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jliu
Profile Joined March 2011
282 Posts
February 28 2012 13:41 GMT
#161
I don't see anything to suggest that he did stream cheat in this tournament.
His past transgression occured quite a while ago and while he didn't get official punishment for it, it's quite a strong and honestly illogical inference to imply that just because he stream cheated once (a while ago) that he's stream cheating in Playhem. That's my only complaint with what Katu said - do you really know? If you don't then keep it to yourself.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
February 28 2012 13:42 GMT
#162
On February 28 2012 22:35 shizna wrote:


zinedine zidane, legendary footballer. you probably think he's a criminal because once upon a time he broke the rules, headbutted someone and was punished?
wtf thats not even close to a good comparison. red cards are not uncommon in football, more comparable to the recent Suarez debacle in the EPL.
#freeshauni
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
February 28 2012 13:47 GMT
#163
Mentioning streamcheating and then:

"Why would he lag all of a sudden? think about it.. Im not implying anything, just saying"

What the hell, ofcourse you are implying something!
월요 날 재미있
TemujinGK
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States483 Posts
February 28 2012 13:50 GMT
#164
On February 28 2012 22:17 Mementoss wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with what the caster said? Dragon is a known cheater and should quit playing starcraft 2, or start smurfing and not tell anyone his alternate account.



This is pretty agressive, I definitely don't agree. He streamcheated once when he was younger which is borderline criminal in korea. If a minor commits a criminal act in the US, France, or anywhere in the Crown (those are the only places i've lived) then they serve a penalty and upon coming of age their record is sealed. I think dragon's served his penalty.
"Pikachu and Protoss are both yellow, Coincidence?" ~apexMorroW
Sickkiee
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Japan607 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 13:54:13
February 28 2012 13:52 GMT
#165
On February 28 2012 22:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 22:25 shizna wrote:
On February 28 2012 22:22 Elem wrote:
On February 28 2012 22:05 Hypemeup wrote:
On February 28 2012 22:02 DrAbuse wrote:
On February 28 2012 21:56 Jehct wrote:
This whole drama seems incredibly fucking stupid. Imagine if the same thing happened to CombatEX - would people want the caster blacklisted and CombatEX at IPL too? Shit, he has fans too!


A very good comparison. People just dont know about Dragons history.



TT1, Haypro or Dimaga(Prolly the biggest fan favorite) are names you should compare dragon with rather then combat rofl.
LOL, captain clueless to the rescue~

TT1 is the only legit example there. He admitted it and everyone knows.

DIMAGA didn't stream cheat or hack, he was abusing the ladder to get into the top 16 of the TSL2 qualifier.

HayprO was one of several players who had left Oblivion on. He isn't the only case. And he was let back into his team later, so obviously they trusted him.


stream cheating is hardly 'cheating'.

if the event is being streamed live, you can assume that pretty much anyone who has a build order win is stream cheating.

i'm not saying it was right, but i'm saying that for an event to be serious you have to delay the stream by sufficient time to prevent stream cheating.

stream cheating is merely exploiting a bad tournament format.


Um no. Stream cheating is still completely cheating. Hence the word "cheating" in the term "stream cheating". As stupid as Katu is, don't make light of what Dragon did a long time ago.


Do you really hold grudges forever?

Not to mention I was actually watching Dragon stream while vsing TSLHyun. He was really lagging, as I'm sure the other 4100 viewers can vouch for it. He was very distressed when losing, hence, it proves that he was not stream cheating (why would someone become stressed when losing a game when they are cheating?).

Pathetic really, good job to Playhem for damage control.
Lifes too short to be small.
Sergio1992
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Italy522 Posts
February 28 2012 13:53 GMT
#166
actually I agree with him. and in fact talking about the past of a player is not that bad either. I don't know why all this rage toward that caster. And the other one that said "I don't wanna have anything to do with this" has no nuts.
Sickkiee
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Japan607 Posts
February 28 2012 13:55 GMT
#167
On February 28 2012 22:53 Sergio1992 wrote:
actually I agree with him. and in fact talking about the past of a player is not that bad either. I don't know why all this rage toward that caster. And the other one that said "I don't wanna have anything to do with this" has no nuts.


What time do you live in? The Stone age? Sure, talking about the past is a legitimate reason of bringing up the subject, but what he said was slanderous and I'm pretty sure if he said that to someone IRL, he'd get sued or assaulted. The other guy was smart to stay out of it. As I am assuming he did not agree with the other guys statements.

Lifes too short to be small.
kYem
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom412 Posts
February 28 2012 13:57 GMT
#168
Well I don't like dragon at all coz of all his really bad attitude agains othe players in term of play, making fun of them etc...

The fact that he CHEATED cannot be forgotten, so I found his view similar to what i think about him as well.

Hell
shizna
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom803 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 14:02:31
February 28 2012 13:59 GMT
#169
On February 28 2012 22:42 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 22:35 shizna wrote:


zinedine zidane, legendary footballer. you probably think he's a criminal because once upon a time he broke the rules, headbutted someone and was punished?
wtf thats not even close to a good comparison. red cards are not uncommon in football, more comparable to the recent Suarez debacle in the EPL.


you're entirely wrong.

red cards are not uncommon in football, but red cards for intentionally assaulting a member of the opposing team are very uncommon in high profile tournaments. therefore it's a perfect example.

yet you think it's more similar to racism.... really? besides, the suaraz debacle was caused by liverpool FC's ignorant defensive stance against the racism claims. not the racism in itself.


it's fair to assume that most people who jump on the 'dragon is a cheater' bandwagon think they're entitled to some kind of exclusive club just because they read dragon's liquipedia page and pretend they know everything about everything. chances are you're just a sad and pathetic outcast and find comfort in identifying with the ignorant anti-cheater brigade.
Sergio1992
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Italy522 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 14:02:11
February 28 2012 14:00 GMT
#170
On February 28 2012 22:55 Sickkiee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 22:53 Sergio1992 wrote:
actually I agree with him. and in fact talking about the past of a player is not that bad either. I don't know why all this rage toward that caster. And the other one that said "I don't wanna have anything to do with this" has no nuts.


What time do you live in? The Stone age? Sure, talking about the past is a legitimate reason of bringing up the subject, but what he said was slanderous and I'm pretty sure if he said that to someone IRL, he'd get sued or assaulted. The other guy was smart to stay out of it. As I am assuming he did not agree with the other guys statements.


up to you to have your own opinion. He just talked about Dragon's past. you can think whatever you want, that doesn't mean Dragon wasn't a cheater.

"A leopard cannot change its spots"

On February 28 2012 22:55 Sickkiee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 22:53 Sergio1992 wrote:
actually I agree with him. and in fact talking about the past of a player is not that bad either. I don't know why all this rage toward that caster. And the other one that said "I don't wanna have anything to do with this" has no nuts.


What time do you live in? The Stone age? Sure, talking about the past is a legitimate reason of bringing up the subject, but what he said was slanderous and I'm pretty sure if he said that to someone IRL, he'd get sued or assaulted. The other guy was smart to stay out of it. As I am assuming he did not agree with the other guys statements.


assaulted for what? Where is the slander you are talking about? Did he say "OH SHIT HE OPENED THE STREAM!". no. He just said "well I won't be surprised if that happened"

ChefTony
Profile Joined March 2011
United States68 Posts
February 28 2012 14:01 GMT
#171
Wow I just watched the stream I really can't believe people are making a big deal about that I mean the guy did get caught stream cheating before Katu made a comment and then apologized for it and now Dragon gets to go to IPL 4. winning and no harm done.
FaRess
Profile Joined September 2010
Tunisia937 Posts
February 28 2012 14:01 GMT
#172
On February 28 2012 22:53 Sergio1992 wrote:
actually I agree with him. and in fact talking about the past of a player is not that bad either. I don't know why all this rage toward that caster. And the other one that said "I don't wanna have anything to do with this" has no nuts.


You really don't know what having balls mean, it would have been much easier for bonk to follow the path of his co-caster since the ball was already rolling, it take some balls to detach yourself like he did.
YoloStar <3
Sickkiee
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Japan607 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 14:04:09
February 28 2012 14:03 GMT
#173
On February 28 2012 23:00 Sergio1992 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 22:55 Sickkiee wrote:
On February 28 2012 22:53 Sergio1992 wrote:
actually I agree with him. and in fact talking about the past of a player is not that bad either. I don't know why all this rage toward that caster. And the other one that said "I don't wanna have anything to do with this" has no nuts.


What time do you live in? The Stone age? Sure, talking about the past is a legitimate reason of bringing up the subject, but what he said was slanderous and I'm pretty sure if he said that to someone IRL, he'd get sued or assaulted. The other guy was smart to stay out of it. As I am assuming he did not agree with the other guys statements.


up to you to have your own opinion. He just talked about Dragon's past. you can think whatever you want, that doesn't mean Dragon wasn't a cheater.

"A leopard cannot change its spots"

Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 22:55 Sickkiee wrote:
On February 28 2012 22:53 Sergio1992 wrote:
actually I agree with him. and in fact talking about the past of a player is not that bad either. I don't know why all this rage toward that caster. And the other one that said "I don't wanna have anything to do with this" has no nuts.


What time do you live in? The Stone age? Sure, talking about the past is a legitimate reason of bringing up the subject, but what he said was slanderous and I'm pretty sure if he said that to someone IRL, he'd get sued or assaulted. The other guy was smart to stay out of it. As I am assuming he did not agree with the other guys statements.


assaulted for what? Where is the slander you are talking about? Did he say "OH SHIT HE OPENED THE STREAM!". no. He just said "well I won't be surprised if that happened"




You think that is 'simply talking about his past'. You need to learn some of your rights and laws mate.

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself; for every man has need to be forgiven."


Lifes too short to be small.
Sergio1992
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Italy522 Posts
February 28 2012 14:04 GMT
#174
On February 28 2012 23:01 FaRess wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 22:53 Sergio1992 wrote:
actually I agree with him. and in fact talking about the past of a player is not that bad either. I don't know why all this rage toward that caster. And the other one that said "I don't wanna have anything to do with this" has no nuts.


You really don't know what having balls mean, it would have been much easier for bonk to follow the path of his co-caster since the ball was already rolling, it take some balls to detach yourself like he did.

Yeah you are right. he just said "don't count me in", because he was not afraid of the opinion this community and people like you would have. luckily this forum is a democracy
Hantak
Profile Joined April 2011
Chile59 Posts
February 28 2012 14:04 GMT
#175
Well, it was rather offensive, as a Dragon fan i love seen him playing, hes very creative, has loads of skill and more importantly has fun while playing and watching him play is very encouraging.
I had to admit i felt rather ofended with the comments by katu, but i kept watching the stream and well, he did apologize, seems he was actually trolling and fooling around, i guess it all comes down to the fact it was rather unexpected for him to be joking so hard with such a loved player.
Hope this gets buried as it shouldnt happen again, as long as casters keep things profesional misunderstanding like this wont happen. Besides he should have made clearer he was joking around because if i didnt kept watching for 20 more minutes i would still be thinking he bm'ed him and called him stream cheater seriously.
It's getting too hot.
shizna
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom803 Posts
February 28 2012 14:05 GMT
#176
On February 28 2012 23:00 Sergio1992 wrote:
up to you to have your own opinion. He just talked about Dragon's past. you can think whatever you want, that doesn't mean Dragon wasn't a cheater.

"A leopard cannot change its spots"


unfortunately if you believe that phrase, then you'll be a depressing twerp forever.
Sergio1992
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Italy522 Posts
February 28 2012 14:05 GMT
#177
On February 28 2012 23:03 Sickkiee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 23:00 Sergio1992 wrote:
On February 28 2012 22:55 Sickkiee wrote:
On February 28 2012 22:53 Sergio1992 wrote:
actually I agree with him. and in fact talking about the past of a player is not that bad either. I don't know why all this rage toward that caster. And the other one that said "I don't wanna have anything to do with this" has no nuts.


What time do you live in? The Stone age? Sure, talking about the past is a legitimate reason of bringing up the subject, but what he said was slanderous and I'm pretty sure if he said that to someone IRL, he'd get sued or assaulted. The other guy was smart to stay out of it. As I am assuming he did not agree with the other guys statements.


up to you to have your own opinion. He just talked about Dragon's past. you can think whatever you want, that doesn't mean Dragon wasn't a cheater.

"A leopard cannot change its spots"

On February 28 2012 22:55 Sickkiee wrote:
On February 28 2012 22:53 Sergio1992 wrote:
actually I agree with him. and in fact talking about the past of a player is not that bad either. I don't know why all this rage toward that caster. And the other one that said "I don't wanna have anything to do with this" has no nuts.


What time do you live in? The Stone age? Sure, talking about the past is a legitimate reason of bringing up the subject, but what he said was slanderous and I'm pretty sure if he said that to someone IRL, he'd get sued or assaulted. The other guy was smart to stay out of it. As I am assuming he did not agree with the other guys statements.


assaulted for what? Where is the slander you are talking about? Did he say "OH SHIT HE OPENED THE STREAM!". no. He just said "well I won't be surprised if that happened"




You think that is 'simply talking about his past'. You need to learn some of your rights and laws mate.

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself; for every man has need to be forgiven."



up to you if you wanna forgive him. I don't have any power over sc2 esports, so please let me have my opinion
Sergio1992
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Italy522 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 14:06:53
February 28 2012 14:06 GMT
#178
On February 28 2012 23:05 shizna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 23:00 Sergio1992 wrote:
up to you to have your own opinion. He just talked about Dragon's past. you can think whatever you want, that doesn't mean Dragon wasn't a cheater.

"A leopard cannot change its spots"


unfortunately if you believe that phrase, then you'll be a depressing twerp forever.

actually that phrase according to my opinion, summarises the whole world behaviour. Happy for you if this phrase has not the same relevance as the one in my (own, little) world.
Sickkiee
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Japan607 Posts
February 28 2012 14:08 GMT
#179
On February 28 2012 23:05 Sergio1992 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 23:03 Sickkiee wrote:
On February 28 2012 23:00 Sergio1992 wrote:
On February 28 2012 22:55 Sickkiee wrote:
On February 28 2012 22:53 Sergio1992 wrote:
actually I agree with him. and in fact talking about the past of a player is not that bad either. I don't know why all this rage toward that caster. And the other one that said "I don't wanna have anything to do with this" has no nuts.


What time do you live in? The Stone age? Sure, talking about the past is a legitimate reason of bringing up the subject, but what he said was slanderous and I'm pretty sure if he said that to someone IRL, he'd get sued or assaulted. The other guy was smart to stay out of it. As I am assuming he did not agree with the other guys statements.


up to you to have your own opinion. He just talked about Dragon's past. you can think whatever you want, that doesn't mean Dragon wasn't a cheater.

"A leopard cannot change its spots"

On February 28 2012 22:55 Sickkiee wrote:
On February 28 2012 22:53 Sergio1992 wrote:
actually I agree with him. and in fact talking about the past of a player is not that bad either. I don't know why all this rage toward that caster. And the other one that said "I don't wanna have anything to do with this" has no nuts.


What time do you live in? The Stone age? Sure, talking about the past is a legitimate reason of bringing up the subject, but what he said was slanderous and I'm pretty sure if he said that to someone IRL, he'd get sued or assaulted. The other guy was smart to stay out of it. As I am assuming he did not agree with the other guys statements.


assaulted for what? Where is the slander you are talking about? Did he say "OH SHIT HE OPENED THE STREAM!". no. He just said "well I won't be surprised if that happened"




You think that is 'simply talking about his past'. You need to learn some of your rights and laws mate.

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself; for every man has need to be forgiven."



up to you if you wanna forgive him. I don't have any power over sc2 esports, so please let me have my opinion


I'm pretty sure most people have forgiven him. Everyone has made mistakes, and people must learn from them.

Have you ever committed a crime? Done a mistake so bad that you needed someone to forgive you? Then you can relate to Dragon.

Lifes too short to be small.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
February 28 2012 14:09 GMT
#180
On February 28 2012 22:50 TemujinGK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 22:17 Mementoss wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with what the caster said? Dragon is a known cheater and should quit playing starcraft 2, or start smurfing and not tell anyone his alternate account.



This is pretty agressive, I definitely don't agree. He streamcheated once when he was younger which is borderline criminal in korea. If a minor commits a criminal act in the US, France, or anywhere in the Crown (those are the only places i've lived) then they serve a penalty and upon coming of age their record is sealed. I think dragon's served his penalty.


I think Dragon's youth plays a big part here, how old could he have been? 16?

Katu on the other hand, appears to be in his mid thirties, and should know better.
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