EPTThat said, I think Jessica is acting with terrible PR. What she seems to not understand is, she is no longer an individual with personal opinions. She is one of the faces of Team SlayerS. Her actions are no longer her own; they are the actions of SlayerS. She is not allowed to act as unprofessional as this. Imagine the outrage if coL had publicly attacked Stephano after the incident with Mill. She can't get a free ride on this because of "Korean tradition" or the popularity of Team SlayerS. You don't see this from anyone else in the Korean proscene, except maybe Coach Lee. She is acting horribly unprofessionally, regardless of what Dragon did, and at this point I think Boxer needs to bite the bullet and get someone other than his girlfriend to be responsible for PR. Bitching and whining on Twitter is not acceptable from anyone.
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
That said, I think Jessica is acting with terrible PR. What she seems to not understand is, she is no longer an individual with personal opinions. She is one of the faces of Team SlayerS. Her actions are no longer her own; they are the actions of SlayerS. She is not allowed to act as unprofessional as this. Imagine the outrage if coL had publicly attacked Stephano after the incident with Mill. She can't get a free ride on this because of "Korean tradition" or the popularity of Team SlayerS. You don't see this from anyone else in the Korean proscene, except maybe Coach Lee. She is acting horribly unprofessionally, regardless of what Dragon did, and at this point I think Boxer needs to bite the bullet and get someone other than his girlfriend to be responsible for PR. Bitching and whining on Twitter is not acceptable from anyone. | ||
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Leragie
United States8 Posts
Of course there is probably more to this story than any of us will ever know. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:05 OBC wrote: Jessica needs to shut the fuck up. This attitude is ridiculous. Couldn't put that any more diplomatically? | ||
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FuRRyChoBo
United States218 Posts
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
Let the kid be, after all, he's a kid. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
Don't get me wrong, in my opinion anyone who cheats is a scumbag and does not deserve a second chance, I take a very hard view on such things. But scumbag or not, Jessica is greatly overreacting. | ||
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xiaofan
United States513 Posts
On March 08 2012 09:38 FuRRyChoBo wrote: I'd be terrified to even join Slayers if I was a progamer. You could forget to leave the seat down and you'd have Jessica tweeting about how big of a piece of shit you are. LOL amen to that. I don't know about you guys, but I've lost a bit of faith in Boxer after this... not to sound misogynistic, but I kind of expected Boxer to step in after all this drama, and all the previous tweets. After all, it is HIS team, and HIS wife. I'm not saying I expect Boxer to put his women in her place, but as team leader/life partner/role model, I'd expected him to end this by now. | ||
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shinyA
United States473 Posts
Proteams are employers, players are employees. If someone offers you a better job it isn't the employees fault for leaving, it's the employers. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On March 08 2012 09:52 xiaofan wrote: LOL amen to that. I don't know about you guys, but I've lost a bit of faith in Boxer after this... not to sound misogynistic, but I kind of expected Boxer to step in after all this drama, and all the previous tweets. After all, it is HIS team, and HIS wife. I'm not saying I expect Boxer to put his women in her place, but as team leader/life partner/role model, I'd expected him to end this by now. there is no drama...you guys are creating drama out of nothing. she was frustrated and just tweeted, people do this all the time on fb and tweeter. | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:06 jinorazi wrote: there is no drama...you guys are creating drama out of nothing. she was frustrated and just tweeted, people do this all the time on fb and tweeter. Any other PR person for any other company would have been fired over continuous mistakes though. A PR person is not supposed to act this way. It's immature and childish. How can we expect SC2 to be taken seriously if the people running it are children? | ||
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shinyA
United States473 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:06 jinorazi wrote: there is no drama...you guys are creating drama out of nothing. she was frustrated and just tweeted, people do this all the time on fb and tweeter. most of those 'people who do this all the time' are teenage girls, not PR/Managers of famous organizations. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
it just seems like beating a dead horse, like how some people still bring up naniwa. maybe she shouldn't say such personal things to public, maybe its no big deal. shes just pissed and is venting on her tweeter like any other person would. it wouldn't be her fault for tweeting not because shes famous/pr/whatever but because she forgot what she says could cause a shitstorm for no reason. | ||
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MVega
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On March 08 2012 10:18 ranshaked wrote: Any other PR person for any other company would have been fired over continuous mistakes though. A PR person is not supposed to act this way. It's immature and childish. How can we expect SC2 to be taken seriously if the people running it are children? This is primarily a cultural difference issue, actually - Not really comparable to a company's PR person stepping out of line. This is also something that's fairly unique to StarCraft's community as far as eSports goes. I'm pretty sure people in this community would faint if they saw how controversies are handled and talked about in other eSports. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
Don't delude yourselves, SC2 isn't big enough to the point that Jessica's tweets actually have an effect on the way sponsors view SlayerS, lmao. Celebrities rant on twitter, professionals rant on facebook, it happens. The only drama here is the one in this thread. | ||
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hsun
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First, let's consider a couple of scenarios that most likely happened. 1st scenario: Dragon leaves the team because he can't commit fully to them, intending to work a regular job and play as a hobby, then later changes his mind. 2nd scenario: Dragon doesn't want to create any drama for the team about his departure. He doesn't want to say anything bad about his former teammates and team. So he says he's leaving for a neutral reason to save their face, and later "changes his mind". He left the team without creating any bad impression of them. Also, he may still have truly intended regular work as an alternative. It's debatable this thing about truth/lies, but sometimes there are good white lies. If you know a stalker asking for the address of his victim, and you know the address, you should not tell the truth. Back to Jessica. Please grow up. If she look at what she says, it's selfish, narcissistic type "why do I even bother raising them", etc. It likes the boss who buys pizza for his subordinates, but no one acknowledges him like "wow, you're awesome, thanks for buying the pizza for us" and he rants about how no one appreciates him and what he does for them. The boss misses the point completely, too into himself. With Jessica's tweet, she's trying to destroy his image. That's really ugly drama. As for Dragon's past, people make mistakes. His was minor and deserves complete redemption. If you can't forgive, then leave him alone. Why the hate? What has he done to you? Paul Allen, cofounder of Microsoft, writes in his biography how he overheard Bill Gates and Steve Balmer conspiring to reduce his share in the company because they felt he wasn't contributing enough. When Bill Gates was asked about that, he said "I don't remember it happening like that". Most likely it happened, and he "lied" about it. But Bill Gates is a prominent figure of philanthropy. Whatever mistakes he made in his past, he's probably trying to atone for it with current actions. Bill Clinton. "What is 'is'?" 'nuff said. Now he's a leading figure in the humanitarian world. Newt Gringrich, a presidential candidate, was asked in a news interview about him telling some agency head to "overlook a certain policy", and he said "I don't recall that happening". Dragon's mistake. Very minor. He learned from it. He handled it by gracefully apologizing. | ||
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Sickkiee
Japan607 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:55 zefreak wrote: Too lazy to read the post at the top of this page? Or any of the posts in the last 10? Jesus. Care to elaborate sir? | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On March 08 2012 09:52 xiaofan wrote: LOL amen to that. I don't know about you guys, but I've lost a bit of faith in Boxer after this... not to sound misogynistic, but I kind of expected Boxer to step in after all this drama, and all the previous tweets. After all, it is HIS team, and HIS wife. I'm not saying I expect Boxer to put his women in her place, but as team leader/life partner/role model, I'd expected him to end this by now. First of all, Boxer and Jessica are not husband and wife, they are just in a relationship for all we know. Second of all, Boxer is the team's coach and also a player, he focuses on improving his own play while coaching the other SlayerS members' play at the same time, organizing practice, discussing strategy, etc. Jessica is the team manager, she handles the overall team structure and is the voice of the team. She is EXTREMELY sensitive about her team's image and will fight anyone who tries to tarnish it(see SlayerS_Eve incident.) Boxer is no position nor does he have the time to make a statement for a drama that shouldn't exist in the first place. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:44 hsun wrote: I'm am multicultural, intimately familiar with both eastern and western cultures. I understand the whole thing about respecting your elders, etc. This whole thing about Jessica behaving in the context of the Korean culture to excuse her behavior, it is nonsense. First, let's consider a couple of scenarios that most likely happened. 1st scenario: Dragon leaves the team because he can't commit fully to them, intending to work a regular job and play as a hobby, then later changes his mind. 2nd scenario: Dragon doesn't want to create any drama for the team about his departure. He doesn't want to say anything bad about his former teammates and team. So he says he's leaving for a neutral reason to save their face, and later "changes his mind". He left the team without creating any bad impression of them. Also, he may still have truly intended regular work as an alternative. It's debatable this thing about truth/lies, but sometimes there are good white lies. If you know a stalker asking for the address of his victim, and you know the address, you should not tell the truth. Back to Jessica. Please grow up. If she look at what she says, it's selfish, narcissistic type "why do I even bother raising them", etc. It likes the boss who buys pizza for his subordinates, but no one acknowledges him like "wow, you're awesome, thanks for buying the pizza for us" and he rants about how no one appreciates him and what he does for them. The boss misses the point completely, too into himself. With Jessica's tweet, she's trying to destroy his image. That's really ugly drama. As for Dragon's past, people make mistakes. His was minor and deserves complete redemption. If you can't forgive, then leave him alone. Why the hate? What has he done to you? Paul Allen, cofounder of Microsoft, writes in his biography how he overheard Bill Gates and Steve Balmer conspiring to reduce his share in the company because they felt he wasn't contributing enough. When Bill Gates was asked about that, he said "I don't remember it happening like that". Most likely it happened, and he "lied" about it. But Bill Gates is a prominent figure of philanthropy. Whatever mistakes he made in his past, he's probably trying to atone for it with current actions. Bill Clinton. "What is 'is'?" 'nuff said. Now he's a leading figure in the humanitarian world. Newt Gringrich, a presidential candidate, was asked in a news interview about him telling some agency head to "overlook a certain policy", and he said "I don't recall that happening". Dragon's mistake. Very minor. He learned from it. He handled it by gracefully apologizing. You are correct that Jessica is being very dramatic about the whole issue and should not have said so much on twitter for everyone to see. Her feelings are understandable but that does not mean that they should be expressed openly for everyone to read. She has fault in this, obviously. However you are not giving Dragon his due fault in this issue. Your two scenarios are biased twists on the actual situation, which has been more or less determined for a while now. Dragon tweeted that he had decided to leave SlayerS without actually informing the team beforehand. When asked about his reasons, he stated that it was because he wanted to focus on work and only play Sc2 as a hobby. For those claiming he was not actively searching for a team, Dragon tweeted one month later that he had been searching for a team the whole time, and those who watch him stream also attest to his frequent inquiries into foreign teams. This is not a "white lie". He was on the team, and decided to lie to get out of the team when all he had to do was tell the truth. And about his "minor mistake", it was not minor. He cheated during a tournament (and supposedly on ladder as well). In no way is that minor and immediately forgiveable. His apology was not "graceful" in any way because he went overboard, stating he would no longer pursue a progaming career (which he obviously did not mean, so he should not have said it). He was criticized when he joined a tournament right after. His mistake was not minor. Your view on the subject is unfortunately misguided. I do think he deserves to be given a chance to prove himself, but forgiveness should be earned. He will be redeemed when he proves that he has learned his lesson, has matured, and now understands the consequences of his actions. | ||
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