EPTHis past transgression occured quite a while ago and while he didn't get official punishment for it, it's quite a strong and honestly illogical inference to imply that just because he stream cheated once (a while ago) that he's stream cheating in Playhem. That's my only complaint with what Katu said - do you really know? If you don't then keep it to yourself.
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jliu
282 Posts
His past transgression occured quite a while ago and while he didn't get official punishment for it, it's quite a strong and honestly illogical inference to imply that just because he stream cheated once (a while ago) that he's stream cheating in Playhem. That's my only complaint with what Katu said - do you really know? If you don't then keep it to yourself. | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:35 shizna wrote: wtf thats not even close to a good comparison. red cards are not uncommon in football, more comparable to the recent Suarez debacle in the EPL.zinedine zidane, legendary footballer. you probably think he's a criminal because once upon a time he broke the rules, headbutted someone and was punished? | ||
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
"Why would he lag all of a sudden? think about it.. Im not implying anything, just saying" What the hell, ofcourse you are implying something! | ||
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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:17 Mementoss wrote: I don't see anything wrong with what the caster said? Dragon is a known cheater and should quit playing starcraft 2, or start smurfing and not tell anyone his alternate account. This is pretty agressive, I definitely don't agree. He streamcheated once when he was younger which is borderline criminal in korea. If a minor commits a criminal act in the US, France, or anywhere in the Crown (those are the only places i've lived) then they serve a penalty and upon coming of age their record is sealed. I think dragon's served his penalty. | ||
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Sickkiee
Japan607 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Um no. Stream cheating is still completely cheating. Hence the word "cheating" in the term "stream cheating". As stupid as Katu is, don't make light of what Dragon did a long time ago. Do you really hold grudges forever? Not to mention I was actually watching Dragon stream while vsing TSLHyun. He was really lagging, as I'm sure the other 4100 viewers can vouch for it. He was very distressed when losing, hence, it proves that he was not stream cheating (why would someone become stressed when losing a game when they are cheating?). Pathetic really, good job to Playhem for damage control. | ||
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
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Sickkiee
Japan607 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:53 Sergio1992 wrote: actually I agree with him. and in fact talking about the past of a player is not that bad either. I don't know why all this rage toward that caster. And the other one that said "I don't wanna have anything to do with this" has no nuts. What time do you live in? The Stone age? Sure, talking about the past is a legitimate reason of bringing up the subject, but what he said was slanderous and I'm pretty sure if he said that to someone IRL, he'd get sued or assaulted. The other guy was smart to stay out of it. As I am assuming he did not agree with the other guys statements. | ||
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kYem
United Kingdom412 Posts
The fact that he CHEATED cannot be forgotten, so I found his view similar to what i think about him as well. | ||
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:42 Elem wrote: wtf thats not even close to a good comparison. red cards are not uncommon in football, more comparable to the recent Suarez debacle in the EPL. you're entirely wrong. red cards are not uncommon in football, but red cards for intentionally assaulting a member of the opposing team are very uncommon in high profile tournaments. therefore it's a perfect example. yet you think it's more similar to racism.... really? besides, the suaraz debacle was caused by liverpool FC's ignorant defensive stance against the racism claims. not the racism in itself. it's fair to assume that most people who jump on the 'dragon is a cheater' bandwagon think they're entitled to some kind of exclusive club just because they read dragon's liquipedia page and pretend they know everything about everything. chances are you're just a sad and pathetic outcast and find comfort in identifying with the ignorant anti-cheater brigade. | ||
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:55 Sickkiee wrote: What time do you live in? The Stone age? Sure, talking about the past is a legitimate reason of bringing up the subject, but what he said was slanderous and I'm pretty sure if he said that to someone IRL, he'd get sued or assaulted. The other guy was smart to stay out of it. As I am assuming he did not agree with the other guys statements. up to you to have your own opinion. He just talked about Dragon's past. you can think whatever you want, that doesn't mean Dragon wasn't a cheater. "A leopard cannot change its spots" On February 28 2012 22:55 Sickkiee wrote: What time do you live in? The Stone age? Sure, talking about the past is a legitimate reason of bringing up the subject, but what he said was slanderous and I'm pretty sure if he said that to someone IRL, he'd get sued or assaulted. The other guy was smart to stay out of it. As I am assuming he did not agree with the other guys statements. assaulted for what? Where is the slander you are talking about? Did he say "OH SHIT HE OPENED THE STREAM!". no. He just said "well I won't be surprised if that happened" | ||
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ChefTony
United States68 Posts
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:53 Sergio1992 wrote: actually I agree with him. and in fact talking about the past of a player is not that bad either. I don't know why all this rage toward that caster. And the other one that said "I don't wanna have anything to do with this" has no nuts. You really don't know what having balls mean, it would have been much easier for bonk to follow the path of his co-caster since the ball was already rolling, it take some balls to detach yourself like he did. | ||
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Sickkiee
Japan607 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:00 Sergio1992 wrote: up to you to have your own opinion. He just talked about Dragon's past. you can think whatever you want, that doesn't mean Dragon wasn't a cheater. "A leopard cannot change its spots" assaulted for what? Where is the slander you are talking about? Did he say "OH SHIT HE OPENED THE STREAM!". no. He just said "well I won't be surprised if that happened" You think that is 'simply talking about his past'. You need to learn some of your rights and laws mate. "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself; for every man has need to be forgiven." | ||
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:01 FaRess wrote: You really don't know what having balls mean, it would have been much easier for bonk to follow the path of his co-caster since the ball was already rolling, it take some balls to detach yourself like he did. Yeah you are right. he just said "don't count me in", because he was not afraid of the opinion this community and people like you would have. luckily this forum is a democracy  | ||
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Hantak
Chile59 Posts
I had to admit i felt rather ofended with the comments by katu, but i kept watching the stream and well, he did apologize, seems he was actually trolling and fooling around, i guess it all comes down to the fact it was rather unexpected for him to be joking so hard with such a loved player. Hope this gets buried as it shouldnt happen again, as long as casters keep things profesional misunderstanding like this wont happen. Besides he should have made clearer he was joking around because if i didnt kept watching for 20 more minutes i would still be thinking he bm'ed him and called him stream cheater seriously. | ||
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:00 Sergio1992 wrote: up to you to have your own opinion. He just talked about Dragon's past. you can think whatever you want, that doesn't mean Dragon wasn't a cheater. "A leopard cannot change its spots" unfortunately if you believe that phrase, then you'll be a depressing twerp forever. | ||
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:03 Sickkiee wrote: You think that is 'simply talking about his past'. You need to learn some of your rights and laws mate. "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself; for every man has need to be forgiven." up to you if you wanna forgive him. I don't have any power over sc2 esports, so please let me have my opinion | ||
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:05 shizna wrote: unfortunately if you believe that phrase, then you'll be a depressing twerp forever. actually that phrase according to my opinion, summarises the whole world behaviour. Happy for you if this phrase has not the same relevance as the one in my (own, little) world. | ||
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Sickkiee
Japan607 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:05 Sergio1992 wrote: up to you if you wanna forgive him. I don't have any power over sc2 esports, so please let me have my opinion I'm pretty sure most people have forgiven him. Everyone has made mistakes, and people must learn from them. Have you ever committed a crime? Done a mistake so bad that you needed someone to forgive you? Then you can relate to Dragon. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:50 TemujinGK wrote: This is pretty agressive, I definitely don't agree. He streamcheated once when he was younger which is borderline criminal in korea. If a minor commits a criminal act in the US, France, or anywhere in the Crown (those are the only places i've lived) then they serve a penalty and upon coming of age their record is sealed. I think dragon's served his penalty. I think Dragon's youth plays a big part here, how old could he have been? 16? Katu on the other hand, appears to be in his mid thirties, and should know better. | ||
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