EPTStephano forfeits ONOG Finals - Page 35
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Leeoku
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disciple
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:47 FaRess wrote: Where did you see him say it's not his fault and that he is not taking responsibility ? What is arrogant about forfeiting because you're exhausted ? You think if he was as successful as you are (not much) he wouldn't forfeit the tournament, how would you know. you absolutely make no sense, you're the little kid expressing his pointless opinion It's arrogant to play in two invite tournaments at the same time resulting in making everybody wait and then forfeiting in the finals. It means you don't give a shit about all these people putting their time and hard work into a succesful esport event.Taking responsibility means finishing what he started because other people would pay for it otherwise. I had a similar situation at Dreamhack when he was out of the group already and cheesed me every game in very stupid ways to finish it as fast as he could, even if it could change the outcome of the group. This kind of attitude is not excusable. | ||
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Dawg_Snow
France425 Posts
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Kloudi
Sweden21 Posts
stay classy TLcommunity | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:51 HardMacro wrote: One thing I do not understand. 34 pages of talks on this incident... why... how... I don't even... This is such a trivial thing about such a bad player (standard is Code S ofc) at such a non-prestigious tournament that even ended with only minor penalties. Why so serious? Hot Bid went over why so serious multiple times. Although I do think each thread needs a "Jump to pro/admin/mod/caster" post button so we can skip the plebian banter and only read the posts of people who have earned their cred. | ||
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human_ko
Russian Federation676 Posts
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6BiT
513 Posts
On January 31 2012 05:51 dsousa wrote: He spent $1350 to go to sleep, I think the kid was tired. He stated to them, immediately after the semi's, that he couldn't stay up any longer. He could have feined illness, or internet dropout.. but he didn't. Only he knows how he felt, and he felt he couldn't play on, even though he was going to probably win $1500. His sin is he over-committed, and was so good he got the the finals of both tournaments. This isn't a problem for anyone else, if he lost occasionally, or lied, he'd be better off. Enjoy Stephano while you got him SC2.... drama and all. fucken this.... some of the shit thrown his way is jokes I must be one of the few who appreciate him being rather honest and not pulling out a piece of bullshit. Considering the outcome wasn't good for anyone. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:53 Dawg_Snow wrote: I don t get why TL opened a thread in community news for a player forfeiting a tournament. Are you guys trying to increase drama and hate toward a player ? Is it what TL is for ? This is ridiculous Looks like Thread should be renamed into : Shit on Stephano thread | ||
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jexxto
United Kingdom284 Posts
MillStephano @MillStephano And the racist coments abut french people is not necessary : ) Racist comments "abut" french people are always necessary!! It's totally understandable why he was relegated to 4th and also why he deciede to forfeit. Nobody was really in the wrong here, shit happens. | ||
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mathsucks
194 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:53 Dawg_Snow wrote: I don t get why TL opened a thread in community news for a player forfeiting a tournament. Are you guys trying to increase drama and hate toward a player ? Is it what TL is for ? This is ridiculous Read back through the pages and you'll understand. | ||
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:50 OzVelas wrote: Cloud said few month ago that stephano and nerchio cheated.. cuz they didnt win offline. Yeah I know, it's the same guy saying all gypsy people should be killed, he has a very educated and smart opinion about everything. And he is clearly showing in his post that it's a personal matter with his conflict with stephano in dreamhack which makes more sense | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:49 dsousa wrote: I'm just pointing out the fact that this happened to Stephano because he's the "IT" guy right now and this post is feeding the mob. ONOG and Zotac daily are different in notability, structure (invites vs open) and scale (prize pool / viewers). I don't buy the "don't feed the mob." If it's a notable topic worthy of discussion (and this clearly qualifies as concrete news), you present facts and that's it. There are plenty of people defending Stephano in this thread as well as those criticizing him. Do people who are saying "Where's the thread about Tyler or Polt" really believe there should be one? Circumstances matter. This was a much more high profile, bigger event than Zotac, and best foreigner in the finals is not ordinary pro in the first round. | ||
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dekarp
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:50 DirtyCash wrote: Clearly the latter. Also please make another thread about Tyler forfeiting his two last matches, making CatZ having to play a real match with a legit chance of losing but giving the 2 others in the group a default win. Seems real fair and professionnal. Wonder why Kennigit didnt talk about this one on his Twittter Didn't know Kennigit's twitter was the official TL twitter. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4733 Posts
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
Well thats why one made "news" and the others didnt. Good point! | ||
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
Fanboys, just stop for a moment and put yourself in the position of the organizer. You have fans, sponsors, stream, all these factors that I'm sure you understand is available only for a finite amount of time. As you know, you conduct yourself as bias-free as you can, whether it's a superstar or a no-names playing. Everyone's time is valuable. When players(who you have an implicit agreement with), fail to uphold their duty, what will the fans think? More importantly, what about your sponsors? What happens when you try to host another tourney in the future? Don't be naive and say "sponsors will be chill" no they won't be. They will remind you of what happened last time, and hold you and your professionalism against it. The sponsors don't care about Stephano, Tyler, or whoever. They care about the event, the viewer count, etc. If the event's value is decreased due to this or that player ditching out, explain to them why they should care to send their advertising dollars your way? Again. If you book a player for X period of time, you have a finite amount of time to begin, and complete, the tournament. You can't just reschedule and change everything around just to please one player. If this impacts Empire, Catz, and others because you bent backwards for Stephano, how do you think Empire/Catz fans feel? How do you think the players feel? What if they simply couldn't accommodate Stephano's request? Then punish them? You guys need to think in terms of an organizer perspective. | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:07 Tppz! wrote: Im sorry for you because you dont understand anything what happened. a. stephano decides to participate in an NA tournament by and for NA barcrafters. This tourny was for NA barcrafters. You know that if you play ina a tourny for NA barcrafters that you wont play at normal EU times. You know that you cant delay the freaking final for 1 day if its only for the live audience which made this tournament possible. b. he was playing at 2 tounraments that day. c. he came late for 45 minutes d. he delayed the tournament even after coming late e. after delaying the tournament twice he thought hit was too late and he wanted to pressure the admins by saying he will forfeit or play another day when the NA barcrafters wont be able to watch at a barcraft cause they are normal ppl that live, work and sleep. no finals would have been a huege upset for all the ppl who donated/worked for this etc f. he made the admins change the rules several times by saying he wouldnt play anymore if they wouldnt do everything he wanted them to do so he uses his power (ppl were only watching because of him) to pressure the admins several times, delayed the tournament for a long time and later said it was too late for him. Any tournament organizer would have been pissed sooo freaking much. He is literally abusing his VIP status for pressuring tourament admins and p*ssing on them even though they do as his majesty pleases. I dont get how you cant be mad at such behaviour. Even though if you dont include other incidents of stephanos history its just not ok for a player to do so. even for a eu player when its 3 AM. Stephano gave the tournament and ultimatum: either postpone the finals, or I forfeit because I cannot play right now. The tournament decided they could not postpone the finals, leaving the only option to have Stephano forfeit. But being in a tournament is like being in a contract. Leaving means that Stephano loses $600, that's his punishment. Now Stephano has accepted his punishment, so why can we not move along exactly? | ||
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mathsucks
194 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:55 Malinor wrote: I really cannot understand how this made the front page. But Stephano handled that very poorly, I agree. Caster moves make the front page....why is everyone in an uproar about this on the front page? Make a successful gaming site and you can pick whatever you want for the front page! | ||
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