EPTPLayhem TV Disgrace Katu - Page 10
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:08 Sickkiee wrote: I'm pretty sure most people have forgiven him. Everyone has made mistakes, and people must learn from them. Have you ever committed a crime? Done a mistake so bad that you needed someone to forgive you? Then you can relate to Dragon. ok, when this entire community will have the same opinion that they got for dragon toward Combatex, you can start to talk once again  | ||
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ETisME
12490 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:00 Sergio1992 wrote: up to you to have your own opinion. He just talked about Dragon's past. you can think whatever you want, that doesn't mean Dragon wasn't a cheater. "A leopard cannot change its spots" assaulted for what? Where is the slander you are talking about? Did he say "OH SHIT HE OPENED THE STREAM!". no. He just said "well I won't be surprised if that happened" You should watch it again and listen to what he has said. IF it was only about dragon stream cheat before, then yea, that's fine. But not only did he said dragon was possibly stream cheating IN THAT MATCH, but also said some very wrong statement about Dragon. That is down to earth disrespectful and spreading false information. You think that's fine? That is literally accusing Dragon in front of thousands of people who were watching the match and you think that would should be left unpunished? | ||
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Strike_
Netherlands704 Posts
I liked him casting KSL though. | ||
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:09 Zorkmid wrote: I think Dragon's youth plays a big part here, how old could he have been? 16? Katu on the other hand, appears to be in his mid thirties, and should know better. when someone makes a crime , everyone will try to justify him. | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:59 shizna wrote: It is more in the sense that racism in football is as much of a no-no as stream cheating in sc2. It's a rough comparison obviously but its closer to that than a red card.you're entirely wrong. red cards are not uncommon in football, but red cards for intentionally assaulting a member of the opposing team are very uncommon in high profile tournaments. therefore it's a perfect example. yet you think it's more similar to racism.... really? besides, the suaraz debacle was caused by liverpool FC's ignorant defensive stance against the racism claims. not the racism in itself. it's fair to assume that most people who jump on the 'dragon is a cheater' bandwagon think they're entitled to some kind of exclusive club just because they read dragon's liquipedia page and pretend they know everything about everything. chances are you're just a sad and pathetic outcast and find comfort in identifying with the ignorant anti-cheater brigade. Stay classy with the relentless insults, btw. | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:09 Zorkmid wrote: I think Dragon's youth plays a big part here, how old could he have been? 16? Katu on the other hand, appears to be in his mid thirties, and should know better. He was 20 at the absolute youngest (not sure of when the event took place, but he's 22 now). | ||
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CrY.
Japan97 Posts
Katu should be fired, because he clearly got in over his head but had many chances to stop. Even if he had said what he said at first, he could have just cut his losses instead of droning on and on. And Dragon should move on from the community, like all cheaters should imho. Cheating is seldom "spur of the moment", it's rationalized and planned and thought out, then if they get caught, people want to turn the other cheek? Forgive and forget? The ONLY thing tying together the competition of online games is the vanguard of ethics we like to pretend people have. And when those principles are sacrificed for $$$ and greed, there is NO concept of "fair" competition. You have sacrificed your own integrity, and the faith people put in you as a competitor to be honest, fair, and respectful TO THE ETHICS OF THE GAME. Even if you BM the shit out of your opponent, if you didn't cheat you are an honorable competitor. Even if Dragon is polite and nice, he does not value the spirit that glues this game together. If the community had no trust in the players there would be a FARCE competition. I wish I could be as wide-eyed as some of you. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:35 shizna wrote: juan has done worse about a billion times, and he's still respected amongst the foreign pro player networks (even though there is a bulky bandwagon of haters). lastshadow is another. they don't deserve to be ostracised just because of immaturity. they're good players, and they've rightly earned a lot of respect from other top level players for their skill and ability - which is how we should recognise these players... presumably it's a game measured in skill and ability, not eternal honesty, maturity and being a good sport. zinedine zidane, legendary footballer. you probably think he's a criminal because once upon a time he broke the rules, headbutted someone and was punished? Done worse? When has Juan ever cheated in a tournament? And the foreign pro community hates/hated LS =/ Edit: fuck, meant to edit this into my last post, too late now =( | ||
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Sickkiee
Japan607 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:13 CrY. wrote: No sympathy from either. Dragon DID cheat..not once...multiple times! For a $$$ tourneys! Not even that long ago! We aren't talking about bw..we are speaking of sc2 (unlike most community cheaters known from bw, lastshadow, tt1). Sure dragon is a crowd pleaser but if you cannot read for yourself and see that Dragon is not a good person and have no respect for the ethics of being a good sport and a true competitor. SaviOr got no sympathy and he was 10x the player of dragon! I realize this is not the highest echelons of a national phenomenon, but certainly everyone here condoning and "forgiving" a player who doesn't give a shit about YOU personally (as proven by his blatantly disrespect for his "peers" by CHEATING MULTIPLE times) is just as disgusting as the behavior of a "professional" caster. Please source your statements. | ||
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:12 ETisME wrote: You should watch it again and listen to what he has said. IF it was only about dragon stream cheat before, then yea, that's fine. But not only did he said dragon was possibly stream cheating IN THAT MATCH, but also said some very wrong statement about Dragon. That is down to earth disrespectful and spreading false information. You think that's fine? That is literally accusing Dragon in front of thousands of people who were watching the match and you think that would should be left unpunished? what were the false informations? | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:50 TemujinGK wrote: This is pretty agressive, I definitely don't agree. He streamcheated once when he was younger which is borderline criminal in korea. If a minor commits a criminal act in the US, France, or anywhere in the Crown (those are the only places i've lived) then they serve a penalty and upon coming of age their record is sealed. I think dragon's served his penalty. How long was he out for... a year or so? Maybe less? Progamers with the matchfixing scandal from BW are banned for life. Players who cheated in TSL2's qualification stage took heavy bans, including TSL3 and a year of other TL related events. This includes some big names from BW, some who carried over to SC2 - Dimaga is the big one that stands out. The policy put in place after that faced up to 18 months + the next two TSLs. Other players in and out of Korea have faced harsh treatment after they sullied their reputations. This kid didn't "serve his penalty," not even in the slightest. | ||
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BamBam
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
Using a smurf account, Seo Yeon Ji, Dragon participated in various online tournaments. In particular, he participated in A1 KotH where he finished 1st in September 2010’s overall ranking. Based on this result, he was invited to play in A1 Starcraft2 Tournament #2 which invited top 6 players from KotH and 2 other players. [Liquipedia http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Dragon ] Implies he cheated enough times in a KOTH, presumably with prizes, to score the #1 ranking one month, and that he then streamcheated in the first round of that tournament before getting caught. Edit: What the fuck, I swear this was an edit =/ | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:18 Energizer wrote: Its a good thing people have a good sense of sarcasm, otherwise we might have threads popping up because someone took what they said seriously, even if it were based on fact. And if that were to happen it would mean that the SC2 forum of TL is really reddit where we can make drama from anything... Yeah this kind of reminds me when a while ago someone made a thread about being really really upset about Destiny saying some stuff about LoL. | ||
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:17 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: How long was he out for... a year or so? Maybe less? Progamers with the matchfixing scandal from BW are banned for life. Players who cheated in TSL2's qualification stage took heavy bans, including TSL3 and a year of other TL related events. This includes some big names from BW, some who carried over to SC2 - Dimaga is the big one that stands out. The policy put in place after that faced up to 18 months + the next two TSLs. Other players in and out of Korea have faced harsh treatment after they sullied their reputations. This kid didn't "serve his penalty," not even in the slightest. if these people had the balls to believe what they say they would open a topic about combatex and asking about his integration on the community. At least Combatex didn't hack on a tournament, he just streamcheated , but not for money, for fame. | ||
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HyDrA_solic
Portugal491 Posts
He made the fac tech lab, or to swap later to the rax, or because he read Hyun. Maybe if I say Katu is caster because He sucks at playing this game, Hey I'm not Implying anything, but Troll much is troll much.. -.-«' | ||
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:17 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: How long was he out for... a year or so? Maybe less? Progamers with the matchfixing scandal from BW are banned for life. Players who cheated in TSL2's qualification stage took heavy bans, including TSL3 and a year of other TL related events. This includes some big names from BW, some who carried over to SC2 - Dimaga is the big one that stands out. The policy put in place after that faced up to 18 months + the next two TSLs. Other players in and out of Korea have faced harsh treatment after they sullied their reputations. This kid didn't "serve his penalty," not even in the slightest. The match fixing scandal is on a wholly different level than mere stream cheating. The two are not even close to comparable. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
On February 28 2012 23:19 Sergio1992 wrote: TROLL MODE ON: NO YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE HE DESERVES REDEMPTION !!! EVERYONE NEEDS A SECOND CHANCE! YOU MONSTER!! YOU MONSTER YOU DON?T HAVE ANY CLUE ABOUT REAL LIFE! You sir, just made a huge idiot out of yourself. It's okay to have different beliefs and views but don't shit on other peoples views like that please. | ||
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