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Thorantham
United States221 Posts
On February 25 2012 04:07 Zephirdd wrote: funny how all of this would be fixed if MLG provided a free 240p stream as well. I'm not sure that would fix it. It wouldn't help MLG, they need revenue or they need to fail. It's time to find out what eSports in the US is really going to be. | ||
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Polygamy
Austria1114 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On February 25 2012 04:12 Thorantham wrote: I'm not sure that would fix it. It wouldn't help MLG, they need revenue or they need to fail. It's time to find out what eSports in the US is really going to be. tbh 240p is so horrible that if you don't buy the HQ you wouldn't have bought it being PPV either. It would just leave MLG with a link on the sidebar and I know people that just didn't buy the ticket because there is no free-stream option. | ||
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Polygamy
Austria1114 Posts
On February 25 2012 04:12 Thorantham wrote: I'm not sure that would fix it. It wouldn't help MLG, they need revenue or they need to fail. It's time to find out what eSports in the US is really going to be. I don't think that $20 for one weekend is a good model to use if you want to find that out. | ||
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Swampsteel
United States94 Posts
edit: forgot to say: rants can criticize and can get heated without being condescending or rude | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 25 2012 04:07 Spectralx wrote: hmm well no, artosis, Tasteless, said TL,TL,TL all day since BW. TL is amazing, but they are not Innocent from using their weight because if your not seen here people cant find you. i have more i would love to say, but im a quadriplegic and this is a wait of my time, i just wanted my 2 cents. That's because TL was the only real site to put in that extra effort and time to really form a proper site for BW and they're upping the quality since for SC2. There are plenty of ways for people to see you outside of TL: reddit, twitch.tv, wellplayed.org, etc. It's not Team Liquid's fault that a lot of people create a dependency on it in order to publicize themselves and Team Liquid isn't a stairwell for everyone to use at their discretion (including vVv). | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 25 2012 04:10 Idra4Lyfe wrote: O really eh? How does he not know what he is talking about? and FYI a monopoly is a monopoly by consequence or by purpose... and guarantee someone will say... "why are you talking with only 1 post" and I will simply say because this is where life in TL for me starts. Now lets relax and get back to the real truth, Torte Spectral did not say much in his post, mainly quoting and pointing out the obvious. Equality > Favoritism and why have many other people not been banned yet? they do not think before they post and obviously have not followed the rule of reading the commandments... 2 commandments broken... Just saying -Idra FAN FOR LIFE Use the report function if you truly feel there's a bias in moderation. | ||
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sycophant
6 Posts
On February 25 2012 04:07 Spectralx wrote: hmm well no, artosis, Tasteless, said TL,TL,TL all day since BW. TL is amazing, but they are not Innocent from using their weight because if your not seen here people cant find you. i have more i would love to say, but im a quadriplegic and this is a wait of my time, i just wanted my 2 cents. this good argumentation method is made, because i very agree with this why can u argue with quartplegic? thank you SpectralX for typing here even thou ur quartplagiec. i also belief your strategy is good as zulu nation 8. | ||
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Calyeah
United Kingdom32 Posts
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Spectralx
United States198 Posts
this good argumentation method is made, because i very agree with this why can u argue with quartplegic? thank you SpectralX for typing here even thou ur quartplagiec. i also belief your strategy is good as zulu nation 8. Ty,it is hard to type being a *Quadriplegic* <3 | ||
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Idra4Lyfe
United States10 Posts
On February 25 2012 04:27 Calyeah wrote: Fully respect the decision and why you made it, if MLG want to become a true business then they will have to accept being treated like one. If TL asked for too much money and MLG didn't want to pay then fine, MLG asked for too much money for their weekend stream IMO so I don't pay. Also find it pretty cringe worthy the way the vVv guys flock into the thread and act like they are doing, we all know you getting paid is tied up into how successful this experiment of MLGs is, but there is no need for this flooding of the thread and the sometimes aggressive manner of posting. Go use other forms of advertising the stream, maybe then you can lessen your reliance on TL if you find it biased or too much of a monopoly. I disagree with the TL decision to not put the event on the calendar... they could have easily put the event on the calendar without a clickable link to the stream, because you had to pay, that way people who wanted to watch the event must actually go to the MLG site itself and not be lazy just to click from TL site. Easiest fix in the world. | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
On February 25 2012 03:52 Spectralx wrote: Well People Like Artosis are allowed to brake the rules? + Show Spoiler + this is my PM convo "Nothing personal against you but there are two core reasons: 1. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883#cmd06 6. THOU SHALL RESPECT FORUM VETERANS All other things being equal, we will give preferential treatment to site members who have been with us longer (as reflected in their post count + length of time with us as a registered member). It's a simple recognition of the quality of these people. Longevity and contribution are prized commodities around here. In a similar vein, "known" pro/semi-pro players will also be treated with deference (yes, quite a few hang out here). Don't complain - these guys have earned it. 2. When Artosis puts up a video it's usually something completely different from what he's done previously. In addition to that, his threads are massively popular (tens of thousands of views and thousands of replies in a very short timespan) and content would easily get lost if he had a single thread. Original Message From Spectralx: i saw tyhat artossis posted a video called im ballenced..... dose he not have a thread? i feel discriminated against dude.,.. just because hes the 41 most watched PERSON not caster but all of u tube. he should not be posting in genral because he gets money from adds . so it a no brainer to abuse the grenral fourms. no with that being said, i have a very abnormal video i wanna advetz. so can i make a new thread? i achived gold league." - Excalibur_Z so this part from the first post is a conditioning.. "This is advertising but it's also fine, it is relevant and useful to a lot of people who view TL. But if a user or organization makes a post about their YouTube or Twitter, the balance is skewed far in favor of advertising for the organization over the utility gained by TeamLiquid users. " Hot_Bid .... so TL is a monopoly and they are trying to keep it that way protecting special interests. it sucks TL kisses whoever's ass kisses theirs. You are comparing Artosis to MLG, okay, maybe he'd be flattered. If you can't see the difference I'm not sure it's worth discussing it with you, btw Handsome Nerd threads get closed. | ||
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Calyeah
United Kingdom32 Posts
I disagree with the TL decision to not put the event on the calendar... they could have easily put the event on the calendar without a clickable link to the stream, because you had to pay, that way people who wanted to watch the event must actually go to the MLG site itself and not be lazy just to click from TL site. Easiest fix in the world. Yeah they *could* do that, but they don't have to, and I'm pretty sure they aren't doing it just to be dicks. But it is also showing that if MLG turn some events into PPV, then they will have to pay for advertising just like any other PPV event in the world has to. Free streams you can put up on the calendar with the justification that everyone can watch it, and it helps give exposure to events that are relying on in stream advertising. But putting this event on the calendar would just be drawing attention to an event that is asking people to put $20 forward to watch anything at all minus some behind the scenes stuff. I really don't see the justification for putting it up on the calendar for free, with or without a link. | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
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Idra4Lyfe
United States10 Posts
On February 25 2012 04:39 Calyeah wrote: Yeah they *could* do that, but they don't have to, and I'm pretty sure they aren't doing it just to be dicks. But it is also showing that if MLG turn some events into PPV, then they will have to pay for advertising just like any other PPV event in the world has to. Free streams you can put up on the calendar with the justification that everyone can watch it, and it helps give exposure to events that are relying on in stream advertising. But putting this event on the calendar would just be drawing attention to an event that is asking people to put $20 forward to watch anything at all minus some behind the scenes stuff. I really don't see the justification for putting it up on the calendar for free, with or without a link. The Justification is to help the members for TL know where events are going to be played... Put all the bull shit aside and figure out the only thing you are hindering is the members of this site... What other PPV streams have had to pay for the calendar spot? and why would anyone pay for a calendar spot. That is simply a reminder of an event that is happening not a direct advertisement for MLG or any other league. To pay for advertisement is one thing but to pay for a spot on a calendar is another. I have no problem with asking MLG for advertisement money if MLG was asking to be placed on the site with a banner or logo or anything like that. But to say we want money to put you on our calendar... come on. Let's use our brains, the calendar does not have any logos and is simply reminders for people that an event is happening on a certain day. Advertisement money is spent on advertising, ESPN does not ask MLB for money to advertise sporting events, and I am not comparing TL and MLG to ESPN and MLB just merely stating an example from another related area. | ||
Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
On February 25 2012 04:43 SugarBear wrote: I know that most of you are trolling and don't actually care, but part of the reason it seems that vVv sticks together is because we actually know and play games with each other regularly. This is opposed to the average TL member who gets on an Internet forum where he most likely doesn't know or play with anyone. This thread isn't about vVv. Please keep your discussion to any of these threads: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=vvv Thank you. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Idra4Lyfe
United States10 Posts
On February 25 2012 04:46 Torte de Lini wrote: Do you regularly talk out of your ass like this? It's one thing to boost your team's methods or ways of creating credibility, it's another to make a sweeping generalization about every single TL member that degrades them. Do you always degrade the audience of a public forum before trying to prove how much better you are? To be fair you probably should PM him rather than fire back on a forum since you are one who is a higher up in this forum. Just my thought though. I would like to formally report both of you for not thinking before you post | ||
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Calyeah
United Kingdom32 Posts
On February 25 2012 04:43 SugarBear wrote: I know that most of you are trolling and don't actually care, but part of the reason it seems that vVv sticks together is because we actually know and play games with each other regularly. This is opposed to the average TL member who gets on an Internet forum where he most likely doesn't know or play with anyone. Most of us are trolling? How is anyone trolling here? This post is another example of why people are pointing out what you are doing is ridiculous, your "leader" or whatever you want to call him comes on this thread spouting out random numbers about how much TL asked for, gets banned and now the rest of you are making posts like this calling all of us trolls because we disagree with you? Sticking together is fine, but there is a way to do it and this sure aint one of them. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 25 2012 04:49 Idra4Lyfe wrote: To be fair you probably should PM him rather than fire back on a forum since you are one who is a higher up in this forum. Just my thought though. I would like to formally report both of you for not thinking before you post Yeah, sorry. I didn't see Chill's post until I posted, I'll remove it thanks. I'm equal to SugarBear on these forums, we're all the same. | ||
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