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200-100 cost way too much now. At least, raven have some potential... i hope.
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Ipponaku
Canada11 Posts
200-100 cost way too much now. At least, raven have some potential... i hope. | ||
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Megaman_X
United States164 Posts
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:40 SupLilSon wrote: Lol, seriously, this guy is acting like getting detection is a whole build order in and of itself -.- I guess we won't know how these changes stack up until some time has passed but right now it's not looking good, especially for the vast majority of us Terran players who were already having trouble TvZ despite ghosts. Has anyone looked into ghost mech? I know it's been talked about and tossed around but I have never actually seen a pro try to use it. It sounds good to me but is there something I'm missing that prevents that strat from being viable? Now with ghosts nerf is this strat just completely wishful thinking? Look up avilo stream he is experimenting with ghost mech as well, but he always, always, always dies to Broodlord/Infestor/Corruptor - lately hes been using some Ravens probably to better use if I recall correctly.. | ||
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GunHogz
Canada47 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:36 Sovern wrote: Ravens need a seeker missile range buff. There is a upgrade already for Seeker missile, they just need to find a way to make the missile better in the late game. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:38 Roxy wrote: for starters, here's one: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/g4umt.jpg) http://www.twitch.tv/nasltv/b/306996664?t=31m0s That was a bunch of broodlords out of position with not a single infestor nearby. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:36 nvrs wrote: OK, lets for a moment put aside the Snipe change by agreeing that is was pretty much needed blah blah. Why does Blizzard continue to play the fool upon the whole PvT late game thing and please don't tell me there is no issue there as well. Maybe cause they have screwed up majorly and know it's unfixable, but it's definetely a problem that needs some kind of solution, more of the TvZ ghost issue. I mean the ghost may have a bigger role that the one they intended but that's not such a bad thing, at least not accordingly to the current state of the game / metagame. Still they address it immediately but the won't even mention the TvP issue. I gues that cant admit that they have fucked up majorly with the design of Toss :/ We will never see any changes in TvP late game because there is nothing they can do about it without re-design Protoss. They will never do that in WoL and they will probably don't do it in HotS either because they can't, or they are just to proud of the warpgate mechanism and the arsenal of Protoss. | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:38 ImHuko wrote: The phoenix could infinitely kite mutalisks with PERFECT micro, with range buff, you don't even need nearly close to perfect micro to do that now. Instead of giving Protoss an option vs mutalisks, they remove the mutalisk option all-together. Yeah, that 10 minute fleet beacon timing will make mutalisks impossible every game forever. Really? Requiring an upgrade on the fleet beacon for it means that Protoss will still rarely go for it, and when they do, it'll be a late response to mutas, never a pro-active thing. +range on the phoenix doesn't help harass at all really. At most you'd get a couple extra overlords by just barely edging out spore crawlers. It doesn't modify graviton lift at all. | ||
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Doz
United States145 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:04 Fencer710 wrote: Fungal'd units can still fire and use abilities, they just can't move to get in range to do so. The problem is that Ghosts now take dozens of snipes to kill Ultras and Broodlords. You ever see blink stalkers blink once they're fungal'd? Or storms from fungal'd HT's? Or Vikings change form? Answer is no because fungal completing prevents the use of special abilities throughout the duration of the spell. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:40 ReignFayth wrote: they remove the MASS MUTALISKS AND NOTHING ELSE option not the mutalisks option Bingo. A zerg going mutalisks, when confronted with the appropriate response to mutalisks, should have more than one option that is optimal. Right now they have one, which is double down on mutalisks. | ||
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TheWorldToCome
United States452 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:38 ZackAttack wrote: They were so good it was an inside joke between everybody that played SC2. There was even a song about it! : ) | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Snipe change, is another thing I'm not too sure off (as a zerg player). +25 vs psyonic seems very weird and way to "niche", but I like that there is something done about the "snipe is good vs (nearly) everything that zerg has". Mules the same on gold and blue minerals is great, and I don't think it will change too much, but hopefully lead to a comeback of gold minerals in tournaments. | ||
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Bobgrimly
New Zealand250 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:36 Everlong wrote: By plenty of steps to prevent cloaked ghosts you mean like morph single overseer? By morph single overseer I take it you failed to notice GHOSTS CAN SNIPE OVERSEERS AND VIKINGS HAVE STUPID RANGE. You make it sound like zerg has it easy. You obviously have never watched or played in high level games. Overseers do not live long when ghosts are around... or worse... ghosts and vikings. Zerg usually has to morph like 5 if the terran is doing his job just to prevent autoloss. The point is yes the zerg can do some things to win... but the terran also has plenty of tools to use and now just has to rely on something other than MASS SNIPE LULZ. This is called balance. When you can't win with just one unit and the enemy has to use multiple units to counter your counters and vice versa. And if you talk about approaching broodlords then you have never approached a tank line knowing you will lose half your forces just getting to it... before you can do damage. (that is hyperbole but I figured that was how you structure your arguments) Oh and great patch. Not keen on the phoenix but I am zerg. Love the MULE balance. And snipe. | ||
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CabelD
United States131 Posts
and still no name changes. /sigh | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:43 FinestHour wrote: That was a bunch of broodlords out of position with not a single infestor nearby. You said provide a link of a famous player using ravens. He did. You can stop talking now. He went to the effort of answering your question, for you to dismiss it by giving a one-liner about army positioning? The premise of your argument was that Ravens aren't viable because no famous players use them. A famous player used them. Your argument is illogical. If you want to change your premise, go ahead and do that. But don't dismiss someone proving your whole argument false. | ||
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
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ScareCrow`
Canada88 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:41 DocM wrote: Now that we can snipe overseer's easier, Bisu build anyone? Overseers are not psionic. | ||
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roymarthyup
1442 Posts
theres a reason super lategame TvT always devolves into a bunch of HSM's per side and whoever HSM's better wins | ||
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
I agree with the 2 snipes/ bane thing. Madness! | ||
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devPLEASE
Kenya605 Posts
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