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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:20 ePLocust wrote: The match fixing scandal is on a wholly different level than mere stream cheating. The two are not even close to comparable. in fact trying to murder someone is just different from having murdered him, because they are not even close to comparable. | ||
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:21 Cokefreak wrote: You sir, just made a huge idiot out of yourself. It's okay to have different beliefs and views but don't shit on other peoples views like that please. I'm just mimicing people on this thread. I didn't talk about their real life, but when you lack of arguments people will start to talk about your real life  in fact, you are such a genius that you called me idiot, even if I didn't insult anyone. What an intelligent person you are | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:22 Sergio1992 wrote: I'm just mimicing people on this thread. I didn't talk about their real life, but when you lack of arguments people will start to talk about your real life That's not really a proper way to post, you should know that ._. You said yourself TL is a democracy so everyone is entitled to their opinion but it's no excuse to "TROLL MODE ON". | ||
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:24 Cokefreak wrote: That's not really a proper way to post, you should know that ._. You said yourself TL is a democracy so everyone is entitled to their opinion but it's no excuse to "TROLL MODE ON". everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but this doesn't mean that they should have no respect for your own, and also saying that you can be a depressed twist and so on. I didn't say anyone he was an idiot or that he was a deficient or something else. Anyway, I understand your point | ||
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
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Demolicious
Australia38 Posts
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:21 Sergio1992 wrote: in fact trying to murder someone is just different from having murdered him, because they are not even close to comparable. You serious? You really want dragon to fall just because of a couple small, what, 50$ cups? IF its true or w/e? the savior/bw incidents had thousands of dollars in bets behind them. Very illegal activity. My god people are so dramatic over such small things. To think casters think we have a mature community | ||
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pigmanbear
Angola2010 Posts
I think that this is just a good lesson for Katu that you have to be conservative as a caster. This would be far more serious if his comments were directed to a player with a clean past ... but Dragon is about as clean as a broom. Playhem doesn't need to fall on the grenade here and send Dragon to IPL where he'll just lose. Only a handful of fools would use this as a reason to boycott Playhem (and they'd just try and make more trouble anyhow); the Playhem Dailies are already so popular and are very well-done. | ||
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goswser
United States3548 Posts
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CrY.
Japan97 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Dragon An easy click away if you really want to open your eyes. | ||
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:28 Marcus420 wrote: You serious? You really want dragon to fall just because of a couple small, what, 50$ cups? IF its true or w/e? the savior/bw incidents had thousands of dollars in bets behind them. Very illegal activity. My god people are so dramatic over such small things. To think casters think we have a mature community I don't care about how much he stole; from your point of view I could say that if he did that for 50 cups , he would do worse for larger amount of money. It's not being dramatic, it is being realistic. | ||
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valedictory
United States37 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:41 jliu wrote: I don't see anything to suggest that he did stream cheat in this tournament. His past transgression occured quite a while ago and while he didn't get official punishment for it, it's quite a strong and honestly illogical inference to imply that just because he stream cheated once (a while ago) that he's stream cheating in Playhem. That's my only complaint with what Katu said - do you really know? If you don't then keep it to yourself. How can you so assuredly be critical of Katu's "illogical inference," if, in order for you to know it to be true, you must likewise make a something of an "illogical inference?" Katu maintained to have been "trolling," do you really know he wasn't? Perhaps even, trolling was warranted. We don't even know what was said in the chat at that time. Also, how are you assured in your dictum to keep this sort of information to yourself. Though as it turns out, there is protocol for a scenario where one player cheats. Regardless, you haven't given a good reason as to keep information like this to yourself. Nobody has really. It's not obvious to me anything particularly wrong has been done, just something people en masse seemed to not like (of course for some people that is what it means to be wrong, but not for others). Granted, not liking a product is the ideal grounds for not consuming it, however when was the last time a producer apologized for a product consumers did not like? (assuming those products were not purchased under false pretenses etc.). So, I think what most people want to say, at least if they are being honest, is that it was wrong to talk about Dragon in that light. However, all things considered, was it that bad? A caster rustling the feathers of the chat, in a daily tournament for $75 that lasts hours, and is aired starting at an ungodly (at least for me). "Professionalism" is the term used to pick out this specific failing, but no account of why professionalism is necessary in a given case, and to what degree. To do so, we'd have to answer the aforementioned question - all things considered? Otherwise, we'd expect constancy in this burden of professionalism, and if that were the case, we'd know the reaction to Katu is inconsistent with the level expected professionalism across the board. I think if people were to step away from the issue for a bit, they'd be able to see what's really happening. Someone did something a majority did not like, he spoke ill of a celebrity/hero/icon of sorts. Would people be this upset if it were Shuttle Katu was talking about? Or Horror? Perhaps, but I doubt enough to have this kind of effect. The reaction might have been more approximate to warranted consequences (which I also think have been far surpassed just by way of press or attention). Grammar | ||
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HowardRoark
1146 Posts
1. Dragon is on Slayers, right? 2. Dragon isn't known for cheating at all, right? So, this caster just had a meltdown, or were there actually some ill gotten rumors going about Dragon? Rumors of him leaving Slayers? EDIT: Nevermind, I took the time to read the history of Dragon, so now I see that the caster just didn't have a meltdown. | ||
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
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quen
201 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13403 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:36 HowardRoark wrote: I have some questions? 1. Dragon is on Slayers, right? 2. Dragon isn't known for cheating at all, right? So, this caster just had a meltdown, or were there actually some ill gotten rumors going about Dragon? Rumors of him leaving Slayers? He cheated when he was on WeRRa then known as Mio.Werra | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:36 HowardRoark wrote: I have some questions? 1. Dragon is on Slayers, right? 2. Dragon isn't known for cheating at all, right? So, this caster just had a meltdown, or were there actually some ill gotten rumors going about Dragon? Rumors of him leaving Slayers? He left SlayerS a while ago as well. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
How can you so assuredly be critical of Katu's "illogical inference," if, in order for you to know it to be true, you must likewise make a something of an "illogical inference?" Katu maintained to have been "trolling," do you really know he wasn't? Perhaps even, trolling was warranted. We don't even know what was said in the chat at that time. Because people are innocent until proven guilty. The caster had no business in telling us his opinion and claim that someone is cheating. Why would players participate if they take the risk of being criticized uncalled for by the casters? It's called good manners. | ||
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:31 Sergio1992 wrote: I don't care about how much he stole; from your point of view I could say that if he did that for 50 cups , he would do worse for larger amount of money. It's not being dramatic, it is being realistic. People also change and learn from their mistakes. The incident happened so long ago. Stop being so thick-skulled. Put your drama-lama pitchfork away. | ||
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Rmdx
Germany85 Posts
Im not too sure about it but why would ppl lie to me, i didnt checked VoDs or anything because i simply dont care, i dont take those ppl serious. However casters should really think about what they say since they kinda hold some players reputation, atleast a part of it, in their hands. But ye, its probably just day9, tastosis and those really famous casters which would have any real impact on a players reputation with things they say and as we all know theyre just awesome guys with brains. With sc2 as it is i think anyone can call themselve a caster who fluently speak english and the issue it brings is that small hosted cups have some ppl commentating their cups who call themselves Casters and are somewhat of a joke. I dont mean to insult but i just have some things casters did back in my head but ye, i guess nobody cares too much, neither should one. | ||
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