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Please DISCUSS the changes and the impact they will have on gameplay.

Straight up whining and bitching will get you a ban, no exceptions.
NeoGeoOdin
Profile Joined October 2011
Colombia140 Posts
February 10 2012 20:38 GMT
#1301
poor terrans, sufring the consecuenses of the K Terrans been so OP

lol
ZackAttack
Profile Joined June 2011
United States884 Posts
February 10 2012 20:38 GMT
#1302
I been playing sc2 since december 2010.. Since then in every patch terran has been nerfed. My question, how good has terran been in start ? :O


They were so good it was an inside joke between everybody that played SC2.
It's better aerodynamics for space. - Artosis
ImHuko
Profile Joined December 2010
United States996 Posts
February 10 2012 20:38 GMT
#1303
The phoenix could infinitely kite mutalisks with PERFECT micro, with range buff, you don't even need nearly close to perfect micro to do that now. Instead of giving Protoss an option vs mutalisks, they remove the mutalisk option all-together.
HypernovA
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada556 Posts
February 10 2012 20:39 GMT
#1304
Well, I hope you guys enjoy playing ZvZ, PvZ, and PvP, cause I have a feeling that a LOT of Terran players will be playing even less.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 10 2012 20:39 GMT
#1305
On February 11 2012 05:37 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 05:35 KawaiiRice wrote:
On February 11 2012 05:31 FinestHour wrote:
On February 11 2012 05:25 mTwTT1 wrote:
On February 11 2012 05:22 Gimix wrote:
On February 11 2012 05:20 mTwTT1 wrote:
On February 11 2012 05:11 zhurai wrote:
On February 11 2012 05:08 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
On February 11 2012 05:01 mTwTT1 wrote:
On February 11 2012 04:58 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
[quote]

dude just do what ppl tell me to do, l2p..


raven + seeker missible is pretty good vs bl's as far as ive seen, just because u never play a certain style that doesnt mean u dont have any viable options available


Not sure if trolling or not, you need 2 upgrades and wait 1min and about 2000 gas for 7-8 ravens with HSM that dont even kill broodlord.

the damage of the seeker missile is "pretty good" if they don't bunch up their units....
but then again... the range of seeker missile is very very very bad


range is irrelevant vs bl's cus they cant run away, ive seen korean t's integrate ravens w/ ss while going mech and bio, i think the problem is just that koreans are ahead in the metagame atm

obviously ghosts wont work as well vs bl's in the lategame anymore and if foreign t's cant adapt themselves to new styles then glhf going mass marines vs bl's


You're really knowledgable on Terran lategame for someone who plays toss


i dl reps(less of this ofc, i only dl reps of famous players) and watch vods of every mu : D


Provide a link of so called famous players using ravens nowadays.

only morrow uses them right now.

Kas used it on his stream the other day, but it seemed to be against an inferior player which he won in the midgame.


TT1 specifically said he has personally seen korean terrans using them. I just want at least one replay so I can at least get an idea of what they do and their mindset. Still waiting.
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Obbalord
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany166 Posts
February 10 2012 20:39 GMT
#1306
On February 11 2012 05:36 Chill wrote:
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On February 11 2012 05:35 Obbalord wrote:
i love how some guys (TT1 for example) say raven hsm is pretty good LOL, show me one present korean pro match where HSM are used / or decide a match. I feel they really have to buff raven now, otherwise tvz is kinda brutal lategame :{.

This isn't justification. Several units in Brood War went 5-6 years before they started seeing real use (hello Arbiter and Defiler).


True, but i just dont see how hsm is worth the cost atm, the biggest problem is the range 6, its like a kamikaze air unit now, if you use hsm the raven will probably die too :/ and 125 energy... come on. Pls give it some love david kim ;]
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
February 10 2012 20:39 GMT
#1307
as kawaii said morrow has been using ravens a lot and he's the only zerg user who plays TvZ so he probably feels ravens are very good against zergs and terrans aren't using them enough

anyway I think you guys should wait until it comes out, people were way overreacting about previous balance patches that ended up being fine
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 20:42:17
February 10 2012 20:40 GMT
#1308
Nothing to address TvP and they made TvZ harder...

=/

Not digging it, but I barely used ghosts TvZ anyway

EDIT: I like that apms back tho
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
BigJoe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States210 Posts
February 10 2012 20:40 GMT
#1309
On February 11 2012 05:37 ScareCrow` wrote:
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On February 11 2012 05:32 BigJoe wrote:
190 snipes to kill 10 ultralisks... i would have been totally fine with a smaller nerf but this just seems a little too harsh to us terran folk. excited to see how the metagame plays out though.


Actually 210. 21 per ultralisk. Time to get out your scroll wheel left click key trick.

Seriously... lol.
I heard Dragon on stream say you cant use that in tournament though. Is that accurate?
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
February 10 2012 20:40 GMT
#1310
On February 11 2012 05:36 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 05:35 Obbalord wrote:
i love how some guys (TT1 for example) say raven hsm is pretty good LOL, show me one present korean pro match where HSM are used / or decide a match. I feel they really have to buff raven now, otherwise tvz is kinda brutal lategame :{.

This isn't justification. Several units in Brood War went 5-6 years before they started seeing real use (hello Arbiter and Defiler).


To be fair, the scene and development/dissemination of information/strategies is wayyyyy different than it used to be.
Popsicler
Profile Joined January 2012
United States40 Posts
February 10 2012 20:40 GMT
#1311
I'm liking what i'm seeing from Blizzard lately. But I agree that the phoenix change will not have a large effect on PvZ
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
February 10 2012 20:40 GMT
#1312
So Terran is getting nerfed and Protoss is getting buffed??????????????! I am truly baffled. Doesn't every Terran pro complain about TvP? werent PvT winrates in Janurary the highest they've ever been, even favored in Korea?
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
February 10 2012 20:40 GMT
#1313
On February 11 2012 05:36 Everlong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 05:34 Bobgrimly wrote:
On February 11 2012 05:28 Everlong wrote:
On February 11 2012 05:24 Bobgrimly wrote:
I really don't get all the terrans in this thread... Wah snipe is nerfed I can't play against zerg because my vikings will be fungaled..... That is singularly the most retarded statement EVER. Snipe is still as it was against infestors. (IT STILL DOES 45 DAMAGE TO INFESTORS)
Now though instead of sniping the broodlords and auto winning you just switch target to the infestors guarding them and SNIPE THE INFESTOR. Now the broodlords have no protection and one viking can beat 50 broodlords (just might take a while)

Seriously anyone qqing about this change is just upset that they can't mass one unit to win. Oh no. Scanning is so hard.


You will be eaten alive, because you don't know what you are talking about and you write like you ate all wisdom there is in sc2..


Cloak ghost... run towards SLOWLY moving broodlords. If you can't see infestors scan... you can now see burrowed and a lot more... find infestors.... queue up snipes... goodbye infestors. They can't fungal ghosts when they get sniped. A zerg would have to see you coming and have taken plenty of steps to prevent that. At the same time vikings can be pot shotting the broodlords and forcing infestors to come to the front. This forces the infestors forward and makes them easy targets for cloaked ghosts.

There is nothing wrong with this scenario. I have seen it happen in many tvz games just with usually ghosts sniping EVERYTHING. Now they can snipe infestors then burn energy to lower broodlord hp if they want. But not quite so stupidly op as it was. Being able to queue up snipe on a unit means the zerg has no time to react. The broodlords just evaporate. At least now you run some risk as a terran from broodlords.


By plenty of steps to prevent cloaked ghosts you mean like morph single overseer?


Lol, seriously, this guy is acting like getting detection is a whole build order in and of itself -.- I guess we won't know how these changes stack up until some time has passed but right now it's not looking good, especially for the vast majority of us Terran players who were already having trouble TvZ despite ghosts. Has anyone looked into ghost mech? I know it's been talked about and tossed around but I have never actually seen a pro try to use it. It sounds good to me but is there something I'm missing that prevents that strat from being viable? Now with ghosts nerf is this strat just completely wishful thinking?
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
February 10 2012 20:40 GMT
#1314
On February 11 2012 05:38 ImHuko wrote:
The phoenix could infinitely kite mutalisks with PERFECT micro, with range buff, you don't even need nearly close to perfect micro to do that now. Instead of giving Protoss an option vs mutalisks, they remove the mutalisk option all-together.

they remove the MASS MUTALISKS AND NOTHING ELSE option

not the mutalisks option
DocM
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States212 Posts
February 10 2012 20:41 GMT
#1315
Now that we can snipe overseer's easier, Bisu build anyone?
-TesteR-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1165 Posts
February 10 2012 20:41 GMT
#1316
On February 11 2012 05:17 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 05:13 shizna wrote:
2 snipes to kill a baneling? i want to scream.

afaik NOTHING IN THE GAME (even during beta phase) was just straight up nerfed by almost 50%... it's so harsh.


btw ultralisks are now a gosu unit in tvz... prepare for terran's to start going pure bio in tvz as well as tvp. because tanks are awful against ultras.

The nerf is actually 67%(10/6). Only other nerf that was this monsterous(and comes to mind) would be the +100% roach supply back in beta.


More monsterous is COMPLETE removal. see kydarian and void speed.
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
February 10 2012 20:41 GMT
#1317
wow, a protoss buff, a zerg buff, two terran nerfs. and bringing apm back. This patch is looking great
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DjRetro
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Chile309 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 20:42:14
February 10 2012 20:41 GMT
#1318
The changes look good in my opinion... although i think sniping against broodlord is going to be kinda weird to see. I hope i'm wrong.

Anyway, it's a great patch.

YAYYYY APM SPAM HAHA.
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RealRook
Profile Joined September 2010
Czech Republic54 Posts
February 10 2012 20:41 GMT
#1319
blizzard is getting their shit together, good maps and good balance changes, me likes
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
February 10 2012 20:42 GMT
#1320
On February 11 2012 05:40 xrapture wrote:
So Terran is getting nerfed and Protoss is getting buffed??????????????! I am truly baffled. Doesn't every Terran pro complain about TvP? werent PvT winrates in Janurary the highest they've ever been, even favored in Korea?



PvT has only been in favor of P for like 1(correct me if im wrong) month. Blizzard usually waits a littttttle before they make major changes. The metagame MIGHT shift in PvT so Blizzard is waiting.
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