EPTTranslation of Slayers_Jessica's tweets - Page 19
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LaM
United States1321 Posts
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Mawi
Sweden4365 Posts
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GertHeart
United States631 Posts
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:08 Avril_Lavigne wrote: It's funny how everyone bashes on Jessica for the situation and how she's reacting. Do you even know Jessica's job? what she does with the team, how she raises the team, etc etc. I'm sure she's put in a lot of effort to keep the team together and progressing as it should yet everyone bashes on her as if she's simply "the owner" of team SlayerS. No one outside of SlayerS or Korea even know the relationship/bond she has with her teammates, and perhaps how her teammates return that relationship to her. So don't act like she's just your ordinary boss or your ordinary teacher because in Korean culture, lots of strong relationships happen whether it looks unprofessional in the U.S. or in EU or whatever other country. As residents of the U.S. or where ever you are, you're not going to fully understand the situation given the circumstances (culture, ethics, morality, business). So stop judging. Lying is a big deal in Korea, they put a lot of emphasis in integrity honor, etc, and as a citizen of USA I'd easily admit that this type of shit doesn't mean a damn thing when it comes to money. You are probably right in your assessment that most people here do not know what they are talking about. Admittedly I probably do not know enough about the situation to make definitive comments. However it is indicative that the majority of fans representing themselves in this thread seem to have a lesser opinion of Jessica based on her reaction. That should be taken into account on by her since it isn't the first time she has received criticism from the this community. Also it seems a large number of critics here are more bothered by the way she handled the issue (unprofessionally) rather than her position on the issue. I am not saying that an ignorant community should be appeased or that people shouldn't educate themselves on a situation before discussing, but that the general reaction is indicative that a lot of people think less of her (and possibly of Slayers) because of her actions. And if that is the case she and everyone else handling PR in the same community should be able to learn from it. I don't think bashing should be encouraged, but if people are annoyed by her then she deserves to know by reading the specific responses of the masses. So as a community we shouldn't automatically tell people to shut up when the ignorant reactions could be helpful. What we should do is encourage good informative posting and still allow helpful posts that may not be as informative. | ||
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kochujang
Germany1226 Posts
I think the last drop was the Eve spectacle. First she introduces Eve dressed up in Jessica's medic vest and not the standard SlayerS outfit. When Jessica used this costume, I thought it was cute. Jessica, the medic and Boxer, the marine. It fit, since they were a couple, and Jessica had a special position as a PR manager. When Eve was dressed up in the same costume, my alarm bells were ringing loudly. Why is she not using the standard SlayerS player uniform? Is she not part of the team? Is she just for show? Apparently Jessica wanted to use her as a publicity stunt. The backlash was imminent, and then Jessica was perplexed of the negative reaction following this. I actually got angry, because I could see it miles away that this would create an outrage. Jessica played the victim and called everybody evil, and Eve is suffering because of those evil people. I am not going to defend the people who rage against female gamers (I am actually one of the infamous white knights), but Jessica made a huge blunder and approached the introduction of a female gamer in worst way possible. Because of the little foresight of Jessica, and her eagerness to get cheap publicity, Eve had a very rough start in the Esports world. It kinda went downhill from there. Oh, and about the Dragon business? I never liked Dragon very much, and Jessica is probably right. Her approach of the situation is horrible as usual though. [/rant] | ||
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Strategos
Canada132 Posts
On March 07 2012 17:39 Corrosive wrote: Dragon fans? Looking at this from a completely business perspective, do you think that people would want to do business with slayers after seeing how crazy jessica gets when things that aren't completely in her favor go? Even if dragon completely lied, do you think that it's smart to slander people over twitter where everyone can see it? I'm a dragon fan but im also a huge slayers fan as well. This is not in the best interest for slayers by far. And from what do you base these assumptions? do you know anything about korean culture/society and the way in which businesses interact with? the same culture/society that slayers is based in? I'm guessing not. So seriously you kids need to stop talking about shit you don't know, it makes the community look stupid when in reality these individuals simply are the vocal minority. | ||
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alpinefpOPP
United States134 Posts
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Shelke14
Canada6655 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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hsun
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On March 08 2012 11:25 lichter wrote: You are correct that Jessica is being very dramatic about the whole issue and should not have said so much on twitter for everyone to see. Her feelings are understandable but that does not mean that they should be expressed openly for everyone to read. She has fault in this, obviously. However you are not giving Dragon his due fault in this issue. Your two scenarios are biased twists on the actual situation, which has been more or less determined for a while now. Dragon tweeted that he had decided to leave SlayerS without actually informing the team beforehand. When asked about his reasons, he stated that it was because he wanted to focus on work and only play Sc2 as a hobby. For those claiming he was not actively searching for a team, Dragon tweeted one month later that he had been searching for a team the whole time, and those who watch him stream also attest to his frequent inquiries into foreign teams. This is not a "white lie". He was on the team, and decided to lie to get out of the team when all he had to do was tell the truth. And about his "minor mistake", it was not minor. He cheated during a tournament (and supposedly on ladder as well). In no way is that minor and immediately forgiveable. His apology was not "graceful" in any way because he went overboard, stating he would no longer pursue a progaming career (which he obviously did not mean, so he should not have said it). He was criticized when he joined a tournament right after. His mistake was not minor. Your view on the subject is unfortunately misguided. I do think he deserves to be given a chance to prove himself, but forgiveness should be earned. He will be redeemed when he proves that he has learned his lesson, has matured, and now understands the consequences of his actions. You did not comprehend anything I said. I have acknowledged that Dragon make mistakes in his past; that is giving him his due fault, and I forgave him. Also, I never said he lied, I said even if he lied, it was still a white lie because his intent was to probably save their face. Do you understand the concept of saving face? My scenarios and your scenario are conjectures, true, but there is no reason for me to believe or accept your version over mine. I have watched him stream. I know he wanted a foreign team. So what? What's the big deal? He left Slayers, then changed his mind; what the one guy posted about occam's razor, and is probably closest to the truth. Cheating during a tournament. We agree he should be given a second chance, but how long do you plan to crucify him? He has been crucified enough, when it happened and even now, especially in his streams by haters who come and talk smack to him. And how should he redeem himself? Not handling it gracefully? What are you talking about? Look at Bill Clinton, going into the very definition of the word "is" and only later, after trials, officially making an apology. And some people just deny worse situations they're guilty of, saying there's no conclusive evidence. Dragon APOLOGIZED immediately, and true, he went overboard in the spur of the moment, saying he would not participate in future tournaments, because he felt deeply ashamed and regretful over it. He wants to play again, and you want to kill him over what he said. Minor/not minor mistake. This is subjective. No one ever said anything about it being immediately forgivable. What, is more than a year and half too short a time span for you? I think we have mostly different viewpoints, and we are going to continue to disagree about alot of things in anger, so I'm ending my discussion with you here. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Probably got to be korean to belief someone leaving like dragon did and saying, they go for rl and don't plan to comeback. Dragon acts pretty immature and i wouldn't be surprised if he pulls of one of his old habits again. But i don't think this would affect slayers reputation. Nevertheless immature behavior is often overlooked on the western internet, but complaining about it gives alot of drama reactions. So yeah jessica's reaction is hurting slayers international rep, but how should she know we accept such childish behavior. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
Also, "Shelke14" you saying that Jessica tweeting like this makes you less and less of a fan of SlayerS only shows that you weren't really a fan to begin with lol | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:59 hunts wrote: It's kinda weird how she says "I raised those kids like they were my own" when she is still basically acting like a child. She basically put her career on hold to help manage the team. She definitely acts like a mother figure to the team. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On March 08 2012 12:25 Bagration wrote: She basically put her career on hold to help manage the team. She definitely acts like a mother figure to the team. In interviews of SlayerS players they always mention how Jessica takes care of all of them and acts as their mom in the team house. Not a big fan of the team but I admire the family environment that they foster. | ||
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On March 08 2012 12:44 Catatonic wrote: I think she needs to just calm down alittle an not speak her mind in such a way that comes off as unprofessional as it currently does. An to play devil's advocate it could be completely possible that Dragon did intend to only play SC2 as a hobby an go back to his old job then Mil. came along an offered him an amount of money that he just couldn't turn down. I mean look at the Huk situation, EG came along an offered Huk a megafuckton of cash an even though he loved liquid moved teams. SO really only Dragon knows the whole story between his leaving SlayerS an joining Mil. a month or so later. Someone needs to update the OP with more information so that people know all the facts. Dragon posted on twitter one month after leaving SlayerS that he had been searching for a team for a month already. Basically he'd been searching for a new team since right after leaving. | ||
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Kamwah
United Kingdom724 Posts
Jessica is a PR nightmare and should just let it go. Dragon hasn't done anything wrong except whatever controversy he may have been involved in quite a while ago. | ||
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anApple
Singapore275 Posts
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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