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On March 08 2012 05:20 lastshadow wrote: No matter what, in Korean culture what Dragon did is unacceptable. This is strictly culture and everyone that is making a comment can't comprehend why, and you can't, until you come to Korea. Even if it seems small to people, it's actually not to Koreans.
You mean changing his mind about not working and playing as a pro again ? Or leaving the team without talking to her beforehand... I can understand the latter, it still doesn't deserve the term "liar" in both cases. People have the right to change their mind. Now, if he planned it all along, it's another problem...
He left Slayers while claiming to intend on focusing on his job and only playing Starcraft as a hobby, then tweeted a few days after leaving that he was searching for a team and now joined Millenium. So, he claimed to leave the team to pursue other interests and then continues on focusing on Starcraft. This contrasts, eg. with Golden's and Sleep's behaviour, who were straightforward to Slayers about their intent to search for a new team, and had their "blessing" to do so (whereas Dragon seems to have acted less with less honesty).
Dragon's case is particularly sensitive because he has a history of stream cheating (among other allegations), and as Slayers gave him a "home" after being publicly shamed (with Dragon going so far as to state to "never dream of other tournaments, televised matches, or pursue a career as a pro-gamer") they no doubt expected him to appreciate their gesture and pay in kind, as in acting properly (to Korean standards).
One should also remember that very recently Slayers had their official twitter and facebook accounts hijacked by a person formerly in their employ (/cooperating with them), which no doubt has stressed Jessica and the team as well (no doubt this has involved [actual] drama which the community doesn't know about).
Further, one ought to keep in mind that Korean culture differs from the one we westerners are used to, so if anything, one should read those tweets/statements with a benign perspective, and not overblow the voiced frustrations of a person - especially from a culture which so values family and interpersonal relationships in general.
On March 08 2012 05:20 lastshadow wrote: No matter what, in Korean culture what Dragon did is unacceptable. This is strictly culture and everyone that is making a comment can't comprehend why, and you can't, until you come to Korea. Even if it seems small to people, it's actually not to Koreans.
You mean changing his mind about not working and playing as a pro again ? Or leaving the team without talking to her beforehand... I can understand the latter, it still doesn't deserve the term "liar" in both cases. People have the right to change their mind. Now, if he planned it all along, it's another problem...
He left Slayers while claiming to intend on focusing on his job and only playing Starcraft as a hobby, then tweeted a few days after leaving that he was searching for a team and now joined Millenium. So, he claimed to leave the team to pursue other interests and then continues on focusing on Starcraft. This contrasts, eg. with Golden's and Sleep's behaviour, who were straightforward to Slayers about their intent to search for a new team, and had their "blessing" to do so (whereas Dragon seems to have acted less with less honesty).
Dragon's case is particularly sensitive because he has a history of stream cheating (among other allegations), and as Slayers gave him a "home" after being publicly shamed (with Dragon going so far as to state to "never dream of other tournaments, televised matches, or pursue a career as a pro-gamer") they no doubt expected him to appreciate their gesture and pay in kind, as in acting properly (to Korean standards).
One should also remember that very recently Slayers had their official twitter and facebook accounts hijacked by a person formerly in their employ (/cooperating with them), which no doubt has stressed Jessica and the team as well (no doubt this has involved [actual] drama which the community doesn't know about).
Further, one ought to keep in mind that Korean culture differs from the one we westerners are used to, so if anything, one should read those tweets/statements with a benign perspective, and not overblow the voiced frustrations of a person - especially from a culture which so values family and interpersonal relationships in general.
Given this, it seems that even a foreign team would be extraordinarily pissed off at him.
On March 08 2012 05:20 lastshadow wrote: No matter what, in Korean culture what Dragon did is unacceptable. This is strictly culture and everyone that is making a comment can't comprehend why, and you can't, until you come to Korea. Even if it seems small to people, it's actually not to Koreans.
You mean changing his mind about not working and playing as a pro again ? Or leaving the team without talking to her beforehand... I can understand the latter, it still doesn't deserve the term "liar" in both cases. People have the right to change their mind. Now, if he planned it all along, it's another problem...
He left Slayers while claiming to intend on focusing on his job and only playing Starcraft as a hobby, then tweeted a few days after leaving that he was searching for a team and now joined Millenium. So, he claimed to leave the team to pursue other interests and then continues on focusing on Starcraft. This contrasts, eg. with Golden's and Sleep's behaviour, who were straightforward to Slayers about their intent to search for a new team, and had their "blessing" to do so (whereas Dragon seems to have acted less with less honesty).
Dragon's case is particularly sensitive because he has a history of stream cheating (among other allegations), and as Slayers gave him a "home" after being publicly shamed (with Dragon going so far as to state to "never dream of other tournaments, televised matches, or pursue a career as a pro-gamer") they no doubt expected him to appreciate their gesture and pay in kind, as in acting properly (to Korean standards).
One should also remember that very recently Slayers had their official twitter and facebook accounts hijacked by a person formerly in their employ (/cooperating with them), which no doubt has stressed Jessica and the team as well (no doubt this has involved [actual] drama which the community doesn't know about).
Further, one ought to keep in mind that Korean culture differs from the one we westerners are used to, so if anything, one should read those tweets/statements with a benign perspective, and not overblow the voiced frustrations of a person - especially from a culture which so values family and interpersonal relationships in general.
Why are you writing things that make sense ? Most people in this thread are kids full of entitlement and love of drama that even korean teenage girls from tv series cannot ever compete with. The funniest thing is I did not consider Jessica's tweets drama, the only drama I see is in this thread, with its fake "high horse" internet warriors. You do not need to be Korean to not be screaming bloody murder because of what Jessica wrote.
Boxer needs to get a lid on Jessica, she seems to be ruled by emotion and her expressive outlet is twitter. That, I feel is more likely to give Slayers a bad rap. In the players eyes. Who wants to be on a team with a vindictive manager? If your upset how a player left your team, talk about it privately. Don't air your dirty laundry on twitter.
People can blaim culture all they want, it has nothing to do with that. Shes a girl venting over the internet for the world to see, when she could just discuss it internally, but she likes to cause drama obviously this isnt the first time. You guys never seem to care about american culture but as soon as some korean causes drama its ok because they care about their "family" but apparently we dont! lol
On March 07 2012 18:33 SolidMustard wrote: "I was crazy for raising kids like them as if they were my own children."
... Come on, stop the freakin drama, girl! I may be wrong but it looks like clear exageration... It's not like they lost MMA or Puzzle, and maybe he was honest and just changed his mind. I'm so mad at her, who does she think she is?
"maybe this is why there's a saying "you get nothing out of raising people"? Why am I doing this?" Yeah, poor Jessica, you're a victim. Seriously, what is she thinking...
With all due respect, sir, you are a victim.
Most of you guys are criticizing Jessica not understanding the culture and I even see people trying to define Korean culture in an untrue way.
Do I support Jessica ongoing public on her private social network with this issue? I'm on the fence with that one. Can I emphasize with Jessica for her anger? Definitely.
First of all, let me make it clear that Jessica's exasperation comes from the fact that person not being honest and open-ended with the team - hiding the fact that he wants to join a different team. And don't try to shelter that person by saying that 'maybe he didn't know what he wanted at that time' or that it was a matter of miscommunication. Such things don't happen - especially in Korean culture.
Secondly, a team is much more personal in Korea than it is here in North America. Things are much more business like over here - if it doesn't fit your personal need, the hell with the team. In Korea, it's almost like (at least traditionally) a real family - if a member of your family leaves ur family (ie. a mother running away) it hurts the family no matter what. HOWEVER if there's a reason good enough for the person to leave the family, you could let that person go. THAT's why Jessica was hurt, and if u can't understand that, don't you dare attack her with your narrow-view of the world.
For those of you blindly accusing her of doing bad PR, while I am not 100% sure (being lived outside of Korea for about 20 years) how much more acceptable her action would be to the Koreans living in Korea, keep in mind that Jessica is someone living in Korea, managing a Korean team that has its base deeply rooted in Korean tradition and mentality.
Her utmost priority is to manage the team in the most efficient way, which is to manage it in Korean way, and if that causes displeasing the foreign fans, so be it.
On March 08 2012 05:20 lastshadow wrote: No matter what, in Korean culture what Dragon did is unacceptable. This is strictly culture and everyone that is making a comment can't comprehend why, and you can't, until you come to Korea. Even if it seems small to people, it's actually not to Koreans.
You mean changing his mind about not working and playing as a pro again ? Or leaving the team without talking to her beforehand... I can understand the latter, it still doesn't deserve the term "liar" in both cases. People have the right to change their mind. Now, if he planned it all along, it's another problem...
He left Slayers while claiming to intend on focusing on his job and only playing Starcraft as a hobby, then tweeted a few days after leaving that he was searching for a team and now joined Millenium. So, he claimed to leave the team to pursue other interests and then continues on focusing on Starcraft. This contrasts, eg. with Golden's and Sleep's behaviour, who were straightforward to Slayers about their intent to search for a new team, and had their "blessing" to do so (whereas Dragon seems to have acted less with less honesty).
Dragon's case is particularly sensitive because he has a history of stream cheating (among other allegations), and as Slayers gave him a "home" after being publicly shamed (with Dragon going so far as to state to "never dream of other tournaments, televised matches, or pursue a career as a pro-gamer") they no doubt expected him to appreciate their gesture and pay in kind, as in acting properly (to Korean standards).
One should also remember that very recently Slayers had their official twitter and facebook accounts hijacked by a person formerly in their employ (/cooperating with them), which no doubt has stressed Jessica and the team as well (no doubt this has involved [actual] drama which the community doesn't know about).
Further, one ought to keep in mind that Korean culture differs from the one we westerners are used to, so if anything, one should read those tweets/statements with a benign perspective, and not overblow the voiced frustrations of a person - especially from a culture which so values family and interpersonal relationships in general.
Very good post, especially where Dragon states that he'd never pursue a career as a pro-gamer.
"you get nothing out of raising people"? Why am I doing this?
It makes you look very petty and insecure.
I know you're angry, but you are the adult and he's just a kid. You have to stay classy...
These are korean to english translations. You have to understand that these translations are NOT exact in any shape or form because there are words in korean that are extremely difficult to translate. So don't take the tweet as such drama
On March 08 2012 05:20 lastshadow wrote: No matter what, in Korean culture what Dragon did is unacceptable. This is strictly culture and everyone that is making a comment can't comprehend why, and you can't, until you come to Korea. Even if it seems small to people, it's actually not to Koreans.
You mean changing his mind about not working and playing as a pro again ? Or leaving the team without talking to her beforehand... I can understand the latter, it still doesn't deserve the term "liar" in both cases. People have the right to change their mind. Now, if he planned it all along, it's another problem...
He left Slayers while claiming to intend on focusing on his job and only playing Starcraft as a hobby, then tweeted a few days after leaving that he was searching for a team and now joined Millenium. So, he claimed to leave the team to pursue other interests and then continues on focusing on Starcraft. This contrasts, eg. with Golden's and Sleep's behaviour, who were straightforward to Slayers about their intent to search for a new team, and had their "blessing" to do so (whereas Dragon seems to have acted less with less honesty).
Dragon's case is particularly sensitive because he has a history of stream cheating (among other allegations), and as Slayers gave him a "home" after being publicly shamed (with Dragon going so far as to state to "never dream of other tournaments, televised matches, or pursue a career as a pro-gamer") they no doubt expected him to appreciate their gesture and pay in kind, as in acting properly (to Korean standards).
One should also remember that very recently Slayers had their official twitter and facebook accounts hijacked by a person formerly in their employ (/cooperating with them), which no doubt has stressed Jessica and the team as well (no doubt this has involved [actual] drama which the community doesn't know about).
Further, one ought to keep in mind that Korean culture differs from the one we westerners are used to, so if anything, one should read those tweets/statements with a benign perspective, and not overblow the voiced frustrations of a person - especially from a culture which so values family and interpersonal relationships in general.
Why are you writing things that make sense ? Most people in this thread are kids full of entitlement and love of drama that even korean teenage girls from tv series cannot ever compete with. The funniest thing is I did not consider Jessica's tweets drama, the only drama I see is in this thread, with its fake "high horse" internet warriors. You do not need to be Korean to not be screaming bloody murder because of what Jessica wrote.
Glad to see that at least some of you are being mature & rational, instead of being juvenile and attacking someone/something they do not understand.
Mehh...Jessica is still acting hysteric, cultural stuff or not. I can understand where Jessica's coming from but that doesn't mean I disagree with her actions any less. Dragon left SlayerS, all connections were cut. He played sc2 as a hobby for a couple of months, had a change of heart and looked for a team. Slayers has nothing to say about him, he left, that's the end of their relationship. How he lives his life afterwards is none of their business. He even picked a foreign team, he's even moving to France; left the Korean scene. He's completely out of SlayerS sight and yet they still make a big deal of it. He wasn't even particularly high-ranked in SlayerS...
I feel bad for Jessica, but it's not like he specifically left to join Mill.
He left using the pretense of work; which I don't see the problem with. Why would you live in the SlayerS house, be a progamer if you don't even compete as one... hence he went to work, decided that he wanted to try one more time to be a pro-gamer and was offered a spot on Mil on a foreign team.
On March 07 2012 17:36 Aserrin wrote: Do you guys honestly believe that Jessica calling Dragon out hurts SlayerS' reputation?
To the extent Dragon fans have to go... this is unreal.
Dragon fans? Looking at this from a completely business perspective, do you think that people would want to do business with slayers after seeing how crazy jessica gets when things that aren't completely in her favor go? Even if dragon completely lied, do you think that it's smart to slander people over twitter where everyone can see it? I'm a dragon fan but im also a huge slayers fan as well. This is not in the best interest for slayers by far.
Dragon lied, how is this bad for slayers? Should this have come out on twitter? No, but at the end of the day did Dragon lie? Yes.
On March 08 2012 07:46 Sickkiee wrote: I feel bad for Jessica, but it's not like he specifically left to join Mill.
He left using the pretense of work; which I don't see the problem with. Why would you live in the SlayerS house, be a progamer if you don't even compete as one... hence he went to work, decided that he wanted to try one more time to be a pro-gamer and was offered a spot on Mil on a foreign team.
Whats so bad about that.
Too lazy to read the post at the top of this page? Or any of the posts in the last 10? Jesus.
EPT
Most people in this thread are kids full of entitlement and love of drama that even korean teenage girls from tv series cannot ever compete with. The funniest thing is I did not consider Jessica's tweets drama, the only drama I see is in this thread, with its fake "high horse" internet warriors. You do not need to be Korean to not be screaming bloody murder because of what Jessica wrote.
