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On February 25 2012 04:46 Torte de Lini wrote:
Chill's post.
My bad, edited the post to be more specific about who I was calling a troll.
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On February 25 2012 04:49 Calyeah wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:43 SugarBear wrote:
I know that most of you are trolling and don't actually care, but part of the reason it seems that vVv sticks together is because we actually know and play games with each other regularly. This is opposed to the average TL member who gets on an Internet forum where he most likely doesn't know or play with anyone. Most of us are trolling? How is anyone trolling here? This post is another example of why people are pointing out what you are doing is ridiculous, your "leader" or whatever you want to call him comes on this thread spouting out random numbers about how much TL asked for, gets banned and now the rest of you are making posts like this calling all of us trolls because we disagree with you? Sticking together is fine, but there is a way to do it and this sure aint one of them.
Are you not making generalizations about vVv in yourself? by saying the rest of you and really, why would you quote "leader" From the research I have done on both vVv and TL at this point one is President and CEO of a gaming organization and the others are I am actually not sure what to call them so, entrepreneurs of a gaming site, seems fitting. Do not generalize the generalizers, point finger at someone and 3 fingers are pointing back at you...
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On February 25 2012 04:51 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:49 Idra4Lyfe wrote:On February 25 2012 04:46 Torte de Lini wrote:On February 25 2012 04:43 SugarBear wrote:
I know that most of you are trolling and don't actually care, but part of the reason it seems that vVv sticks together is because we actually know and play games with each other regularly. This is opposed to the average TL member who gets on an Internet forum where he most likely doesn't know or play with anyone. Do you regularly talk out of your ass like this? It's one thing to boost your team's methods or ways of creating credibility, it's another to make a sweeping generalization about every single TL member that degrades them. Do you always degrade the audience of a public forum before trying to prove how much better you are? To be fair you probably should PM him rather than fire back on a forum since you are one who is a higher up in this forum. Just my thought though. I would like to formally report both of you for not thinking before you post Yeah, sorry. I didn't see Chill's post until I posted, I'll remove it thanks. I'm equal to SugarBear on these forums, we're all the same.
Finally you either get it or trolling me. Not really sure hard to judge words on a forum rather than your tone in real life. But anyways equality is the best policy in life.
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On February 25 2012 04:49 Idra4Lyfe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:46 Torte de Lini wrote:On February 25 2012 04:43 SugarBear wrote:
I know that most of you are trolling and don't actually care, but part of the reason it seems that vVv sticks together is because we actually know and play games with each other regularly. This is opposed to the average TL member who gets on an Internet forum where he most likely doesn't know or play with anyone. Do you regularly talk out of your ass like this? It's one thing to boost your team's methods or ways of creating credibility, it's another to make a sweeping generalization about every single TL member that degrades them. Do you always degrade the audience of a public forum before trying to prove how much better you are? To be fair you probably should PM him rather than fire back on a forum since you are one who is a higher up in this forum. Just my thought though. I would like to formally report both of you for not thinking before you post
Great idea, maybe if the guy who started up the 10k rumour PMed Teamliquid and MLG we wouldn't have such an entertaining yet depressing thread. But that wouldn't of been as fun as seeing all of v's posts of course.
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On February 25 2012 04:45 Idra4Lyfe wrote:
The Justification is to help the members for TL know where events are going to be played... Put all the bull shit aside and figure out the only thing you are hindering is the members of this site... What other PPV streams have had to pay for the calendar spot? and why would anyone pay for a calendar spot. That is simply a reminder of an event that is happening not a direct advertisement for MLG or any other league. To pay for advertisement is one thing but to pay for a spot on a calendar is another. I have no problem with asking MLG for advertisement money if MLG was asking to be placed on the site with a banner or logo or anything like that. But to say we want money to put you on our calendar... come on. Let's use our brains, the calendar does not have any logos and is simply reminders for people that an event is happening on a certain day. Advertisement money is spent on advertising, ESPN does not ask MLB for money to advertise sporting events, and I am not comparing TL and MLG to ESPN and MLB just merely stating an example from another related area.
Well a few things, firstly there haven't actually been any other PPV streams, this is the first time it has happened and it is up to TL how they deal with a PPV stream and their calendar. They are just showing that if you are a _pure_ PPV stream then you have to pay for what is a privilege to have your stream listed on a third party website. I also don't understand how a banner or logo is any different? Both these and appearing on the calendar would be a direct advertisement/link that this event is going on, sure the calendar might have slightly less pixel size, but speaking personally I pay more attention to the calendar than any banner when it comes to what streams or events are going on, and I am sure for the majority of users it is the same. As for "using our brains", I am perfectly capable of that, the calendar link would just redirect to a page that requires payment to watch, that is basically the same as any banner or logo you can think of, and would be a huge amount of free advertisement for a paid event.
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On February 25 2012 04:55 Full.tilt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:49 Idra4Lyfe wrote:On February 25 2012 04:46 Torte de Lini wrote:On February 25 2012 04:43 SugarBear wrote:
I know that most of you are trolling and don't actually care, but part of the reason it seems that vVv sticks together is because we actually know and play games with each other regularly. This is opposed to the average TL member who gets on an Internet forum where he most likely doesn't know or play with anyone. Do you regularly talk out of your ass like this? It's one thing to boost your team's methods or ways of creating credibility, it's another to make a sweeping generalization about every single TL member that degrades them. Do you always degrade the audience of a public forum before trying to prove how much better you are? To be fair you probably should PM him rather than fire back on a forum since you are one who is a higher up in this forum. Just my thought though. I would like to formally report both of you for not thinking before you post Great idea, maybe if the guy who started up the 10k rumour PMed Teamliquid and MLG we wouldn't have such an entertaining yet depressing thread. But that wouldn't of been as fun as seeing all of v's posts of course.
While I agree with this as well, this has been fun to read all day  plus sometimes broadcasting publicly is the right medicine for innovation. The bashing between individuals however is just an eyesore
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On February 25 2012 04:43 SugarBear wrote:
I know that most of you are trolling and don't actually care, but part of the reason it seems that vVv sticks together is because we actually know and play games with each other regularly. This is opposed to the average TL member who gets on an Internet forum where he most likely doesn't know or play with anyone.
Just because people are disagreeing with you doesn't mean they are trolling.
The thing about all this discussion that your boss started is that it's making vVv as a whole looks really bad to the community.
He starts a rumor that was denied by both parties involved and instead of saying "ups, I guess my source was wrong" he keeps pushing the same rumor. And after that he keeps ranting in a defamatory way against one of the sides, if he did that in his twitter that's ok, however he decided to keep pushing the issue on the forums of the site that he is defaming and ranting about, and not only he kept pushing the issue that was denied by the involved parties, but also violates rules of the site itself which got him temp banned. After that he goes to twitter again and starts playing the victim role.
He wants TL and MLG to tell what was the value that TL asked for, however he doesn't say who was his "source", that after all had wrong information.
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On February 25 2012 00:31 Condor Hero wrote:
Sorry TL didn't live up to your, I'm sure, high expectations but even Obama shouldn't be allowed to take a dump on TL without getting banned.
Well if you bann american presidents, there will be somewhat of a nuke call down i guess 
As a matter of fact i think this whole discussion is kinda senceless to me. If MLG wants TL to have their PPV Stream on the calendar, well pay for it and the rules may get stretched for you, don't pay for it, don't get it listed.
Good to keep the rules, though its like in politic issues, pay enough and they aren't worth that much anymore
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On February 25 2012 04:55 Idra4Lyfe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:51 Torte de Lini wrote:On February 25 2012 04:49 Idra4Lyfe wrote:On February 25 2012 04:46 Torte de Lini wrote:On February 25 2012 04:43 SugarBear wrote:
I know that most of you are trolling and don't actually care, but part of the reason it seems that vVv sticks together is because we actually know and play games with each other regularly. This is opposed to the average TL member who gets on an Internet forum where he most likely doesn't know or play with anyone. Do you regularly talk out of your ass like this? It's one thing to boost your team's methods or ways of creating credibility, it's another to make a sweeping generalization about every single TL member that degrades them. Do you always degrade the audience of a public forum before trying to prove how much better you are? To be fair you probably should PM him rather than fire back on a forum since you are one who is a higher up in this forum. Just my thought though. I would like to formally report both of you for not thinking before you post Yeah, sorry. I didn't see Chill's post until I posted, I'll remove it thanks. I'm equal to SugarBear on these forums, we're all the same. Finally you either get it or trolling me. Not really sure hard to judge words on a forum rather than your tone in real life. But anyways equality is the best policy in life.
We are equals because we are both common community members.
That doesn't mean people like Artosis, Tasteless and other more prominent members aren't on a higher scale leniency, etc.
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When any forum gets this big there are tons of people who know and tons of people who don't know each other. Most of the people with similar tags or are pro players know each other and play together. Of course members of same team play together.
edit: sorry just saw admin post
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On February 25 2012 04:56 Calyeah wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:45 Idra4Lyfe wrote:
The Justification is to help the members for TL know where events are going to be played... Put all the bull shit aside and figure out the only thing you are hindering is the members of this site... What other PPV streams have had to pay for the calendar spot? and why would anyone pay for a calendar spot. That is simply a reminder of an event that is happening not a direct advertisement for MLG or any other league. To pay for advertisement is one thing but to pay for a spot on a calendar is another. I have no problem with asking MLG for advertisement money if MLG was asking to be placed on the site with a banner or logo or anything like that. But to say we want money to put you on our calendar... come on. Let's use our brains, the calendar does not have any logos and is simply reminders for people that an event is happening on a certain day. Advertisement money is spent on advertising, ESPN does not ask MLB for money to advertise sporting events, and I am not comparing TL and MLG to ESPN and MLB just merely stating an example from another related area. Well a few things, firstly there haven't actually been any other PPV streams, this is the first time it has happened and it is up to TL how they deal with a PPV stream and their calendar. They are just showing that if you are a _pure_ PPV stream then you have to pay for what is a privilege to have your stream listed on a third party website. I also don't understand how a banner or logo is any different? Both these and appearing on the calendar would be a direct advertisement/link that this event is going on, sure the calendar might have slightly less pixel size, but speaking personally I pay more attention to the calendar than any banner when it comes to what streams or events are going on, and I am sure for the majority of users it is the same. As for "using our brains", I am perfectly capable of that, the calendar link would just redirect to a page that requires payment to watch, that is basically the same as any banner or logo you can think of, and would be a huge amount of free advertisement for a paid event.
ok turn your head right... look at calendar... no logos or anything is on that calendar, not worth any money to be put on their, again going back to my no clickable links for ppv events. I have no doubt you are capable of using your brain, I question how people use it sometimes however. I just do not see a huge deal of why anyone would pay money to be placed on a calendar. However it is TL's choice to add an event to the calendar at their discretion but that can make people think and wonder... I can see how you think seeing MLG or ROG or any other event being put on a calendar is advertising, but in marketing the cost must fit the advertising spot, and the calendar in my eyes the way it is set up is not worth a dime. My $.02
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I agree with TL, and like someone said, so ironic that MLG refuses to pay for something they used to get for free. In the end it's TL's site and they can charge for advertising if they wish. Besides TL gave enough exposure to Arena as is, at least thats how i heard about it..
Now, the whole LordJerith business... I read his twitter a bit cause Im bored at work.. the back and forth btw him and sugarbear about manifesto is borderline pathetic. Its basically the two saying how manifesto must be 16 and supporting eachother's lame jokes. Guess they needed that to feel better about the ban they dont care about.
Those cheap shots and childish jokes about someone's maturity (lol?) kinda tilt me to believe TL now though I was indifferent before.
Stay classy vvv..
+ Show Spoiler +
Jerry Prochazka (LordJerith)
@swampsteel @vVvSugarBear We're shallow like that, though. We can't help ourselves.
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On February 25 2012 05:03 Idra4Lyfe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:56 Calyeah wrote:On February 25 2012 04:45 Idra4Lyfe wrote:
The Justification is to help the members for TL know where events are going to be played... Put all the bull shit aside and figure out the only thing you are hindering is the members of this site... What other PPV streams have had to pay for the calendar spot? and why would anyone pay for a calendar spot. That is simply a reminder of an event that is happening not a direct advertisement for MLG or any other league. To pay for advertisement is one thing but to pay for a spot on a calendar is another. I have no problem with asking MLG for advertisement money if MLG was asking to be placed on the site with a banner or logo or anything like that. But to say we want money to put you on our calendar... come on. Let's use our brains, the calendar does not have any logos and is simply reminders for people that an event is happening on a certain day. Advertisement money is spent on advertising, ESPN does not ask MLB for money to advertise sporting events, and I am not comparing TL and MLG to ESPN and MLB just merely stating an example from another related area. Well a few things, firstly there haven't actually been any other PPV streams, this is the first time it has happened and it is up to TL how they deal with a PPV stream and their calendar. They are just showing that if you are a _pure_ PPV stream then you have to pay for what is a privilege to have your stream listed on a third party website. I also don't understand how a banner or logo is any different? Both these and appearing on the calendar would be a direct advertisement/link that this event is going on, sure the calendar might have slightly less pixel size, but speaking personally I pay more attention to the calendar than any banner when it comes to what streams or events are going on, and I am sure for the majority of users it is the same. As for "using our brains", I am perfectly capable of that, the calendar link would just redirect to a page that requires payment to watch, that is basically the same as any banner or logo you can think of, and would be a huge amount of free advertisement for a paid event. ok turn your head right... look at calendar... no logos or anything is on that calendar, not worth any money to be put on their, again going back to my no clickable links for ppv events. I have no doubt you are capable of using your brain, I question how people use it sometimes however. I just do not see a huge deal of why anyone would pay money to be placed on a calendar. However it is TL's choice to add an event to the calendar at their discretion but that can make people think and wonder... I can see how you think seeing MLG or ROG or any other event being put on a calendar is advertising, but in marketing the cost must fit the advertising spot, and the calendar in my eyes the way it is set up is not worth a dime. My $.02 It's obviously a form of stream calendar, not an "all sc2 events" calendar.
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On February 25 2012 05:08 Akta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 05:03 Idra4Lyfe wrote:On February 25 2012 04:56 Calyeah wrote:On February 25 2012 04:45 Idra4Lyfe wrote:
The Justification is to help the members for TL know where events are going to be played... Put all the bull shit aside and figure out the only thing you are hindering is the members of this site... What other PPV streams have had to pay for the calendar spot? and why would anyone pay for a calendar spot. That is simply a reminder of an event that is happening not a direct advertisement for MLG or any other league. To pay for advertisement is one thing but to pay for a spot on a calendar is another. I have no problem with asking MLG for advertisement money if MLG was asking to be placed on the site with a banner or logo or anything like that. But to say we want money to put you on our calendar... come on. Let's use our brains, the calendar does not have any logos and is simply reminders for people that an event is happening on a certain day. Advertisement money is spent on advertising, ESPN does not ask MLB for money to advertise sporting events, and I am not comparing TL and MLG to ESPN and MLB just merely stating an example from another related area. Well a few things, firstly there haven't actually been any other PPV streams, this is the first time it has happened and it is up to TL how they deal with a PPV stream and their calendar. They are just showing that if you are a _pure_ PPV stream then you have to pay for what is a privilege to have your stream listed on a third party website. I also don't understand how a banner or logo is any different? Both these and appearing on the calendar would be a direct advertisement/link that this event is going on, sure the calendar might have slightly less pixel size, but speaking personally I pay more attention to the calendar than any banner when it comes to what streams or events are going on, and I am sure for the majority of users it is the same. As for "using our brains", I am perfectly capable of that, the calendar link would just redirect to a page that requires payment to watch, that is basically the same as any banner or logo you can think of, and would be a huge amount of free advertisement for a paid event. ok turn your head right... look at calendar... no logos or anything is on that calendar, not worth any money to be put on their, again going back to my no clickable links for ppv events. I have no doubt you are capable of using your brain, I question how people use it sometimes however. I just do not see a huge deal of why anyone would pay money to be placed on a calendar. However it is TL's choice to add an event to the calendar at their discretion but that can make people think and wonder... I can see how you think seeing MLG or ROG or any other event being put on a calendar is advertising, but in marketing the cost must fit the advertising spot, and the calendar in my eyes the way it is set up is not worth a dime. My $.02 It's obviously a form of stream calendar, not an "all sc2 events" calendar.
Well you are correct it is not an all sc2 event calendar, meaning TL chooses what they put on it. It should be an all SC2 events calendar and yes I realize that could be hard to do but why not? Again the calendar is a tool to help the members of this community not profit from.
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I think this choice by TL is fine and acceptable as long as they do it to everyone else which I fully believe they will. No matter what people say TL is pretty fair when it comes to things like this.
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On February 25 2012 05:10 Idra4Lyfe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 05:08 Akta wrote:On February 25 2012 05:03 Idra4Lyfe wrote:On February 25 2012 04:56 Calyeah wrote:On February 25 2012 04:45 Idra4Lyfe wrote:
The Justification is to help the members for TL know where events are going to be played... Put all the bull shit aside and figure out the only thing you are hindering is the members of this site... What other PPV streams have had to pay for the calendar spot? and why would anyone pay for a calendar spot. That is simply a reminder of an event that is happening not a direct advertisement for MLG or any other league. To pay for advertisement is one thing but to pay for a spot on a calendar is another. I have no problem with asking MLG for advertisement money if MLG was asking to be placed on the site with a banner or logo or anything like that. But to say we want money to put you on our calendar... come on. Let's use our brains, the calendar does not have any logos and is simply reminders for people that an event is happening on a certain day. Advertisement money is spent on advertising, ESPN does not ask MLB for money to advertise sporting events, and I am not comparing TL and MLG to ESPN and MLB just merely stating an example from another related area. Well a few things, firstly there haven't actually been any other PPV streams, this is the first time it has happened and it is up to TL how they deal with a PPV stream and their calendar. They are just showing that if you are a _pure_ PPV stream then you have to pay for what is a privilege to have your stream listed on a third party website. I also don't understand how a banner or logo is any different? Both these and appearing on the calendar would be a direct advertisement/link that this event is going on, sure the calendar might have slightly less pixel size, but speaking personally I pay more attention to the calendar than any banner when it comes to what streams or events are going on, and I am sure for the majority of users it is the same. As for "using our brains", I am perfectly capable of that, the calendar link would just redirect to a page that requires payment to watch, that is basically the same as any banner or logo you can think of, and would be a huge amount of free advertisement for a paid event. ok turn your head right... look at calendar... no logos or anything is on that calendar, not worth any money to be put on their, again going back to my no clickable links for ppv events. I have no doubt you are capable of using your brain, I question how people use it sometimes however. I just do not see a huge deal of why anyone would pay money to be placed on a calendar. However it is TL's choice to add an event to the calendar at their discretion but that can make people think and wonder... I can see how you think seeing MLG or ROG or any other event being put on a calendar is advertising, but in marketing the cost must fit the advertising spot, and the calendar in my eyes the way it is set up is not worth a dime. My $.02 It's obviously a form of stream calendar, not an "all sc2 events" calendar. Well you are correct it is not an all sc2 event calendar, meaning TL chooses what they put on it. It should be an all SC2 events calendar and yes I realize that could be hard to do but why not? Again the calendar is a tool to help the members of this community not profit from. That it should be something else isn't very relevant for this thread. Perhaps they should have another calendar where all lan events are listed regardless if there are streams or not or whatever but those discussions probably belong in the website feedback section.
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On February 25 2012 05:20 Akta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 05:10 Idra4Lyfe wrote:On February 25 2012 05:08 Akta wrote:On February 25 2012 05:03 Idra4Lyfe wrote:On February 25 2012 04:56 Calyeah wrote:On February 25 2012 04:45 Idra4Lyfe wrote:
The Justification is to help the members for TL know where events are going to be played... Put all the bull shit aside and figure out the only thing you are hindering is the members of this site... What other PPV streams have had to pay for the calendar spot? and why would anyone pay for a calendar spot. That is simply a reminder of an event that is happening not a direct advertisement for MLG or any other league. To pay for advertisement is one thing but to pay for a spot on a calendar is another. I have no problem with asking MLG for advertisement money if MLG was asking to be placed on the site with a banner or logo or anything like that. But to say we want money to put you on our calendar... come on. Let's use our brains, the calendar does not have any logos and is simply reminders for people that an event is happening on a certain day. Advertisement money is spent on advertising, ESPN does not ask MLB for money to advertise sporting events, and I am not comparing TL and MLG to ESPN and MLB just merely stating an example from another related area. Well a few things, firstly there haven't actually been any other PPV streams, this is the first time it has happened and it is up to TL how they deal with a PPV stream and their calendar. They are just showing that if you are a _pure_ PPV stream then you have to pay for what is a privilege to have your stream listed on a third party website. I also don't understand how a banner or logo is any different? Both these and appearing on the calendar would be a direct advertisement/link that this event is going on, sure the calendar might have slightly less pixel size, but speaking personally I pay more attention to the calendar than any banner when it comes to what streams or events are going on, and I am sure for the majority of users it is the same. As for "using our brains", I am perfectly capable of that, the calendar link would just redirect to a page that requires payment to watch, that is basically the same as any banner or logo you can think of, and would be a huge amount of free advertisement for a paid event. ok turn your head right... look at calendar... no logos or anything is on that calendar, not worth any money to be put on their, again going back to my no clickable links for ppv events. I have no doubt you are capable of using your brain, I question how people use it sometimes however. I just do not see a huge deal of why anyone would pay money to be placed on a calendar. However it is TL's choice to add an event to the calendar at their discretion but that can make people think and wonder... I can see how you think seeing MLG or ROG or any other event being put on a calendar is advertising, but in marketing the cost must fit the advertising spot, and the calendar in my eyes the way it is set up is not worth a dime. My $.02 It's obviously a form of stream calendar, not an "all sc2 events" calendar. Well you are correct it is not an all sc2 event calendar, meaning TL chooses what they put on it. It should be an all SC2 events calendar and yes I realize that could be hard to do but why not? Again the calendar is a tool to help the members of this community not profit from. That it should be something else isn't very relevant for this thread. Perhaps they should have another calendar where all lan events are listed regardless if there are streams or not or whatever but those discussions probably belong in the website feedback section.
I felt that instead of just talking about which side is right I would give an alternate to both, a compromise if you will. If you feel this is not the right spot for this I must formally disagree, with the topics discussed in this thread I believe this was the perfect situation to type everything that I have. I would agree that it would be relevant as well in the feedback section but how much of that is actually read? like a suggestion box at work... LOL
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Shouldn't the free dr. pepper stream be on the calender anyways? I know it doesn't have any games but it still counts right?
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10k is obviously unreasonable, and I hope we can all take for granted that TL as an entity is a reasonable one.
For TL to ask for 10k, they would have to think they'll send way more than 500 new customers to MLG, which is a totally unrealistic number. So the only reason TL would ask 10k if if the specifically had something against MLG and purposely set up such a high price that they'd knew MLG would not pay. Again, I think we can give credit to TL and acknowledging that this is not a very probable scenario.
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On February 25 2012 04:56 Calyeah wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:45 Idra4Lyfe wrote:
The Justification is to help the members for TL know where events are going to be played... Put all the bull shit aside and figure out the only thing you are hindering is the members of this site... What other PPV streams have had to pay for the calendar spot? and why would anyone pay for a calendar spot. That is simply a reminder of an event that is happening not a direct advertisement for MLG or any other league. To pay for advertisement is one thing but to pay for a spot on a calendar is another. I have no problem with asking MLG for advertisement money if MLG was asking to be placed on the site with a banner or logo or anything like that. But to say we want money to put you on our calendar... come on. Let's use our brains, the calendar does not have any logos and is simply reminders for people that an event is happening on a certain day. Advertisement money is spent on advertising, ESPN does not ask MLB for money to advertise sporting events, and I am not comparing TL and MLG to ESPN and MLB just merely stating an example from another related area. Well a few things, firstly there haven't actually been any other PPV streams, this is the first time it has happened and it is up to TL how they deal with a PPV stream and their calendar. They are just showing that if you are a _pure_ PPV stream then you have to pay for what is a privilege to have your stream listed on a third party website. I also don't understand how a banner or logo is any different? Both these and appearing on the calendar would be a direct advertisement/link that this event is going on, sure the calendar might have slightly less pixel size, but speaking personally I pay more attention to the calendar than any banner when it comes to what streams or events are going on, and I am sure for the majority of users it is the same. As for "using our brains", I am perfectly capable of that, the calendar link would just redirect to a page that requires payment to watch, that is basically the same as any banner or logo you can think of, and would be a huge amount of free advertisement for a paid event.
On February 23 2012 12:37 Hot_Bid wrote:
Accordingly, we don't list events with pay-only streams and no free option. We didn't for GSL's Arena of Legends when it was briefly pay only, and we won't for future events that do not provide a free option. We treat these calendar listings similar to promotional topics that would go in Sponsored Threads. Ultimately what is keeping TL online is our ability to sustain ourselves on minimal advertising, and when a TL service provides significant advertising value over and above simple utility for our users, we will charge for that service (for example a sponsored thread, or countdown clock, or paid-stream link.
There already is a precedent TL established with GSL AoL where pay only streams are not listed.
I don't really understand the arguments for why TL should list pay only streams. Having free to watch streams on the calendar is fine, since its basically saying these tournaments listed could be worth your time, you should definitely check them out. Having a pay only tournament on the calendar is basically saying this tournament is worth your time and money, go buy a pass. The calendar is not just about listing every event; its about listing events which are worth watching. There's nothing stopping people from finding out about MLGWA through other channels, such as the SC2Tourneys forum.
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