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Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
February 27 2012 06:32 GMT
#1061
I have to say that it was weird to see mlg get huge promotion on this site with 3 different treads about the tournament (with links included) after this tread was posted.
Tl,s decission to ban them from the calendar has been rather symbolical lol
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3750 Posts
February 27 2012 09:53 GMT
#1062
All and all I think it was moderately wrong decision.

While I admit I hate PPV business model and I hope that MLG won't see reasonable profit in it, I believe calendar should include the information somehow. Maybe it should be unclickable and without links in description but still.

This way - calendar does not include complete inforamtion about significant events and IMHO that's the main purpose of it.
OpticalPhonon
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada72 Posts
April 20 2012 23:03 GMT
#1063
Has this policy changed?
Mesha
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
April 20 2012 23:07 GMT
#1064
Paying for content that is free 24 hours a day from top different pros of the world. This is retarded. There should be a low quality FREE stream!

User was warned for this post
Reality hits you hard bro.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 23:19:32
April 20 2012 23:17 GMT
#1065
I don`t like the inconsequence regarding ppv only events in the TL calendar/sidebar. tbh, I dont like ppv-only events on the sidebar. It is nothing but frustrating to click on the link and the only thing you can see is a demand to pay money. no thanks.
keep it deep! @zulison
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 23:36:32
April 20 2012 23:35 GMT
#1066
On April 21 2012 08:03 OpticalPhonon wrote:
Has this policy changed?

Yea.. why is this in the calendar at all?
Don't get me wrong I have nothing against MLG doing what they do but seeing them in the calendar is kinda inconsistent no? o_O

EDIT: It seems only day 1 is in the calendar which is the only day with a bit of free stream. I get it now.
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OpticalPhonon
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada72 Posts
April 20 2012 23:51 GMT
#1067
On April 21 2012 08:35 tnud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 08:03 OpticalPhonon wrote:
Has this policy changed?

Yea.. why is this in the calendar at all?
Don't get me wrong I have nothing against MLG doing what they do but seeing them in the calendar is kinda inconsistent no? o_O

EDIT: It seems only day 1 is in the calendar which is the only day with a bit of free stream. I get it now.

The last Arena had a similar free preview. I don't see the difference here.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
April 21 2012 03:49 GMT
#1068
We believe that a PPV-only stream listing is advertising that outweighs the contribution and utility to our calendar. While MLG understood our viewpoint, they disagreed with our decision to charge for PPV stream calendar advertising.

There is no mystery sadly. TL wanted money, and this time they got it.

Nevertheless, we simply cannot treat PPV-only listings the same as events with free options, just as we can't treat Sponsored Threads the same as normal threads.

This line, however, was pure bullshit.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
April 21 2012 04:01 GMT
#1069
On April 21 2012 08:35 tnud wrote:
EDIT: It seems only day 1 is in the calendar which is the only day with a bit of free stream. I get it now.


Quoting so people can read this instead of whining.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 21 2012 04:05 GMT
#1070
On April 21 2012 13:01 Jinsho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 08:35 tnud wrote:
EDIT: It seems only day 1 is in the calendar which is the only day with a bit of free stream. I get it now.


Quoting so people can read this instead of whining.


But it is wrong.

It is on the calendar this time because MLG payed TL whatever the fee was to get it advertised on the website.
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Bidj
Profile Joined September 2010
France98 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 04:10:58
April 21 2012 04:10 GMT
#1071
On April 21 2012 08:07 Mesha wrote:
Paying for content that is free 24 hours a day from top different pros of the world. This is retarded. There should be a low quality FREE stream!


As always, nobody force you to watch. Feel free to not pay for this and go watch the free content elsewhere.


Show nested quote +
Nevertheless, we simply cannot treat PPV-only listings the same as events with free options, just as we can't treat Sponsored Threads the same as normal threads.

This line, however, was pure bullshit.


Nope, you probably didn't understand it.
They don't treat PPV-only listings the same as events with free options, i.e. PPV-only has to pay to be listed while free content is listed for free.

Their policy has not changed, first time MLG refused to pay, so no listing. This time they finally decided to pay, so got listed.

Rooooaaaar
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 16:37:22
April 21 2012 16:17 GMT
#1072
On April 21 2012 13:10 Bidj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 08:07 Mesha wrote:
Paying for content that is free 24 hours a day from top different pros of the world. This is retarded. There should be a low quality FREE stream!


As always, nobody force you to watch. Feel free to not pay for this and go watch the free content elsewhere.


Show nested quote +
Nevertheless, we simply cannot treat PPV-only listings the same as events with free options, just as we can't treat Sponsored Threads the same as normal threads.

This line, however, was pure bullshit.


Nope, you probably didn't understand it.
They don't treat PPV-only listings the same as events with free options, i.e. PPV-only has to pay to be listed while free content is listed for free.

Their policy has not changed, first time MLG refused to pay, so no listing. This time they finally decided to pay, so got listed.


Actually it's you that didn't understand it. Read it again. Especially the part about sponsored threads vs normal threads. Take your time. What you're talking about was covered in the first line I quoted. This line started with "nevertheless" for a reason.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
UmiNotsuki
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States633 Posts
April 21 2012 16:55 GMT
#1073
Very glad to read this, when I was watching the first set of MLG (MKP vs. Parting) I was enjoying it a lot; then when they shut the free stream down I was very disappointed. I don't think the PPV model is acceptable for e-Sports at its current stage and I'm glad TL agrees.

Hopefully they'll return to an SQ free stream.
UmiNotsuki.111 (NA), UNTReborn.932 (EU), UmiNotsuki (iCCup) -- You see that text I wrote above this? I'll betcha $5 that you disagree :D
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
April 22 2012 00:04 GMT
#1074
still no forum response by TL officials. I guess actions speak louder than words.
keep it deep! @zulison
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
April 22 2012 00:11 GMT
#1075
On April 22 2012 09:04 zul wrote:
still no forum response by TL officials. I guess actions speak louder than words.

Actually most of TL is either at MLG or at DH right now... Give them some time, I mean the TL hq building is in NY.
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ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
April 22 2012 00:13 GMT
#1076
when MLG gives them money for ad space in top right portal there policy changes i guess
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resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
April 22 2012 00:22 GMT
#1077
Taking a stand on PPV content is admirable, as the OP said for the last event. Changing your mind is also understandable, this is a business (etc etc).

Not explaining your decision is not.
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MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
April 22 2012 00:23 GMT
#1078
On February 23 2012 12:37 Hot_Bid wrote:
Conclusion

We believe that a PPV-only stream listing is advertising that outweighs the contribution and utility to our calendar. While MLG understood our viewpoint, they disagreed with our decision to charge for PPV stream calendar advertising. Nevertheless, we simply cannot treat PPV-only listings the same as events with free options, just as we can't treat Sponsored Threads the same as normal threads. We hope you understand why the event is not on our calendar, and we apologize in advance for any inconvenience it causes for those paying for and watching the Winter Arena.

We will still cover the event in news because we believe the function of our news section is also to show people something they couldn't or didn't watch, while the function of the calendar is to show something users can watch. We owe it to our users to cover an event with such an elite player pool and production value as MLG. It's arguably even more important for people to read news coverage of this event because some won't even be watching it.

To be clear, we are still in a close and open relationship with MLG, we communicate with their staff daily. In the end, we TL staff are fans too, and some of the best experiences we've had have been watching and attending MLGs. We hope that MLG finds a revenue model that allows them to keep running successful events.



Are you guys all dumb? I bolded the part in the OP.

Obviously MLG bought the the calendar advertisement. I don't see what's so hard to understand, or what is so wrong about it. Why is it a big fuss any ways?
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Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
April 22 2012 00:33 GMT
#1079
On April 22 2012 09:22 resilve wrote:
Taking a stand on PPV content is admirable, as the OP said for the last event. Changing your mind is also understandable, this is a business (etc etc).

Not explaining your decision is not.


Why would they bother responding to people who didn't read/understand the OP?
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
April 22 2012 00:37 GMT
#1080
On April 22 2012 09:22 resilve wrote:
Taking a stand on PPV content is admirable, as the OP said for the last event. Changing your mind is also understandable, this is a business (etc etc).

Not explaining your decision is not.


They probably didn't change their mind. MLG just bought the calendar spot, like TL originally offered them for Winter Arena.
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