EPTLiquid documentary delayed - Page 15
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iVitaminC
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[Agony]x90
United States853 Posts
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Bart
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On April 29 2012 21:30 Jakkerr wrote: I don't see why that's such a huge thing. They are just Koreans on a foreign team training in Korea every day, if a foreigner would reach the final I would agree but now? no Actually I kinda agree with Jakkerr. I don't mind that foreign teams go around picking up Korean players but it feels kinda cheating when they still train with their old team. In my mind if you switch teams u should be training with ur current team and work together to increase the team's skill level. Honestly if Taeja or Hero wins GSL I won't go nuts because it still feels like they're still Slayers_Taeja or OGS_Hero. | ||
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
On April 30 2012 16:06 Bart wrote: Actually I kinda agree with Jakkerr. I don't mind that foreign teams go around picking up Korean players but it feels kinda cheating when they still train with their old team. In my mind if you switch teams u should be training with ur current team and work together to increase the team's skill level. Honestly if Taeja or Hero wins GSL I won't go nuts because it still feels like they're still Slayers_Taeja or OGS_Hero. So if what you're saying is true, then we should have never cheered for Jinro when he made Ro4 twice. And we should absolutely never cheer HuK, and we shouldn't cheer Naniwa on his upcoming matches. Jinro and HuK were both in the oGs house and Naniwa is training in the Startale house. All these great foreign players haven't trained with their "own teams" as you say it. They are all training with the koreans which are not on their team and that's how they got better. | ||
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Bart
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sharky246
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On April 30 2012 16:19 Bart wrote: i'm not saying you shouldn't cheer for them. I'm saying I feel like foreign teams buying good Korean players but leaving them to train with their old team instead of getting them to train with their current team feels kinda cheating to me and a bit of a waste for the foreign players on those teams that could benefit from training day in and day out with the Korean player. If you feel differently I'm happy that you do. So what you are saying is that, basically, when foreign teams buy good korean players, the only thing that changes is the team that the player represents and the person paying salary, but the said korean player's life remains practically the same. And it gets on your nerves because the foreign team gets credibility for the korean player success, even though the player could have done just as well without the foreign team. Is this what your thinking? | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
On April 30 2012 16:12 McKTenor13 wrote: So if what you're saying is true, then we should have never cheered for Jinro when he made Ro4 twice. And we should absolutely never cheer HuK, and we shouldn't cheer Naniwa on his upcoming matches. Jinro and HuK were both in the oGs house and Naniwa is training in the Startale house. All these great foreign players haven't trained with their "own teams" as you say it. They are all training with the koreans which are not on their team and that's how they got better. You're leading this to something else. There's a huge difference with what the previous posts were saying to what you are. They're saying Koreans training in Korea but are in foreign teams aren't a big deal, while you're implying that they're saying you shouldn't get hyped up for the players you as an individual want to win. And you talking about Jinro and Huk proves you're on a different spectrum. I agree with the previous posts. What's the big deal about a Korean in a foreign team doing well in the GSL, if they're training in Korea?! I don't see Taeja as Liquid yet - he's all SlayerS for a long time. Should we see HerO any differently? Should we consider them "foreigner", just because of their team name? The whole "foreigner" vs Korea is so ridiculous that people put foreigners that succeed against Koreans on any occasion on some special pedestal, start throwing words like "bonjwa" around. Shit, FXO is a foreign team, but when Leenock won MLG, the forums weren't flooded with the crap that came when Stephano won IPL3. On April 30 2012 16:30 sharky246 wrote: So what you are saying is that, basically, when foreign teams buy good korean players, the only thing that changes is the team that the player represents and the person paying salary, but the said korean player's life remains practically the same. And it gets on your nerves because the foreign team gets credibility for the korean player success, even though the player could have done just as well without the foreign team. Is this what your thinking? I personally couldn't care less about the team. I didn't, and still don't, have an overwhelming respect for Incredible Miracle just because they field two three-time GSL champions. Never did, never will. I didn't suddenly find myself drooling over NSHS when Jjakji won. But when I watched how he, as an individual, took down Leenock, he got my respect. I disagree with the "cheating" thing. My personal gripe is when people put these individuals on a different level because of their team name. Like shit, it feels like Taeja didn't have any fans before he was Liquid, when I'm sure he had a lot. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On April 30 2012 16:06 Bart wrote: Actually I kinda agree with Jakkerr. I don't mind that foreign teams go around picking up Korean players but it feels kinda cheating when they still train with their old team. In my mind if you switch teams u should be training with ur current team and work together to increase the team's skill level. Honestly if Taeja or Hero wins GSL I won't go nuts because it still feels like they're still Slayers_Taeja or OGS_Hero. Well, while it's unlikely that anybody can change the way you feel about it, I'll try to explain why your emotions are extremely irrational in this case. HerO has been living and training with TL players and in what's technically a (shared) TL house since long before he actually joined the team. So HerO not only meets, but exceeds the expectations you declared. Taeja is actually living at home and training on his own, in fact he's not even based in Seoul. So if he's not Liquid enough by your standards, then he most certainly isn't and hasn't ever been SlayerS either. Moreover, the way training works in SC2 (especially so in foreign teams), all players pretty much arrange their own training and pick their own training partners, and it's very common for practice partners to not be teammates. This isn't Brood War, teams don't really actively train together on a day-to-day basis. On April 30 2012 16:34 Xpace wrote: You're leading this to something else. There's a huge difference with what the previous posts were saying to what you are. They're saying Koreans training in Korea but are in foreign teams aren't a big deal, while you're implying that they're saying you shouldn't get hyped up for the players you as an individual want to win. And you talking about Jinro and Huk proves you're on a different spectrum. I agree with the previous posts. What's the big deal about a Korean in a foreign team doing well in the GSL, if they're training in Korea?! I don't see Taeja as Liquid yet - he's all SlayerS for a long time. Should we see HerO any differently? Should we consider them "foreigner", just because of their team name? The whole "foreigner" vs Korea is so ridiculous that people put foreigners that succeed against Koreans on any occasion on some special pedestal, start throwing words like "bonjwa" around. Shit, FXO is a foreign team, but when Leenock won MLG, the forums weren't flooded with the crap that came when Stephano won IPL3. You say that the whole "foreigner vs Korea" thing is ridiculous - which is true, some people are really irrationally obsessed with player's nationality - but then you base your whole argument around it and agree with the people that do the same. As for Korean in Korea doing well in the GSL being a big deal, you do realize that there are hundreds of Korean players, training in Korea, that don't do well in GSL and fail to qualify for Code S, or even Code A, right? How is it NOT a big deal for any player and their team to have two of their players reach the RO8 of the most prestigious tournament in the world, especially if they made it that far for the first time in their careers? | ||
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Reborn_Rebirth
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On May 01 2012 14:34 Reborn_Rebirth wrote: its the end of apirl and still no Team Liquid Documentary.Hmmmm im sad to say we may never see it. Ya dude you nailed it. | ||
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Intr3pid
Switzerland336 Posts
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Hondelul
1999 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:13 Kennigit wrote: We are watching a first cut internally tonight. Lots of work to do still to get it to the quality we want, but we're making a lot of progress. No hard ETA, but we should have it out in weeks, not months. Stay tuned. + Show Spoiler + Unless hero or taeja get to Code S finals because well fuck everyone i want that clip at the end :o From http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=309351¤tpage=9#179. Since Hero advanced I guess it takes some more time. But that´s fine  | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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ThirdDegree
United States329 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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.Carnage
United States99 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On May 06 2012 23:47 Torte de Lini wrote: Always something coming up that would make the TL Docu. even better. Nothing will top a Code S victory for a long time. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On May 06 2012 23:52 .Carnage wrote: How could anyone be upset that the documentary is going to have more awesome content? b-b-but liquid is funding it, releasing it for no charge. how dare they change their release date to include the most prestigious tournament finals. especially when there are no other tournaments in the next months where liquid has a high probability of winning it. i want my esports dollars back. | ||
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iVitaminC
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nubcak3
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