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On March 08 2012 05:20 lastshadow wrote:
No matter what, in Korean culture what Dragon did is unacceptable. This is strictly culture and everyone that is making a comment can't comprehend why, and you can't, until you come to Korea. Even if it seems small to people, it's actually not to Koreans.
I guess watching Starcraft makes you an expert in Korean culture?
edit: lives in Korea, my bad, stupid of me.
Ty to the poster below me for pointing that out.
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On March 08 2012 05:24 Apollo_Shards wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 05:20 lastshadow wrote:
No matter what, in Korean culture what Dragon did is unacceptable. This is strictly culture and everyone that is making a comment can't comprehend why, and you can't, until you come to Korea. Even if it seems small to people, it's actually not to Koreans. I guess watching Starcraft makes you an expert in Korean culture?
Lastshadow lives in korea.
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Even if she is right Jessica is quite old, while Dragon is young, i believe. The last thing older, "parenting", people should do is call out their "raised children" in public. You gotta expect young people to make stupid descisions. This hurts my respect for Jessica more than my respect for Dragon. Also, I don´t think Dragon made this descision for no reason.
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Dragon is just a kiddy and what he's done is unacceptable. The Westerners, please stop blaming on Jessica since you guys wouldn't never understand the Asian culture.
Korean scene is still fine with Jessica's reactions, you know why ?
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On March 08 2012 05:24 Shalaiyn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 05:20 lastshadow wrote:
No matter what, in Korean culture what Dragon did is unacceptable. This is strictly culture and everyone that is making a comment can't comprehend why, and you can't, until you come to Korea. Even if it seems small to people, it's actually not to Koreans. If it's Korean culture don't suddenly tweet it in English too and expect foreigners to sympathise with what we perceive to be grossly overexaggerated.
Wasn't it tweeted in korean and we were the ones that went and translated it?
I don't know what to make of this, but I do know that dragon fucking loves sc2 and hes really good at it. You can see the smile on his face whenever he plays, and thats part of why he gets so many viewers when hes fucking around or playing seriously. I'm glad he's playing, and its not my place to say whether its right or wrong of him to do so.
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Do you think she even undertands the power of the english words she's saying? Fuck no. They memorize basic meanings, the same way I can memorize basic meanings of Korean words. Do I understand the power of the words in full? No. And so things can be taken out of context, misunderstood, and their power misintrepreted, she probably has no idea the magnitude of the things she has said. People need to remember she's not an English speaker, and like that, she's just speaking memorized phrases... Look at her english, it's pretty obvious she doesn't have a command over it...
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On March 08 2012 05:32 lastshadow wrote:
Do you think she even undertands the power of the english words she's saying? Fuck no. They memorize basic meanings, the same way I can memorize basic meanings of Korean words. Do I understand the power of the words in full? No. And so things can be taken out of context, misunderstood, and their power misintrepreted, she probably has no idea the magnitude of the things she has said. People need to remember she's not an English speaker, and like that, she's just speaking memorized phrases... Look at her english, it's pretty obvious she doesn't have a command over it...
Then once again, that's her mistake. Alright, maybe what she's saying is slightly less dramatic and crazy but it still comes off that way in her tweets.
She just always seems to play the victim in every single situation. This isn't something that every other Korean team and their manager/coach does or deals with on a regular or semi-regular basis, but for some reason every couple of months Jessica is involved in some kind of drama.
If she tweets in English, she should expect the foreign community to respond to what she tweets, at that point she needs to consider how foreign cultures will view her actions, which appear to be absolutely ridiculous to me.
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On March 08 2012 05:20 lastshadow wrote:
No matter what, in Korean culture what Dragon did is unacceptable. This is strictly culture and everyone that is making a comment can't comprehend why, and you can't, until you come to Korea. Even if it seems small to people, it's actually not to Koreans.
Oh please the moment Jessica tweeted in English is the moment the Korean-Western Culture barrier ceased to exist. Because that tweet now is gone to a foreign audience. Get off your high horse.
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Lastshadow lives in korea. [/QUOTE]
So what? Because he lives in Korea that means everything he says is right and we should accept it? Is he even Korean in the first place or just another foreigner living there? I am pretty sure growing up with Korean culture from birth > Living in Korea as an expat for years.
Seeing as my mother is Korean and the fact that I grew up with Korean/American culture, I can see both sides of the spectrum and the fact that lastshadow thinks anyone who disagrees with Jessica obviously doesn't know Korean culture is condenscending. The amount of Drama Jessica seems to rival that of a Korean drama on TV.
On March 08 2012 05:32 lastshadow wrote:
Do you think she even undertands the power of the english words she's saying? Fuck no. They memorize basic meanings, the same way I can memorize basic meanings of Korean words. Do I understand the power of the words in full? No. And so things can be taken out of context, misunderstood, and their power misintrepreted, she probably has no idea the magnitude of the things she has said. People need to remember she's not an English speaker, and like that, she's just speaking memorized phrases... Look at her english, it's pretty obvious she doesn't have a command over it...
Then maybe should shouldn't have tried to tweet anything in English in the first place. It is not our fault she doesn't speak English. Maybe she should hire a native English speaker for Slayers Twitter,etc...so that if she wants to tweet in English then she has help and she will not have to worry about any backlash due to misunderstandings. Misunderstandings or not what is said has been said and now the consquences have come.
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On March 08 2012 04:44 halfies wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 04:25 Chessz wrote:
wow, jessica seems whiny and overemotional and victimizing herself all the time.. Not to mention constantly talking shit whenever something doesn't go her/Slayers way. Not sure if Dragon left the team and really did mean to play sc2 as a hobby, but then after about a year Mill contacted him with an offer that made him reconsider. People have the right to change their mind about things, it doesn't make them a liar.
Meanwhile, more and more shit talking and whining, i could never imagine being in a relationship with her. Boxer deserves a way cooler gf than this.
edit: I realize there is a history of Dragon tweeting/streaming about seeking foreign teams.. but should you really be airing your dirty laundry in public all the time, on twitter? it wasnt a year, it was 2 months. i do think jessica is over reacting, but dragon seems to have no integrity at all, its not the first time hes 'changed his mind' after saying something
Slayers could have kept him under contract until his contract expired if he even had one. Just because your retiring or your changing your mind..etc etc...doesn't mean the team has to have poor planning in how they want to address this. You really think they didn't sit around and say "I wonder if dragon is looking for another team... "
Either slayers is the dumbest management in the world or the best...I think its the latter, trying to play the 1st just is tiresome and dramaful.
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On March 08 2012 05:40 Syke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 05:20 lastshadow wrote:
No matter what, in Korean culture what Dragon did is unacceptable. This is strictly culture and everyone that is making a comment can't comprehend why, and you can't, until you come to Korea. Even if it seems small to people, it's actually not to Koreans. Oh please the moment Jessica tweeted in English is the moment the Korean-Western Culture barrier ceased to exist. Because that tweet now is gone to a foreign audience. Get off your high horse.
Lastshadow lives in korea.
So what? Because he lives in Korea that means everything he says is right and we should accept it? Is he even Korean in the first place or just another foreigner living there? I am pretty sure growing up with Korean culture from birth > Living in Korea as an expat for years.
Seeing as my mother is Korean and the fact that I grew up with Korean/American culture, I can see both sides of the spectrum and the fact that lastshadow thinks anyone who disagrees with Jessica obviously doesn't know Korean culture is condenscending. The amount of Drama Jessica seems to get rivals that of a Korean drama on TV.
On March 08 2012 05:32 lastshadow wrote:
Do you think she even undertands the power of the english words she's saying? Fuck no. They memorize basic meanings, the same way I can memorize basic meanings of Korean words. Do I understand the power of the words in full? No. And so things can be taken out of context, misunderstood, and their power misintrepreted, she probably has no idea the magnitude of the things she has said. People need to remember she's not an English speaker, and like that, she's just speaking memorized phrases... Look at her english, it's pretty obvious she doesn't have a command over it...
Then maybe should shouldn't have tried to tweet anything in English in the first place. It is not our fault she doesn't speak English. Maybe she should hire a native English speaker for Slayers Twitter,etc...so that if she wants to tweet in English then she has help and she will not have to worry about any backlash due to misunderstandings. Misunderstandings or not what is said has been said and now the consquences have come.
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On March 08 2012 05:16 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
It's the internet. It's twitter. I don't see why Jessica can't express her frustration. I don't see why dragon can't make retaliations of his own. People should make up their own minds and have their own opinions. Seems healthy to me.
Jessica seems to have no problem lighting people up on twitter with all kinds of accusations and insults. But, she has no problem going to the police when other do the exact same thing about her or her team. She is the definition of a hypocrite.
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so, this is, what "blown out of proportion" means ? interesting ..
someone is venting over something on twitter, people make a 15 page thread on teamliquid about it ...
all she said is that she's pissed about someone telling her he doesn't want to play the game professionally anymore and then joined another team ... i'd be pissed too if something like that happened to me. I dunno if i would use twitter to vent about such a situation, but hey, everyone reacts differently.
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Lets be honest about this whole thing.
Dragon dosen't give a fuck.
2 weeks time, nobody is going to care. And it will be another 4-6 weeks before Jessica makes a stupid comment on Twitter.
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She no doubt feels betrayed. They put in a lot of time, money, and energy into developing their team. They take care of them and evidentally treat them like their own children. Then those kids grow up and get a job. Except in this place he didn't. He joined a different "family" instead. I get it.
Sort of like how Bret Favre played for his entire career for the Packers. Then he retired and was a celebrated hero when he did. The people were ok with him retiring. Then he came back. But not with the Packers. He played for their rivals the Vikings. Every Green Bay fan on the planet hated him for it. I'm a Lions fan myself so it didn't really matter but a friend of mine at work who was a huge Green Bay fan wouldn't even say his name she hated him so bad. Seems like a similar story here.
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On March 08 2012 05:20 lastshadow wrote:
No matter what, in Korean culture what Dragon did is unacceptable. This is strictly culture and everyone that is making a comment can't comprehend why, and you can't, until you come to Korea. Even if it seems small to people, it's actually not to Koreans.
You mean changing his mind about not working and playing as a pro again ? Or leaving the team without talking to her beforehand...
I can understand the latter, it still doesn't deserve the term "liar" in both cases. People have the right to change their mind. Now, if he planned it all along, it's another problem...
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On March 08 2012 06:06 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 05:20 lastshadow wrote:
No matter what, in Korean culture what Dragon did is unacceptable. This is strictly culture and everyone that is making a comment can't comprehend why, and you can't, until you come to Korea. Even if it seems small to people, it's actually not to Koreans. You mean changing his mind about not working and playing as a pro again ? Or leaving the team without talking to her beforehand... I can understand the latter, it still doesn't deserve the term "liar" in both cases. People have the right to change their mind. Now, if he planned it all along, it's another problem...
Read the thread. He was looking for a team right after leaving, and from some of his tweets probably before he even left.
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Not gonna lie, she does come off as a control freak. Yeah dragon may have lied about leaving the team, but no need to air this all out to public it just makes you look silly.
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On March 08 2012 06:01 Magic_Mike wrote:
She no doubt feels betrayed. They put in a lot of time, money, and energy into developing their team. They take care of them and evidentally treat them like their own children. Then those kids grow up and get a job. Except in this place he didn't. He joined a different "family" instead. I get it.
Sort of like how Bret Favre played for his entire career for the Packers. Then he retired and was a celebrated hero when he did. The people were ok with him retiring. Then he came back. But not with the Packers. He played for their rivals the Vikings. Every Green Bay fan on the planet hated him for it. I'm a Lions fan myself so it didn't really matter but a friend of mine at work who was a huge Green Bay fan wouldn't even say his name she hated him so bad. Seems like a similar story here.
one packer fan hates him... im from madison and all of my fellow packer fans and i still totally respect brett favre for a decade and a half of amazing play. ... lions fans -____- 
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On March 08 2012 05:40 Syke wrote:
So what? Because he lives in Korea that means everything he says is right and we should accept it? Is he even Korean in the first place or just another foreigner living there? I am pretty sure growing up with Korean culture from birth > Living in Korea as an expat for years.
Seeing as my mother is Korean and the fact that I grew up with Korean/American culture, I can see both sides of the spectrum and the fact that lastshadow thinks anyone who disagrees with Jessica obviously doesn't know Korean culture is condenscending. The amount of Drama Jessica seems to rival that of a Korean drama on TV.
I am Korean and I approve that statement. We do have stronger belief in family as we are collectivist people. Although Jessica's response may seems absurd, it is totally understandable and even netizens from Korean forum critisized dragon for such behaviour.
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On March 08 2012 06:06 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 05:20 lastshadow wrote:
No matter what, in Korean culture what Dragon did is unacceptable. This is strictly culture and everyone that is making a comment can't comprehend why, and you can't, until you come to Korea. Even if it seems small to people, it's actually not to Koreans. You mean changing his mind about not working and playing as a pro again ? Or leaving the team without talking to her beforehand... I can understand the latter, it still doesn't deserve the term "liar" in both cases. People have the right to change their mind. Now, if he planned it all along, it's another problem...
He left Slayers while claiming to intend on focusing on his job and only playing Starcraft as a hobby, then tweeted a few days after leaving that he was searching for a team and now joined Millenium. So, he claimed to leave the team to pursue other interests and then continues on focusing on Starcraft. This contrasts, eg. with Golden's and Sleep's behaviour, who were straightforward to Slayers about their intent to search for a new team, and had their "blessing" to do so (whereas Dragon seems to have acted less with less honesty).
Dragon's case is particularly sensitive because he has a history of stream cheating (among other allegations), and as Slayers gave him a "home" after being publicly shamed (with Dragon going so far as to state to "never dream of other tournaments, televised matches, or pursue a career as a pro-gamer") they no doubt expected him to appreciate their gesture and pay in kind, as in acting properly (to Korean standards).
One should also remember that very recently Slayers had their official twitter and facebook accounts hijacked by a person formerly in their employ (/cooperating with them), which no doubt has stressed Jessica and the team as well (no doubt this has involved [actual] drama which the community doesn't know about).
Further, one ought to keep in mind that Korean culture differs from the one we westerners are used to, so if anything, one should read those tweets/statements with a benign perspective, and not overblow the voiced frustrations of a person - especially from a culture which so values family and interpersonal relationships in general.
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