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Stephano forfeits ONOG Finals - Page 47
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arfyron
518 Posts
Winner right here. | ||
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Slipspace
United States381 Posts
you guys dont seem to realize that Stephano is the real baller here because not only is he not worried about the money (nice job playing the victim card btw, ONOG. your prize pool wasn't that impressive and i don't care how hard you worked for it), but he admitted the games would have sucked because he was so tired. if you're tired, you're tired. no rule that says you can't forfeit because of how hard the tournament organizers worked to come up with the prize money. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
If I was a tournament organizer, I might think twice about inviting Stephano (or put clauses into his contract forfeiting pay if this occurs). | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 31 2012 11:19 plogamer wrote: Drama aside, this issue highlights the question of players and tournaments accommodating each other. I say both sides are wrong. There clearly was a lack of communication of the boundaries and responsibilities between the parties involved. Asking a professional to perform at 2 am of his time is unreasonable. However, said player should also communicate his timeline/schedule and let the tournament know ahead of time. Earlier in the day Stephano played in and won the SCAN Invitational (beating Grubby in the finals) and as a result requested that ONOG delay his match so he could participate. He knows how long SC2 matches go, if it's beginning to breach when he thought he could play then he should've said that from the beginning. Asking a tournament to delay and then pulling out afterwards is completely unacceptable, imo. I don't agree with forfeiting in a finals no matter what, but to do it after making a request of a tournament is even worse. And the sports analogies seem moot, because ESPORTS is simply not near the level of professionalism of normal sports, but it's past a point of amateurism where people actually play for the enjoyment of the game/competition. I'd just like to point out that last night in DotA 2, an Australian team played a tournament all night long and lost in the grand finals at 8:30 AM their time. The first place prize was a headset, mouse, mouse pad and last generation video card. :| They obviously didn't need to, but I respect them more for it, just like we respect athletes more for playing through injuries and sickness. Outside of a few select players, tournament organizers really have most of the leverage here and I think they did the right thing, and I probably wouldn't invite him to a future event. This drama really is a mess, and Stephano isn't a draw like IdrA or some Koreans. If the prize money continues to be good, they'll still get a ton of good players. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On January 31 2012 11:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Medical reasons unrelated to depression. Apologies to ONOG for not providing any explanation of my absence. That kind of behavior is extremely unprofessional and I regret it. I'll make sure it's the last time. From: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=307685 | ||
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quaffle
United States249 Posts
On January 31 2012 05:45 ohmkerg wrote: wow stephano sounds like a douche User was warned for this post This post was warned? In all honesty, I agree with ohmkerg. Perhaps he was warned because he didn't give a reason why he feels Stephano is a douche, but a negative comment like this is similar to when a user simply posts, "wow stephano is amazing." Thousands of posts are made just like this, none of which I seem to notice getting warned. Freedom to criticize, please. Back on topic: Stephano is completely unprofessional and disrespectful for this action. If I were Deric, I would completely disqualify him from the tournament (given him no position to speak of). And if I were Millenium, I would make sure Stephano understands the seriousness of his actions. For another, Millenium should have someone making sure Stephano does not put himself into a position where he must choose between playing two different tournaments. This is very easily comparable to Naniwa's probe rush incident. However, Stephano actually had something to play for... | ||
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quickclickz
United States81 Posts
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
Put it in perspective, if you want SC2 to make way into the real world of sports actions like these need to be met with punishment, you cannot play favorites simply because he is a good player, I don't understand the amount of people defending him in this thread. Being tired is not an excuse worthy of this immature, unprofessional action. | ||
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Beachman
United States17 Posts
On January 31 2012 06:01 prOxioDin wrote: fuck all you dickheads! stephano can do what he wants, he was tired so fucking deal with it! this is hyped up soo much more than it needs to be.. he got tired.. hes a human, that happens to us all, especially after he just played a very long tournament which he won! I agree with you completely just worded differently, stephano is only human as us all so, give the guy some credit he is still an incredible zerg player. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
On January 31 2012 10:51 NoCatsCradle wrote: I think any tournament willing to invite Idra would be more than willing to invite Stephano. I don't think you understand value of a talented 'heel' for publicity. After all, aren't you Idra's #1 fan? wat. I don't think I have never posted anything about being an Idra fan. Don't care too much about him honestly and I don't think he will win in Code A tonight. Nice try though? | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On January 31 2012 12:24 Beachman wrote: I agree with you completely just worded differently, stephano is only human as us all so, give the guy some credit he is still an incredible zerg player. All I'm saying is don't criticise him for doing something any of us would do. Speak for yourself, most people would not do that at least out of a sense of pride. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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Hodgy
United States64 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On January 31 2012 12:24 Beachman wrote: I agree with you completely just worded differently, stephano is only human as us all so, give the guy some credit he is still an incredible zerg player. All I'm saying is don't criticise him for doing something any of us would do. What? No I would not forfeit a match in the FINALS of a tournament with money on the line. No way. There is no excuse for it don't play if it will potentially "make you tired". I guarantee it most people in this thread if they were in the finals for money (let alone 1k + or whatever) they would not forfeit because they were "tired". On January 31 2012 12:28 Hodgy wrote: I love how Idra does this every other tournament but when someone with some class forfiets, we get this huge thread about how much of a "mistake" this was. He was tired and knew he wouldn't put on a good show. Applaud him. I would hardly say Stephano has Class. Also Idra did it what twice? Group stages of IPL3 and semi finals vs nerchio in a teamliquid open? he was talked to about forfeiting in the teamliquid open even or thats what alex said. I don't know any other times he has though especially in the finals of a tournament. That's hardly every other tournament  | ||
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Dismay
United States1180 Posts
On January 31 2012 10:14 legaton wrote: The more i read this kind of thread, the more i hate the "e-sports" mentality. The quest for legitimacy of "e-sports" is bane of this community, everything is blown out or proportions and everyone has an opinion on the correct code of conduct for players and tournaments organizers. I wish we were more like the fighting community: less money, more fun. Also, 43 pages of beating a dead horse... when we already had 40+ pages on the ONOG thread? Naniwa simply doesn't know how to behave. As a spoiled brat, he thinks he can do whatever he wants on the main stage. He can't. He still doesn't get SC2 is also a business with huge organizations and sponsors. Instead of playing the devil's advocate, people should just realize Naniwa needs to acquire something called manners and good sense. Right now, he's unfit both for a serious gaming organization as for the corporate world. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294713¤tpage=215#4294 | ||
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seiferoth10
3362 Posts
So instead of ONOG1 being about Kas winning, it's about Stephano. What. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On January 31 2012 11:57 Slipspace wrote: to be fair, stephano did say he would play them the next day you guys dont seem to realize that Stephano is the real baller here because not only is he not worried about the money (nice job playing the victim card btw, ONOG. your prize pool wasn't that impressive and i don't care how hard you worked for it), but he admitted the games would have sucked because he was so tired. if you're tired, you're tired. no rule that says you can't forfeit because of how hard the tournament organizers worked to come up with the prize money. Content for the sake of content no matter how low quality or pointless it is. It would've served ONOG much more to be flexible than to stir up drama. If IPL3 can let a whole group forfeit due to scheduling problems I think ONOG could've worked something out. | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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