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farvacola
United States18835 Posts
On February 25 2012 02:49 OTIX wrote: It's not a new policy, TL didn't promote the GOM Arena of Legends either since there was no free stream. That's a lie, the AOL was listed on the right just like everything else. Revisionist history at work yet again. I'm just excited for the arena to begin! | ||
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Thorantham
United States221 Posts
On February 25 2012 02:47 FryBender wrote: Honestly why does it matter what the amount was? Who cares if it was a million dollars or a 100 dollars.TL felt like they could provide a service for MLG and asked for what I'm sure was their fair assessment for what they felt that service was worth. MLG didn't feel like it was worth it to spend the money on what TL was offering, hence just a rejection and no negotiations. That's it. There are no bad guys here and form what it looks like it really does not seem like there is any bad blood anywhere except with vVv trying to create extra drama just so that their name is out there. How is it any of our business what the internal dealings of two business organizations are? We're lucky HB told us about any of the process so we get an inside look at how the industry is functioning. But honestly this is why you don't ask a butcher how sausage is made. Just be happy with the end product. It matters a great deal if you are truly interested in how the industry is functioning. More importantly TL is making a big point of stating that they offer a reasonable alternative - as are many of the supporters here. Let's see. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On February 25 2012 02:52 d9mmdi wrote: I am not convinced by the reasons, at least it could be listed for information purposes without a direct link. Its a business decision by TL which is fine but i do not agree. Information is advertising. Just because it's not a flashly banner that MLG's website has in abundance doesn't mean it's not advertising. | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On February 25 2012 02:56 Condor Hero wrote: Information is advertising. Just because it's not a flashly banner that MLG's website has in abundance doesn't mean it's not advertising. By that reasoning, the free stream calendar listings are advertisements as well. | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
On February 25 2012 03:05 Doodsmack wrote: lol @ vVv coming in here acting like they're fighting for justice and in the right. They blatantly stand to profit from this whole issue being resolved in their favor. Their team leader lied through his teeth about not having a bone to pick in this, hoping we wouldn't realize that vVv is participating in the MLG referral program. You would think they would know to stop digging their hole. Unless TL was planning on posting our referral link on their calendar we wouldn't profit from MLG being listed at all. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On February 25 2012 02:53 farvacola wrote: That's a lie, the AOL was listed on the right just like everything else. Revisionist history at work yet again. I'm just excited for the arena to begin! They've already made a statement with regards to this. They only published it once the stream was made public. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On February 25 2012 03:05 Doodsmack wrote: By that reasoning, the free stream calendar listings are advertisements as well. It's because those streams are public service. I already addressed this. The only beneficiary from that advertised space would be MLG. There's enough advertising as is. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On February 25 2012 03:10 StarStruck wrote: It's because those streams are public service. I already addressed this. The only beneficiary from that advertised space would be MLG. There's enough advertising as is. Public service? They are generating ad revenue. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 25 2012 03:13 Doodsmack wrote: Public service? They are generating ad revenue. But also promoting small leagues that offer free streams. The trade-off isn't even close. | ||
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Thorantham
United States221 Posts
On February 25 2012 03:10 StarStruck wrote: It's because those streams are public service. I already addressed this. The only beneficiary from that advertised space would be MLG. There's enough advertising as is. Public service? You're out of your mind. Everyone wants to get listed on TL so they can make money from their stream ads. Every event stream gets paid. The only difference is MLG's requires the viewer to pay and not companies that run ads. | ||
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jarf1337
United States146 Posts
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On February 25 2012 03:25 Thorantham wrote: Public service? You're out of your mind. Everyone wants to get listed on TL so they can make money from their stream ads. Every event stream gets paid. The only difference is MLG's requires the viewer to pay and not companies that run ads. And that difference is exactly why MLG must pay for it. Simple as that  I support TL in their decision. It's reasonable. | ||
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InternalSync
176 Posts
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Akta
447 Posts
On February 25 2012 03:25 Thorantham wrote: That people can click the links and watch without paying someone is a pretty big difference as well.Public service? You're out of your mind. Everyone wants to get listed on TL so they can make money from their stream ads. Every event stream gets paid. The only difference is MLG's requires the viewer to pay and not companies that run ads. | ||
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Idgaf
United States16 Posts
1. Why did you oppose a system like PPV publicly then try to make a cut off advertisement of that system? 2. How much money was it in question that TL asked for, to have MLG Ads on TL? (I feel because no deal was made there is no harm in revealing this amount and it would shed some light on the situation). 3. For your dealings between TL and MLG to be leaked on a forum is one thing but, then the aspects of your dealings were openly talked about by a member who was part of the behind closed doors stuff. Was there no NDA on your business dealings? (In almost all serious business I've ever had dealings with the responces would have been considered very unprofessional. Im not saying that the other vVv guy was being any better but TL has a standard to live up to and I feel it kind of became a pissing contest to a point.) 4. Also (I hope I don't get banned or warned for this because I'm not meaning to be agressive towards anyone I'm just trying to find out what all really went down) I was looking at a few of the posts at the beginning of this thread and I noticed some of them had been edited by HB after some of these "Rumors" surfaced. Which leads me to think there is more we are not being told :X. What was changed and why did you feel the need to edit it? Thanks TL GOOOOO ESPORTS :D!!! P.S. If you didn't get a chance to see DRG vs Gumiho simifinals of GSL, it has some of the best ZvT games I have ever seen in my life! | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On February 25 2012 03:28 jarf1337 wrote: Oh wow... I just realized that the event isn't even listed on the calendar at all. I thought that they simply meant there would be no stream links or anything under the event listing. I don't agree with them refusing to list the event at all... at least have it on the calendar with a sparse amount of information or something. You can still see it in the recent results on the new homepage. It lists all the major events and links to Liquidpedia so you can check things out in detail. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Am suprised mlg refused to pay annything,as an american company i expected them to be pragmatic Maybe they wanted to pay but tl wanted more, i dont know. If Mlg is going to fully monetise sc then they should expect to pay for services provided by others as well. It is a somewhat opportunistic timing of TL to jump on the occassion now and charge mlg but they have every right to do so and their product definatly has a huge value. Mlg refusing to pay others who help make their tournament a succes, while they are trying to monetise starcraft for themselves makes them look bad. | ||
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