EPTOn February 24 2012 08:09 GumThief wrote:
Is there not a free stream associated with this event?
Is there not a free stream associated with this event?
No... read the op before posting x.x!
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:09 GumThief wrote: Is there not a free stream associated with this event? They will have 4 paid streams for games while 1 free streams for looking around the studio. They are broadcasting 1 game/day on the free one but it was not considered enough gameplay for TL to put on the calendar. On February 24 2012 07:30 CursedFeanor wrote: This thread is so full of fail it makes my head hurt, seriously... The only interesting point that was brought forward is that the TL calendar is definitely not (and was arguably never meant to be) the reference I expected it to be for all things sc2. Where are we supposed to go to have an unbiased and complete view of all the events in the sc2 world now? If you find out, please let me know. Until then, I'll keep wasting my time looking at random forum threads and hope the interesting stuff catches my attention. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Recent_Tournament_Results The recent results on Liquidpedia is pretty useful for that. They only work week by week so you can't really look up things far into the future. | ||
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`dunedain
657 Posts
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GumThief
Canada284 Posts
I asked only because I know the answer. There is a free stream. Dr.Pepper something something. Free stream of behind the scenes interviews with players etc. It is Starcraft2 related, so it should be in the calender at the very least. And my last point. I heard that everybody will be granted a ~1-2 hour free stream view per day. So if it was linked it wouldn't redirect you to a "Credit card pls" page. You'd be watching SC2 for at least a couple hours and then you could make your own informed decision. Thanks... | ||
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GumThief
Canada284 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:11 JBright wrote: Have you not read any part of this thread at all? MLG Winter Arena will have 4 paid streams for games while 1 free streams for looking around the studio. They are broadcasting 1 game/day on the free one but it was not considered enough gameplay for TL to put on the calendar. so they will screen every stream on their page for quality assurance reasons? Highly doubt it! This is specific against MLG for some stupid reasons IMO. User was warned for this post | ||
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Daehlie
United States43 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:14 GumThief wrote: I asked only because I know the answer. There is a free stream. Dr.Pepper something something. Free stream of behind the scenes interviews with players etc. It is Starcraft2 related, so it should be in the calender at the very least. And my last point. I heard that everybody will be granted a ~1-2 hour free stream view per day. So if it was linked it wouldn't redirect you to a "Credit card pls" page. You'd be watching SC2 for at least a couple hours and then you could make your own informed decision. Thanks... Pretty sure "free for a few hours a day" qualifies as "no free option." MLG is getting a tour of the pitfalls of the transition from an ad-supported model to a subscription model. No doubt they are longing for the days of flames from non-paying customers about stream issues being their primary concern. | ||
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Meteora.GB
Canada2479 Posts
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Molybdenum
United States358 Posts
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GumThief
Canada284 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:20 Daehlie wrote: Pretty sure "free for a few hours a day" qualifies as "no free option." MLG is getting a tour of the pitfalls of the transition from an ad-supported model to a subscription model. No doubt they are longing for the days of flames from non-paying customers about stream issues being their primary concern. LoL your last point to completely agree with. Yikes.. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:06 crms wrote: I wonder how much TL was asking if MLG turned it down without negotiating the price. I can't imagine TL charging so much that MLG didn't feel it's worthwhile to have their event on the largest info site in the industry. Interesting post nonetheless. Your logic doesn't make much sense. It never came to price negotiation since MLG disagreed on having to pay at all. That's were both sides parted. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:25 rotegirte wrote: Your logic doesn't make much sense. It never came to price negotiation since MLG disagreed on having to pay at all. That's were both sides parted. I'm not sure where my logic comes into play. It's a simple inquiry into how much TL wanted to charge. I'm sure MLG would have just paid the price if it was an insignificant amount like $20. So clearly, price was some factor in MLG's decision and not purely a 'we don't want to pay a thing.' What's the point you're trying to make exactly? Are you just nit picking my post? | ||
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Defrag
Poland414 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:09 GumThief wrote: Is there not a free stream associated with this event? no, there is not a single, even low quality, free stream. You have to pay 20$ to view any stream. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:13 `dunedain wrote: The way I see it, only 1 more week 'til MLG! (The VoDs should be out by then ) Hehe yeah Question is if it will be possible to avoid spoilers for a week-_- | ||
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:34 crms wrote: I'm not sure where my logic comes into play. It's a simple inquiry into how much TL wanted to charge. I'm sure MLG would have just paid the price if it was an insignificant amount like $20. So clearly, price was some factor in MLG's decision and not purely a 'we don't want to pay a thing.' Clearly? So because you are sure its clearly? Your just making assumptions while the OP states: "We believe that a PPV-only stream listing is advertising that outweighs the contribution and utility to our calendar. While MLG understood our viewpoint, they disagreed with our decision to charge for PPV stream calendar advertising." So if you have a legit source that says otherwise your post doesn't clear up anything. | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:25 rotegirte wrote: Your logic doesn't make much sense. It never came to price negotiation since MLG disagreed on having to pay at all. That's were both sides parted. How much can it possibly cost to get a sponsored thread or have your link over on the sidebar, etc? Is that public knowledge? I'm surprised that there's absolutely no price MLG would be willing to pay for that advertising. If it were something cheap like $100 or less (which I have a suspicion it would be), then I think that's a bad business decision which was informed by emotion rather than value. It goes without saying that TL is a great place to advertise an SC2 tournament, even if you have to pay an amount. Of course, if the amount is too much then that has to be taken into consideration, but I doubt that it truly is. I also find it ironic that they would take some moral stance against having to pay for their advertisements. If it's the case that SC2 viewers have to accept a PPV model as the evolution of esports, etc., then doesn't it also follow that tournaments which switch to PPV models will have to learn to accept no longer receiving free advertising for their costly products? TL is a business, too. They support an SC2 team with this site, by selling shirts, by producing TL related content, etc. The fact that they allow free advertising for free streams is a testament to their commitment to the community. They're helping people who help the community by providing free content. Asking them to do the same for people who charge for specific products doesn't make sense and imo TL has no obligation to do so, and shouldn't. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:40 TheSir wrote: Clearly? So because you are sure its clearly? Your just making assumptions while the OP states: "We believe that a PPV-only stream listing is advertising that outweighs the contribution and utility to our calendar. While MLG understood our viewpoint, they disagreed with our decision to charge for PPV stream calendar advertising." So if you have a legit source that says otherwise your post doesn't clear up anything. Do you really think MLG would refuse to pay an insignificant fee like $20 based on principle? Sure, I don't have any proof of this but thinking from a business perspective, I'd assume you'd want your event highlighted on the single biggest news and information site in the industry. I highly doubt if the price was insignificant MLG would refuse based on some moral principle pertaining to TL calendar policy. I mean, it seems like common sense, no? So if you accept this line of thinking clearly price had to have been high enough that MLG didn't think it was worthwhile. This is why I'm wondering what the price actually is to buy a PPV calendar event, and why MLG didn't think it was worthwhile to negotiate to a reasonable price to advertise their event on the biggest news site. Perhaps they didn't think even $20 (a completely arbitrary number to make my point easier to see) was worthwhile and they have enough information on TL going on that the calendar notice is insignificant, who knows. I do know MLG bought a sponosored pay thread on reddit, where there is also tons of MLG information. | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:08 Mouzone wrote: Missing out on all the dropin viewers that see the stream on TL isn't minor. There's the impulse purchase factor that would play a big role in people buying this event even though they've been resistant to it beforehand. Like has been said, there will still be a very active LR thread each day (which will no doubt be bumped often enough so it's permanently on the left sidebar under "SC2 Tourneys" and it's very likely there will be a link to the MLG stream in the OP. I just don't think this is a huge shunning of MLG that some people are making it out to be. If anything seeing all the associated hype in the OP of the LR thread could be more likely to get people to consider paying for the event. | ||
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stfouri
Finland272 Posts
Let GOM have their events on calendar, even tough half of their matches are pay or dont watch them, but naa MLG is the evil here, must please community rage and ours too. | ||
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aNDRoM
United States637 Posts
I did not realize that VODs for Winter Arena would be free after a week. I've already paid my $15 ($20 - $5 coupon for being a Gold member), but JTV is allowing me to cancel and receive a full refund, so now I have to weigh whether I'll actually be able to watch at much of the event live to get my money's worth, or just wait a week. As an aside, I think it's great that MLG is releasing the VODs for free after a week. As I mentioned way upstream, I wish GSL would do something like this. I am not in the right timezone to realistically be able to take advantage of the free GSL streams, which means the only way I can view the content is by subscribing. That is their right, and I am not complaining, but it is nice that the full MLG content will (eventually) be available for free. | ||
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