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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:24 Zairair wrote: Discussion happens in the heat of the moment, we aren't all savants. But I haven't been proven invalid yet... just creative. Creative would not be the word i'd use but go with it | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
There are real people behind pro-gamer IDs. E: Would you rather see stephano 6 pool in 4 games and go 0-4. No | ||
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halfies
United Kingdom327 Posts
On January 31 2012 05:46 Herculix wrote: actually he sounds like he had an unintended scheduling conflict... he was clearly the favorite to win ONOG, i dont know the line up of the scan invitational so i cant say how obvious it was that he would win. but any tournament he enters, he has a high chance of winning. also, unless he didnt intend to win, then it wasnt unintended | ||
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HarryKlein
Germany220 Posts
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HEROwithNOlegacy
United States850 Posts
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Skelephile
United States64 Posts
On January 31 2012 05:43 Kluey wrote: If we had a governing body in E-Sports he could be punished for this. At this point, I don't think he really cares about the 5 people that have left following him. Also @people making racist comments: Stop, it's not funny or effective. fuck that, we dont need some godlike assholes sitting on some throne making bullshit decisions for everyone else stephano has his priorities straight at least | ||
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
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RoranRock
France294 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Zairair
87 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:26 dAPhREAk wrote: may i suggest you take a breather, think about what you write before you write it and then everyone can have an actual, logical conversation. I find that the best way to construct logical arguments is the brute force it and fix errors along the way. But we can talk about this elsewhere. The rules for forfeiting should be pre-determined in future esports to prevent occurances. (I agree with Chill's earlier post) | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:26 Corsica wrote: 3 AM ... It was 3 Fucking AM in Europe, Stephano was playing whole day, showed some amazing games on Scan Invitational and ONOG. Imagine if you worked whole day, trying to get a raise, and so you work for 12 hours, and then your boss tells you , no fuck you, you worked till 3 AM, and I cant even give you small raise, and now whole office will know and we will hate you...Golden rule people... There are real people behind pro-gamer IDs. And there are real people raising money and going to a barcraft to have a forfeited final match cause one of the players couldn't take responsibility for finishing what he started, without giving a shit about everybody else. This is a major act of disrespect imo. | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:27 HarryKlein wrote: How would the people react if Naniwa did that? Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! or maybe Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light. Total protonic reversal. | ||
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
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watchman
8 Posts
- Bercy's final 1990 tennis tournament Becker-Edberg ; Becker forfeits at 3-3 in the first cause he couldn't run anymore (ankle or something like that) 15000 looking at it live who paid for the final. Would you expect Becker to play anyway and loose 6-3 6-0 because of his wound ? So Becker forfeited and still received thepoints and prize money he earned. There wasn't another final played with the winner of another match played. My point is how can you take the prize money and place of Stephano ? He deserved it by winning his semifinal didn't he ? Because he was so tired he couldn't play anymore; or maybe he could but at his B or C game which wouldn't have been entertaining at all.So this is equivalent to a wound. That's why i don't understand why people don't argue more on the fact that ONOG disranked Stephano ! The only thing the people should be mad of is the way Stephano handled his forfeit: it was disrepectful to the organisers and the fans and all the people waiting for him | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:29 aTnClouD wrote: And there are real people raising money and going to a barcraft to have a forfeited final match cause one of the players couldn't take responsibility for finishing what he started, without giving a shit on everybody else. This is a major act of disrespect imo. Should he die near his computer? | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:28 RoranRock wrote: Americans are so pround of thereself that they can't understand that someone couldn't be interest in there tournament.. you are neither representing french people (based on your country id) or stephano very well.... you come off as a serious dick. he was invited to a tournament for money; he should play it, or he should deny the invite. | ||
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Erucious
Norway393 Posts
Scheduling conflict or not, Stephano made an error in "playing for too long" so that he couldnt stay up to play the finals. Not the fault of ONOG at all for doing what they did; they needed to have a finals and so they had. Next time, tournament should include a clause in the sign up saying: You will forfeit your place/tournament winnings if you cannot show up to your match within reasonable time or are holding up the tournament. | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
He played two tournaments and delayed one of the two to forfeit the finals, the mess is his fault in the first place so he better take responsibility and finish what he started. No need for more spoiled arrogant kids in esports, thanks. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:21 purecarnagge wrote: While I understand ONOGs position of wanting to clarify the situation with Stephano especially after such a lengthy delay in there schedule. I just find it completely odd that nobody wants to mention the other withdrawal from the tournament. That being Liquid Tyler. While I would like to think that Tyler understands being a professional more than most in this industry and his career. I find it rather amusing that your so quick to stick up for him, post multiple times, then offer no reason to the community. The same community that he asks to support him, his site, his team, makes $$ off of through advertising and streaming. First, I never "defended" Tyler's decision to forfeit. I only defended our decision not to make a thread about it. Look through my posts, not once have I defended the actual action. It isn't mentioned here because it shouldn't be. That's the bottom line. This is a thread about something that is worth having a news topic. I've stated why. It is interesting that you read so much bias into my posts when I never once talked about whether I approved or disapproved of his decision to withdraw. Second, I don't know why Tyler forfeited, so I don't have a viewpoint on it. If it was because "he didn't feel like playing" then yes I think it's a bad decision. If it's because his friend is in the hospital, then I think it's justified. Do I believe he should state why? Yeah I do. Again, none of this is relevant to the thread at hand. If it was any other player, Incontrol, Destiny, Sase, anyone in this tournament else I'd still have the same opinion and act the same way. Of course, you wouldn't be accusing me of bias then so I wouldn't have to make this post. Lastly, the thread doesn't defend or state a viewpoint on who was right. It doesn't villainize Stephano or ONOG, and I think it does a good job of aggregating data and presenting responses and facts. It doesn't push a specific interpretation of who was right in this. Liquid has always been cleaner than the rest. They were always the guys that people gravitated towards because they did it better than the other guys, even when they weren't performing, and they always had fun. What does leaving in the 1st round have to do with being a professional. The bottom line is it isn't professional. Not offering an explanation to your supporters isn't either. Does Tyler owe anyone an explanation? No, he doesn't. He doesn't have to do a damn thing. Your posts defending him and saying nothing when 70% of his supporters simply want to know "why?". These are the supporters paying his bills, his teams bills, and making this site one of the best on the internet. Its just an opinion. It's not the most news worthy event but people would like to know. If people want to know then guess what...Thats NEWS!!!!!!!! OMG LIQUID TYLER IS NEWS ON TEAMLIQUID.NET. Again, I am not Tyler. I do not know why he forfeited. Do I want an explanation just like you? Yes, I would like one. What is your point? I didn't defend him, I just don't know why he forfeited. Contrary to you, I actually do think he owes fans and organizers some sort of explanation. I really feel like sometimes people just look really hard for bias when it's not there, I didn't defend Tyler's actions at all in this thread, I just defended our decision not to make a separate thread about him. We'd not make a thread if it was a player of Tyler's stature and caliber even if he was not on Liquid so I don't see the bias. | ||
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Auren
United States82 Posts
His point was more along the lines of, don't enter the tournament in the first place if it's going to run at an inconvenient time for you rather than pro gamer = a monkey to dance for our enjoyment until he dies. | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On January 31 2012 08:30 Swiv wrote: Nulla poena sine lege stricta. Taking away the 2nd place money is just NOT justified. what the fuck did you just say anyway, yeah i kind of agree. like, he coulda just 6pooled 4x. that would've been more "disrespectful" | ||
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