012 00:01 Qiox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 23:56 Fubi wrote:On March 08 2012 23:49 Qiox wrote:On March 07 2012 21:24 Vista wrote:It honestly upsets me a bit that people think that Jessica's reaction is unreasonable. Maybe it really is a cultural thing as mentioned earlier, as I am Korean Consider these two possibilities: 1) Dragon decides he wants to leave Slayers for another team. He decides to lie about why, and tells them he is leaving to focus on work. A few months later, dragon joins another team. 2) Dragon decides he wants to leave Slayers to focus on work. He tells them this is why is leaving. A few months later, he decides that he misses being on a team and gives himself a month to find a new one, otherwise he sticks with focusing on work. He gets an offer, and joins a new team. To anyone other than dragon, these two scenarios will look exactly the same. There is no possible way to know which one is true. The only person who knows which is true is dragon. Now you want to claim cultural difference? Here's the difference as I see it. 1) You don't care about understanding the difference between when you know something, and when you are just deciding to believe something. You then use your imagined belief, which happens to be the most insulting option, and begin insulting someone based on your chosen belief. 2) You understand and value the difference between when you know something and when you don't. So when you don't, you keep your mouth shut and don't insult people based on your imagination about what is and is not the truth. Is that the cultural difference of which you speak? Because in my opinion, option 1) above demonstrates a childish, ignorant, insulting culture that I could never have any respect for. Option 2) above is how normal, intelligent, rational people behave, and demonstrates a culture that has value. Yes the cultural difference is that if 2) is true, he would of went back to Slayers and they would of gladly accepted him, because from the Korean cultural point of view, they are a family, so to Jessica, it was either 1) He lied 2) He changed his mind about studying, but then decided to join a team that benefits himself more than being with his family So either way it's bad from her point of view, which is understandable from a Korean cultural context Acting like his only option, if he changed his mind and wanted to get back on a team, was to rejoin slayers is just plain silly. It ignores one important point. He didn't say he was giving a month to see if he could find a team. He said he was giving a month to see if he could find a foreign team. slayers was not an option. He wanted something different. To ignore that, as Jessica is doing, is extremely disrespectful and outrageously selfish. It's dragon's life, dragon's choice, dragon's desires that count. For her to ignore that is ridiculous.
You're basing your view on a western cultural context: a very heavy individualistic based culture.
Also, Jessica was fine with his team members going to foreign teams, she just wanted them to be honest with her like Golden and Sleep(?). She is just upset that he didn't say a word to them, hence not giving a shit about their "family", which in a collectivist culture such as Korea, is very important.
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On March 09 2012 00:02 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 23:41 Fubi wrote:On March 08 2012 23:16 Acritter wrote:On March 08 2012 18:03 yoojaein0131 wrote:On March 08 2012 17:36 ranshaked wrote:Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure. ranshaked i'll give you the most accurate korean-to-english translation of this : "What? so he left because they're going to pay him and we didn't? Since people might misunderstand from me deleting your post, i'll kindly reply. Kid, if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills, no? Looks like you're ready to sell off your own friends and morals if someone pays you.. You say you're a fan yet don't you think you're actually making him look bad? if you don't understand what I'm saying, go study korean. I can't be bothered to reply in english to the likes of you. How dare you spout your profanity at me like it's nothing just because you're a foreigner? I can get on that level too." wow this woman is MAD :/ i wrote this as nicely as possible but holy crap I'm a Korean and I think she's going overboard w/ this;;; Okay. If Boxer allows her to keep painting the team in this bad a light, then I don't think SlayerS is going to last much longer. At the very least, I'm going to lose a lot of respect for the man, letting his passions harm each other like this. Jessica being involved with the team isn't good for Jessica OR the team. She needs to be removed, sooner rather than later. She's been like this since forever, and Slayers is still one of the fan favourite team, even winning the favourite team of the year at GSL for 2011. So keep bashing at them, but you vocal minorities are pretty irrelevant when it comes to the bigger picture, especially if you consider the korean community. I hate to say this, but... just wait. The more she does this, the sicker people will get of her immaturity. In particular, do you think that anyone will want to do business with SlayerS, knowing that Jessica will start Twittering about it? Each individual action might not lose very much support, but the longer this goes on the worse it will become.
You fail to remember that for every one of these "drama" event that she does (like what, maybe once every other month?), the Slayer's team as a whole is making more fans as well. I mean, it might SEEMS like a lot of people are hating on them just based on this post, but that's why it's called vocal minority: people that hate are 10times more likely to post. I mean even if you add up everyone that claims "I won't support slayers anymore cuz of this" in this thread, it's like less than 50-100; I'm pretty sure if a Slayer's player wins (or even get into top 4) of any major tournament will win them 100 times more fan than this lol.
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On March 09 2012 00:06 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 00:01 Qiox wrote:On March 08 2012 23:56 Fubi wrote:On March 08 2012 23:49 Qiox wrote:On March 07 2012 21:24 Vista wrote:It honestly upsets me a bit that people think that Jessica's reaction is unreasonable. Maybe it really is a cultural thing as mentioned earlier, as I am Korean Consider these two possibilities: 1) Dragon decides he wants to leave Slayers for another team. He decides to lie about why, and tells them he is leaving to focus on work. A few months later, dragon joins another team. 2) Dragon decides he wants to leave Slayers to focus on work. He tells them this is why is leaving. A few months later, he decides that he misses being on a team and gives himself a month to find a new one, otherwise he sticks with focusing on work. He gets an offer, and joins a new team. To anyone other than dragon, these two scenarios will look exactly the same. There is no possible way to know which one is true. The only person who knows which is true is dragon. Now you want to claim cultural difference? Here's the difference as I see it. 1) You don't care about understanding the difference between when you know something, and when you are just deciding to believe something. You then use your imagined belief, which happens to be the most insulting option, and begin insulting someone based on your chosen belief. 2) You understand and value the difference between when you know something and when you don't. So when you don't, you keep your mouth shut and don't insult people based on your imagination about what is and is not the truth. Is that the cultural difference of which you speak? Because in my opinion, option 1) above demonstrates a childish, ignorant, insulting culture that I could never have any respect for. Option 2) above is how normal, intelligent, rational people behave, and demonstrates a culture that has value. Yes the cultural difference is that if 2) is true, he would of went back to Slayers and they would of gladly accepted him, because from the Korean cultural point of view, they are a family, so to Jessica, it was either 1) He lied 2) He changed his mind about studying, but then decided to join a team that benefits himself more than being with his family So either way it's bad from her point of view, which is understandable from a Korean cultural context Acting like his only option, if he changed his mind and wanted to get back on a team, was to rejoin slayers is just plain silly. It ignores one important point. He didn't say he was giving a month to see if he could find a team. He said he was giving a month to see if he could find a foreign team. slayers was not an option. He wanted something different. To ignore that, as Jessica is doing, is extremely disrespectful and outrageously selfish. It's dragon's life, dragon's choice, dragon's desires that count. For her to ignore that is ridiculous. You're basing your view on a western cultural context: a very heavy individualistic based culture. Also, Jessica was fine with his team members going to foreign teams, she just wanted them to be honest with her like Golden and Sleep(?). She is just upset that he didn't say a word to them, hence not giving a shit about their "family", which in a collectivist culture such as Korea, is very important.
in a familty family members give u money i think ?? what would he say ? : look jessica im leaving one of the most powerful teams in korea becose you are not paying the players . how would that be ?
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On March 09 2012 00:11 xsnac wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 00:06 Fubi wrote:On March 09 2012 00:01 Qiox wrote:On March 08 2012 23:56 Fubi wrote:On March 08 2012 23:49 Qiox wrote:On March 07 2012 21:24 Vista wrote:It honestly upsets me a bit that people think that Jessica's reaction is unreasonable. Maybe it really is a cultural thing as mentioned earlier, as I am Korean Consider these two possibilities: 1) Dragon decides he wants to leave Slayers for another team. He decides to lie about why, and tells them he is leaving to focus on work. A few months later, dragon joins another team. 2) Dragon decides he wants to leave Slayers to focus on work. He tells them this is why is leaving. A few months later, he decides that he misses being on a team and gives himself a month to find a new one, otherwise he sticks with focusing on work. He gets an offer, and joins a new team. To anyone other than dragon, these two scenarios will look exactly the same. There is no possible way to know which one is true. The only person who knows which is true is dragon. Now you want to claim cultural difference? Here's the difference as I see it. 1) You don't care about understanding the difference between when you know something, and when you are just deciding to believe something. You then use your imagined belief, which happens to be the most insulting option, and begin insulting someone based on your chosen belief. 2) You understand and value the difference between when you know something and when you don't. So when you don't, you keep your mouth shut and don't insult people based on your imagination about what is and is not the truth. Is that the cultural difference of which you speak? Because in my opinion, option 1) above demonstrates a childish, ignorant, insulting culture that I could never have any respect for. Option 2) above is how normal, intelligent, rational people behave, and demonstrates a culture that has value. Yes the cultural difference is that if 2) is true, he would of went back to Slayers and they would of gladly accepted him, because from the Korean cultural point of view, they are a family, so to Jessica, it was either 1) He lied 2) He changed his mind about studying, but then decided to join a team that benefits himself more than being with his family So either way it's bad from her point of view, which is understandable from a Korean cultural context Acting like his only option, if he changed his mind and wanted to get back on a team, was to rejoin slayers is just plain silly. It ignores one important point. He didn't say he was giving a month to see if he could find a team. He said he was giving a month to see if he could find a foreign team. slayers was not an option. He wanted something different. To ignore that, as Jessica is doing, is extremely disrespectful and outrageously selfish. It's dragon's life, dragon's choice, dragon's desires that count. For her to ignore that is ridiculous. You're basing your view on a western cultural context: a very heavy individualistic based culture. Also, Jessica was fine with his team members going to foreign teams, she just wanted them to be honest with her like Golden and Sleep(?). She is just upset that he didn't say a word to them, hence not giving a shit about their "family", which in a collectivist culture such as Korea, is very important. in a familty family members give u money i think ?? what would he say ? : look jessica im leaving one of the most powerful teams in korea becose you are not paying the players . how would that be ?
That would be fine if he actually went upfront with her and said that; but he didnt and that's the whole point she was referring to.
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On March 08 2012 23:45 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 23:16 Acritter wrote:On March 08 2012 18:03 yoojaein0131 wrote:On March 08 2012 17:36 ranshaked wrote:Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure. ranshaked i'll give you the most accurate korean-to-english translation of this : "What? so he left because they're going to pay him and we didn't? Since people might misunderstand from me deleting your post, i'll kindly reply. Kid, if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills, no? Looks like you're ready to sell off your own friends and morals if someone pays you.. You say you're a fan yet don't you think you're actually making him look bad? if you don't understand what I'm saying, go study korean. I can't be bothered to reply in english to the likes of you. How dare you spout your profanity at me like it's nothing just because you're a foreigner? I can get on that level too." wow this woman is MAD :/ i wrote this as nicely as possible but holy crap I'm a Korean and I think she's going overboard w/ this;;; Okay. If Boxer allows her to keep painting the team in this bad a light, then I don't think SlayerS is going to last much longer. At the very least, I'm going to lose a lot of respect for the man, letting his passions harm each other like this. Jessica being involved with the team isn't good for Jessica OR the team. She needs to be removed, sooner rather than later. Remove Jessica? That's like Liquid firing Nazgul. Self-destructive to the team and won't happen.
For what it's worth...
1. I've never heard any bad press about Nazgul (from articles or other teams/ management)
2. I've never heard Nazgul make any unprofessional comments, especially team-related ones
3. I've specifically heard mountains of compliments regarding how well he takes care of his team
So I think removing Jessica would make far more sense than removing Nazgul, although I'm not exactly calling for her necessary removal (if she indeed provides essential qualities to SlayerS). She just needs to be careful with how she presents herself and SlayerS through her Twitter and other online forums/ media avenues.
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On March 09 2012 00:11 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 00:02 Acritter wrote:On March 08 2012 23:41 Fubi wrote:On March 08 2012 23:16 Acritter wrote:On March 08 2012 18:03 yoojaein0131 wrote:On March 08 2012 17:36 ranshaked wrote:Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure. ranshaked i'll give you the most accurate korean-to-english translation of this : "What? so he left because they're going to pay him and we didn't? Since people might misunderstand from me deleting your post, i'll kindly reply. Kid, if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills, no? Looks like you're ready to sell off your own friends and morals if someone pays you.. You say you're a fan yet don't you think you're actually making him look bad? if you don't understand what I'm saying, go study korean. I can't be bothered to reply in english to the likes of you. How dare you spout your profanity at me like it's nothing just because you're a foreigner? I can get on that level too." wow this woman is MAD :/ i wrote this as nicely as possible but holy crap I'm a Korean and I think she's going overboard w/ this;;; Okay. If Boxer allows her to keep painting the team in this bad a light, then I don't think SlayerS is going to last much longer. At the very least, I'm going to lose a lot of respect for the man, letting his passions harm each other like this. Jessica being involved with the team isn't good for Jessica OR the team. She needs to be removed, sooner rather than later. She's been like this since forever, and Slayers is still one of the fan favourite team, even winning the favourite team of the year at GSL for 2011. So keep bashing at them, but you vocal minorities are pretty irrelevant when it comes to the bigger picture, especially if you consider the korean community. I hate to say this, but... just wait. The more she does this, the sicker people will get of her immaturity. In particular, do you think that anyone will want to do business with SlayerS, knowing that Jessica will start Twittering about it? Each individual action might not lose very much support, but the longer this goes on the worse it will become. You fail to remember that for every one of these "drama" event that she does (like what, maybe once every other month?), the Slayer's team as a whole is making more fans as well. I mean, it might SEEMS like a lot of people are hating on them just based on this post, but that's why it's called vocal minority: people that hate are 10times more likely to post. I mean even if you add up everyone that claims "I won't support slayers anymore cuz of this" in this thread, it's like less than 50-100; I'm pretty sure if a Slayer's player wins (or even get into top 4) of any major tournament will win them 100 times more fan than this lol.
I have yet to see you address the issue of sponsorship. Who would want their business dealings with SlayerS to be relayed publically? Currently, the only things SlayerS has going for it are Boxer (admittedly huge) and MMA (tied to Boxer). That's all they really have in terms of skill and popularity. Jessica is dragging that down. Imagine, for a moment, that something happens between Jessica and MMA. The team will lose one of its greatest assets instantly. Who would keep sponsoring a team like that?
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On March 09 2012 00:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 23:45 Bagration wrote:On March 08 2012 23:16 Acritter wrote:On March 08 2012 18:03 yoojaein0131 wrote:On March 08 2012 17:36 ranshaked wrote:Can someone translate this? + Show Spoiler +뭐? 우린 돈 안주고 거긴 돈 줘서 간거라고? 너 글 내가 삭제해서 다들 오해할까봐 내가 친절하게 써주마. 얘야. 자고로 능력치에 맞게 해줘야지? 안그래? 돈만주면 양심도 팔고 친구도 배신할 기세네.. 팬이라면서 너스스로 그 선수를 까고 있다고는 생각안하니? 궁금하면 한국어 공부해. 너에겐 영어로 대답하는것도 아깝다. 어디서 외국인이라고 맘놓고 욕질이냐? 나도 욕 잘하거덩?
In google translate I got:
What? Glad we went there was money there anjugo money? Posts I'm afraid you misunderstood me kindly by deleting sseojuma everyone. Honey. What would you do to meet benevolence stats? Is not it? I just want my money selling conscience betray friends gisene. Mariners fans are off, saying that as a player do not you think that I give a fuck? If you're curious, studying Korean. A waste of a reply out for you in English. Where yokjilyinya mamnotgo Foreigners? I jalhageodeong bath?
Basically, it sounds like she is telling foreigners to fuck off? I'm not sure. ranshaked i'll give you the most accurate korean-to-english translation of this : "What? so he left because they're going to pay him and we didn't? Since people might misunderstand from me deleting your post, i'll kindly reply. Kid, if you want to be paid, you need to have the skills, no? Looks like you're ready to sell off your own friends and morals if someone pays you.. You say you're a fan yet don't you think you're actually making him look bad? if you don't understand what I'm saying, go study korean. I can't be bothered to reply in english to the likes of you. How dare you spout your profanity at me like it's nothing just because you're a foreigner? I can get on that level too." wow this woman is MAD :/ i wrote this as nicely as possible but holy crap I'm a Korean and I think she's going overboard w/ this;;; Okay. If Boxer allows her to keep painting the team in this bad a light, then I don't think SlayerS is going to last much longer. At the very least, I'm going to lose a lot of respect for the man, letting his passions harm each other like this. Jessica being involved with the team isn't good for Jessica OR the team. She needs to be removed, sooner rather than later. Remove Jessica? That's like Liquid firing Nazgul. Self-destructive to the team and won't happen. For what it's worth... 1. I've never heard any bad press about Nazgul (from articles or other teams/ management) 2. I've never heard Nazgul make any unprofessional comments, especially team-related ones 3. I've specifically heard mountains of compliments regarding how well he takes care of his team So I think removing Jessica would make far more sense than removing Nazgul, although I'm not exactly calling for her necessary removal (if she indeed provides essential qualities to SlayerS). She just needs to be careful with how she presents herself and SlayerS through her Twitter and other online forums/ media avenues.
But this is because Nazgul/TL is a western team, hence their actions and decisions would seem to make 100 times more sense because they have the same values as us. Slayers is different, and as some people have already pointed out, the Korean community don't see what the big deal with this is
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