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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 23 2012 04:07 GMT
#41
Sounds very reasonable to me.
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Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
February 23 2012 04:07 GMT
#42
For one I agree can agree with this decision. MLG should not be hurt by this that much considering that fact that every one of their viewers will have had to put money down. Paying viewers will allways end up being more alert when what they've paid for is happening.
Dispersion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Korea (South)504 Posts
February 23 2012 04:08 GMT
#43
Thanks for the info HotBid.
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Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
February 23 2012 04:09 GMT
#44
oh my god sometimes i don't like TL's decisions but this one i 100% agree with
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SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 04:10:27
February 23 2012 04:09 GMT
#45
I know i'll be in the minority but I don't entirely agree with this decision. I understand the reasoning given, but I feel like they are overvaluing the harm done by having the event listed so we know when it starts and when it ends. It would probably hurt MLG way more to not have it up than it would hurt team liquid to have it up. I know the world isn't one big socialist charity, but I feel like a good samaritan rule could apply.

With that said, though, team liquid obviously has zero obligation to put anything on the calendar they don't want there.

Actually on second thought, it probably wouldn't hurt MLG that much anyway. I suppose this is perfectly reasonable. I am indifferent!
LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
February 23 2012 04:13 GMT
#46
Arent the AOL tournaments posted on TL and those PPV?
bnanaPEEL
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada138 Posts
February 23 2012 04:13 GMT
#47
I feel like this is the right move if TL is to stay a community site (if that makes any sense), but I would've liked you to give them a free PPV advertising pass just this once. MLG is trying a new business model, good for them for trying, and keeping variables to a minimum is ideal when comparing PPV to the old method.

That said, I don't know how consistent the stats are from tournament from tournament and since they don't release any data I don't see why we should be bending over backwards for MLG, so kudos to you.
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Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
February 23 2012 04:13 GMT
#48
On February 23 2012 13:13 LittleAtari wrote:
Arent the AOL tournaments posted on TL and those PPV?


http://www.teamliquid.net/calendar/2011/10/#event_6627
http://www.teamliquid.net/calendar/2011/10/#event_6642
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
February 23 2012 04:14 GMT
#49
screw that. MLG should pay for a sponsored thread; share the wealth. seriously, how expensive could a sponsored thread actually be? Sundance gave his whole spiel about promoting teams, etc. I would think they would throw a bone to teamliquid.net considering more than 90% of MLG's viewers probably came from teamliquid. does anyone go to MLG's website before they visit teamliquid?

your calendar policy seems reasonable. surprised this much thought went into it. you guys are very business like about everything.
LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 04:17:17
February 23 2012 04:15 GMT
#50
On February 23 2012 13:13 Primadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 13:13 LittleAtari wrote:
Arent the AOL tournaments posted on TL and those PPV?


http://www.teamliquid.net/calendar/2011/10/#event_6627
http://www.teamliquid.net/calendar/2011/10/#event_6642

Thanks

edit: I do think that the policy is reasonable, but it hasn't been enforced until now. So =/

edit 2: Hotbid explains below
Mysti_
Profile Joined May 2011
France185 Posts
February 23 2012 04:15 GMT
#51
I definitely agree with this, and I'm glad TL isn't going to encourage MLG going in this direction!
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
February 23 2012 04:16 GMT
#52
On February 23 2012 13:13 LittleAtari wrote:
Arent the AOL tournaments posted on TL and those PPV?

They initially were pay-only, and we didn't list. They made it free, and we listed.
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LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
February 23 2012 04:17 GMT
#53
On February 23 2012 13:16 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 13:13 LittleAtari wrote:
Arent the AOL tournaments posted on TL and those PPV?

They initially were pay-only, and we didn't list. They made it free, and we listed.

alright, i haven't been following the AOL much. So thanks. MLG Pay up for a sponsored listing :O
aNDRoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States637 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 04:22:48
February 23 2012 04:17 GMT
#54
On February 23 2012 13:02 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 12:56 Ghanburighan wrote:
I understand the viewpoint, but I do not agree with the final decision nor the way it was conducted now.

TL as always tries to be transparent but there are questions here that need to be answered. If MLG offered referral program participation and TL refused and TL offered advertising space and MLG refused, then it seems to me that it's a question of money rather than principle. Didn't MLG offer enough money through the referral program and TL wanted more for advertising? Unless we know those numbers, it's hard to take this announcement at face value.

Secondly, it seems an impossible task for MLG (or anyone) to " find a revenue model that allows them to keep running successful events." if PPV will immediately cause costs to increase and reduce their community advertising. We know that TL is the hub for all things to SC2 and not being showcased here will damage their event.

Although, I don't think TL is the cause of these problems. I can imagine that MLG did not talk to TL quite as much as they could have, nor has MLG gone to great lengths to actually pay for these services (which, to be honest, are taken for granted by many). On the other hand, the Winter Arena must be one of the most frequently mentioned topics on TL at the moment, so perhaps removing the calendar option is mostly a demonstration of attitude than an actually painful lesson being taught to MLG.

Neither of these conversations (the referral program or the calendar spot) reached the point where we were negotiating prices at all. We declined to be a part of the referral program for the reasons we stated, and they did not feel we should charge anything for the calendar entry.


Hot_Bid, was MLG's objection to TL charging for the calendar entry based on the fact (or assumption) that they'd be paying for normal placement on the calendar?

Does TL currently has a special sponsored section that a purely PPV event like Winter Arena would naturally be highlighted under? If not, would MLG paying have caused the creation of a special sponsored position/section of the calendar, like there is for sponsored threads?
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BaconofWar
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States369 Posts
February 23 2012 04:18 GMT
#55
Entirey agree. I don't have the desire to pay for the MLG winter arena, just like I don't want the Super Bowl to be PPV
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bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
February 23 2012 04:18 GMT
#56
On February 23 2012 13:09 SiguR wrote:
I know i'll be in the minority but I don't entirely agree with this decision. I understand the reasoning given, but I feel like they are overvaluing the harm done by having the event listed so we know when it starts and when it ends. It would probably hurt MLG way more to not have it up than it would hurt team liquid to have it up. I know the world isn't one big socialist charity, but I feel like a good samaritan rule could apply.

With that said, though, team liquid obviously has zero obligation to put anything on the calendar they don't want there.

Actually on second thought, it probably wouldn't hurt MLG that much anyway. I suppose this is perfectly reasonable. I am indifferent!


You words hurt me too much! Thus you should delete your posting! (Kidding).


I disagree with your "hurt more" argument.
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Render
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States249 Posts
February 23 2012 04:18 GMT
#57
Integrity. I <3 TL so much.
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Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
February 23 2012 04:19 GMT
#58
I don't agree with this, necessarily. It just seems a little "tit for tat".

I don't mean that disrespectfully, though honestly I don't know how I could have put that point across not disrespectfully.

I mean, I understand how the stream and advertising stuff for TL works now, and I can't blame you guys for maintaining your integrity. I just feel, somehow, that this is like Mommy and Daddy splitting up without any of the bottle throwing and trips to the hospital most divorces come with (my parents can be angry people, what can I say). Obviously that's a very far-fetched and... well ridiculous metaphor.

I don't think TL is wrong, I don't think they're right, I think I mostly just wish there was a mutually beneficial conclusion. When it all boils down I think that MLG is already taking one hell of a PR beating. A normally neutral TL showing disagreement can't help that. I respect that we were told TL's side of things, Hot Bid, and I truly love that the integrity of the site is being upheld. I can't say I'm glad I read the thread though.

I'm going to continue to support TL, and I truly thank the entire TL.Net team for what they've done for the scene. I just can't shake this bad feeling I have for 2012 eSports.
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Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1686 Posts
February 23 2012 04:19 GMT
#59
MLG just needs to pay already. No one is going to watch their stream that didn't already decide to weeks before - unless they get featured on TL calendar that weekend.
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
February 23 2012 04:21 GMT
#60
Well done TL, good to see you have not 'sold' your integrity. I salute you TL !
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